Re: [MBZ] OT external HDs ?? + bit of benz content.
Thanks Craig, Phillip, and Dave. Gerry From: Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.net On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 18:47:26 -0500 Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: rsync is a command line tool. Sorry if I didn't make that clear. And in case you want a script to run it, here's one I use. Craig --- cut here - #!/bin/sh # # rsp # # A script to synchronize my files in and below the present working # directory between burger.lanl.gov and fries.lanl.gov. # # 20 Jan 2004 Craig McCluskey # 21 Jan 2004 Craig McCluskey # - Corrected description. # 08 Mar 2004 Craig McCluskey # - Removed $EXCLUDE from rsync commands and added # descriptions. 10 Jul 2004 Craig McCluskey # - added test for running in home directory. # 12 Jul 2005 Craig McCluskey # - changed for use behind N-2's firewall. # 21 Jul 2005 Craig McCluskey # - changed formatting of question. # 31 May 2007 Craig McCluskey # - Changed rsync's -L option to -l to copy symlinks as # symlinks. 10 Sep 2007 Craig McCluskey # - Added v option to option list for dry run command # this seems to be required by the version of rsync in # FC7. 30 Jul 2008 Craig McCluskey # - Changed directory from /home/cwmccluskey to /home/craig. # 30 Dec 2008 Craig McCluskey # - Condensed rsync's options. # 06 Jan 2009 Craig McCluskey # - Changed for use on LANL yellow network instead of N-2 # network. 10 Oct 2009 Craig McCluskey # - Corrected test for dry run. # 31 Mar 2010 Craig McCluskey # - Added delete. # 05 Apr 2010 Craig McCluskey # - Corrected delete in rsync statements (removed double # quotes). 06 Apr 2010 Craig McCluskey # - Added tiny.lanl.gov to hostname test. # HOSTNAME=`hostname` if test $HOSTNAME = burger.lanl.gov -o $HOSTNAME = tiny.lanl.gov then DESTNAME=fries.lanl.gov else DESTNAME=burger.lanl.gov fi PWD=`pwd` if test $PWD = /home/craig then echo echo This script must not be run in your home directory! echo exit 1 fi echo echo Synchronize files in $PWD echo on $DESTNAME with those echo -non $HOSTNAME? y/return read Sync if test $Sync = y then echo echo -n Delete on destination disk? y/return read Del echo echo -n Dry run? y/return read Dry if test $Del = y then Delete=--delete else Delete= fi echo if test $Dry != then rsync -auznv $Delete -e ssh . $DESTNAME:$PWD # Dry run. else rsync -auz $Delete -e ssh . $DESTNAME:$PWD# Transfer files. fi echo echo Done! echo else echo echo Files NOT synchronized! echo fi ___ You still need to make periodic point-in-time backups and archive them. If you do not detect data corruption until after you sync the images (very likely), you will replicate the bad data and destroy the good data on the mirror. -Dave Walton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT external HDs ?? + bit of benz content.
archer wrote: I would like to mirror the hds in the two computers. When something is added to the Apple hd it will also be added to the windows hd. When something is added to the windows hd it will also be added to the Apple hd; i.e. each computer will be the backup for the other; just like in a server with mirrored hds. If one hd self destructs all the data will be on the other hd. The idea is to avoid having an external drive, cables, etc. Ahh! I would then use rsync. It's a linux/bsd secure network copy/update/synchronize tool. It is probably already on the Mac (at least it is on my 10.2). Set it to run every few minutes and keep the two drives identical. The only gotcha would be if the clock gets way off on one or the other or you make changes to the same file on both between sync events. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT external HDs ?? + bit of benz content.
archer wrote: I would like to mirror the hds in the two computers. When something is added to the Apple hd it will also be added to the windows hd. When something is added to the windows hd it will also be added to the Apple hd; i.e. each computer will be the backup for the other; just like in a server with mirrored hds. If one hd self destructs all the data will be on the other hd. The idea is to avoid having an external drive, cables, etc. Ahh! I would then use rsync. It's a linux/bsd secure network copy/update/synchronize tool. It is probably already on the Mac (at least it is on my 10.2). Set it to run every few minutes and keep the two drives identical. The only gotcha would be if the clock gets way off on one or the other or you make changes to the same file on both between sync events. -- Philip ___ That's the sort of setup I'm looking for. Rsync is not under applications or library and search couldn't find it, so maybe it will have to be imported unless I didn't know where to look on the Macbook.I'm running OSX 10.5.6 and have OSX 10.6 Snow Leopard on disc which hasn't been installed yet. I have Ubuntu 9.04 and earlier, Mandrake 10.99, Mepis 6.5, Knoppix 5.0, Slax 5.1.8.1, and Redhat Linux 7 for possible places to look, I suppose. Thanks, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT external HDs ?? + bit of benz content.
Why not use Apple's Time Machine and an Apple Time Capsule? Keeps a backup of data automatically wirelessly. You could even use Mobile Me send some of your data to the cloud for remote backup. Rsync could work for keeping two computers in sync as suggested. -Original Message- From: archer arche...@embarqmail.com Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 05:02:06 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT external HDs ?? + bit of benz content. archer wrote: I would like to mirror the hds in the two computers. When something is added to the Apple hd it will also be added to the windows hd. When something is added to the windows hd it will also be added to the Apple hd; i.e. each computer will be the backup for the other; just like in a server with mirrored hds. If one hd self destructs all the data will be on the other hd. The idea is to avoid having an external drive, cables, etc. Ahh! I would then use rsync. It's a linux/bsd secure network copy/update/synchronize tool. It is probably already on the Mac (at least it is on my 10.2). Set it to run every few minutes and keep the two drives identical. The only gotcha would be if the clock gets way off on one or the other or you make changes to the same file on both between sync events. -- Philip ___ That's the sort of setup I'm looking for. Rsync is not under applications or library and search couldn't find it, so maybe it will have to be imported unless I didn't know where to look on the Macbook.I'm running OSX 10.5.6 and have OSX 10.6 Snow Leopard on disc which hasn't been installed yet. I have Ubuntu 9.04 and earlier, Mandrake 10.99, Mepis 6.5, Knoppix 5.0, Slax 5.1.8.1, and Redhat Linux 7 for possible places to look, I suppose. Thanks, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT external HDs ?? + bit of benz content.
From: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com Why not use Apple's Time Machine and an Apple Time Capsule? Keeps a backup of data automatically wirelessly. G: That's an idea. Would remove some cable clutter as well as a standalone router, if I understand correctly. You could even use Mobile Me send some of your data to the cloud for remote backup. Rsync could work for keeping two computers in sync as suggested. G: Will have to read up on Mobile Me which seems to be different than ordinary cloud storage. Thanks, Gerry - archer wrote: I would like to mirror the hds in the two computers. When something is added to the Apple hd it will also be added to the windows hd. When something is added to the windows hd it will also be added to the Apple hd; i.e. each computer will be the backup for the other; just like in a server with mirrored hds. If one hd self destructs all the data will be on the other hd. The idea is to avoid having an external drive, cables, etc. Ahh! I would then use rsync. It's a linux/bsd secure network copy/update/synchronize tool. It is probably already on the Mac (at least it is on my 10.2). Set it to run every few minutes and keep the two drives identical. The only gotcha would be if the clock gets way off on one or the other or you make changes to the same file on both between sync events. -- Philip ___ That's the sort of setup I'm looking for. Rsync is not under applications or library and search couldn't find it, so maybe it will have to be imported unless I didn't know where to look on the Macbook.I'm running OSX 10.5.6 and have OSX 10.6 Snow Leopard on disc which hasn't been installed yet. I have Ubuntu 9.04 and earlier, Mandrake 10.99, Mepis 6.5, Knoppix 5.0, Slax 5.1.8.1, and Redhat Linux 7 for possible places to look, I suppose. Thanks, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2965 - Release Date: 06/26/10 14:35:00 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT external HDs ?? + bit of benz content.
I would discourage anyone from using the cloud (Mobile Me) for backups, as your space is limited and bandwidth is going to be an issue, especially if you have a big backup. I have been a .mac/Mobile Me user for years, but primarily for the synchronization tools and ability to easily post stuff to the Web rather than use an FTP server. If you shop eBay you can find subscriptions for far less than the $99/year Apple charges. I think I have been averaging about $50-$60/year for mine for some time. I work across a couple of machines, and the ability to keep everything sync'ed between them is a real benefit. And the Web interface of MM also allows me to check all my mail and calendars anywhere I have Web access, even if it's not with my computer. Apple has finally released a lot of the back end stuff for their synchronization utilities (CalDAV) which I have been studying so I can set up my own CalDAV server and possibly dump Mobile Me. That would mean I would have to relinquish my .mac account, which I'm not sure I want to do, since you can't get them any more. Dan --- On Sun, 6/27/10, archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: From: archer arche...@embarqmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT external HDs ?? + bit of benz content. To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Sunday, June 27, 2010, 8:49 AM From: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com Why not use Apple's Time Machine and an Apple Time Capsule? Keeps a backup of data automatically wirelessly. G: That's an idea. Would remove some cable clutter as well as a standalone router, if I understand correctly. You could even use Mobile Me send some of your data to the cloud for remote backup. Rsync could work for keeping two computers in sync as suggested. G: Will have to read up on Mobile Me which seems to be different than ordinary cloud storage. Thanks, Gerry - archer wrote: I would like to mirror the hds in the two computers. When something is added to the Apple hd it will also be added to the windows hd. When something is added to the windows hd it will also be added to the Apple hd; i.e. each computer will be the backup for the other; just like in a server with mirrored hds. If one hd self destructs all the data will be on the other hd. The idea is to avoid having an external drive, cables, etc. Ahh! I would then use rsync. It's a linux/bsd secure network copy/update/synchronize tool. It is probably already on the Mac (at least it is on my 10.2). Set it to run every few minutes and keep the two drives identical. The only gotcha would be if the clock gets way off on one or the other or you make changes to the same file on both between sync events. -- Philip ___ That's the sort of setup I'm looking for. Rsync is not under applications or library and search couldn't find it, so maybe it will have to be imported unless I didn't know where to look on the Macbook. I'm running OSX 10.5.6 and have OSX 10.6 Snow Leopard on disc which hasn't been installed yet. I have Ubuntu 9.04 and earlier, Mandrake 10.99, Mepis 6.5, Knoppix 5.0, Slax 5.1.8.1, and Redhat Linux 7 for possible places to look, I suppose. Thanks, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2965 - Release Date: 06/26/10 14:35:00 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT external HDs ?? + bit of benz content.
It can be a good tool for small datasets or what you described. -Original Message- From: LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 09:10:55 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT external HDs ?? + bit of benz content. I would discourage anyone from using the cloud (Mobile Me) for backups, as your space is limited and bandwidth is going to be an issue, especially if you have a big backup. I have been a .mac/Mobile Me user for years, but primarily for the synchronization tools and ability to easily post stuff to the Web rather than use an FTP server. If you shop eBay you can find subscriptions for far less than the $99/year Apple charges. I think I have been averaging about $50-$60/year for mine for some time. I work across a couple of machines, and the ability to keep everything sync'ed between them is a real benefit. And the Web interface of MM also allows me to check all my mail and calendars anywhere I have Web access, even if it's not with my computer. Apple has finally released a lot of the back end stuff for their synchronization utilities (CalDAV) which I have been studying so I can set up my own CalDAV server and possibly dump Mobile Me. That would mean I would have to relinquish my .mac account, which I'm not sure I want to do, since you can't get them any more. Dan --- On Sun, 6/27/10, archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: From: archer arche...@embarqmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT external HDs ?? + bit of benz content. To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Sunday, June 27, 2010, 8:49 AM From: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com Why not use Apple's Time Machine and an Apple Time Capsule? Keeps a backup of data automatically wirelessly. G: That's an idea. Would remove some cable clutter as well as a standalone router, if I understand correctly. You could even use Mobile Me send some of your data to the cloud for remote backup. Rsync could work for keeping two computers in sync as suggested. G: Will have to read up on Mobile Me which seems to be different than ordinary cloud storage. Thanks, Gerry - archer wrote: I would like to mirror the hds in the two computers. When something is added to the Apple hd it will also be added to the windows hd. When something is added to the windows hd it will also be added to the Apple hd; i.e. each computer will be the backup for the other; just like in a server with mirrored hds. If one hd self destructs all the data will be on the other hd. The idea is to avoid having an external drive, cables, etc. Ahh! I would then use rsync. It's a linux/bsd secure network copy/update/synchronize tool. It is probably already on the Mac (at least it is on my 10.2). Set it to run every few minutes and keep the two drives identical. The only gotcha would be if the clock gets way off on one or the other or you make changes to the same file on both between sync events. -- Philip ___ That's the sort of setup I'm looking for. Rsync is not under applications or library and search couldn't find it, so maybe it will have to be imported unless I didn't know where to look on the Macbook. I'm running OSX 10.5.6 and have OSX 10.6 Snow Leopard on disc which hasn't been installed yet. I have Ubuntu 9.04 and earlier, Mandrake 10.99, Mepis 6.5, Knoppix 5.0, Slax 5.1.8.1, and Redhat Linux 7 for possible places to look, I suppose. Thanks, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2965 - Release Date: 06/26/10 14:35:00 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo
Re: [MBZ] OT external HDs ?? + bit of benz content.
OS x plays well with hardware that approximates that used in a Mac. The more off standard you go, the less likely it will install and run as it should. Large community of hackers out there making all the odd hardware more compatible. I am running 10.5.8 on a dell tower. Many work around solutions to get fully performance. Clay On Jun 26, 2010, at 5:50 AM, archer wrote: archer wrote: I have a fairly new Macbook running OSX Snow Leopard and a PC running XP. Is there any way they can mirror each other? rant mode Apple made the original PC. PC = Personal Computer. As opposed to a main frame or server. And now the hardware isn't even really that different. So a new PC could be running Microsoft Windows, OSX, Linux, or BSD. /rant mode G: Last I heard some time ago, Apple OS's didn't work too well on a non-Apple PC. Maybe that's changed. Mirror... So you want the same data available to both computers? G: Yes. Identical data on both hds. OSX runs samba, which is better for MS Windows network sharing than MS Windows. Set it up so a directory (folder) on your OSX computer is shared via samba. Set up the WinXP with map network drive to make that OSX shared folder show up as S:, or whatever. Or are you wanting an external drive to be able to move between the two computers and both access the same data? G: No. Want to avoid having external drive. Or do you mean something else? I think the best option is to run a virtual machine with OSX as the host and Win XP as the guest. Do what you must in MS Win, but all the rest of what needs to be done on a computer can be outside of MS world. --Philip ___ I would like to mirror the hds in the two computers. When something is added to the Apple hd it will also be added to the windows hd. When something is added to the windows hd it will also be added to the Apple hd; i.e. each computer will be the backup for the other; just like in a server with mirrored hds. If one hd self destructs all the data will be on the other hd. The idea is to avoid having an external drive, cables, etc. Gerry '83 300D and 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT external HDs ?? + bit of benz content.
A hackintosh 10.5.8 on a dell tower? Does it work well? Gerry From: redghost redgh...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT external HDs ?? + bit of benz content. OS x plays well with hardware that approximates that used in a Mac. The more off standard you go, the less likely it will install and run as it should. Large community of hackers out there making all the odd hardware more compatible. I am running 10.5.8 on a dell tower. Many work around solutions to get fully performance. Clay On Jun 26, 2010, at 5:50 AM, archer wrote: archer wrote: I have a fairly new Macbook running OSX Snow Leopard and a PC running XP. Is there any way they can mirror each other? rant mode Apple made the original PC. PC = Personal Computer. As opposed to a main frame or server. And now the hardware isn't even really that different. So a new PC could be running Microsoft Windows, OSX, Linux, or BSD. /rant mode G: Last I heard some time ago, Apple OS's didn't work too well on a non-Apple PC. Maybe that's changed. Mirror... So you want the same data available to both computers? G: Yes. Identical data on both hds. OSX runs samba, which is better for MS Windows network sharing than MS Windows. Set it up so a directory (folder) on your OSX computer is shared via samba. Set up the WinXP with map network drive to make that OSX shared folder show up as S:, or whatever. Or are you wanting an external drive to be able to move between the two computers and both access the same data? G: No. Want to avoid having external drive. Or do you mean something else? I think the best option is to run a virtual machine with OSX as the host and Win XP as the guest. Do what you must in MS Win, but all the rest of what needs to be done on a computer can be outside of MS world. --Philip ___ I would like to mirror the hds in the two computers. When something is added to the Apple hd it will also be added to the windows hd. When something is added to the windows hd it will also be added to the Apple hd; i.e. each computer will be the backup for the other; just like in a server with mirrored hds. If one hd self destructs all the data will be on the other hd. The idea is to avoid having an external drive, cables, etc. Gerry '83 300D and 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2967 - Release Date: 06/27/10 14:35:00 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT external HDs ?? + bit of benz content.
archer wrote: I would like to mirror the hds in the two computers. When something is added to the Apple hd it will also be added to the windows hd. When something is added to the windows hd it will also be added to the Apple hd; i.e. each computer will be the backup for the other; just like in a server with mirrored hds. If one hd self destructs all the data will be on the other hd. The idea is to avoid having an external drive, cables, etc. Philip wrote: I would then use rsync. It's a linux/bsd secure network copy/update/synchronize tool. It is probably already on the Mac (at least it is on my 10.2). Set it to run every few minutes and keep the two drives identical. The only gotcha would be if the clock gets way off on one or the other or you make changes to the same file on both between sync events. archer wrote: That's the sort of setup I'm looking for. Rsync is not under applications or library and search couldn't find it, so maybe it will have to be imported unless I didn't know where to look on the Macbook.I'm running OSX 10.5.6 and have OSX 10.6 Snow Leopard on disc which hasn't been installed yet. I have Ubuntu 9.04 and earlier, Mandrake 10.99, Mepis 6.5, Knoppix 5.0, Slax 5.1.8.1, and Redhat Linux 7 for possible places to look, I suppose. Thanks, Gerry rsync is a command line tool. Sorry if I didn't make that clear. http://www.cubinlab.ee.unimelb.edu.au/~jrid/rsync.php http://justinsomnia.org/2007/02/how-to-regularly-backup-windows-xp-to-ubuntu-using-rsync/ rsync for MS Win http://www.itefix.no/i2/node/10650 http://sourceforge.net/projects/sereds/files/ -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT external HDs ?? + bit of benz content.
On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 18:47:26 -0500 Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: rsync is a command line tool. Sorry if I didn't make that clear. And in case you want a script to run it, here's one I use. Craig --- cut here - #!/bin/sh # # rsp # # A script to synchronize my files in and below the present working # directory between burger.lanl.gov and fries.lanl.gov. # # 20 Jan 2004 Craig McCluskey # 21 Jan 2004 Craig McCluskey # - Corrected description. # 08 Mar 2004 Craig McCluskey # - Removed $EXCLUDE from rsync commands and added # descriptions. 10 Jul 2004 Craig McCluskey # - added test for running in home directory. # 12 Jul 2005 Craig McCluskey # - changed for use behind N-2's firewall. # 21 Jul 2005 Craig McCluskey # - changed formatting of question. # 31 May 2007 Craig McCluskey # - Changed rsync's -L option to -l to copy symlinks as # symlinks. 10 Sep 2007 Craig McCluskey # - Added v option to option list for dry run command # this seems to be required by the version of rsync in # FC7. 30 Jul 2008 Craig McCluskey # - Changed directory from /home/cwmccluskey to /home/craig. # 30 Dec 2008 Craig McCluskey # - Condensed rsync's options. # 06 Jan 2009 Craig McCluskey # - Changed for use on LANL yellow network instead of N-2 # network. 10 Oct 2009Craig McCluskey # - Corrected test for dry run. # 31 Mar 2010 Craig McCluskey # - Added delete. # 05 Apr 2010 Craig McCluskey # - Corrected delete in rsync statements (removed double # quotes). 06 Apr 2010Craig McCluskey # - Added tiny.lanl.gov to hostname test. # HOSTNAME=`hostname` if test $HOSTNAME = burger.lanl.gov -o $HOSTNAME = tiny.lanl.gov then DESTNAME=fries.lanl.gov else DESTNAME=burger.lanl.gov fi PWD=`pwd` if test $PWD = /home/craig then echo echo This script must not be run in your home directory! echo exit 1 fi echo echo Synchronize files in $PWD echo on $DESTNAME with those echo -non $HOSTNAME? y/return read Sync if test $Sync = y then echo echo -n Delete on destination disk? y/return read Del echo echo -n Dry run? y/return read Dry if test $Del = y then Delete=--delete else Delete= fi echo if test $Dry != then rsync -auznv $Delete -e ssh . $DESTNAME:$PWD # Dry run. else rsync -auz $Delete -e ssh . $DESTNAME:$PWD# Transfer files. fi echo echo Done! echo else echo echo Files NOT synchronized! echo fi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You still need to make periodic point-in-time backups and archive them. If you do not detect data corruption until after you sync the images (very likely), you will replicate the bad data and destroy the good data on the mirror. -Dave Walton On Jun 27, 2010, at 7:47 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: archer wrote: I would like to mirror the hds in the two computers. When something is added to the Apple hd it will also be added to the windows hd. When something is added to the windows hd it will also be added to the Apple hd; i.e. each computer will be the backup for the other; just like in a server with mirrored hds. If one hd self destructs all the data will be on the other hd. The idea is to avoid having an external drive, cables, etc. Philip wrote: I would then use rsync. It's a linux/bsd secure network copy/update/synchronize tool. It is probably already on the Mac (at least it is on my 10.2). Set it to run every few minutes and keep the two drives identical. The only gotcha would be if the clock gets way off on one or the other or you make changes to the same file on both between sync events. archer wrote: That's the sort of setup I'm looking for. Rsync is not under applications or library and search couldn't find it, so maybe it will have to be imported unless I didn't know where to look on the Macbook.I'm running OSX 10.5.6 and have OSX 10.6 Snow Leopard on disc which hasn't been installed yet. I have Ubuntu 9.04 and earlier, Mandrake 10.99, Mepis 6.5, Knoppix 5.0, Slax 5.1.8.1, and Redhat Linux 7 for possible places to look, I suppose. Thanks, Gerry rsync is a command line tool. Sorry if I didn't make that clear. http://www.cubinlab.ee.unimelb.edu.au/~jrid/rsync.php http://justinsomnia.org/2007/02/how-to-regularly-backup-windows-xp-to-ubuntu-using-rsync/ rsync for MS Win http://www.itefix.no/i2/node/10650 http://sourceforge.net/projects/sereds/files/ -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Surprisingly well. Using SATA drives, a DVD burner, NVidia PCIe, all of it off the shelf. Onboard sound works, but the enet and video are DOA. Using USB 802.11n to hook to the Airport Extreme. Dual Monitor off the video card. Hardware is only an issue doing the install of OSX. I have not been able to get Snow Leopard to behave on it yet. All System Updates load as if on a Mac Pro. All software sees it as a Mac. Using the Dell, you can dual boot into either winblows or OS X. I did not, but one could set up a disk for each OS.There is onboard RAID, but I am not using it. Clay On Jun 27, 2010, at 3:30 PM, archer wrote: A hackintosh 10.5.8 on a dell tower? Does it work well? Gerry From: redghost redgh...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT external HDs ?? + bit of benz content. OS x plays well with hardware that approximates that used in a Mac. The more off standard you go, the less likely it will install and run as it should. Large community of hackers out there making all the odd hardware more compatible. I am running 10.5.8 on a dell tower. Many work around solutions to get fully performance. Clay On Jun 26, 2010, at 5:50 AM, archer wrote: archer wrote: I have a fairly new Macbook running OSX Snow Leopard and a PC running XP. Is there any way they can mirror each other? rant mode Apple made the original PC. PC = Personal Computer. As opposed to a main frame or server. And now the hardware isn't even really that different. So a new PC could be running Microsoft Windows, OSX, Linux, or BSD. /rant mode G: Last I heard some time ago, Apple OS's didn't work too well on a non-Apple PC. Maybe that's changed. Mirror... So you want the same data available to both computers? G: Yes. Identical data on both hds. OSX runs samba, which is better for MS Windows network sharing than MS Windows. Set it up so a directory (folder) on your OSX computer is shared via samba. Set up the WinXP with map network drive to make that OSX shared folder show up as S:, or whatever. Or are you wanting an external drive to be able to move between the two computers and both access the same data? G: No. Want to avoid having external drive. Or do you mean something else? I think the best option is to run a virtual machine with OSX as the host and Win XP as the guest. Do what you must in MS Win, but all the rest of what needs to be done on a computer can be outside of MS world. --Philip ___ I would like to mirror the hds in the two computers. When something is added to the Apple hd it will also be added to the windows hd. When something is added to the windows hd it will also be added to the Apple hd; i.e. each computer will be the backup for the other; just like in a server with mirrored hds. If one hd self destructs all the data will be on the other hd. The idea is to avoid having an external drive, cables, etc. Gerry '83 300D and 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2967 - Release Date: 06/27/10 14:35:00 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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And vista can do NFS... -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jun 26, 2010, at 0:26, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: archer wrote: I have a fairly new Macbook running OSX Snow Leopard and a PC running XP. Is there any way they can mirror each other? rant mode Apple made the original PC. PC = Personal Computer. As opposed to a main frame or server. And now the hardware isn't even really that different. So a new PC could be running Microsoft Windows, OSX, Linux, or BSD. /rant mode Mirror... So you want the same data available to both computers? OSX runs samba, which is better for MS Windows network sharing than MS Windows. Set it up so a directory (folder) on your OSX computer is shared via samba. Set up the WinXP with map network drive to make that OSX shared folder show up as S:, or whatever. Or are you wanting an external drive to be able to move between the two computers and both access the same data? Or do you mean something else? I think the best option is to run a virtual machine with OSX as the host and Win XP as the guest. Do what you must in MS Win, but all the rest of what needs to be done on a computer can be outside of MS world. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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John Reames wrote: And vista can do NFS... Does XP have any problems with NTFS? I formated a drive (with Linux) in NTFS, and when I record TV in WinXP the recording stops at around 4GB. I never knew if it was a shortcoming of the OS or the PCTV software. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Probably a limitation of the software. NTFS is the native file system for winders 2000, XP and all later M$ OS. I don't know of anything within NTFS that would limit the file size, unless a policy is set to limit user file space, but that should limit the overall file space, not per file allocation. John Reames wrote: And vista can do NFS... Does XP have any problems with NTFS? I formated a drive (with Linux) in NTFS, and when I record TV in WinXP the recording stops at around 4GB. I never knew if it was a shortcoming of the OS or the PCTV software. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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- Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT external HDs ?? + bit of benz content. archer wrote: I have a fairly new Macbook running OSX Snow Leopard and a PC running XP. Is there any way they can mirror each other? Thanks, Gerry Hmmm network them and them map a backup to a network virtual drive on the other computer? ___ Thanks, Mitch, I'll try it. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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archer wrote: I have a fairly new Macbook running OSX Snow Leopard and a PC running XP. Is there any way they can mirror each other? rant mode Apple made the original PC. PC = Personal Computer. As opposed to a main frame or server. And now the hardware isn't even really that different. So a new PC could be running Microsoft Windows, OSX, Linux, or BSD. /rant mode G: Last I heard some time ago, Apple OS's didn't work too well on a non-Apple PC. Maybe that's changed. Mirror... So you want the same data available to both computers? G: Yes. Identical data on both hds. OSX runs samba, which is better for MS Windows network sharing than MS Windows. Set it up so a directory (folder) on your OSX computer is shared via samba. Set up the WinXP with map network drive to make that OSX shared folder show up as S:, or whatever. Or are you wanting an external drive to be able to move between the two computers and both access the same data? G: No. Want to avoid having external drive. Or do you mean something else? I think the best option is to run a virtual machine with OSX as the host and Win XP as the guest. Do what you must in MS Win, but all the rest of what needs to be done on a computer can be outside of MS world. --Philip ___ I would like to mirror the hds in the two computers. When something is added to the Apple hd it will also be added to the windows hd. When something is added to the windows hd it will also be added to the Apple hd; i.e. each computer will be the backup for the other; just like in a server with mirrored hds. If one hd self destructs all the data will be on the other hd. The idea is to avoid having an external drive, cables, etc. Gerry '83 300D and 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 09:06:01 -0400 Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: John Reames wrote: And vista can do NFS... Does XP have any problems with NTFS? I formated a drive (with Linux) in NTFS, and when I record TV in WinXP the recording stops at around 4GB. I never knew if it was a shortcoming of the OS or the PCTV software. I'm confused with what you're saying. NTFS is WinXP's preferred disk file system. ext2/3 is Linux's most popular choice, though in recent years it can also handle NTFS as well as reiser and a host of others. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Gerry, I think you'll be hard pressed to fid a way to do this as you describe, without a lot of tinkering on the back ends of both OS'. The simplest way, IMHO, is to go with NAS (network attached storage) such as a RAID or Drobo and just have separate partitions set up for each OS. To mirror each machine at that point would be pretty simple. Your reference to mirroring I suspect is relative to a RAID array, which would have to be unique for each OS, I believe. Keep in mind that the only real redundant RAID setup is level 5 or above. Levels 0, 1 and 2 won't give you the integrity you require. You're talking about a fairly substantial undertaking, even with the price of storage these days. Why exactly are you wanting to do this? Maybe I missed this part of the thread, but I don't recall anyone asking. If it's just to maintain data integrity and/or backups, you're overthinking this big time. If data integrity/redundancy is all you're looking for, just buy a couple of NAS boxes that are set up for RAID 5. Unless your PC has room for at least three drives, you're SOL there. A Mac Pro is the only Apple machine that could do this. Tell us more Dan --- On Sat, 6/26/10, archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: ___ I would like to mirror the hds in the two computers. When something is added to the Apple hd it will also be added to the windows hd. When something is added to the windows hd it will also be added to the Apple hd; i.e. each computer will be the backup for the other; just like in a server with mirrored hds. If one hd self destructs all the data will be on the other hd. The idea is to avoid having an external drive, cables, etc. Gerry '83 300D and 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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RAID 1 is mirroring (redundant) I've got about 5TB of disk space attached to my Mac for music, movies, etc. Currently I have 2x1.5TB drives striped into one logical drive of 3TB using Apple's Software RAID and a 2TB drive. I have a second set of disks I keep for off-site backup. Disk failure is just one way to lose data. Fire, theft, etc. are some other ways! Regards, Brian Toscano -Original Message- From: LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 08:19:26 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT external HDs ?? + bit of benz content. Gerry, I think you'll be hard pressed to fid a way to do this as you describe, without a lot of tinkering on the back ends of both OS'. The simplest way, IMHO, is to go with NAS (network attached storage) such as a RAID or Drobo and just have separate partitions set up for each OS. To mirror each machine at that point would be pretty simple. Your reference to mirroring I suspect is relative to a RAID array, which would have to be unique for each OS, I believe. Keep in mind that the only real redundant RAID setup is level 5 or above. Levels 0, 1 and 2 won't give you the integrity you require. You're talking about a fairly substantial undertaking, even with the price of storage these days. Why exactly are you wanting to do this? Maybe I missed this part of the thread, but I don't recall anyone asking. If it's just to maintain data integrity and/or backups, you're overthinking this big time. If data integrity/redundancy is all you're looking for, just buy a couple of NAS boxes that are set up for RAID 5. Unless your PC has room for at least three drives, you're SOL there. A Mac Pro is the only Apple machine that could do this. Tell us more Dan --- On Sat, 6/26/10, archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: ___ I would like to mirror the hds in the two computers. When something is added to the Apple hd it will also be added to the windows hd. When something is added to the windows hd it will also be added to the Apple hd; i.e. each computer will be the backup for the other; just like in a server with mirrored hds. If one hd self destructs all the data will be on the other hd. The idea is to avoid having an external drive, cables, etc. Gerry '83 300D and 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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As a newby to Macbooks, thought I'd ask if there was a simple way to hook an apple os/hd to an MS os/hd such that each could be the backup for the other in case one self destructed. Apparently there isn't. I'll read up on NAS, RAID, and DROBO; and probably set up something like that. Here in the lightning capital of the world (along with S. Africa) we need some sort of backup. Lightning has only gotten to one monitor and two printers so far, but it might be a computer next time. Soon as I finish a brake job and replace a door stop that just broke, I'll try yours and the others suggestions. These 28 year old Mercedes can sure keep ya busy. Thanks to all, Gerry --- From: LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com Gerry, I think you'll be hard pressed to fid a way to do this as you describe, without a lot of tinkering on the back ends of both OS'. The simplest way, IMHO, is to go with NAS (network attached storage) such as a RAID or Drobo and just have separate partitions set up for each OS. To mirror each machine at that point would be pretty simple. Your reference to mirroring I suspect is relative to a RAID array, which would have to be unique for each OS, I believe. Keep in mind that the only real redundant RAID setup is level 5 or above. Levels 0, 1 and 2 won't give you the integrity you require. You're talking about a fairly substantial undertaking, even with the price of storage these days. Why exactly are you wanting to do this? Maybe I missed this part of the thread, but I don't recall anyone asking. If it's just to maintain data integrity and/or backups, you're overthinking this big time. If data integrity/redundancy is all you're looking for, just buy a couple of NAS boxes that are set up for RAID 5. Unless your PC has room for at least three drives, you're SOL there. A Mac Pro is the only Apple machine that could do this. Tell us more Dan --- On Sat, 6/26/10, archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: ___ I would like to mirror the hds in the two computers. When something is added to the Apple hd it will also be added to the windows hd. When something is added to the windows hd it will also be added to the Apple hd; i.e. each computer will be the backup for the other; just like in a server with mirrored hds. If one hd self destructs all the data will be on the other hd. The idea is to avoid having an external drive, cables, etc. Gerry '83 300D and 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2964 - Release Date: 06/26/10 02:35:00 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Unless I'm mistake, the Mac will read/write a MS format disk (this works fine with USB flash drives) so just use a disk formated on the PC, hook up to the Mac as needed. You will not be able to inter-operate programs, of course, but data will be readable on both machines if the same programs are used on both (i.e. Word, Photoshope, iTunes, etc). File formats are the same for both. Otherwise, I'd suggest a server system where all the files are on a remote machine that gets backed up regularly. This is standard workplace practice these days -- everything we do at work is now on a remote desktop except for the forms we use from some reports that need the date and sample time changed each time. Those are a standard format provided by the State of Indiana, so we aren't risking anything by keeping them local. If these are critical or very expensive files (and the music will be $ $$ to replace, I think), make absolutely positive that you have working backups (test them periodically -- I've run into a situation in the past where the backup would never load, rendering it completely useless) AND that you keep a copy off-site. That way if someone breaks in and steals your stuff, the house burns down, or something equally horrible, you still have your data in the remote location. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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NFS != NTFS. NFS is more comparable to SMB/CIFS. -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jun 26, 2010, at 10:20, Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 09:06:01 -0400 Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: John Reames wrote: And vista can do NFS... Does XP have any problems with NTFS? I formated a drive (with Linux) in NTFS, and when I record TV in WinXP the recording stops at around 4GB. I never knew if it was a shortcoming of the OS or the PCTV software. I'm confused with what you're saying. NTFS is WinXP's preferred disk file system. ext2/3 is Linux's most popular choice, though in recent years it can also handle NTFS as well as reiser and a host of others. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I've been listening to 3 dead trolls for years... This one is better: http://www.deadtroll.com/index2.html?/video/helldeskcable.html~content -Curt Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 00:36:40 -0400 From: Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT external HDs ?? + bit of benz content. Message-ID: aanlktimlat13kibo5stb6isspagxawbf8bikbqfyt...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Philip, Watch this, you'll split your sides. http://www.deadtroll.com/index2.html?/video/ossuckscable.html~content Walt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Mitch Haley wrote: I formated a drive (with Linux) in NTFS, and when I record TV in WinXP the recording stops at around 4GB. I never knew if it was a shortcoming of the OS or the PCTV software. I'm pretty sure NTFS is limited to 4G -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Theres more than one flavor of NTFS. IIRC Win2k came with NTFS2k which is different than old NT4 NTFS which had a 4GB file size limit. IIRC old NTFS had a 4GB partition limit too but that was pretty easily worked around with tools like Partition Magic. I'd say reimage with Windows and in the future only ever format NTFS with a Windows box. Its only been a quite recent development that Linux boxes can write to NTFS its quite possible they're using an older implementation. -Curt Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 08:26:43 -0500 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT external HDs ?? + bit of benz content. Message-ID: a06240813c84baee73...@[192.168.1.51] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed Probably a limitation of the software. NTFS is the native file system for winders 2000, XP and all later M$ OS. I don't know of anything within NTFS that would limit the file size, unless a policy is set to limit user file space, but that should limit the overall file space, not per file allocation. John Reames wrote: And vista can do NFS... Does XP have any problems with NTFS? I formated a drive (with Linux) in NTFS, and when I record TV in WinXP the recording stops at around 4GB. I never knew if it was a shortcoming of the OS or the PCTV software. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Mitch asked Does XP have any problems with NTFS? No - I use NTFS on XP and Vista - it's the best file format available in WIndows... No idea about the Linux world... LarryT OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 9:06 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT external HDs ?? + bit of benz content. John Reames wrote: And vista can do NFS... Does XP have any problems with NTFS? I formated a drive (with Linux) in NTFS, and when I record TV in WinXP the recording stops at around 4GB. I never knew if it was a shortcoming of the OS or the PCTV software. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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http://www.ntfs.com/ntfs_vs_fat.htm suggests we're both wrong but I think its not right as FAT32 had a 4GB file size limit that I've had to work around many times. Pro-video folks found NTFS and HFS+ on the Mac a godsend... Wikipedia is of course more reasonable and suggests as I did in a different email that Win2k brought out a new version: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS but it says max file size is 16TB which is now incorrect as XP and later get the bump to 16EB although there are some technical reasons that isn't true that I can't remember just now. Some tickle in the back of my mind makes me think the 2GB file size limit in NT4 (or was it 4GB by then) might not have been NTFS but something else to do with NT4. Rest assured at any rate there is basically no file size limit anymore, the easy way to prove it on an XP box is to capture from a DV camcorder for more than 9 minutes... -Curt Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 18:35:53 -0500 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT external HDs ?? + bit of benz content. Message-ID: 20100626183553.489fc67d.fmi...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Mitch Haley wrote: I formated a drive (with Linux) in NTFS, and when I record TV in WinXP the recording stops at around 4GB. I never knew if it was a shortcoming of the OS or the PCTV software. I'm pretty sure NTFS is limited to 4G -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I believe this is the correct explanation. the linux NTFS was the NT4 implementation that was limited to 4 Gb. Move the stuff off and reformat with a winders 2000 or newer OS, or with a third party partition manager. Theres more than one flavor of NTFS. IIRC Win2k came with NTFS2k which is different than old NT4 NTFS which had a 4GB file size limit. IIRC old NTFS had a 4GB partition limit too but that was pretty easily worked around with tools like Partition Magic. I'd say reimage with Windows and in the future only ever format NTFS with a Windows box. Its only been a quite recent development that Linux boxes can write to NTFS its quite possible they're using an older implementation. -Curt Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 08:26:43 -0500 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT external HDs ?? + bit of benz content. Message-ID: a06240813c84baee73...@[192.168.1.51] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed Probably a limitation of the software. NTFS is the native file system for winders 2000, XP and all later M$ OS. I don't know of anything within NTFS that would limit the file size, unless a policy is set to limit user file space, but that should limit the overall file space, not per file allocation. John Reames wrote: And vista can do NFS... Does XP have any problems with NTFS? I formated a drive (with Linux) in NTFS, and when I record TV in WinXP the recording stops at around 4GB. I never knew if it was a shortcoming of the OS or the PCTV software. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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This is straining the depths of unused trivia in my memory. I do recall the 2 Gb wall with NT4. I think SP 3 or 4 or maybe 6 raised the wall to 4 Gb. I do remember that 2000 brought out a new NTFS. I am pretty sure that Server 2003 bumped the limits up again. There are definitely different versions of NTFS. I do remember that. http://www.ntfs.com/ntfs_vs_fat.htm suggests we're both wrong but I think its not right as FAT32 had a 4GB file size limit that I've had to work around many times. Pro-video folks found NTFS and HFS+ on the Mac a godsend... Wikipedia is of course more reasonable and suggests as I did in a different email that Win2k brought out a new version: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS but it says max file size is 16TB which is now incorrect as XP and later get the bump to 16EB although there are some technical reasons that isn't true that I can't remember just now. Some tickle in the back of my mind makes me think the 2GB file size limit in NT4 (or was it 4GB by then) might not have been NTFS but something else to do with NT4. Rest assured at any rate there is basically no file size limit anymore, the easy way to prove it on an XP box is to capture from a DV camcorder for more than 9 minutes... -Curt Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 18:35:53 -0500 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT external HDs ?? + bit of benz content. Message-ID: 20100626183553.489fc67d.fmi...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Mitch Haley wrote: I formated a drive (with Linux) in NTFS, and when I record TV in WinXP the recording stops at around 4GB. I never knew if it was a shortcoming of the OS or the PCTV software. I'm pretty sure NTFS is limited to 4G -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 18:35 -0500, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: I'm pretty sure NTFS is limited to 4G It's not, but FAT (the legacy DOS filesystem) might have been. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You can initialize an NTFS disk with an MBR or GPT partition table. MBR can't see past 2Tb. GPT can. The current implementation of NTFS is limited to 4 million clusters. If you use 512 byte sectors, that limits the partition size to 2Tb. You need to increase the cluster size if you need a larger partition. Extending a volume is subject to the same limitation. Unfortunately there are no utilities that are able to do an in-place migration that increases cluster size. You need to initially set a cluster size that allows expansion to the maximum partition size you might need. I've personally worked with single NTFS partitions of 20Tb (Raid-6 array of 16 x 1.5Tb drives) . That required using a 8K cluster size. Only the Itanium specific versions of Windows can boot from GPT disks. All recent vintage 3Ware and Areca controllers allow designating a boot partition 2Tb out of a much larger array so you don't need dedicated boot drives (you can boot from the array). This allows you to create a virtual MBR disk to boot from while most of the array capacity is in a GPT disk. -Dave Walton On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 10:20 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 18:35 -0500, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: I'm pretty sure NTFS is limited to 4G It's not, but FAT (the legacy DOS filesystem) might have been. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I thought I'd ask the group, as many of you seem quite knowledgeable on all things computers. I currently have a PC, but I'm thinking about going back to Macs next time. Anyway, I want to get an external drive, (1-2 TB). I see several advertised as being PC/Mac compatible. I'm interesting in a model that sits on my desktop as an icon, and allows me to drop files onto it, that I'd like to safe or backup on the HD, I don't want one that automatically backs everything up. Also, when it says PC/Mac compatible; is there a way to use the HD between both platforms, without loading XP, or some other OS onto the Mac? I thought jpegs, MP3, and other formats worked on both platforms, but now sure if the HD itself needs to be formated for either PC, or Mac. My end goal, as always, is to eliminate as many cables and clutter from my desk as possible. yeah, I'm a neat-freak, so I have to pay the price. Thanks everyone, Ed 300E Bit of Benz content...I saw the new E Class convertible at the dealer last week. I'm not really a drop top guy, but it does look much better in person, than in photos. They were messing with me head too, seems they now call MBtex, artico or something. Looks as good as the old stuff. They have gone to a type of plastic for on some of the door trim, that I have to say, looks and feels like crap! The overing on the steering wheel is also to squishy for my liking. I still think VW make some of the best looking, and feeling plastic. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Easy peasy, a Mac will read a Windows drive (but not the other way around at least without additional software) so theres nothing to worry about. USB2 is the easier interface although not as fast as firewire. The nice thing about USB is you can have it power the drive... -Curt Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 13:27:39 -0400 From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] OT external HDs ?? + bit of benz content. Message-ID: aanlktim-hy7ivjqpcmqkxvypeo5v4-aoa48-qcbcg...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I thought I'd ask the group, as many of you seem quite knowledgeable on all things computers. I currently have a PC, but I'm thinking about going back to Macs next time. Anyway, I want to get an external drive, (1-2 TB). I see several advertised as being PC/Mac compatible. I'm interesting in a model that sits on my desktop as an icon, and allows me to drop files onto it, that I'd like to safe or backup on the HD, I don't want one that automatically backs everything up. Also, when it says PC/Mac compatible; is there a way to use the HD between both platforms, without loading XP, or some other OS onto the Mac? I thought jpegs, MP3, and other formats worked on both platforms, but now sure if the HD itself needs to be formated for either PC, or Mac. My end goal, as always, is to eliminate as many cables and clutter from my desk as possible. yeah, I'm a neat-freak, so I have to pay the price. Thanks everyone, Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Newegg had a 1 or 1.5Tb drive with an external enclosure thrown in the other day, for cheap money, they have a 2Tb drive for $110 now. I'm not sure about swapping between the two unless you set it up as some sort of network drive. --R On 6/25/2010 1:27 PM, E M wrote: I thought I'd ask the group, as many of you seem quite knowledgeable on all things computers. I currently have a PC, but I'm thinking about going back to Macs next time. Anyway, I want to get an external drive, (1-2 TB). I see several advertised as being PC/Mac compatible. I'm interesting in a model that sits on my desktop as an icon, and allows me to drop files onto it, that I'd like to safe or backup on the HD, I don't want one that automatically backs everything up. Also, when it says PC/Mac compatible; is there a way to use the HD between both platforms, without loading XP, or some other OS onto the Mac? I thought jpegs, MP3, and other formats worked on both platforms, but now sure if the HD itself needs to be formated for either PC, or Mac. My end goal, as always, is to eliminate as many cables and clutter from my desk as possible. yeah, I'm a neat-freak, so I have to pay the price. Thanks everyone, Ed 300E Bit of Benz content...I saw the new E Class convertible at the dealer last week. I'm not really a drop top guy, but it does look much better in person, than in photos. They were messing with me head too, seems they now call MBtex, artico or something. Looks as good as the old stuff. They have gone to a type of plastic for on some of the door trim, that I have to say, looks and feels like crap! The overing on the steering wheel is also to squishy for my liking. I still think VW make some of the best looking, and feeling plastic. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Jun 25, 2010, at 1:27 PM, E M wrote: I thought I'd ask the group, as many of you seem quite knowledgeable on all things computers. SNIP Thanks everyone, Ed 300E Ed, Here is the solution to your needs: http://www.newertech.com/products/gmax.php . I have one sitting on my desk here in the shop on the Mac and it just does its job. I read many reviews and researched these things for some time. This one came out on top and I am still very happy with my purchase. Most of the big box store stuff had very mixed reviews. Mathieu www.oldworldauto.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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For being neat, it is hard to beat a Mac. Fewer wires to start with. I bought a macbook a little over a year ago, and it is great. I loaded XP Pro on it as a dual boot (bootcamp) but rarely use XP. I miss the ping and tracert function I could use in the Winders CMD command line but that is about all, and I only need them when the internet is down. We recently did a macbook to macbook pro video conference using the gmail app. The video and audio quality was excellent. I thought I'd ask the group, as many of you seem quite knowledgeable on all things computers. I currently have a PC, but I'm thinking about going back to Macs next time. Anyway, I want to get an external drive, (1-2 TB). I see several advertised as being PC/Mac compatible. I'm interesting in a model that sits on my desktop as an icon, and allows me to drop files onto it, that I'd like to safe or backup on the HD, I don't want one that automatically backs everything up. Also, when it says PC/Mac compatible; is there a way to use the HD between both platforms, without loading XP, or some other OS onto the Mac? I thought jpegs, MP3, and other formats worked on both platforms, but now sure if the HD itself needs to be formated for either PC, or Mac. My end goal, as always, is to eliminate as many cables and clutter from my desk as possible. yeah, I'm a neat-freak, so I have to pay the price. Thanks everyone, Ed 300E Bit of Benz content...I saw the new E Class convertible at the dealer last week. I'm not really a drop top guy, but it does look much better in person, than in photos. They were messing with me head too, seems they now call MBtex, artico or something. Looks as good as the old stuff. They have gone to a type of plastic for on some of the door trim, that I have to say, looks and feels like crap! The overing on the steering wheel is also to squishy for my liking. I still think VW make some of the best looking, and feeling plastic. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Thanks everyone, some good suggestions!! Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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One thing I was told when looking at an iMac 27, was that the built in cam would not work with MSN. Not sure what the problem is, but they said MSN works fine with an external cam, just not the built in one. The suggestion of an external cam didn't work for me, as it defeats the purpose of having everything in one nice tidy box. Ed 300E On 25 June 2010 13:53, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: For being neat, it is hard to beat a Mac. Fewer wires to start with. I bought a macbook a little over a year ago, and it is great. I loaded XP Pro on it as a dual boot (bootcamp) but rarely use XP. I miss the ping and tracert function I could use in the Winders CMD command line but that is about all, and I only need them when the internet is down. We recently did a macbook to macbook pro video conference using the gmail app. The video and audio quality was excellent. I thought I'd ask the group, as many of you seem quite knowledgeable on all things computers. I currently have a PC, but I'm thinking about going back to Macs next time. Anyway, I want to get an external drive, (1-2 TB). I see several advertised as being PC/Mac compatible. I'm interesting in a model that sits on my desktop as an icon, and allows me to drop files onto it, that I'd like to safe or backup on the HD, I don't want one that automatically backs everything up. Also, when it says PC/Mac compatible; is there a way to use the HD between both platforms, without loading XP, or some other OS onto the Mac? I thought jpegs, MP3, and other formats worked on both platforms, but now sure if the HD itself needs to be formated for either PC, or Mac. My end goal, as always, is to eliminate as many cables and clutter from my desk as possible. yeah, I'm a neat-freak, so I have to pay the price. Thanks everyone, Ed 300E Bit of Benz content...I saw the new E Class convertible at the dealer last week. I'm not really a drop top guy, but it does look much better in person, than in photos. They were messing with me head too, seems they now call MBtex, artico or something. Looks as good as the old stuff. They have gone to a type of plastic for on some of the door trim, that I have to say, looks and feels like crap! The overing on the steering wheel is also to squishy for my liking. I still think VW make some of the best looking, and feeling plastic. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I'd get one that had FW800, eSATA, and USB, or at least two of the above. The speed difference is remarkable with USB being the slowest and eSATA the fastest with FW800 closer to eSATA. -Original Message- From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 14:09:49 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT external HDs ?? + bit of benz content. One thing I was told when looking at an iMac 27, was that the built in cam would not work with MSN. Not sure what the problem is, but they said MSN works fine with an external cam, just not the built in one. The suggestion of an external cam didn't work for me, as it defeats the purpose of having everything in one nice tidy box. Ed 300E On 25 June 2010 13:53, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: For being neat, it is hard to beat a Mac. Fewer wires to start with. I bought a macbook a little over a year ago, and it is great. I loaded XP Pro on it as a dual boot (bootcamp) but rarely use XP. I miss the ping and tracert function I could use in the Winders CMD command line but that is about all, and I only need them when the internet is down. We recently did a macbook to macbook pro video conference using the gmail app. The video and audio quality was excellent. I thought I'd ask the group, as many of you seem quite knowledgeable on all things computers. I currently have a PC, but I'm thinking about going back to Macs next time. Anyway, I want to get an external drive, (1-2 TB). I see several advertised as being PC/Mac compatible. I'm interesting in a model that sits on my desktop as an icon, and allows me to drop files onto it, that I'd like to safe or backup on the HD, I don't want one that automatically backs everything up. Also, when it says PC/Mac compatible; is there a way to use the HD between both platforms, without loading XP, or some other OS onto the Mac? I thought jpegs, MP3, and other formats worked on both platforms, but now sure if the HD itself needs to be formated for either PC, or Mac. My end goal, as always, is to eliminate as many cables and clutter from my desk as possible. yeah, I'm a neat-freak, so I have to pay the price. Thanks everyone, Ed 300E Bit of Benz content...I saw the new E Class convertible at the dealer last week. I'm not really a drop top guy, but it does look much better in person, than in photos. They were messing with me head too, seems they now call MBtex, artico or something. Looks as good as the old stuff. They have gone to a type of plastic for on some of the door trim, that I have to say, looks and feels like crap! The overing on the steering wheel is also to squishy for my liking. I still think VW make some of the best looking, and feeling plastic. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: For being neat, it is hard to beat a Mac. Fewer wires to start with. I bought a macbook a little over a year ago, and it is great. I loaded XP Pro on it as a dual boot (bootcamp) but rarely use XP. I miss the ping and tracert function I could use in the Winders CMD command line but that is about all, and I only need them when the internet is down. Huh? Am I missing something here? You can certainly use ping and traceroute from a Mac OS X terminal window. In fact there are probably more network-related utilities included with OS X than with any flavor of Windows, considering that whole Intertube thing started on Unix and was then borrowed by Micro$oft. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Get a run of the mill USB external HDD. Format it as FAT32. (Macs don't usually like NTFS, PCs don't usually like HFS) Be aware that FAT32 may require partitioning the drive into multiple chunks, but I have a 500GB as FAT32. FAT32 also cannot have any single file that is larger than about 4GB. -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jun 25, 2010, at 13:27, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: I thought I'd ask the group, as many of you seem quite knowledgeable on all things computers. I currently have a PC, but I'm thinking about going back to Macs next time. Anyway, I want to get an external drive, (1-2 TB). I see several advertised as being PC/Mac compatible. I'm interesting in a model that sits on my desktop as an icon, and allows me to drop files onto it, that I'd like to safe or backup on the HD, I don't want one that automatically backs everything up. Also, when it says PC/Mac compatible; is there a way to use the HD between both platforms, without loading XP, or some other OS onto the Mac? I thought jpegs, MP3, and other formats worked on both platforms, but now sure if the HD itself needs to be formated for either PC, or Mac. My end goal, as always, is to eliminate as many cables and clutter from my desk as possible. yeah, I'm a neat-freak, so I have to pay the price. Thanks everyone, Ed 300E Bit of Benz content...I saw the new E Class convertible at the dealer last week. I'm not really a drop top guy, but it does look much better in person, than in photos. They were messing with me head too, seems they now call MBtex, artico or something. Looks as good as the old stuff. They have gone to a type of plastic for on some of the door trim, that I have to say, looks and feels like crap! The overing on the steering wheel is also to squishy for my liking. I still think VW make some of the best looking, and feeling plastic. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Iirc the network control panel has some of the ping/traceroute (not tracert!) functionality, and other bits may be in rhe applications/utilities folder. -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jun 25, 2010, at 14:20, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: For being neat, it is hard to beat a Mac. Fewer wires to start with. I bought a macbook a little over a year ago, and it is great. I loaded XP Pro on it as a dual boot (bootcamp) but rarely use XP. I miss the ping and tracert function I could use in the Winders CMD command line but that is about all, and I only need them when the internet is down. Huh? Am I missing something here? You can certainly use ping and traceroute from a Mac OS X terminal window. In fact there are probably more network-related utilities included with OS X than with any flavor of Windows, considering that whole Intertube thing started on Unix and was then borrowed by Micro$oft. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Hint: A Mac is BSD under the hood, the command line is still there, applicationsutilities Ping = Ping but it pings forever, control C breaks out Tracert = Trace Route Ipconfig = ifconfig -Curt Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 12:53:53 -0500 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT external HDs ?? + bit of benz content. Message-ID: a06240802c84a9be6b...@[192.168.1.51] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed For being neat, it is hard to beat a Mac. Fewer wires to start with. I bought a macbook a little over a year ago, and it is great. I loaded XP Pro on it as a dual boot (bootcamp) but rarely use XP. I miss the ping and tracert function I could use in the Winders CMD command line but that is about all, and I only need them when the internet is down. We recently did a macbook to macbook pro video conference using the gmail app. The video and audio quality was excellent. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have a fairly new Macbook running OSX Snow Leopard and a PC running XP. Is there any way they can mirror each other? Thanks, Gerry '83 300D and 240D From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com For being neat, it is hard to beat a Mac. Fewer wires to start with. I bought a macbook a little over a year ago, and it is great. I loaded XP Pro on it as a dual boot (bootcamp) but rarely use XP. I miss the ping and tracert function I could use in the Winders CMD command line but that is about all, and I only need them when the internet is down. We recently did a macbook to macbook pro video conference using the gmail app. The video and audio quality was excellent. I thought I'd ask the group, as many of you seem quite knowledgeable on all things computers. I currently have a PC, but I'm thinking about going back to Macs next time. Anyway, I want to get an external drive, (1-2 TB). I see several advertised as being PC/Mac compatible. I'm interesting in a model that sits on my desktop as an icon, and allows me to drop files onto it, that I'd like to safe or backup on the HD, I don't want one that automatically backs everything up. Also, when it says PC/Mac compatible; is there a way to use the HD between both platforms, without loading XP, or some other OS onto the Mac? I thought jpegs, MP3, and other formats worked on both platforms, but now sure if the HD itself needs to be formated for either PC, or Mac. My end goal, as always, is to eliminate as many cables and clutter from my desk as possible. yeah, I'm a neat-freak, so I have to pay the price. Thanks everyone, Ed 300E Bit of Benz content...I saw the new E Class convertible at the dealer last week. I'm not really a drop top guy, but it does look much better in person, than in photos. They were messing with me head too, seems they now call MBtex, artico or something. Looks as good as the old stuff. They have gone to a type of plastic for on some of the door trim, that I have to say, looks and feels like crap! The overing on the steering wheel is also to squishy for my liking. I still think VW make some of the best looking, and feeling plastic. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2962 - Release Date: 06/25/10 02:35:00 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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archer wrote: I have a fairly new Macbook running OSX Snow Leopard and a PC running XP. Is there any way they can mirror each other? Thanks, Gerry Hmmm network them and them map a backup to a network virtual drive on the other computer? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Aha, Thanks. What little unix i used to know is mostly forgotten, and was not network related. I will probably remember rm forever because it took me a very long time to find out. not at all intuitive to me. Hint: A Mac is BSD under the hood, the command line is still there, applicationsutilities Ping = Ping but it pings forever, control C breaks out Tracert = Trace Route Ipconfig = ifconfig -Curt Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 12:53:53 -0500 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT external HDs ?? + bit of benz content. Message-ID: a06240802c84a9be6b...@[192.168.1.51] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed For being neat, it is hard to beat a Mac. Fewer wires to start with. I bought a macbook a little over a year ago, and it is great. I loaded XP Pro on it as a dual boot (bootcamp) but rarely use XP. I miss the ping and tracert function I could use in the Winders CMD command line but that is about all, and I only need them when the internet is down. We recently did a macbook to macbook pro video conference using the gmail app. The video and audio quality was excellent. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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No, I have been missing something. I figured there was a way.I just found terminal and did a ping, but it said tracert was unknown. On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: For being neat, it is hard to beat a Mac. Fewer wires to start with. I bought a macbook a little over a year ago, and it is great. I loaded XP Pro on it as a dual boot (bootcamp) but rarely use XP. I miss the ping and tracert function I could use in the Winders CMD command line but that is about all, and I only need them when the internet is down. Huh? Am I missing something here? You can certainly use ping and traceroute from a Mac OS X terminal window. In fact there are probably more network-related utilities included with OS X than with any flavor of Windows, considering that whole Intertube thing started on Unix and was then borrowed by Micro$oft. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 15:32:32 -0500 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Aha, Thanks. What little unix i used to know is mostly forgotten, and was not network related. I will probably remember rm forever because it took me a very long time to find out. not at all intuitive to me. rm for remove wasn't obvious? Craig rm -rf /bin/laden ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 15:28:22 -0500 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: No, I have been missing something. I figured there was a way.I just found terminal and did a ping, but it said tracert was unknown. traceroute is the Unix command. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Delete was obvious, I don't remember what apple-DOS was but it was not remove. I had never heard the term remove a file Delete or trash a file, yes. On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 15:32:32 -0500 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Aha, Thanks. What little unix i used to know is mostly forgotten, and was not network related. I will probably remember rm forever because it took me a very long time to find out. not at all intuitive to me. rm for remove wasn't obvious? Craig rm -rf /bin/laden ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Delete was obvious, I don't remember what apple-DOS was but it was not remove. I had never heard the term remove a file Delete or trash a file, yes. It's English. You rarely use Delete in a non-computer sentence, after all... Delete had a rather specific meaning on the early Unix terminals, after all, and it wasn't for removing files! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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No, I have been missing something. I figured there was a way.I just found terminal and did a ping, but it said tracert was unknown. What the heck is tracert anyway? Traceroute is the original Unix utility, from the original implementation of IP. Oh wait, too many characters for DOS! Better change it, and call it standard. Or maybe stnrd. :-) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I miss the ping and tracert function I could use in the Winders CMD command line but that is about all, and I only need them when the internet is down. Mac OSX has both CLI and GUI tools for this. Your choice. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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archer wrote: I have a fairly new Macbook running OSX Snow Leopard and a PC running XP. Is there any way they can mirror each other? rant mode Apple made the original PC. PC = Personal Computer. As opposed to a main frame or server. And now the hardware isn't even really that different. So a new PC could be running Microsoft Windows, OSX, Linux, or BSD. /rant mode Mirror... So you want the same data available to both computers? OSX runs samba, which is better for MS Windows network sharing than MS Windows. Set it up so a directory (folder) on your OSX computer is shared via samba. Set up the WinXP with map network drive to make that OSX shared folder show up as S:, or whatever. Or are you wanting an external drive to be able to move between the two computers and both access the same data? Or do you mean something else? I think the best option is to run a virtual machine with OSX as the host and Win XP as the guest. Do what you must in MS Win, but all the rest of what needs to be done on a computer can be outside of MS world. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Philip, Watch this, you'll split your sides. http://www.deadtroll.com/index2.html?/video/ossuckscable.html~content Walt On Jun 26, 2010 12:29 AM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: archer wrote: I have a fairly new Macbook running OSX Snow Leopard and a PC running XP. Is th... rant mode Apple made the original PC. PC = Personal Computer. As opposed to a main frame or server. And now the hardware isn't even really that different. So a new PC could be running Microsoft Windows, OSX, Linux, or BSD. /rant mode Mirror... So you want the same data available to both computers? OSX runs samba, which is better for MS Windows network sharing than MS Windows. Set it up so a directory (folder) on your OSX computer is shared via samba. Set up the WinXP with map network drive to make that OSX shared folder show up as S:, or whatever. Or are you wanting an external drive to be able to move between the two computers and both access the same data? Or do you mean something else? I think the best option is to run a virtual machine with OSX as the host and Win XP as the guest. Do what you must in MS Win, but all the rest of what needs to be done on a computer can be outside of MS world. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.ok... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Dieselhead wrote: No, I have been missing something. I figured there was a way.I just found terminal and did a ping, but it said tracert was unknown. The tab key is your friend. I believe the default shell is now bash, which means at any point in the command you can press tab and it will fill in for you as much of the command as it can until there is an ambiguity. On my machine I can type trace, press tab and I now have traceroute and it beeps. Press tab again and all the possible choices list. traceroute and traceroute6 are the two choices. Also, the command apropos will search the man pages for the term and list a very brief summary of the commands that might be apropos. apropos trace returns this list. kdump(1) - display kernel trace data ktrace(1)- enable kernel process tracing ktrace(2)- process tracing ptrace(2)- process tracing and debugging traceroute(8)- print the route packets take to network host traceroute6(8) - print the route IPv6 packets will take to the destination trpt(8) - transliterate protocol trace And now you know how to find command is BSD or Linux! *grin* -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I thought the origial PC ws the Altair --- On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 11:26 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: rant mode Apple made the original PC. PC = Personal Computer. As opposed to a main frame or server. And now the hardware isn't even really that different. So a new PC could be running Microsoft Windows, OSX, Linux, or BSD. /rant mode -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
