Re: [MBZ] OT the travails of a 2 ford family
Jim Cathey wrote: Actually, you are wrong! These wheels do fit. I know because I bought a set of 201 wheels once to put on a 107. The center star popped right out when I put the first wheel on, the hub poked right through. That was embarrassing, costly, and time-wasting. How better to learn? A friend of mine bought some early 80's Colt Hatchback wheels for his late 80's Colt Vista. Took them to the tire store to have snow tires mounted. Before you mount the tires, could you make sure these wheels fit? Sure thing. I could tell from ten feet away that the hatchback wheels had more offset. Tire store bozo probably checked the bolt pattern before he mounted the snow tires and air-wrenched a front wheel onto the car. The wheel wouldn't turn because it was binding hard on the caliper. They dismounted the tires and gave him a refund. As it turns out, they should have bought him a new caliper too, they bent it and it would not release the disk. As for the Snook situation, now you know why the mechanic who bought the 126 wants the set of 126 wheels, and intends to take the 124 wheels off the 126 and put them on a 124. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT the travails of a 2 ford family
On 9/12/07, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He's not much of a Mercedes mechanic if he doesn't know that 124 and 126 wheels are not interchangeable (the offsets are very different). Actually, you are wrong! These wheels do fit. I know because I have been driving on them for the last several months. The 8 hole wheels came off of a 1994 E320 wagon. We put them on my 126 without any problems. They are genuine Mercedes wheels. No, I am right. But I can clarify. Like OK Don said, bolting on and fitting are two different things. It's a simple matter of fact that the offsets are different enough to cause trouble. 124 wheels will NOT fit on a 126, 107, or 123 without spacers 15 mm thick or so on the hubs. Otherwise they will contact the brake discs and front suspension. 126 wheels MIGHT fit on a 124 in the sense of being able to be bolted on successfully, but they will stick out much farther than the stock wheels, and I'd expect them to contact the inner fenders at full steering lock and perhaps also at full spring compression. Either way the result is not what Mercedes intended and the ride and handling characteristics of the car will be significantly worse, which is unsafe in the short term and leads to increased suspension wear in the long term. The spacers are especially dangerous---penny-wise and pound-foolish. The bottom line is, use the wheels meant for the car. Mercedes engineers (at least in the old days) shared parts across chassis whenever possible (as we all know from seeing how many parts ordered for a 124, for example, have 201 part numbers). If there are different versions for different cars of something superficially identical (like the 15-hole flatface rims) it's probably for a good reason. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT the travails of a 2 ford family
After discovering that my 1990 300SEL had a blown head gasket, I decided to trade it in on a 2001 Ford Expedition. So, now my wife and I have a 97 Explorer and a 2001 Expedition. It is nice to drive a car that has such modern luxuries like a CD changer, keyless entry, heated seats, etc. What usually happens is that I get tired of a car in about 18 months. I like the fun of having a car new to me. I spend time fixing/maintaining everything and shining it up and enjoying the newness (even if they have all been used cars). So, I will drive the Expedition for 18 months or so, then give it to my wife and I will her Explorer and find another Mercedes. I will probably go back to the 124. I really enjoyed my 90 300D. I really like the 90-95 124's. The diesels are probably better cars, but I still like the gassers also. I picked up the Expedition last week on Friday. The dealer is also my mechanic. He always has 6-7 cars for sale. Mostly Mercedes and an occasional BMW. But, he had this Expedition. It belonged to one of his customers who also had a newer S class. Well, he wanted my old wheels (the 15 hole wheels) from my 126. He was going to take off the newer wheels I bought from him and put them on a 94 320 Wagon and put my old wheels back on my car. I didn't want to just give them to him and he didn't want to spend a lot of money on them, so we worked out a deal. He did an oil change, transmission flush, coolant flush, and rotated and balanced the tires. So, I left the car on Friday afternoon and went back at five to pick it up. When I got there, he was pushing it out of the garage. The FUEL PUMP went out. So, I asked him is this was my problem or his problem (I had not paid for the car yet). He said it was his problem. He ended up having to replace the fuel pump ($500) and spend all the labor. I know have a 2001 Expedition with a new fuel pump. Donald H. Snook 2001 Ford Expedition. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT the travails of a 2 ford family
On 9/12/07, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The dealer is also my mechanic. He always has 6-7 cars for sale. Mostly Mercedes and an occasional BMW. But, he had this Expedition. It belonged to one of his customers who also had a newer S class. Well, he wanted my old wheels (the 15 hole wheels) from my 126. He was going to take off the newer wheels I bought from him and put them on a 94 320 Wagon and put my old wheels back on my car. He's not much of a Mercedes mechanic if he doesn't know that 124 and 126 wheels are not interchangeable (the offsets are very different). Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT the travails of a 2 ford family
etc. What usually happens is that I get tired of a car in about 18 months. I like the fun of having a car new to me. That's why a nice big stable of MB's is so good. I rotate through them, and they're each new to me again. All the fun without all the acquisition and depreciation expenses. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT the travails of a 2 ford family
Exactly! I'm alternating between cars each day - 126, 124, 107, 126, 124,107, etc., or - Diesel, Diesel, gas, Diesel, Diesel, gas, etc. My son has the 123 off site at college, so it's out of the rotation. If you drive each one for a month, it's more like a new one each time. On 9/12/07, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: etc. What usually happens is that I get tired of a car in about 18 months. I like the fun of having a car new to me. That's why a nice big stable of MB's is so good. I rotate through them, and they're each new to me again. All the fun without all the acquisition and depreciation expenses. -- Jim -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT the travails of a 2 ford family
i had to replace an original fuel pump on a car recently as well. it was on my 79 280CE. modern car climate control is the bomb. fuel economy relative to power is also pretty great. beyond that, i don't know there is much to like. On 9/12/07, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After discovering that my 1990 300SEL had a blown head gasket, I decided to trade it in on a 2001 Ford Expedition. So, now my wife and I have a 97 Explorer and a 2001 Expedition. It is nice to drive a car that has such modern luxuries like a CD changer, keyless entry, heated seats, etc. What usually happens is that I get tired of a car in about 18 months. I like the fun of having a car new to me. I spend time fixing/maintaining everything and shining it up and enjoying the newness (even if they have all been used cars). So, I will drive the Expedition for 18 months or so, then give it to my wife and I will her Explorer and find another Mercedes. I will probably go back to the 124. I really enjoyed my 90 300D. I really like the 90-95 124's. The diesels are probably better cars, but I still like the gassers also. I picked up the Expedition last week on Friday. The dealer is also my mechanic. He always has 6-7 cars for sale. Mostly Mercedes and an occasional BMW. But, he had this Expedition. It belonged to one of his customers who also had a newer S class. Well, he wanted my old wheels (the 15 hole wheels) from my 126. He was going to take off the newer wheels I bought from him and put them on a 94 320 Wagon and put my old wheels back on my car. I didn't want to just give them to him and he didn't want to spend a lot of money on them, so we worked out a deal. He did an oil change, transmission flush, coolant flush, and rotated and balanced the tires. So, I left the car on Friday afternoon and went back at five to pick it up. When I got there, he was pushing it out of the garage. The FUEL PUMP went out. So, I asked him is this was my problem or his problem (I had not paid for the car yet). He said it was his problem. He ended up having to replace the fuel pump ($500) and spend all the labor. I know have a 2001 Expedition with a new fuel pump. Donald H. Snook 2001 Ford Expedition. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT the travails of a 2 ford family
He's not much of a Mercedes mechanic if he doesn't know that 124 and 126 wheels are not interchangeable (the offsets are very different). Actually, you are wrong! These wheels do fit. I know because I have been driving on them for the last several months. The 8 hole wheels came off of a 1994 E320 wagon. We put them on my 126 without any problems. They are genuine Mercedes wheels. Donald H. Snook 2001 Ford Expedition ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT the travails of a 2 ford family
Bolting on and being right are two different things! On 9/12/07, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He's not much of a Mercedes mechanic if he doesn't know that 124 and 126 wheels are not interchangeable (the offsets are very different). Actually, you are wrong! These wheels do fit. I know because I have been driving on them for the last several months. The 8 hole wheels came off of a 1994 E320 wagon. We put them on my 126 without any problems. They are genuine Mercedes wheels. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT the travails of a 2 ford family
Actually, you are wrong! These wheels do fit. I know because I bought a set of 201 wheels once to put on a 107. The center star popped right out when I put the first wheel on, the hub poked right through. That was embarrassing, costly, and time-wasting. How better to learn? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
