Re: [MBZ] Scam-O-Rama

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Not a bad idea, but I’m off until the 27th. I’ve got to knock out a dentist 
appointment this morning then I’m stopping by the sheriff’s substation to chat 
with them.

While I would love to assist LE in busting these creeps, I’m not going to blow 
a days worth of vacation to do it.

-D

> On Dec 22, 2017, at 6:49 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Since this is probably an interstate crime, why don't you ask one of the 
> G-men at work what you should do? If they are interested in the case they 
> might want you to do something specific. By contacting them you have 
> witnesses as to what your involvement and intentions are I would think.
> Gerry
> ~~
> Dan Penoff wrote:
>>> OK, folks, I’ve got a classic mail fraud/bank scam going and I want to know 
>>> how you think I should proceed.  No guarantees, but I’ll be looking forward 
>>> to some creative responses.  Here’s the setup:
>>> 
>>> I have a Casio electronic piano for sale on Craigslist for $449.00.
>>> 
>>> I got an email from a potential buyer named “Emma”.  Emma wanted to buy my 
>>> piano for her fiancé, but she’s not going to be in town until the end of 
>>> the month.  She said she would send me a check for the piano and some 
>>> additional money to give to the movers who would come and collect it for 
>>> her.
>>> 
>>> I gave her my street address and name.
>>> 
>>> Today a cashier’s check drawn on Comerica Bank for $1600.00 showed up in a 
>>> Priority mail Express envelope.
>>> 
>>> I called Comerica to verify the authenticity of the check.  It’s bogus.  
>>> The check was drawn on a Comerica branch in San Jose, CA and dated for the 
>>> 20th.
>>> 
>>> The Priority Express envelope was mailed from Mesa, AZ.
>>> 
>>> I have not contacted “Emma” about the check yet, however, if I go silent I 
>>> suspect she’s going to reach out to me.  My first thought it to take this 
>>> to the USPS and let them deal with it, as Postal Inspectors can always use 
>>> something to do. Then again, as this is the classic “I’ll give you extra 
>>> money you can give to someone else” ploy I wonder if I should string her 
>>> along somehow…
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> 
>>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Scam-O-Rama

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Since this is probably an interstate crime, why don't you ask one of the G-men 
at work what you should do? If they are interested in the case they might want 
you to do something specific. By contacting them you have witnesses as to what 
your involvement and intentions are I would think.
Gerry
~~
 Dan Penoff wrote:
> > OK, folks, I’ve got a classic mail fraud/bank scam going and I want to know 
> > how you think I should proceed.  No guarantees, but I’ll be looking forward 
> > to some creative responses.  Here’s the setup:
> > 
> > I have a Casio electronic piano for sale on Craigslist for $449.00.
> > 
> > I got an email from a potential buyer named “Emma”.  Emma wanted to buy my 
> > piano for her fiancé, but she’s not going to be in town until the end of 
> > the month.  She said she would send me a check for the piano and some 
> > additional money to give to the movers who would come and collect it for 
> > her.
> > 
> > I gave her my street address and name.
> > 
> > Today a cashier’s check drawn on Comerica Bank for $1600.00 showed up in a 
> > Priority mail Express envelope.
> > 
> > I called Comerica to verify the authenticity of the check.  It’s bogus.  
> > The check was drawn on a Comerica branch in San Jose, CA and dated for the 
> > 20th.
> > 
> > The Priority Express envelope was mailed from Mesa, AZ.
> > 
> > I have not contacted “Emma” about the check yet, however, if I go silent I 
> > suspect she’s going to reach out to me.  My first thought it to take this 
> > to the USPS and let them deal with it, as Postal Inspectors can always use 
> > something to do. Then again, as this is the classic “I’ll give you extra 
> > money you can give to someone else” ploy I wonder if I should string her 
> > along somehow…
> > 
> > ?
> > 
> > -D
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Re: [MBZ] Scam-O-Rama

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Possibly.

I figure if they blow me off then the fun can begin.  Like telling “Emma" I’ll 
her movers where I meet everyone for Craigslist sales - in the parking lot of 
the local sheriff’s office.

I’m betting the postal inspectors might be more interested than the local 
gendarmes.  I’ve worked with those guys in the past, and they’re pretty hard 
core about messing with the mail.

-D


> On Dec 21, 2017, at 8:53 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> they won't be interested because unless you successfully cash the check, and 
> send her $1000+ it is not a felony.  only an attempt.   I could not get 
> anyone interested in a $30,000 wire fraud.  They said it was just a trivial 
> amount!
> 
> I suspect you attempting to cash the check could be considered a felony 
> also
>> Brian Toscano via Mercedes 
>> December 21, 2017 at 4:21 PM
>> Since she mailed you a fraudulent check, its wire and mail fraud. That’s a 
>> federal crime. Since $1600 - $449 - shipping would likely be > $1,000 loss 
>> to you if you returned the overage to her, I think law enforcement would be 
>> interested. I would contact law enforcement. There are some older people 
>> that fall for this and lose a lot of money. Help someone not be the next 
>> victim.
>> 
>> 
> Now if they could give you a ticket for 10 over the speed limit, they'd be 
> ALL over that!  They get brownie points for speeding tickets because it is 
> easy income for the berg.
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Re: [MBZ] Scam-O-Rama

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

they won't be interested because unless you successfully cash the check, 
and send her $1000+ it is not a felony.  only an attempt.   I could not 
get anyone interested in a $30,000 wire fraud.  They said it was just a 
trivial amount!


I suspect you attempting to cash the check could be considered a felony 
also

Brian Toscano via Mercedes 
December 21, 2017 at 4:21 PM
Since she mailed you a fraudulent check, its wire and mail fraud. 
That’s a federal crime. Since $1600 - $449 - shipping would likely be 
> $1,000 loss to you if you returned the overage to her, I think law 
enforcement would be interested. I would contact law enforcement. 
There are some older people that fall for this and lose a lot of 
money. Help someone not be the next victim.



Now if they could give you a ticket for 10 over the speed limit, they'd 
be ALL over that!  They get brownie points for speeding tickets because 
it is easy income for the berg.

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Re: [MBZ] Scam-O-Rama

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

thats a good start


Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
December 21, 2017 at 4:19 PM
I just got an email from “Emma” saying that she saw the check was 
delivered today and if I would let her know when I have it in hand. 
Funny that she waived signature acceptance. However, she’s got over 
$25 in this for postage alone at this point.


The things I could do at this point are almost overwhelming. I’ve got 
to exercise restraint.


I’m tempted to tell her my mother in law has become ill and I had to 
go to her house and won’t return until the weekend. With the weekend 
and banking holidays I wouldn’t be able to cash the check until Tuesday….


Hmm.

-D




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Re: [MBZ] Scam-O-Rama

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Nahh, I’m going to talk to my local sheriff in the morning and see what he 
suggests.  If nothing, I’ll check in at the local USPS and see what they say.

-D

> On Dec 21, 2017, at 6:19 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> -D wrote:
>> ...For now I’ll leave her email unanswered.
> 
> Not so fast.  Maybe give okiebenz that email?  We could have some fun.
> ...or, maybe not...  Who wants to be accused of Frankening?
> tin.man
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Re: [MBZ] Scam-O-Rama

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

-D wrote:
> ...For now I’ll leave her email unanswered.

Not so fast.  Maybe give okiebenz that email?  We could have some fun.
...or, maybe not...  Who wants to be accused of Frankening?
tin.man

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Re: [MBZ] Scam-O-Rama

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=1016390

Anybody remember P-P-P-Powerbook?

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Re: [MBZ] Scam-O-Rama

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Agreed.  I’ll be talking to my neighborhood sheriff in the morning.  For now 
I’ll leave her email unanswered.

Thanks, I hand’t thought about the monetary aspect of this (over $1000).

-D

> On Dec 21, 2017, at 5:21 PM, Brian Toscano via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Since she mailed you a fraudulent check, its wire and mail fraud.  That’s a 
> federal crime.  Since $1600 - $449 - shipping would likely be > $1,000 loss 
> to you if you returned the overage to her, I think law enforcement would be 
> interested.  I would contact law enforcement.  There are some older people 
> that fall for this and lose a lot of money.  Help someone not be the next 
> victim.
> 
>> On Dec 21, 2017, at 3:16 PM, Craig via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 14:00:47 -0800 clay monroe via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Find a bogus check and send her that.
>> 
>> Sounds like bad advice to me.
>> 
>> 
>> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Scam-O-Rama

[Brian Toscano via Mercedes]

Since she mailed you a fraudulent check, its wire and mail fraud.  That’s a 
federal crime.  Since $1600 - $449 - shipping would likely be > $1,000 loss to 
you if you returned the overage to her, I think law enforcement would be 
interested.  I would contact law enforcement.  There are some older people that 
fall for this and lose a lot of money.  Help someone not be the next victim.

> On Dec 21, 2017, at 3:16 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 14:00:47 -0800 clay monroe via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> Find a bogus check and send her that.
> 
> Sounds like bad advice to me.
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Scam-O-Rama

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I just got an email from “Emma” saying that she saw the check was delivered 
today and if I would let her know when I have it in hand.  Funny that she 
waived signature acceptance.  However, she’s got over $25 in this for postage 
alone at this point.

The things I could do at this point are almost overwhelming.  I’ve got to 
exercise restraint.

I’m tempted to tell her my mother in law has become ill and I had to go to her 
house and won’t return until the weekend.  With the weekend and banking 
holidays I wouldn’t be able to cash the check until Tuesday….

Hmm.

-D




> On Dec 21, 2017, at 5:02 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> #1 daughter and I played someone on one of those.   Never did anything with 
> the scam check and they never asked for it back.  I think a lot of those are 
> small time scammers trying to clear a grand to buy beer/booze for the month.
> 
>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> December 21, 2017 at 2:51 PM
>> OK, folks, I’ve got a classic mail fraud/bank scam going and I want to know 
>> how you think I should proceed. No guarantees, but I’ll be looking forward 
>> to some creative responses. Here’s the setup:
>> 
>> I have a Casio electronic piano for sale on Craigslist for $449.00.
>> 
>> I got an email from a potential buyer named “Emma”. Emma wanted to buy my 
>> piano for her fiancé, but she’s not going to be in town until the end of the 
>> month. She said she would send me a check for the piano and some additional 
>> money to give to the movers who would come and collect it for her.
>> 
>> I gave her my street address and name.
>> 
>> Today a cashier’s check drawn on Comerica Bank for $1600.00 showed up in a 
>> Priority mail Express envelope.
>> 
>> I called Comerica to verify the authenticity of the check. It’s bogus. The 
>> check was drawn on a Comerica branch in San Jose, CA and dated for the 20th.
>> 
>> The Priority Express envelope was mailed from Mesa, AZ.
>> 
>> I have not contacted “Emma” about the check yet, however, if I go silent I 
>> suspect she’s going to reach out to me. My first thought it to take this to 
>> the USPS and let them deal with it, as Postal Inspectors can always use 
>> something to do. Then again, as this is the classic “I’ll give you extra 
>> money you can give to someone else” ploy I wonder if I should string her 
>> along somehow…
>> 
>> ?
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Scam-O-Rama

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 14:00:47 -0800 clay monroe via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Find a bogus check and send her that.

Sounds like bad advice to me.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Scam-O-Rama

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

#1 daughter and I played someone on one of those.   Never did anything 
with the scam check and they never asked for it back.  I think a lot of 
those are small time scammers trying to clear a grand to buy beer/booze 
for the month.



Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
December 21, 2017 at 2:51 PM
OK, folks, I’ve got a classic mail fraud/bank scam going and I want to 
know how you think I should proceed. No guarantees, but I’ll be 
looking forward to some creative responses. Here’s the setup:


I have a Casio electronic piano for sale on Craigslist for $449.00.

I got an email from a potential buyer named “Emma”. Emma wanted to buy 
my piano for her fiancé, but she’s not going to be in town until the 
end of the month. She said she would send me a check for the piano and 
some additional money to give to the movers who would come and collect 
it for her.


I gave her my street address and name.

Today a cashier’s check drawn on Comerica Bank for $1600.00 showed up 
in a Priority mail Express envelope.


I called Comerica to verify the authenticity of the check. It’s bogus. 
The check was drawn on a Comerica branch in San Jose, CA and dated for 
the 20th.


The Priority Express envelope was mailed from Mesa, AZ.

I have not contacted “Emma” about the check yet, however, if I go 
silent I suspect she’s going to reach out to me. My first thought it 
to take this to the USPS and let them deal with it, as Postal 
Inspectors can always use something to do. Then again, as this is the 
classic “I’ll give you extra money you can give to someone else” ploy 
I wonder if I should string her along somehow…


?

-D


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Re: [MBZ] Scam-O-Rama

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

Tell her you are going to drop the price and have found a better deal on 
shipping for her.  You will hold onto the check until the movers you are going 
to use pick up the item, and will then deposit it.  Then you will mail her a 
refund of excess fees.  Find a bogus check and send her that.

OR, let her know you are just going to sign her secured paper over to the IRS 
to cover your tax bill.  That might get a rise out of her



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> On Dec 21, 2017, at 12:51 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> OK, folks, I’ve got a classic mail fraud/bank scam going and I want to know 
> how you think I should proceed.  No guarantees, but I’ll be looking forward 
> to some creative responses.  Here’s the setup:
> 
> I have a Casio electronic piano for sale on Craigslist for $449.00.
> 
> I got an email from a potential buyer named “Emma”.  Emma wanted to buy my 
> piano for her fiancé, but she’s not going to be in town until the end of the 
> month.  She said she would send me a check for the piano and some additional 
> money to give to the movers who would come and collect it for her.
> 
> I gave her my street address and name.
> 
> Today a cashier’s check drawn on Comerica Bank for $1600.00 showed up in a 
> Priority mail Express envelope.
> 
> I called Comerica to verify the authenticity of the check.  It’s bogus.  The 
> check was drawn on a Comerica branch in San Jose, CA and dated for the 20th.
> 
> The Priority Express envelope was mailed from Mesa, AZ.
> 
> I have not contacted “Emma” about the check yet, however, if I go silent I 
> suspect she’s going to reach out to me.  My first thought it to take this to 
> the USPS and let them deal with it, as Postal Inspectors can always use 
> something to do. Then again, as this is the classic “I’ll give you extra 
> money you can give to someone else” ploy I wonder if I should string her 
> along somehow…
> 
> ?
> 
> -D
> 
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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I was thinking the same thing. They’ve got to have someone on the receiving end 
to make this worthwhile.  That being said it also concerns me somewhat, as hey 
no have my address.  However, without knowledge that the check has been cashed 
it’s not a lot of value to them - yet.

Unfortunately, I did handle the check, but minimally.  It didn’t even occur to 
me until after I had spoken to Comerica, who, I might add, was not the least 
bit interested in getting involved at the slightest.

I may swing by the PO tomorrow and see what they recommend as well as my 
community service officer (sheriff) and see what they say.

-D


> On Dec 21, 2017, at 4:37 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> It would seem that the "movers" are surely in on the scam. Perhaps the local 
> cops would be interested in apprehending them. Postal Inspectors for sure is 
> a good idea too. Hopefully you did not handle the check with bare hands. It 
> would be nice to put these scammers where they belong.
> 
> Greg
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan Penoff 
> via Mercedes
> Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 12:51 PM
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> Subject: [MBZ] Scam-O-Rama
> 
> OK, folks, I’ve got a classic mail fraud/bank scam going and I want to know 
> how you think I should proceed.  No guarantees, but I’ll be looking forward 
> to some creative responses.  Here’s the setup:
> 
> I have a Casio electronic piano for sale on Craigslist for $449.00.
> 
> I got an email from a potential buyer named “Emma”.  Emma wanted to buy my 
> piano for her fiancé, but she’s not going to be in town until the end of the 
> month.  She said she would send me a check for the piano and some additional 
> money to give to the movers who would come and collect it for her.
> 
> I gave her my street address and name.
> 
> Today a cashier’s check drawn on Comerica Bank for $1600.00 showed up in a 
> Priority mail Express envelope.
> 
> I called Comerica to verify the authenticity of the check.  It’s bogus.  The 
> check was drawn on a Comerica branch in San Jose, CA and dated for the 20th.
> 
> The Priority Express envelope was mailed from Mesa, AZ.
> 
> I have not contacted “Emma” about the check yet, however, if I go silent I 
> suspect she’s going to reach out to me.  My first thought it to take this to 
> the USPS and let them deal with it, as Postal Inspectors can always use 
> something to do. Then again, as this is the classic “I’ll give you extra 
> money you can give to someone else” ploy I wonder if I should string her 
> along somehow…
> 
> ?
> 
> -D
> 
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[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

-D wrote:
> ...My first thought it to take this to the USPS and let them deal with it...

Yeah... USPS Inspectors need that for their workload this week and next - NOT!!
It would be interesting to see them work with you, i.e. let you carry
out an okiebenz scam detection.
Perhaps get a response to Emma via a Mesa, AZ address and spook
something.  Or, San Jose.  Perhaps Comerica San Jose is interested in
chasing the scam with the okiebenz crew?
Fun for the holidays, yippee!
tin.man

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[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

It would seem that the "movers" are surely in on the scam. Perhaps the local 
cops would be interested in apprehending them. Postal Inspectors for sure is a 
good idea too. Hopefully you did not handle the check with bare hands. It would 
be nice to put these scammers where they belong.

Greg

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan Penoff 
via Mercedes
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 12:51 PM
To: Mercedes List
Cc: Dan Penoff
Subject: [MBZ] Scam-O-Rama

OK, folks, I’ve got a classic mail fraud/bank scam going and I want to know how 
you think I should proceed.  No guarantees, but I’ll be looking forward to some 
creative responses.  Here’s the setup:

I have a Casio electronic piano for sale on Craigslist for $449.00.

I got an email from a potential buyer named “Emma”.  Emma wanted to buy my 
piano for her fiancé, but she’s not going to be in town until the end of the 
month.  She said she would send me a check for the piano and some additional 
money to give to the movers who would come and collect it for her.

I gave her my street address and name.

Today a cashier’s check drawn on Comerica Bank for $1600.00 showed up in a 
Priority mail Express envelope.

I called Comerica to verify the authenticity of the check.  It’s bogus.  The 
check was drawn on a Comerica branch in San Jose, CA and dated for the 20th.

The Priority Express envelope was mailed from Mesa, AZ.

I have not contacted “Emma” about the check yet, however, if I go silent I 
suspect she’s going to reach out to me.  My first thought it to take this to 
the USPS and let them deal with it, as Postal Inspectors can always use 
something to do. Then again, as this is the classic “I’ll give you extra money 
you can give to someone else” ploy I wonder if I should string her along 
somehow…

?

-D


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[MBZ] Scam-O-Rama

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

OK, folks, I’ve got a classic mail fraud/bank scam going and I want to know how 
you think I should proceed.  No guarantees, but I’ll be looking forward to some 
creative responses.  Here’s the setup:

I have a Casio electronic piano for sale on Craigslist for $449.00.

I got an email from a potential buyer named “Emma”.  Emma wanted to buy my 
piano for her fiancé, but she’s not going to be in town until the end of the 
month.  She said she would send me a check for the piano and some additional 
money to give to the movers who would come and collect it for her.

I gave her my street address and name.

Today a cashier’s check drawn on Comerica Bank for $1600.00 showed up in a 
Priority mail Express envelope.

I called Comerica to verify the authenticity of the check.  It’s bogus.  The 
check was drawn on a Comerica branch in San Jose, CA and dated for the 20th.

The Priority Express envelope was mailed from Mesa, AZ.

I have not contacted “Emma” about the check yet, however, if I go silent I 
suspect she’s going to reach out to me.  My first thought it to take this to 
the USPS and let them deal with it, as Postal Inspectors can always use 
something to do. Then again, as this is the classic “I’ll give you extra money 
you can give to someone else” ploy I wonder if I should string her along 
somehow…

?

-D


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