Re: [MBZ] biodiesel anyone
You mean his hoes? Sent from my iPhone On May 17, 2015, at 9:04 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: This video is almost exactly how my operation is Š. except we run WVO thanks, xx rick Rick Hawkins Cool! Send us a video of your girls. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] biodiesel anyone
This video is almost exactly how my operation is . except we run WVO thanks, xx rick Rick Hawkins Cool! Send us a video of your girls. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] biodiesel anyone
Yes, I thought of you when I watched the video ;-) On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 3:16 PM, Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: This video is almost exactly how my operation is …. except we run WVO thanks, xx rick Rick Hawkins -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel anyone?
Oh my that is wicked funny. On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Check out this video on YouTube: http://youtu.be/SppxyRIO3qo Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel to the rescue!
Curt wrote: Once again I hate to interrupt the political talk for something about my car. ;) Keep putting up diesel questions and political talk dies to a dribble. When diesel questions dribble, political talk rises. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel to the rescue!
From: Mountain Man Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2014 10:34 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel to the rescue! Curt wrote: Once again I hate to interrupt the political talk for something about my car. ;) Keep putting up diesel questions and political talk dies to a dribble. When diesel questions dribble, political talk rises. Wise words. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone, That now has PLAIN TEXT! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel to the rescue!
Back after Katrina we were living in Houston and dizzle went to $4something, so I went over to Sams and got a coupla totes of peanut oil or whatever, was like $2something a gallon. I ran that half/half for awhile in the TD and I noticed it ran much more quietly and more smoothly, which at the time I think Marshall or someone attributed to a slower flame front in the oil (i.e., it burns more slowly), not sure what it did to performance as the TD is not a dragster in any sense. But it smelled nice. Given it was about 100F by then, no worries about gelling or other dire consequences, though Marshall promised them if I kept doing it. I have never run bioD so don't know how that would compare. Katrina was caused by the Bushcheneyhalliburton Hurricane Control Machine. --R On 6/20/14 7:52 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: Once again I hate to interrupt the political talk for something about my car. ;) You might remember back to last winter when my 190D refused to start in the cold one day but was fine a couple days later. I'd also noticed that it seemed to idle poorly immediately after starting. Along with all this I was noticing a little shake at idle. I hadn't been driving the car much and Angie never really gets on the highway with it so I figured it was carboned up. I drove it back and forth to work some and it got better but not the improvement I'd hoped for. I picked up some Diesel Purge and Fred sent me some other injectors to try but today I had a little time after work so I swung over to Acton and got a tank of B100. The needle was down below a quarter although the low fuel light hadn't come on yet, I put in 11.5 gallons which is pretty much a full tank. Within 2 miles the shake in the idle had decreased noticeably and of course the car was much quieter, after 33 miles I pulled into my driveway and almost forgot to turn the car off it was so smooth and quiet. I suspect I was helped by the almost 600 foot elevation gain giving a pretty good Italian tune up. Anyway time will tell if its more than just my imagination but I'm pretty pleased. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel to the rescue!
And, if y'all don't watch it, I may hafta throw in another Sondy Tale. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2014 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel to the rescue! Curt wrote: Once again I hate to interrupt the political talk for something about my car. ;) Keep putting up diesel questions and political talk dies to a dribble. When diesel questions dribble, political talk rises. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel to the rescue!
You gotta love the cheap/free fixes! I got some free parts at the dealer today... I had ordered a replacement headlight lens for the W140, as the youngster (through no fault of his own) picked up a rock in the middle of the drivers side xenon headlight. I had also ordered a pair of seals for the backup guide rods, which, if you're not familiar with W140s, are little chrome antennae located on the rear fenders near the corners. When you put the car in reverse these pop up about 6 so you can properly judge the location of the corner of the car. They have a rubber seal with a chrome ring on them, much like an antenna does, and one of them had degraded from the elements to the point where it was breaking down. $16.00/each, wholesale (my price.) Ouch. So I walk in to the parts counter and my parts guy comes up. Come on in back, Dan, there's something I want to show you. He takes me back in the parts warehouse and points to a shelf where there are a bunch of parts piled up. This is where we put the parts that are obsolete or being scrapped because they're old or we can't rotate them back to Mercedes. Look what I found. A pair of backup guide rod seals. Put them in your pocket and let's go. Took a little of the sting out of the $342.00 I paid for the replacement headlight lens Dan Sent from my iPad On Jun 20, 2014, at 7:52 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Once again I hate to interrupt the political talk for something about my car. ;) You might remember back to last winter when my 190D refused to start in the cold one day but was fine a couple days later. I'd also noticed that it seemed to idle poorly immediately after starting. Along with all this I was noticing a little shake at idle. I hadn't been driving the car much and Angie never really gets on the highway with it so I figured it was carboned up. I drove it back and forth to work some and it got better but not the improvement I'd hoped for. I picked up some Diesel Purge and Fred sent me some other injectors to try but today I had a little time after work so I swung over to Acton and got a tank of B100. The needle was down below a quarter although the low fuel light hadn't come on yet, I put in 11.5 gallons which is pretty much a full tank. Within 2 miles the shake in the idle had decreased noticeably and of course the car was much quieter, after 33 miles I pulled into my driveway and almost forgot to turn the car off it was so smooth and quiet. I suspect I was helped by the almost 600 foot elevation gain giving a pretty good Italian tune up. Anyway time will tell if its more than just my imagination but I'm pretty pleased. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel to the rescue!
So Curt, how would you explain this exactly? The B100 cleaned the injectors? Anything else? On Jun 20, 2014 7:52 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Once again I hate to interrupt the political talk for something about my car. ;) You might remember back to last winter when my 190D refused to start in the cold one day but was fine a couple days later. I'd also noticed that it seemed to idle poorly immediately after starting. Along with all this I was noticing a little shake at idle. I hadn't been driving the car much and Angie never really gets on the highway with it so I figured it was carboned up. I drove it back and forth to work some and it got better but not the improvement I'd hoped for. I picked up some Diesel Purge and Fred sent me some other injectors to try but today I had a little time after work so I swung over to Acton and got a tank of B100. The needle was down below a quarter although the low fuel light hadn't come on yet, I put in 11.5 gallons which is pretty much a full tank. Within 2 miles the shake in the idle had decreased noticeably and of course the car was much quieter, after 33 miles I pulled into my driveway and almost forgot to turn the car off it was so smooth and quiet. I suspect I was helped by the almost 600 foot elevation gain giving a pretty good Italian tune up. Anyway time will tell if its more than just my imagination but I'm pretty pleased. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel to the rescue!
B100 has a much better cetane rating that typical american diesel (which is usually really bad in the summer). I buy my fuel at the coop-- local crude distilled down the road with 5% Biodiesel. Works great. When I'm on the road, I try to use BP or Shell, as they are both much better grade #2 diesel that the other brands. Marathon is OK, everything else needs cetane booster in order to run well. I'm half way to curing the shakes and knocking on my 300D -- finally got around to swapping out the bad injector, and now I think it also has a bad delivery valve seal. Might have been the whole problem all along, in fact. Typical symptoms -- hard knock at idle, warm or cold, no smoke now, goes away by 1000 rpm. I am quite pleased by the increase in performance and boost in milage -- finally getting the 31-32 I used to get on the old car on the drive to work. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel to the rescue!
BioD always makes the car quieter, I'd thought it was the lubricative quality which might contribute but I'm told its also in no small part the oxygenating qualities as well. I'm really hoping the cleaning powers will help the injectors. I'll still run the Diesel Purge through, its at 208,000 now so has probably earned it. I've put 43,000 on since we hauled the car out of Craig Pierce's yard... -Curt Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 20:31:47 -0400 From: Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel to the rescue! Message-ID: cah-alp9emeabcltuwfxqnrvssda+x+zjhcunlkhremcpxfo...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 So Curt, how would you explain this exactly? The B100 cleaned the injectors? Anything else? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] BioDiesel plant opportunity
Dieselhead wrote: If anyone is interested in making biodiesel... Why is this bioplant being repo'd? Perhaps FrackOil is pricing seed oil out of the market? Speaking of FrackOil - is there good news about fracking? The stories I hear speak about ruining groundwater. Is all that true about frack? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BioDiesel plant opportunity
Why would I want to buy it now when I can get it out of repo for half ?? (c: On Sunday, February 2, 2014 8:16 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Dieselhead wrote: If anyone is interested in making biodiesel... Why is this bioplant being repo'd? Perhaps FrackOil is pricing seed oil out of the market? Speaking of FrackOil - is there good news about fracking? The stories I hear speak about ruining groundwater. Is all that true about frack? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel and cold weather
6 miles from my parent's house. I'll stop in next time we're up there. -Curt Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 09:20:29 -0500 From: dsereta...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel and cold weather Message-ID: d4e84bbf-df87-4b95-9740-6cad52d07...@yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Here: http://www.mainestandardbiofuels.com/ And the owner, Jarmin, is a cool guy. He drives MB diesels. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel and cold weather
Tell Jarmin that I sent you. I have a lot of respect for him. He started out from scratch and built a whole processing facility. He is about our age! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 14, 2013, at 9:02 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: 6 miles from my parent's house. I'll stop in next time we're up there. -Curt Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 09:20:29 -0500 From: dsereta...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel and cold weather Message-ID: d4e84bbf-df87-4b95-9740-6cad52d07...@yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii Here: http://www.mainestandardbiofuels.com/ And the owner, Jarmin, is a cool guy. He drives MB diesels. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel and cold weather
Which is ? Whippersnapper? ;) Wilt - Original Message - From: dsereta...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel and cold weather Tell Jarmin that I sent you. I have a lot of respect for him. He started out from scratch and built a whole processing facility. He is about our age! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 14, 2013, at 9:02 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: 6 miles from my parent's house. I'll stop in next time we're up there. -Curt Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 09:20:29 -0500 From: dsereta...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel and cold weather Message-ID: d4e84bbf-df87-4b95-9740-6cad52d07...@yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii Here: http://www.mainestandardbiofuels.com/ And the owner, Jarmin, is a cool guy. He drives MB diesels. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel and cold weather
I will stop in January on our way through Portland. On Dec 14, 2013 9:15 AM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: Tell Jarmin that I sent you. I have a lot of respect for him. He started out from scratch and built a whole processing facility. He is about our age! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 14, 2013, at 9:02 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: 6 miles from my parent's house. I'll stop in next time we're up there. -Curt Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 09:20:29 -0500 From: dsereta...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel and cold weather Message-ID: d4e84bbf-df87-4b95-9740-6cad52d07...@yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii Here: http://www.mainestandardbiofuels.com/ And the owner, Jarmin, is a cool guy. He drives MB diesels. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel and cold weather
Wheresitat?
We were in Portland for Thanksgiving, I'd have bought some bio if I'd known
about it, the VW could use its cleaning action. My TDI is old enough ('98) that
bio won't hurt it any.
-Curt
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 18:29:22 -0500
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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] Biodiesel and cold weather
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I discovered a local biodiesel processing plant in Portland, ME. They have a
retail B100 pump as well. I put some in my tank the other day to achieve an
overall 20% blend. The car started and ran just fine this morning despite 7?F
temp!
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Here:
http://www.mainestandardbiofuels.com/
And the owner, Jarmin, is a cool guy. He drives MB diesels.
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 13, 2013, at 8:28 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
Wheresitat?
We were in Portland for Thanksgiving, I'd have bought some bio if I'd known
about it, the VW could use its cleaning action. My TDI is old enough ('98)
that bio won't hurt it any.
-Curt
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 18:29:22 -0500
From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] Biodiesel and cold weather
Message-ID: 5b6bb998-3b69-483a-9719-2b03c6ba0...@yahoo.com
Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8
I discovered a local biodiesel processing plant in Portland, ME. They have a
retail B100 pump as well. I put some in my tank the other day to achieve an
overall 20% blend. The car started and ran just fine this morning despite 7?F
temp!
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Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel and cold weather
20% is probably fine, especially blended with winter fuel, but 100% would be solid in the tank. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel and cold weather
Yes and B20 is enough to give me the French fry smell;) Sent from my iPhone On Dec 12, 2013, at 6:36 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: 20% is probably fine, especially blended with winter fuel, but 100% would be solid in the tank. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel and cold weather
We had a bioD refinery in Newport RI that sold B20, 50 100. They got out of auto fuel business h now just sell home heating bio. Too bad. On Dec 12, 2013 6:57 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes and B20 is enough to give me the French fry smell;) Sent from my iPhone On Dec 12, 2013, at 6:36 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: 20% is probably fine, especially blended with winter fuel, but 100% would be solid in the tank. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel and cold weather
This one capitalizes on auto fuel as well. They fuel all the Oakhurst dairy trucks. Their B20 home heating oil is also competitively priced. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 12, 2013, at 7:52 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com wrote: We had a bioD refinery in Newport RI that sold B20, 50 100. They got out of auto fuel business h now just sell home heating bio. Too bad. On Dec 12, 2013 6:57 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes and B20 is enough to give me the French fry smell;) Sent from my iPhone On Dec 12, 2013, at 6:36 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: 20% is probably fine, especially blended with winter fuel, but 100% would be solid in the tank. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel and cold weather
Neat. I wish our bioD refiner had done that. I had return lines on 90 300D changed to viton for bioD. On Dec 12, 2013 8:01 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: This one capitalizes on auto fuel as well. They fuel all the Oakhurst dairy trucks. Their B20 home heating oil is also competitively priced. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 12, 2013, at 7:52 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com wrote: We had a bioD refinery in Newport RI that sold B20, 50 100. They got out of auto fuel business h now just sell home heating bio. Too bad. On Dec 12, 2013 6:57 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes and B20 is enough to give me the French fry smell;) Sent from my iPhone On Dec 12, 2013, at 6:36 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: 20% is probably fine, especially blended with winter fuel, but 100% would be solid in the tank. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel and cold weather
i've run B100 almost exclusively for over 100K miles now over the last decade, and have started our 617 when snow was over a foot deep on the hood and it had been sitting for several days. temps were probably never lower than in the teens (F*), but it would seem that many of the alleged concerns about running BioD are wildly overblown. (it also makes a difference what the stock was that the BioDiesel was made from. also, if it's commercially produced, you might ask whether or not it has any winterizing additives; some does.) it takes noticeably longer for the engine to come up to 'normal' operating temps when compared to #2, but that's to be expected when using a fuel that produces less waste heat. cheers! e On 12/Dec/13 15:29, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: I discovered a local biodiesel processing plant in Portland, ME. They have a retail B100 pump as well. I put some in my tank the other day to achieve an overall 20% blend. The car started and ran just fine this morning despite 7°F temp! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] biodiesel shipments
Either gaming for incentives or dodging taxes or import / export duties. Smells rotten. Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD '73 Balboa 20 Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: They shipped the same stuff across a border repeatedly, are they gaming some sort of gov't incentive program? http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/11/30/cn-biodiesel-mystery-shipment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] biodiesel shipments
Is there still a $1/gallon tax incentive for producing biodiesel? On Thursday, December 6, 2012, Mitch Haley wrote: They shipped the same stuff across a border repeatedly, are they gaming some sort of gov't incentive program? http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/**story/2012/11/30/cn-biodiesel-** mystery-shipment.htmlhttp://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/11/30/cn-biodiesel-mystery-shipment.html __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel 300TD in FL - some questions
judging by the extra unexplained plumbing visible in the engine compartment on the port-side fender, someone has tried to do a Veggie Oil conversion on this car, and not done it well. (there is no conversion necessary for BioDiesel.) while you might get away with this for a while, (perhaps longer in Floriduh where it's warmer,) the fact that the seller doesn't seem to know the difference between BioDiesel and/or Veggie Oil/BioFuels is a Red Flag. cheers! e andrew strasfogel wrote: I find it disconcerting that the seller doesn't explain how the biodiesel system works. I can't figure out is why he disabled the cargo bay to place a gasoline can to fill with the alternate fuel. Or is it an auxiliary tank? Where is the switchover valve under the hood? Can the car still run on plain diesel, filled the normal way? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-300-TD-1983-biodiesel-300-TD-Wagon_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem45eedc00c7QQitemZ300360138951QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTrucks ___ http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel Plant + 85 MB 300d - $2500 (Amesbury)
On Sun, 31 May 2009 20:09:03 -0700 (PDT) fred.s...@verizon.net wrote: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/200905 31/1ad2b0ce/attachment.pl -- next part -- The email to a friend feature of Craig's list apparently doesn't work with okiebenz. Try, http://boston.craigslist.org/nos/cto/1198651154.html Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel Plant + 85 MB 300d - $2500 (Amesbury)
Mea Culpa. The listing was to ask:- Why doesn't his car start? I wonder why! Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel Preferred At 11:29 PM 5/31/2009, you wrote: On Sun, 31 May 2009 20:09:03 -0700 (PDT) fred.s...@verizon.net wrote: The email to a friend feature of Craig's list apparently doesn't work with okiebenz. Try, http://boston.craigslist.org/nos/cto/1198651154.html Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [Biodiesel] 1982 300TD F/S
price? TimothyPilgrim wrote: Anybody need a W123 wagon? It's in rough but running condition, currently near Kingston, Ontario, Canada. If nobody inquires immediately, the local dealer's getting it for a song. I'm not interested in arranging long distance transport. I'm either looking for a somewhat local buyer or someone willing to pick it up. I'm also not parting it out. Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/timothypilgrim/sets/72157594304858174/ The paint is worn and not nearly as nice as in the photos, but who knows, it might just buff out. It fired up on the first try the other day after sitting all winter. Tim 1982 300TD 1991 300TE 4Matic 2000 Golf TDI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/biodiesel_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.2/1609 - Release Date: 8/13/2008 6:43 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 560SL, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [Biodiesel] this stupid Okie is going to blow up his diesel
yea, its bad news dave walton wrote: That's the Diesel Secret recipe (http://www.dieselsecret.com/). Modern day equivalent of Stone Soup. -Dave Walton On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 2:33 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.newson6.com/Global/story.asp?S=8068483 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/biodiesel_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [Biodiesel] this stupid Okie is going to blow uphis diesel
The article says he claims to have done it for 2 years and saved himself $8K on fuel. He should be able to put another motor in for the $8K so he is still breaking even. Just don't buy the used truck from him just before it gives up. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 4:57 PM To: Biodiesel Discussion List Cc: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] [Biodiesel] this stupid Okie is going to blow uphis diesel yea, its bad news dave walton wrote: That's the Diesel Secret recipe (http://www.dieselsecret.com/). Modern day equivalent of Stone Soup. -Dave Walton On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 2:33 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.newson6.com/Global/story.asp?S=8068483 -- -- K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [Biodiesel] Appleseed reactor and quality fuel production
hi Luther! you may be perhaps assuming a good deal less swirling than what i've observed; there's not likely 35 gals of anything sitting... and how much difference does it really make if the reaction happens sooner or later? nobody's standing there holding their breath waiting for it. ;-) i know Mark; she's dined at this very table. i've never heard her talk about this, but i'll ask her next time we speak. not likely we'll ever see anything complying with 6751; for one, last time i checked, that only applies to B20 blends, and (as you may know) isn't really attainable unless you're working with oil from Soy, thanks to the Soy Growers and their friends at the National Biodiesel Board who drafted the standard that eventually got adopted. infopo(o)p, eh? jeeze,... 20 pages of conflicting info on just this topic alone; a good example of just one reason why i no longer look in there very often! ;-) so; any chance you'll address the rest of my points in my last post to you? cheers! e Luther wrote: The only mixing action happens at the pump and where your swirling happens at the top. What happens in the other 35 gal of the tank? The liquids just sit there and do NOTHING that helps the reaction. They do start to separate the BioD and glycerin apart, but only to be re-mixed by the pump later. This is a known and accepted fact by the designer of the Appleseed, Maria Girl Mark Alovert. When you work with 1L test batches (Dr.Pepper style), you mix the complete reaction by shaking the bottle. This way can acheive high conversion BioD that is very close to, if not complying with ASTM 6751. Do you do any conversion testing of your finished BioD? Using the 3/27 (Jan Warnqvist's method) method? http://biodiesel.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9411061471/m/8281092351 Here are the basic ASTM tests at an affordable cost. http://www.utahbiodieselsupply.com/biodieseltesting.php If you test, you might find that the Appleseed reactor will not produce ASTM quality fuel in a one stage method. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel making on Dirty Jobs TV show
On 6/26/07, Paulo Shaanker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This, I guess, was not the conversion route with kit installed in car. Instead, it was a great big apparatus in the guy's garage that formulated usable fuel. This device was larger than anything I've seen before, with numerous steps. He even made a test batch to be sure the quality was right. I must say, I wouldn't be interested in this elaborate scheme. I was attracted to the idea of simply filtering (filtering well, of course) the WVO and then using it in a converted car. Biodiesel != WVO. Paulo Shaanker ?= Zoltan Finks. Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel making on Dirty Jobs TV show
Paulo Shaanker wrote: Did anybody catch the episode of Dirty Jobs on the Discovery Channel the other day that showed biodiesel making? Actually the real dirty job portion of the episode dealt with the cleaning up of a mexican kitchen, but for some reason they went in depth into one guy's process for collecting and refining WVO for his Datsun diesel truck. Yep, it was a pretty good episode... if a little light on the process. This, I guess, was not the conversion route with kit installed in car. Instead, it was a great big apparatus in the guy's garage that formulated usable fuel. This device was larger than anything I've seen before, with numerous steps. He even made a test batch to be sure the quality was right. I must say, I wouldn't be interested in this elaborate scheme. I was attracted to the idea of simply filtering (filtering well, of course) the WVO and then using it in a converted car. That was a HUGE setup... I think he was the neighborhood biodiesel supplier... it just wasn't mentioned for tax liability reasons. ;) If you'd like a more reasonable 'fit in your shed' kind of thing google appleseed reactor That being said you still would have to make a test batch, etc. Thats why you don't have to do anything to your car, and you don't have to worry about mixing it so that the WVO doesn't turn to gel. Or running it on regular diesel for the first few and last few minutes of each drive. YMMV John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel making on Dirty Jobs TV show
John Robbins wrote: That was a HUGE setup... I think he was the neighborhood biodiesel supplier... it just wasn't mentioned for tax liability reasons. ;) If you'd like a more reasonable 'fit in your shed' kind of thing google appleseed reactor There was a fellow on the mbz.org diesel list, from AL or AR I believe, who got 50 gallons a week from a catfish restaurant. Had a surplus vacuum pump from a hospital, used it to reclaim his methanol, did his transesterfication in a junk electric water heater. The whole rig was fairly compact and partly automated, oil was pumped, not handled by him. Seemed pretty advanced for 2003. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel making on Dirty Jobs TV show
If you thought that setup was huge, you should see the one Dr. Dan has for sale. The appleseed processor is really not that great of a deal. If you want more details about that, ask Dr. Dan on the biodiesel list. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel making on Dirty Jobs TV show Paulo Shaanker wrote: Did anybody catch the episode of Dirty Jobs on the Discovery Channel the other day that showed biodiesel making? Actually the real dirty job portion of the episode dealt with the cleaning up of a mexican kitchen, but for some reason they went in depth into one guy's process for collecting and refining WVO for his Datsun diesel truck. Yep, it was a pretty good episode... if a little light on the process. This, I guess, was not the conversion route with kit installed in car. Instead, it was a great big apparatus in the guy's garage that formulated usable fuel. This device was larger than anything I've seen before, with numerous steps. He even made a test batch to be sure the quality was right. I must say, I wouldn't be interested in this elaborate scheme. I was attracted to the idea of simply filtering (filtering well, of course) the WVO and then using it in a converted car. That was a HUGE setup... I think he was the neighborhood biodiesel supplier... it just wasn't mentioned for tax liability reasons. ;) If you'd like a more reasonable 'fit in your shed' kind of thing google appleseed reactor That being said you still would have to make a test batch, etc. Thats why you don't have to do anything to your car, and you don't have to worry about mixing it so that the WVO doesn't turn to gel. Or running it on regular diesel for the first few and last few minutes of each drive. YMMV John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel making on Dirty Jobs TV show
hi Kaleb! what's *not* to like about the Appleseed design? i put mine together for ~$200 nearly 3 years ago, and haven't had a problem with it yet,... cheers! e Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: If you thought that setup was huge, you should see the one Dr. Dan has for sale. The appleseed processor is really not that great of a deal. If you want more details about that, ask Dr. Dan on the biodiesel list. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel making on Dirty Jobs TV show Paulo Shaanker wrote: Did anybody catch the episode of Dirty Jobs on the Discovery Channel the other day that showed biodiesel making? Actually the real dirty job portion of the episode dealt with the cleaning up of a mexican kitchen, but for some reason they went in depth into one guy's process for collecting and refining WVO for his Datsun diesel truck. Yep, it was a pretty good episode... if a little light on the process. This, I guess, was not the conversion route with kit installed in car. Instead, it was a great big apparatus in the guy's garage that formulated usable fuel. This device was larger than anything I've seen before, with numerous steps. He even made a test batch to be sure the quality was right. I must say, I wouldn't be interested in this elaborate scheme. I was attracted to the idea of simply filtering (filtering well, of course) the WVO and then using it in a converted car. That was a HUGE setup... I think he was the neighborhood biodiesel supplier... it just wasn't mentioned for tax liability reasons. ;) If you'd like a more reasonable 'fit in your shed' kind of thing google appleseed reactor That being said you still would have to make a test batch, etc. Thats why you don't have to do anything to your car, and you don't have to worry about mixing it so that the WVO doesn't turn to gel. Or running it on regular diesel for the first few and last few minutes of each drive. YMMV John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel making on Dirty Jobs TV show
Like I said, that is a discussion for the biodiesel list. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor 918-746-1400 x305 - Original Message - From: ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel making on Dirty Jobs TV show hi Kaleb! what's *not* to like about the Appleseed design? i put mine together for ~$200 nearly 3 years ago, and haven't had a problem with it yet,... cheers! e Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: If you thought that setup was huge, you should see the one Dr. Dan has for sale. The appleseed processor is really not that great of a deal. If you want more details about that, ask Dr. Dan on the biodiesel list. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel making on Dirty Jobs TV show Paulo Shaanker wrote: Did anybody catch the episode of Dirty Jobs on the Discovery Channel the other day that showed biodiesel making? Actually the real dirty job portion of the episode dealt with the cleaning up of a mexican kitchen, but for some reason they went in depth into one guy's process for collecting and refining WVO for his Datsun diesel truck. Yep, it was a pretty good episode... if a little light on the process. This, I guess, was not the conversion route with kit installed in car. Instead, it was a great big apparatus in the guy's garage that formulated usable fuel. This device was larger than anything I've seen before, with numerous steps. He even made a test batch to be sure the quality was right. I must say, I wouldn't be interested in this elaborate scheme. I was attracted to the idea of simply filtering (filtering well, of course) the WVO and then using it in a converted car. That was a HUGE setup... I think he was the neighborhood biodiesel supplier... it just wasn't mentioned for tax liability reasons. ;) If you'd like a more reasonable 'fit in your shed' kind of thing google appleseed reactor That being said you still would have to make a test batch, etc. Thats why you don't have to do anything to your car, and you don't have to worry about mixing it so that the WVO doesn't turn to gel. Or running it on regular diesel for the first few and last few minutes of each drive. YMMV John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel making on Dirty Jobs TV show
actually, what you said was to ask Dr Dan on the Biodiesel list, after you put it down here... since you put down the Appleseed design here (not on the BioDiesel list) and not everyone here is on the BioD list, it's not unreasonable that you might expound on that here (especially this entire thread has been related to BioD, and given all the off-topic banter exchanged and apparently tolerated here!). cheers! e Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: Like I said, that is a discussion for the biodiesel list. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor 918-746-1400 x305 - Original Message - From: ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel making on Dirty Jobs TV show hi Kaleb! what's *not* to like about the Appleseed design? i put mine together for ~$200 nearly 3 years ago, and haven't had a problem with it yet,... cheers! e Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: If you thought that setup was huge, you should see the one Dr. Dan has for sale. The appleseed processor is really not that great of a deal. If you want more details about that, ask Dr. Dan on the biodiesel list. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel making on Dirty Jobs TV show Paulo Shaanker wrote: Did anybody catch the episode of Dirty Jobs on the Discovery Channel the other day that showed biodiesel making? Actually the real dirty job portion of the episode dealt with the cleaning up of a mexican kitchen, but for some reason they went in depth into one guy's process for collecting and refining WVO for his Datsun diesel truck. Yep, it was a pretty good episode... if a little light on the process. This, I guess, was not the conversion route with kit installed in car. Instead, it was a great big apparatus in the guy's garage that formulated usable fuel. This device was larger than anything I've seen before, with numerous steps. He even made a test batch to be sure the quality was right. I must say, I wouldn't be interested in this elaborate scheme. I was attracted to the idea of simply filtering (filtering well, of course) the WVO and then using it in a converted car. That was a HUGE setup... I think he was the neighborhood biodiesel supplier... it just wasn't mentioned for tax liability reasons. ;) If you'd like a more reasonable 'fit in your shed' kind of thing google appleseed reactor That being said you still would have to make a test batch, etc. Thats why you don't have to do anything to your car, and you don't have to worry about mixing it so that the WVO doesn't turn to gel. Or running it on regular diesel for the first few and last few minutes of each drive. YMMV John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel making on Dirty Jobs TV show
Flaws of the Appleseed design. The only mixing action happens right in the pump and at the pumped re-entry at the top of the liquid. Also, there is the potential that every time the pump produces it's vacuum, some of the methanol is flashed and allows the KOH/NaOH to fall out of solution. Both Dan and myself use a sealed/stirred type reactor which allows for a higher rate of conversion and shorter reaction times. Luther On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:31:52 -0500, ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: actually, what you said was to ask Dr Dan on the Biodiesel list, after you put it down here... since you put down the Appleseed design here (not on the BioDiesel list) and not everyone here is on the BioD list, it's not unreasonable that you might expound on that here (especially this entire thread has been related to BioD, and given all the off-topic banter exchanged and apparently tolerated here!). cheers! e Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: Like I said, that is a discussion for the biodiesel list. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor 918-746-1400 x305 - Original Message - From: ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel making on Dirty Jobs TV show hi Kaleb! what's *not* to like about the Appleseed design? i put mine together for ~$200 nearly 3 years ago, and haven't had a problem with it yet,... cheers! e -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel making on Dirty Jobs TV show
No to mention that thing can clog up when it doesnt get mixed etc properly. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel making on Dirty Jobs TV show Flaws of the Appleseed design. The only mixing action happens right in the pump and at the pumped re-entry at the top of the liquid. Also, there is the potential that every time the pump produces it's vacuum, some of the methanol is flashed and allows the KOH/NaOH to fall out of solution. Both Dan and myself use a sealed/stirred type reactor which allows for a higher rate of conversion and shorter reaction times. Luther On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:31:52 -0500, ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: actually, what you said was to ask Dr Dan on the Biodiesel list, after you put it down here... since you put down the Appleseed design here (not on the BioDiesel list) and not everyone here is on the BioD list, it's not unreasonable that you might expound on that here (especially this entire thread has been related to BioD, and given all the off-topic banter exchanged and apparently tolerated here!). cheers! e Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: Like I said, that is a discussion for the biodiesel list. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor 918-746-1400 x305 - Original Message - From: ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel making on Dirty Jobs TV show hi Kaleb! what's *not* to like about the Appleseed design? i put mine together for ~$200 nearly 3 years ago, and haven't had a problem with it yet,... cheers! e -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel making on Dirty Jobs TV show
That's not a design flaw, that is due to operator error :D Luther On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 16:33:37 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No to mention that thing can clog up when it doesnt get mixed etc properly. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel making on Dirty Jobs TV show
(note; i'm copying this to the BioDiesel list since no-one else has yet on the chance that there's anyone there that's not here and might want to participate.) interesting theories, Luther. i guess i just don't seem to see any of the problems you allude to being possible. notes: i was taught to position the re-entry flow so as to create and maintain a good swirling action in the mix tank; seems to work pretty effectively. i was also taught to try to make sure the methanol/methoxide is well mixed before use, and to trickle-feed it by gravity into the pump; reaction is immediately and dramatically visible in the clear tubing downstream from the pump, and i don't see any reason to believe it can't continue in the swirling of the reaction tank. reaction time doesn't seem to be much of a factor for most home brewers i know; it's already a sort of 'set-and-forget' timed process at each stage anyway. what advantages are you seeing to the sealed/stirred reactor type you mention? to be fair, could you also address what downsides there might be (aside from its additional complexity) and what kinds of costs are associated with it? cheers/73! e n6zes Luther wrote: Flaws of the Appleseed design. The only mixing action happens right in the pump and at the pumped re-entry at the top of the liquid. Also, there is the potential that every time the pump produces it's vacuum, some of the methanol is flashed and allows the KOH/NaOH to fall out of solution. Both Dan and myself use a sealed/stirred type reactor which allows for a higher rate of conversion and shorter reaction times. Luther On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:31:52 -0500, ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: actually, what you said was to ask Dr Dan on the Biodiesel list, after you put it down here... since you put down the Appleseed design here (not on the BioDiesel list) and not everyone here is on the BioD list, it's not unreasonable that you might expound on that here (especially this entire thread has been related to BioD, and given all the off-topic banter exchanged and apparently tolerated here!). cheers! e Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: Like I said, that is a discussion for the biodiesel list. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor 918-746-1400 x305 - Original Message - From: ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel making on Dirty Jobs TV show hi Kaleb! what's *not* to like about the Appleseed design? i put mine together for ~$200 nearly 3 years ago, and haven't had a problem with it yet,... cheers! e ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [Biodiesel] This weeks used parts specials 5/10/07
This looks like a pretty sweet deal for someone $500 for a '84 300TD veg oil conversion that needs transmission... In Ohio... only a few hours left. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemsspagename=ADME%3AB%3ASS%3AUS%3A1viewitem=item=320112664149 Cheers, David Curtis --- Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://motors.search.ebay.com/_W0QQfrppZ50QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQrdZ0QQsassZokieQ2dbenz -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/biodiesel_okiebenz.com Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=graduation+giftscs=bz
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel from animal fats
If they could keep the price down (its a waste product after all) maybe this would be useful for railroads. I believe they usually heat their fuel anyway as bunker fuel likes to go solid. I spent some time doing survey work for the railroad back years ago and was told they didn't shut the engines down from November till May -Curt Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 13:34:24 -0500 From: Chris Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel from animal fats To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed It seems like that woulc be a great idea, except for the gell point of animal fats being higher than that of plant based fats. Lard, chicken fat, and tallow are all solid at room temperature and higher. Ghee which is basicly clarified butter, is also solid at room temperature. Olive oil, rapeseed, and most other vegetable fats are liquid to much lower temperatures. This could limit the usefulness of biodiesel made from these fats to warmer climates/summertime use only. On the other hand, bacon flavored biodiesel exhaust! Yummy! Chris - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Apr 23 11:58:16 2007 Received: from mail.atlasok.com ([70.184.24.3]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1HfxBP-0001zP-GV for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 11:58:15 + Received: (qmail 10645 invoked by uid 508); 23 Apr 2007 06:58:16 -0500 Received: from 70.184.20.238 by mail2.atlasok.com (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED], uid 508) with qmail-scanner-2.01st (clamdscan: 0.90rc2/2954. spamassassin: 2.x. perlscan: 2.01st. Clear:RC:1(70.184.20.238):. Processed in 0.034085 secs); 23 Apr 2007 11:58:16 - Received: from 70-184-20-238.atlasok.com (HELO [192.168.1.101]) (70.184.20.238) by mail.atlasok.com with SMTP; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 06:58:16 -0500 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 06:58:16 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] An SDL Saturday to remember X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 11:58:23 - damn OK Don wrote: Then you should have stopped by and admired my oil slick. I'd have treated you to smoked ribs. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel from animal fats
Rich thought: Next they will be catching McDonalds, Denny's, and KFC customers coming out the doors...that could solve our energy issues right there. Lends a whole new meaning to hauling ass. Bob R.
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel from animal fats
It seems like that woulc be a great idea, except for the gell point of animal fats being higher than that of plant based fats. Lard, chicken fat, and tallow are all solid at room temperature and higher. Ghee which is basicly clarified butter, is also solid at room temperature. Olive oil, rapeseed, and most other vegetable fats are liquid to much lower temperatures. This could limit the usefulness of biodiesel made from these fats to warmer climates/summertime use only. On the other hand, bacon flavored biodiesel exhaust! Yummy! Chris On 4/17/07, Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rich thought: Next they will be catching McDonalds, Denny's, and KFC customers coming out the doors...that could solve our energy issues right there. Lends a whole new meaning to hauling ass. Bob R. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel from animal fats
or you could have inline or in-tank heating elements to keep the stuff liquid. One solution is easier than the other. On 4/17/07, Chris Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems like that woulc be a great idea, except for the gell point of animal fats being higher than that of plant based fats. Lard, chicken fat, and tallow are all solid at room temperature and higher. Ghee which is basicly clarified butter, is also solid at room temperature. Olive oil, rapeseed, and most other vegetable fats are liquid to much lower temperatures. This could limit the usefulness of biodiesel made from these fats to warmer climates/summertime use only. On the other hand, bacon flavored biodiesel exhaust! Yummy! Chris On 4/17/07, Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rich thought: Next they will be catching McDonalds, Denny's, and KFC customers coming out the doors...that could solve our energy issues right there. Lends a whole new meaning to hauling ass. Bob R. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 290Kmi - for sale [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel from animal fats
If they only add 0.0001% alternative fuel sources to the existing production, they will reap 100's of millions in biofuel tax credits without affecting fuel quality. With a little creative chemistry the biofuel additives will not even appear in road fuel. It will all end up in asphalt. -Dave Walton On 4/17/07, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ConocoPhilips and Tyson are going to team up to make BioD from chicken fat, and beef/pork fat too. 175M gal/yr they say. Was an article in WSJ yesterday, one in the Houston Comical today. Next they will be catching McDonalds, Denny's, and KFC customers coming out the doors...that could solve our energy issues right there. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel from animal fats
Kansas City experimented some years back with BioD made from beef fat in its bus fleet and it was successful...don't know any details...I am sure it was a blend of some sort. For a city known for Bar-b-q, I think it's an ingenious marketing ploy to fill the city with the smell of beef and pork. Now, would pork fat biodiesel fumes cause problems for Jews and Muslims? What about BioD derived from non-Kosher/non-Halal beef? Chris dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If they only add 0.0001% alternative fuel sources to the existing production, they will reap 100's of millions in biofuel tax credits without affecting fuel quality. With a little creative chemistry the biofuel additives will not even appear in road fuel. It will all end up in asphalt. -Dave Walton On 4/17/07, Rich Thomas wrote: ConocoPhilips and Tyson are going to team up to make BioD from chicken fat, and beef/pork fat too. 175M gal/yr they say. Was an article in WSJ yesterday, one in the Houston Comical today. Next they will be catching McDonalds, Denny's, and KFC customers coming out the doors...that could solve our energy issues right there. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Christopher McCann, happy customer of austerlitzshepherds.com Ohne Zucht keine Leistung, ohne Leistung keine Zucht! -2006 GSD, Anke (Yanke von der Burg Austerlitz) -2006 GSD, Sammy (Zane von der Burg Austerlitz) Freude an der Arbeit: Hoechste Leistung - Mercedes-Benz. -1985 300SD, 220K miles, Wulf -1982 300Dt, 117K miles, little blue klatter box - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Apr 17 19:40:29 2007 Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net ([216.148.227.154]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1HdtXR-0001v3-Dh for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 19:40:29 + Received: from kevlaptop (c-24-21-57-15.hsd1.mn.comcast.net[24.21.57.15]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id 20070417194022m1400iojpce; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 19:40:22 + Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:40:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: [MBZ] Dodge Cummins Pickups- - was Re: Fickle Love X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 19:40:29 - What year is your truck? Does it have a 5 speed manny? I believe you mentioned that it has the Bosch VE IP rather than the rotary type on the 1st gen Cummins engines which would classify it as a 2nd gen Cummins, no electronic crap. Regarding the longer rev range, I believe mine redlines at either 3600 or 3800RPM. It sure is a lot quieter than my neighbor's 2000 3rd gen 24v engine. I heard that the 5.9L Cummins is being phased out and replaced with a 6.7L model. BTW, I wasn't referring to driving the truck on the beach at Long Beach although we did get it stuck in the sand last time out and got pulled out by some nice Canadians. They were romping around in a VW Acapulco Thing and came back with their ford PowerChoke 6.0L pickup. We go to the Eagle's Nest Resort in Ilwaco a few times a year with the travel trailer, and go down to the beach with the RC's and to let the doggies have a good run. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 267K miles, Ursula
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel from animal fats
Anyone happen to know what the daily consumption of diesel fuel (in gallons) is in the USA? I'm just curious how much 175M gallons represents. Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ConocoPhilips and Tyson are going to team up to make BioD from chicken fat, and beef/pork fat too. 175M gal/yr they say. Was an article in WSJ yesterday, one in the Houston Comical today. Next they will be catching McDonalds, Denny's, and KFC customers coming out the doors...that could solve our energy issues right there. --R -- 1983 300D 1966 230
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Amen! Bob R - Original Message - From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel from animal fats If they only add 0.0001% alternative fuel sources to the existing production, they will reap 100's of millions in biofuel tax credits without affecting fuel quality. With a little creative chemistry the biofuel additives will not even appear in road fuel. It will all end up in asphalt. -Dave Walton On 4/17/07, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ConocoPhilips and Tyson are going to team up to make BioD from chicken fat, and beef/pork fat too. 175M gal/yr they say. Was an article in WSJ yesterday, one in the Houston Comical today. Next they will be catching McDonalds, Denny's, and KFC customers coming out the doors...that could solve our energy issues right there. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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There's a turkey biodiesel plant near the Con Agra turkey processing plant in Carthage Missouri that's been doing just that for a couple of years. Problem is they miscalculated operating costs ( turns out that the gvmnt didn't outlaw feeding animal parts back to the animals , Mad cow disease anyone?? ) so they are having to pay for the waste instead of getting it for free. Tyson ought to be able to pull it off since they are in a closed system for by-product processing within their company( they own their own rendering plants already ). Robert Rich Thomas wrote: ConocoPhilips and Tyson are going to team up to make BioD from chicken fat, and beef/pork fat too. 175M gal/yr they say. Was an article in WSJ yesterday, one in the Houston Comical today. Next they will be catching McDonalds, Denny's, and KFC customers coming out the doors...that could solve our energy issues right there. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Dave exposed the real gig. Just a ploy to get more bucks from us via Uncle. At 03:16 PM 4/17/2007, you wrote: Amen! Bob R - Original Message - From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel from animal fats If they only add 0.0001% alternative fuel sources to the existing production, they will reap 100's of millions in biofuel tax credits without affecting fuel quality. With a little creative chemistry the biofuel additives will not even appear in road fuel. It will all end up in asphalt. -Dave Walton On 4/17/07, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ConocoPhilips and Tyson are going to team up to make BioD from chicken fat, and beef/pork fat too. 175M gal/yr they say. Was an article in WSJ yesterday, one in the Houston Comical today. Next they will be catching McDonalds, Denny's, and KFC customers coming out the doors...that could solve our energy issues right there. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth
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Soylent green BioD. nothing new At 12:34 PM 4/17/2007, you wrote: Next they will be catching McDonalds, Denny's, and KFC customers coming out the doors...that could solve our energy issues right there. --R Loren Faeth
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel from animal fats
This would create quite a conundrum for the greenie petas, on the one had a renewable fuel, but one derived from animal products. Then there is the whole religious aspect. --R Chris Lane wrote: It seems like that woulc be a great idea, except for the gell point of animal fats being higher than that of plant based fats. Lard, chicken fat, and tallow are all solid at room temperature and higher. Ghee which is basicly clarified butter, is also solid at room temperature. Olive oil, rapeseed, and most other vegetable fats are liquid to much lower temperatures. This could limit the usefulness of biodiesel made from these fats to warmer climates/summertime use only. On the other hand, bacon flavored biodiesel exhaust! Yummy! Chris On 4/17/07, Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rich thought: Next they will be catching McDonalds, Denny's, and KFC customers coming out the doors...that could solve our energy issues right there. Lends a whole new meaning to hauling ass. Bob R. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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They said it was not a very large fraction of daily or annual usage, but it was dealing with a product that was in good supply for faily cheap, and displacing food crops. Also, tax credits were a substantial element of the cost-effectiveness of the whole deal. I have sorta mixed feelings about tax aspects, as that really clouds up the real costs of doing something, and comparative economics. Some argue that the energy independence aspect offsets lost govt revenue and paying for wars for oil (the price of both keep going up, so neither appears to be too effective, but I digress...), while others say it is a gift to the all bidness. --R Allan Streib wrote: Anyone happen to know what the daily consumption of diesel fuel (in gallons) is in the USA? I'm just curious how much 175M gallons represents. R
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel coops in Sacramento area
many people would say Sacramento *needs* a good reason for them to move to it! ;-) but seriously; there are several commercial vendors of BioD in the Greater SF Bay Area, and several Co-Ops as well. from what i'm reading, they're springing up all over the place. cheers! e (and i never get why people always seem to say BioD smells like French Fries; it always just reminds me of oil in a hot wok,...) andrew strasfogel wrote: This sounds like a very good reason to move to Sacramento Biodiesel co-ops fill demand for green fuel For exhaust that smells like french fries, you need an appointment. By Jim Downing - Bee Staff Writer Published 12:00 am PST Tuesday, January 2, 2007 Story appeared in BUSINESS section, Page D2 Print http://www.sacbee.com/103/v-print/story/101544.html | E-Mailhttp://www.sacbee.com/103/v-email/story/101544.html| Comments (4) http://www.sacbee.com/103/story/101544.html#comments_here Will Semmes, left, fills the tank of his car with biodiesel fuel from a home-based co-op run by Obadiah Batholomy, background. Sacramento Bee/Jay Mather Biodiesel: It's clean, green, made in America and makes your exhaust smell like french fries. Want to get some? Get ready for a fuel-buying adventure. The nation's production of biodiesel is booming -- it's set to triple this year. http://ads.sacbee.com/RealMedia/ads/click_lx.ads/www.sacbee.com/content/business/237412903/Button20/Sacbee/Morrison_BS_336_0701_XXX/Morrison_300x250.gif/6363376335636665343265383930 But finding the fuel in Sacramento remains a challenge. And it's likely to remain so, even as the fuel gains in popularity and becomes more plentiful. A biodiesel fill-up -- assuming you have a vehicle that burns diesel fuel -- starts with an e-mail to Steve Bash, a longtime biodiesel guru in Carmichael. Bash provides a phone number for one of the region's half-dozen biodiesel co-operatives, the chief way area consumers can now purchase the fuel. A call is made, an appointment set. The trail could lead to a narrow driveway in Land Park with a view of the sun setting on the Tower Theatre. Here, Obadiah Bartholomy, a 27-year-old SMUD engineer, keeps a 250-gallon tank of biodiesel in his one-car garage. Still in his clothes from the office, he trundles it down the driveway on a hydraulic jack. On top of the tank, Bartholomy has rigged a pump and a meter. A fuel filter hangs from baling wire and plumber's tape. A 2002 Volkswagen Jetta backs into the driveway, and Will Semmes, in a blue-checked shirt and red tie, climbs out. Using a white cloth, he takes the greasy fuel hose. Bartholomy turns on the pump and keeps his hand on the switch while Semmes listens for the sound of an impending overflow: There's no auto-shutoff. Afterward, Semmes settles up. The cost: $3.62 a gallon, compared with $2.99 diesel at the Chevron station around the corner. Semmes paid $80 cash for his last two fill-ups. For that, he got fuel-buying ecstasy. It's a totally different experience from buying petroleum diesel, he said. You actually feel good about buying gas. When's the last time that happened? For Semmes and other local biodiesel fans, the charm of buying fuel through a personal network outweighs the hassle and extra expense. They cite what they say are biodiesel's virtues: • Burning biodiesel cuts net carbon dioxide emissions by 70 percent or more, compared with burning petroleum diesel. • Biodiesel supports U.S. farmers and doesn't have to be imported. • Biodiesel generally produces fewer pollutants than standard diesel, though it does release slightly higher concentrations of some smog-forming gases. • And, of course, biodiesel smells like comfort food. A former platoon commander in the Marines and now the director of the California Conservation Corps, Semmes said he started buying biodiesel not long after the Sept. 11 terror attacks, when he began to see reducing the nation's dependence on foreign oil as essential. I don't need to buy from the Saudis anymore, he said. We've been treating our oil suppliers like gas stations, and now we're paying the price in so many ways. Bartholomy got into biodiesel at California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo, and built a trailer-mounted biodiesel refinery for his senior project. He volunteered his garage as a distribution node in 2004, and now has about 15 regular customers. Bartholomy isn't in the veggie-fuel business for the money. He sells the fuel at cost, after collecting a $25 membership fee from his customers, which partially covers his investment in the equipment -- the tank, jack, pump and meter -- he keeps in his garage. Running a filling station out of one's garage is a bit of a hassle, Bartholomy said -- though at least he doesn't have to drive anywhere to fill up his own vehicle, a 1981 Volkswagen pickup. He generally meets customers in the evening. Most of his buyers tend not to drive much, he said, so they fill up only once every few weeks. And if the
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel coops in Sacramento area
There's no mention of any road/fuel tax being collected on this co-op fuel -- while I don't like paying taxes any more than the next guy, fuel taxes are one of the few where the amount you pay bears a relationship to the benefit you derive (i.e. your use of the roads). Is bio-diesel exempt from tax? Or are the co-ops dodging it? Or was the topic simply omitted from the article? Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
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Allan Streib wrote: There's no mention of any road/fuel tax being collected on this co-op fuel -- while I don't like paying taxes any more than the next guy, fuel taxes are one of the few where the amount you pay bears a relationship to the benefit you derive (i.e. your use of the roads). it stated their pricing and that they're they're buying it commercially; taxes are paid. Is bio-diesel exempt from tax? no. Or are the co-ops dodging it? not this one, since they're just buying it commercially; maybe others are if they're making it (though they are invited to declare it on their annual taxes). Or was the topic simply omitted from the article? as you noted at the start, there's no mention of it, so apparently, yes. cheers! e
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I think the Energy Act exempts biofuels from taxes. On 1/3/07, ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Allan Streib wrote: There's no mention of any road/fuel tax being collected on this co-op fuel -- while I don't like paying taxes any more than the next guy, fuel taxes are one of the few where the amount you pay bears a relationship to the benefit you derive (i.e. your use of the roads). it stated their pricing and that they're they're buying it commercially; taxes are paid. Is bio-diesel exempt from tax? no. Or are the co-ops dodging it? not this one, since they're just buying it commercially; maybe others are if they're making it (though they are invited to declare it on their annual taxes). Or was the topic simply omitted from the article? as you noted at the start, there's no mention of it, so apparently, yes. cheers! e ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel Cold Weather Data Point
Ernest, I like your conclusions. I had similar symptoms when I first got my 190D this time last year. It'd start and run but had no get up and go until the engine had warmed the fuel for awhile. I bought the car in New Jersey in mid-December, it had been sitting for a few weeks. I think it had a tank of summer fuel in it. Its nice that the newer cars have the fuel-warming provision, otherwise, add anti-gell and hope. Once I'd run about 1/4 tank of good winter fuel through it (oh and a couple cans of purge) it was fine. -Curt Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 09:51:57 -0800 From: ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Biodiesel Cold Weather Data Point To: undisclosed-recipients:; Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed hi! did a little experimenting recently and thought i'd share some of the observations for the benefit of any/all. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Dec 22 15:48:29 2006 Received: from pop-scotia.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([207.69.195.65]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GxmdI-EI-Vv for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 15:48:29 + Received: from dialup-4.224.66.195.dial1.cincinnati1.level3.net ([4.224.66.195]) by pop-scotia.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GxmaI-0002Rx-00 for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 10:45:23 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 09:34:27 -0600 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D pics X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 15:48:29 - I had a similar experience with Percocets a couple years back. I had a kidney stone (avoid these, they are not worth the trouble!) and the doctor gave me some for pain. The dispenser at the drug store asked me if I took painkillers or narcotics of any kind, and I of course said no, why do you ask? He replied that I probably need to be in bed when I took the Percocets, then. I had an episode at 5 am, finally gave in a took two at 5:30. Within a minute I was comatose, woke up at 9:30 but couldn't focus both eyes at the same time in the same place, and finally managed to get to the phone at 10:00 and call in. For the life of me I cannot understand why someone would call abusing these things recreational. Suicidal the slow way is more like it, who wants to be incapacitated? Peter
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Its nice that the newer cars have the fuel-warming provision, Even the old ones do, sort of. The fuel in the return line is warmed by its trip through the engine bits. A little. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] [Biodiesel] Biodiesel Cold Weather Data Point
And tell us at what temperature this experiment was conducted at -- On 12/20/06, TimothyPilgrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 09:51:57 -0800 From: ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Biodiesel Cold Weather Data Point You should post this to the Biodiesel list Ernest... Tim 1982 300TD (still for sale) 1991 300TE 4Matic -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
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hey Don! i've seen this show up on both these lists now and i'm sure i said near freezing; would you like that converted to Celsius, or Fahrenheit? ;-) cheers/73! e n6zes And tell us at what temperature this experiment was conducted at -- On 12/20/06, TimothyPilgrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 09:51:57 -0800 From: ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Biodiesel Cold Weather Data Point You should post this to the Biodiesel list Ernest... Tim 1982 300TD (still for sale) 1991 300TE 4Matic -- OK Don, KD5NRO
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What was the cold temp? On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 11:51:57 -0600, ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi! did a little experimenting recently and thought i'd share some of the observations for the benefit of any/all. firstly, Helga is an '85 300D with almost 160K miles, and has been using almost exclusively commercially purchased BioD for ~3 years/40K miles. the fuel is commercially produced from recycled oil stock (i believe the current stock was used for frying potato chips, but i may be mistaken.) on a recent trip to the Sierra, i decided to try straight B99/100 purchased from our favorite local supplier, just to see how the vehicle would react to the low temps since i had the luxury of convenient support should i need it. after sitting for a few days with temps near freezing, it started up perfectly; a single Glow cycle resulted in an immediate smoke-free start and a smooth idle, as is normal for this car. power, however, was lower than it usually is when cold as i started up the hill out the driveway, to the extent i found i had the accelerator floored just to keep it moving. out of curiosity, i tried revving it in Neutral, and found i could only get about 2K RPM on it maximum! even after coolant temp had reached normal indicated range (80C+), Max RPMs were still only about 2K RPM for about the first 10-15 minutes of use; fortunately, this was enough to suit the needs in the small town we were in. it wasn't until we'd gotten several miles farther down the road that it rev'd freely as normal. my theory is that although the fuel had not gelled completely, it had gelled enough that there was enough occlusion in the fuel system that it wouldn't allow full fuel flow until things had warmed up. were i to head into the same conditions again, i'll probably top off with #2 Dino before stopping, just to try to lower the Gel Point of the fuel a bit. fortunately my wife tends to have a bit of an adventurous nature, or this could have been much less fun! (the dog napped serenely in the rear seat the entire time, knowing nothing of the fun we were having; only that we were going home,...) cheers! e Berkeley ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work '85 300D (280,176) parts car
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Well - that's what I get for scanning for a numerical format number -- between chemistry in college, and working stations around the globe and exchanging local weather conditions, I'm now conversant in either F or C! Seems that Luther missed the temperature reference as well - must be a ham thing - need it spelled out in CW. On 12/20/06, ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hey Don! i've seen this show up on both these lists now and i'm sure i said near freezing; would you like that converted to Celsius, or Fahrenheit? ;-) -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] [Biodiesel] Biodiesel Cold Weather Data Point
I want the exact temp, not some around freezing. Above or below? Most BioD should be good to about 15F, any higher and it's not high quality. On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 21:40:36 -0600, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well - that's what I get for scanning for a numerical format number -- between chemistry in college, and working stations around the globe and exchanging local weather conditions, I'm now conversant in either F or C! Seems that Luther missed the temperature reference as well - must be a ham thing - need it spelled out in CW. On 12/20/06, ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hey Don! i've seen this show up on both these lists now and i'm sure i said near freezing; would you like that converted to Celsius, or Fahrenheit? ;-) -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work '85 300D (280,176) parts car
Re: [MBZ] [Biodiesel] Biodiesel Cold Weather Data Point
the exact temp? surely you jest,... would that be in the sun, or in the shade? overnight, or midday? i didn't plot the temps for the entire weekend it was parked and noticed frost on standing water in shaded places at the same time there wasn't frost in others,... so, it was around freezing. as for most Biodiesel..., someone who wants an exact temp should be specifying what feedstock the BioDiesel they're referring to was made of instead of making a blanket statement like that. ;-) i don't recall if it was here that i said it, but i'll take the risk of repeating myself; the fuel i was using was made from used Soy, which can't be expected to have low temperature characteristics as good as fuel made from some other stocks (like Rapeseed). cheers! e I want the exact temp, not some around freezing. Above or below? Most BioD should be good to about 15F, any higher and it's not high quality. On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 21:40:36 -0600, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well - that's what I get for scanning for a numerical format number -- between chemistry in college, and working stations around the globe and exchanging local weather conditions, I'm now conversant in either F or C! Seems that Luther missed the temperature reference as well - must be a ham thing - need it spelled out in CW. On 12/20/06, ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hey Don! i've seen this show up on both these lists now and i'm sure i said near freezing; would you like that converted to Celsius, or Fahrenheit? ;-) -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work '85 300D (280,176) parts car ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel Cold Weather Data Point
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 09:51:57 -0800 From: ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Biodiesel Cold Weather Data Point You should post this to the Biodiesel list Ernest... Tim 1982 300TD (still for sale) 1991 300TE 4Matic
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel vs fuel lines
That is the difference between ASTM standard BioD and crap that some people market as BioD. In the homebrew BioD world, those who properly wash and dry their BioD experience NO fuel line or filter problems after the petroD sludge is cleaned out. On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 08:00:24 -0500, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is my understanding that the actual formulation of what is called 'biodiesel' varies quite a bit, depending on what the base stock was. Also, unless considerable care is used in the making, some of the alcohol used as part of the process can remain in the fuel, and it is this alcohol which attacks the rubber lines. These two factoids could go a long way towards explaining the wild differences in experiences. -- Jim -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel vs fuel lines
I had been running my 73 220D on B100 for over two years straight with no ill effects on rubber fuel lines. This was not homebrew biodiesel. Dimitri 73 220D (being restored) --- Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is the difference between ASTM standard BioD and crap that some people market as BioD. In the homebrew BioD world, those who properly wash and dry their BioD experience NO fuel line or filter problems after the petroD sludge is cleaned out. On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 08:00:24 -0500, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is my understanding that the actual formulation of what is called 'biodiesel' varies quite a bit, depending on what the base stock was. Also, unless considerable care is used in the making, some of the alcohol used as part of the process can remain in the fuel, and it is this alcohol which attacks the rubber lines. These two factoids could go a long way towards explaining the wild differences in experiences. -- Jim -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [MBZ] [Biodiesel] [Banned] This weeks Ebay specials
How yah doin', how ya doin'? I only got it once. I only got it once. dc --- Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: anyone notice how nice it is to see the message more than once in their inbox? On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 20:31:11 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bid early, bid often http://motors.search.ebay.com/_W0QQfrppZ50QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQrdZ0QQsassZokieQ2dbenz -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (236 kmi) '82 300CD (160 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR work ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/biodiesel_okiebenz.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [MBZ] [Biodiesel] I love my MB Diesel
not much town driving, some at 45-55, about 50% at 75-80. I don't have a light foot and I'm a member of the Marshall Drive it Like You Stole It School. Luther Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: What was your average speed? Peter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 May 2006 06:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biodiesel] I love my MB Diesel filled up the SD for $13 last night 331 miles on 4.66 gallons 71 mpg on diesel -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix) '82 300CD (160kmi) '82 300D (74kmi needs block or engine)
Re: [MBZ] BIODIESEL, ADMIN
I love it when Kaleb flexes his admin muscle. Bob Retnfro '77 300D 152K Litchfield Park, AZ --- Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 6:51 PM Subject: [MBZ] BIODIESEL, ADMIN We have a biodiesel list for discussion biodiesel and related topics. Please carry on those conversations there so as not to flood the list with off topic posts. thanks -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] [Biodiesel] The Time Has Come...
Mix it. I've found that you can have a percentage of WVO in the tank based on the low temp of the day. Wake up in the morning and it's 70, 70% veg should work ok. I've tried this at temps ranging from 30-80 and percentages accordingly. On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 22:31:41 -0500, Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well kids, the time has come for me to start assembling the stuff to start using WVO in my 300D. I believe I will use the single tank method (since I'm here in the hot desert) and see how it goes. It seems no one around these parts has any emperical data on employing WVO without using all the heaters and stuff yous guys back east need. I did see (on the webola) some feller who was hawking his system of heating the injector lines...does that seem like a good idea? Any words of wisdom would be welcome. Bob Rentfro '77 300D 151K Litchfield Park, AZ -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (159,xxx kmi) '82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel, Keys and Red Devils
Bob Rentfro wrote: Who on the list was making nice wood ended (vice plastic) keys? Does anyone remember? Melissa. Haven't heard from her in 6-8 months. Get yourself a 3/16 thick scrap of some exotic hardwood, drill a hole in it, file and sand it to a roughly rectangular shape like the original, cut a slot in one side (maybe with a dremel saw blade), fill the slot with epoxy, stick the key in it, and wipe up the excess epoxy. Can do it in an evening while you watch TV. (except for the drilling and slotting part, but that should take five minutes with power tools)
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel, Keys and Red Devils
Thanks, Mitch. Sounds like something even I can do...if I find the key beneath the seat. Bob Rentfro - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel, Keys and Red Devils Bob Rentfro wrote: Who on the list was making nice wood ended (vice plastic) keys? Does anyone remember? Melissa. Haven't heard from her in 6-8 months. Get yourself a 3/16 thick scrap of some exotic hardwood, drill a hole in it, file and sand it to a roughly rectangular shape like the original, cut a slot in one side (maybe with a dremel saw blade), fill the slot with epoxy, stick the key in it, and wipe up the excess epoxy. Can do it in an evening while you watch TV. (except for the drilling and slotting part, but that should take five minutes with power tools) ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel, Keys and Red Devils
My recently deceased (OK - over a year ago) indy/Friend used to order new plastic key heads and replaced the plastic when a customer brought in a car, and he noticed the head was getting iffy. I asked Melissa if she would make in in burl or zebrano, but got no response -- wonder why? ;-) -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, Rattled '87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car '81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car '78 450SLC 67K, brown car '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel, Keys and Red Devils
My local dealer has been giving me plastic heads whenever I break them on the keys they cut me. On 2/27/06, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My recently deceased (OK - over a year ago) indy/Friend used to order new plastic key heads and replaced the plastic when a customer brought in a car, and he noticed the head was getting iffy. I asked Melissa if she would make in in burl or zebrano, but got no response -- wonder why? ;-) -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, Rattled '87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car '81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car '78 450SLC 67K, brown car '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 286Kmi. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel, Keys and Red Devils
Wonder if all the tropic storms knocked out her ability to make keys down in Belize On Monday, February 27, 2006, at 04:58 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Bob Rentfro wrote: Who on the list was making nice wood ended (vice plastic) keys? Does anyone remember? Melissa. Haven't heard from her in 6-8 months. Get yourself a 3/16 thick scrap of some exotic hardwood, drill a hole in it, file and sand it to a roughly rectangular shape like the original, cut a slot in one side (maybe with a dremel saw blade), fill the slot with epoxy, stick the key in it, and wipe up the excess epoxy. Can do it in an evening while you watch TV. (except for the drilling and slotting part, but that should take five minutes with power tools) ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel, Keys and Red Devils
Bob Rentfro wrote: Had to drive into the stealership to order a stinkin' key today. The stupid plastic head cracked and the metal part of the key fell out and down ito the tracks of my seat somewhere. I reckon I'll have to take the seat out to retrieve the metal part. $40 for a stinkin' key. Who on the list was making nice wood ended (vice plastic) keys? Does anyone remember? I don't know, but I bought one of the replacement plastic key heads, the ones sold by Rusty and by Performance Products. It seems a bit stiffer than the original one, and so far it hasn't cracked. I don't know if it's because it's better or if I'm just being more careful. The original head cracked within a couple weeks!
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel, Keys and Red Devils
I've been pretty successful shooting a little Shoe Goo in the torn plastic surround, jamming the metal key back in, and clamping it down for a while. Seems to make them stronger than new, and, once you've trimmed away any excess with a good sharp Xacto, it's hard to tell a repaired key from the original. Gary Thompson 1995 E320 On 2/27/06, Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Had to drive into the stealership to order a stinkin' key today. The stupid plastic head cracked and the metal part of the key fell out and down ito the tracks of my seat somewhere. I reckon I'll have to take the seat out to retrieve the metal part. $40 for a stinkin' key. Who on the list was making nice wood ended (vice plastic) keys? Does anyone remember? Whenever I go to the stealership, I usually get a tank of biodiesel. We still only have one pump in all of Phoenix...a town with a billion gazillion people has ONE bio pump. It's criminal. It's also criminal how they continue to charge $2.859 for bio...but #2 is up to $2.649 here. I am always amazed how much smoother and quieter my car runs on bio. While getting the key, I got 20 or so red devils as Johnny B called them...to repair the floppy trim on my door. Just so all y'all know they are no longer red but they are white. I hope she gave me the right thing...and I hope Rusty doesn't say that he has them for less than $1 each...I'll feel like an idiot. Bob Rentfro '77 300D 149K '01 VW Beetle TDI 61K '87 Acura Legend 169K Litchfield Park, AZ ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel, Keys and Red Devils
I've been pretty successful shooting a little Shoe Goo in the torn The new duct tape! It's my favorite glue. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel, Keys and Red Devils
I just discovered the joys of the plastic-headed key. The one I just bought broke on me. It was at night, and I assumed the metal of the key had broken. Later I realized that the metal does not extend up into the bulk of the handle. Real smart. Also, it seems that my driver's door is not used to a fresh steel key, and operates quite tightly, if at all with it. Maybe will shoot some teflon lube in there? And that is hard to believe, Bob, that there is but one Bio pump on PHX. Crazy. Chuck, Jim and I missed you when I was in the area last weekend. Brian 83 240D From: Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biodiesel List [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Biodiesel, Keys and Red Devils Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:03:13 -0700 Had to drive into the stealership to order a stinkin' key today. The stupid plastic head cracked and the metal part of the key fell out and down ito the tracks of my seat somewhere. I reckon I'll have to take the seat out to retrieve the metal part. $40 for a stinkin' key. Who on the list was making nice wood ended (vice plastic) keys? Does anyone remember? Whenever I go to the stealership, I usually get a tank of biodiesel. We still only have one pump in all of Phoenix...a town with a billion gazillion people has ONE bio pump. It's criminal. It's also criminal how they continue to charge $2.859 for bio...but #2 is up to $2.649 here. I am always amazed how much smoother and quieter my car runs on bio. While getting the key, I got 20 or so red devils as Johnny B called them...to repair the floppy trim on my door. Just so all y'all know they are no longer red but they are white. I hope she gave me the right thing...and I hope Rusty doesn't say that he has them for less than $1 each...I'll feel like an idiot. Bob Rentfro '77 300D 149K '01 VW Beetle TDI 61K '87 Acura Legend 169K Litchfield Park, AZ ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel, Keys and Red Devils
I just discovered the joys of the plastic-headed key. The one I just bought broke on me. It was at night, and I assumed the metal of the key had broken. Later I realized that the metal does not extend up into the bulk of the handle. Real smart. My key for my wife's 450 SL (the for-sale one) was what came with it, and it broke out of the plastic head. I bought a new plastic head from PP, but it never really fit right and flexed too much. Highly unsatisfactory. So I welded the key to a steel washer. Stout! Ugly, but stout. My wife has the bought-from-dealer key. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] BioDiesel momentum
From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 5:16 PM Subject: [MBZ] BioDiesel momentum I have heard announcements of 3 new BioD plants in Iowa in the past 2-3 weeks. I also heard an announcement of a plant in AL or FL using non-food plant material. It was Alabama: http://www.agi.alabama.gov/press_releases?wid=HGBVjt5izz9bYAR0-C0lJAfunc=viewpn=2 Terry Geiger Florence, Alabama USA http://www.shoalsbritishcars.org '74 Triumph TR6 (my sunny day car) '63 Triumph Herald (wife's sunny day car) '84 Mercedes 300D Turbo Diesel (wife's car) '90 Chevy S10 (parts fetcher)
Re: [MBZ] BioDiesel momentum
These new biodiesel plants don't seem to be doing me much good. We finally got one bio pump in Jefferson, but it is at the truck stop and even #2 is normally a dime higher per gallon that it is at the other places in town. On 1/12/06, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have heard announcements of 3 new BioD plants in Iowa in the past 2-3 weeks. I also heard an announcement of a plant in AL or FL using non-food plant material. And the news media tells us NO new refineries have been built in the past 35 years! What about all the ethanol refineries? I guess Ethanol and BioD don't count because the raw material is not crude oil. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
Re: [MBZ] BioDiesel momentum
A good play on the bio-diesel movement is Archer Daniels Midland (ADM). On 1/13/06, LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These new biodiesel plants don't seem to be doing me much good. We finally got one bio pump in Jefferson, but it is at the truck stop and even #2 is normally a dime higher per gallon that it is at the other places in town. On 1/12/06, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have heard announcements of 3 new BioD plants in Iowa in the past 2-3 weeks. I also heard an announcement of a plant in AL or FL using non-food plant material. And the news media tells us NO new refineries have been built in the past 35 years! What about all the ethanol refineries? I guess Ethanol and BioD don't count because the raw material is not crude oil. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] biodiesel story
Are you sure you're not thinking of Grit? It still exists, too: http://grit.com/ . On Dec 15, 2005, at 4:44 PM, Bob Rentfro wrote: Grist?! Holy crap I haven't seen anything from them since I was a kidI thought it went the way of green stamps.
Re: [MBZ] biodiesel story
my latest water bill had an article enlcosed on how the KC water dept has displaced 620,000 gasoline equivalent gallons of fuel with the use of BioD and CNG (compressed Natural gas). Interesting. Apparently there are 88 cities in an organization doing the same thing and they celebrated the 1 Billionth gallon saved with a ceremonial pumping of the billionth gallon of BioD into a KC water dept truck. Interesting Chris Ron Dwelle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting fuel story: http://www.grist.org/news/maindish/2005/12/15/hearn/index.html? source=daily Ron Dwelle ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose -1987 300TD, 150K, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 210K, Wulf -1976 240D, ?K, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen) -1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger - Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Dec 15 21:33:31 2005 Received: from web52105.mail.yahoo.com ([206.190.48.108]) by server5.arterytc5.net with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1En0jD-0002Zp-Jn for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:33:31 + Received: (qmail 32569 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Dec 2005 21:33:28 - DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=yuYZr++DQGurNovtgeG+2t+p7kgWR9Fyz6041CU8lgiZ4hHsJf5oPkwDJrwp/h7tRziO0qXUz15ZYTX9NdVLer/k0NIjuZ7lCGbjDaqItiy4LN4PfFjc0dbFJJDeCWTn/yNpKrc+D8SNa8sWYGrfJt4gIio86g3Zfwu8T8TqKrM= ; Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from [65.34.16.254] by web52105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:33:28 PST Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:33:28 -0800 (PST) From: Tan Qu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190 in New Hampshire X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes mailing list mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:33:31 - The twin auxillary fans are on the 190Dt's as well. --- andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, it has twin aux. fans. I've never seen that before. On 12/14/05, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No Affiliation. But here is a 93 190E with only 103K with a buy it now of $3500. I wonder what the reserve is. Was there some list member up north? Do you want a gasser. It looks pretty nice. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Beautiful-1993-Mercedes-Benz-190E_W0QQite mZ4597804058QQcategoryZ6328QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Donald H. Snook ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] biodiesel story
Grist?! Holy crap I haven't seen anything from them since I was a kidI thought it went the way of green stamps. Bob Rentfro '77 300D 144K Litchfield Park, AZ - Original Message - From: Ron Dwelle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 1:55 PM Subject: [MBZ] biodiesel story Interesting fuel story: http://www.grist.org/news/maindish/2005/12/15/hearn/index.html? source=daily Ron Dwelle ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel
ernest breakfield wrote: having seen the experiences of the many BioD users in this area, i think the concerns over fuel lines leaking on our cars are much overstated; i'd watch the fuel lines as i would with most any other vehicle of that vintage, and replace them with something better when/if they start to show seepage. It's really hard to say whether biodiesel caused a fuel line problem, since most of these cars are due to have the lines replaced anyway. My car had a leaky fuel line when I bought it, and it had never been run on biodiesel. The previous owner had powerwashed the engine bay before turning the car over to me, as a courtesy, and I almost immediately started to smell fuel. The old, fabric-covered line between the hard fuel line and the prefilter had sprung a leak. It was probably cracked and brittle, and gave up when the spray from the pressure washer hit it. From what I've heard, you *may* run into more problems if you use homebrewed biodiesel, because most homebrewers don't do a very good job recovering the methanol. Methanol is hard on most kinds of rubber.
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel
Tarek Elshenawy wrote: Hello all. I was wondering if I can run B20 in my '77 240D and '87 300SDL without any modifications. Is this possible? Thanks in advance. Tarek B20 (or B10 or B5)rarely causes any problem, but there are NO guaranties. Higher concentrations often cause more problems. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel
hi Tarek! yes. i've run almost exclusively B100 in our unmodified 300D for most of the last 25K miles over the last couple of years with no ill effect. having seen the experiences of the many BioD users in this area, i think the concerns over fuel lines leaking on our cars are much overstated; i'd watch the fuel lines as i would with most any other vehicle of that vintage, and replace them with something better when/if they start to show seepage. oddly enough, the only cars i know to have had fuel line failures when using BioD were an ancient neglected VW, and 2 practically new MBZ E320 CDIs. cheers! e '85 300D - 145k miles B100 in Berkeley Tarek Elshenawy wrote: Hello all. I was wondering if I can run B20 in my '77 240D and '87 300SDL without any modifications. Is this possible? Thanks in advance. Tarek
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel/wvo topics
Hot tip! If you want to try to profit on the growth of biodiesel, check out ADM... On 10/5/05, Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/biodiesel_striplin.net Bring all these posts over here. Let's have some good chats on the list Kaleb created for such bio fuels. See ya'll on the green side! -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (happily running WVO/diesel mix) '82 300CD (Slate grey, black MBTex, WVO/D mix) '82 300D(parts) '90 300E (for trade??) ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel/wvo topics
agreed CM --- Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/biodiesel_striplin.net Bring all these posts over here. Let's have some good chats on the list Kaleb created for such bio fuels. See ya'll on the green side! -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (happily running WVO/diesel mix) '82 300CD (Slate grey, black MBTex, WVO/D mix) '82 300D(parts) '90 300E (for trade??) ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1987 300TD, 149K miles, Rotkäppchen (Little Red Riding Hood) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) running WVO/WMO/LO/WATF/WGL/Kero/D2 mix (do not attempt this unless you are willing to sacrifice your IP, injectors, pre-chambers, etc.) __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
