Re: [MBZ] Fwd: OT Virus
On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 16:58:23 + (UTC) Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: > One of the articles I read said that so far, each person has infected 3 > other people, on average. In nuclear devices, fission is accomplished by each split atom giving off two neutrons. A long time ago, I saw a movie where a fellow had a room with a window. He filled the room with cocked/loaded mousetraps and ran two test cases: - In the first, each mousetrap had one pingpong ball resting on the bail. - In the second, each mousetrap had two pingpong balls resting on the bail. Each time he held the door open and tossed in one pingpong ball. In the first case, a single mousetrap would be sprung and throw its pingpong ball up into the air. When that pingpong ball fell and hit another trap, another pingpong ball would be thrown in the air. It was a long time before all traps had been sprung or the ball fell onto a trap which had already been sprung. In the second case, the trap springing rate increased very quickly and the room was filled with pingpong balls in the air. It took only a few seconds before the action was done. I wonder if it is now on youtube ... Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: OT Virus
And here we go https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/what-it-was-like-for-doctors-and-nurses-at-an-everett-hospital-to-treat-the-nations-first-novel-coronavirus-patient/#comments --FT On 2/14/20 3:30 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: It will probably be a disaster in cities with massive homeless populations (Seattle, San Francisco, etc.) -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: OT Virus
Great stuff - better than any news source that I have come across. Thanks! On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 4:11 PM Craig via Mercedes wrote: > On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 12:59:43 -0800 Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes > wrote: > > > The superspreader refers to spread before the source is symptomatic; > > they might have had a simple cold or no symptoms at all before falling > > ill later and being diagnosed. There seems to be a prodromal mild phase > > followed by a more serious later phase with pneumonia. > > FYI: > > In medicine, a prodrome is an early sign or symptom (or set of signs and > symptoms), which often indicate the onset of a disease before more > diagnostically specific signs and symptoms develop. It is derived from > the Greek word prodromos, meaning "running before". Prodromes may be > non-specific symptoms or, in a few instances, may clearly indicate a > particular disease, such as the prodromal migraine aura. > > For example, fever, malaise, headache and lack of appetite frequently > occur in the prodrome of many infective disorders. > > > Craig > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: OT Virus
On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 12:59:43 -0800 Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote: > The superspreader refers to spread before the source is symptomatic; > they might have had a simple cold or no symptoms at all before falling > ill later and being diagnosed. There seems to be a prodromal mild phase > followed by a more serious later phase with pneumonia. FYI: In medicine, a prodrome is an early sign or symptom (or set of signs and symptoms), which often indicate the onset of a disease before more diagnostically specific signs and symptoms develop. It is derived from the Greek word prodromos, meaning "running before". Prodromes may be non-specific symptoms or, in a few instances, may clearly indicate a particular disease, such as the prodromal migraine aura. For example, fever, malaise, headache and lack of appetite frequently occur in the prodrome of many infective disorders. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: OT Virus
It's a respiratory virus. The reason the cases went up was because they included diagnoses established by CT scan, rather than just the antibody test (could be DNA but ELISA is more common for screening). Anyway it is causing pulmonary findings on CT scan, aka pneumonia often enough to bump the numbers up significantly and is killing some of those people through respiratory failure. There are hundreds of viruses with tropism for the respiratory tract; this one is severe in an as-yet poorly defined subset of people. It is far more contagious than SARS, which is why it will probably be visiting an ER near each of us this year or next. The superspreader refers to spread before the source is symptomatic; they might have had a simple cold or no symptoms at all before falling ill later and being diagnosed. There seems to be a prodromal mild phase followed by a more serious later phase with pneumonia. On Fri, Feb 14, 2020, 12:17 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > But what is the mechanism? There is an ongoing measles outbreak that is > far deadlier in Congo right now due to ease of contagion and poor > vaccination penetration (57%). > > On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 11:59 AM Max Dillon via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > One of the articles I read said that so far, each person has infected 3 > > other people, on average. > > > > Max Dillon > > Charleston SC > > > > Feb 14, 2020 11:52:28 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com>: > > > > > Yeah. They dont call them computer "viruses" for nothing :-/ > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 14, 2020, 8:30 AM G Mann via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > A simple but viable human model of transmission is available in the > > > > computer world. > > > > Look at how quickly a computer virus spreads from a single > infection... > > > > sent unknown to everyone on your email short list... who then sends > it > > to > > > > all their "special friends"... [ie personal contact]... > > > > Within a very short time, hundreds of thousands of computers are > > infected > > > > and servers are down... > > > > > > > > This weaponized virus has much the same transmission. > > > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 5:29 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < > > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --R > > > > > Sent from iPhone > > > > > > > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Rich Thomas > > > > > > Date: February 14, 2020 at 7:26:33 AM EST > > > > > > To: Mercedes List > > > > > > Subject: OT Virus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Morning updates. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hoodathunkit the Norks might be hiding something > > > > > > > > > > > > NYT > > > > > > > > > > > > More than 1,700 medical workers infected in China > > > > > > > > > > > > The Chinese authorities disclosed for the first time today that > > 1,716 > > > > > > > > > > > medical workers had contracted the coronavirus and that six had > > died. The > > > > > number of infected workers represents 3.8 percent of China’s > overall > > > > > confirmed infections. Here are the latest updates and maps of where > > the > > > > > virus has spread. > > > > > > > > > > > The news comes a day after China widened a mass roundup of > > potential > > > > > > > > > > > patients, as the government conducts what it has called a “wartime” > > > > > campaign to stamp out the epidemic. > > > > > > > > > > > Related: The U.S. said it would approve humanitarian assistance > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > North > > > > > > > > > Korea to help fight the coronavirus. There are fears the country > may > > be > > > > > hiding an outbreak. > > > > > > > > > > > Go deeper: Psychologists say that differing responses to the > virus > > and > > > > > > > > > > > the flu illustrate our shortcomings in evaluating danger. Our > > Interpreter > > > > > columnist Max Fisher explains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WSJ: > > > > > > > > > > > > Jump in virus cases fuels new worries. The sharp rise in the > > number of > > > > > > > > > > > cases after Chinese authorities changed the criteria for diagnosing > > the > > > > > illness has raised questions about how soon the outbreak will peak. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How many people might one person with the virus infect? > > Public-health > > > > > > > > > > > experts are trying to gauge the potential for an epidemic—or, > worse, > > a > > > > > pandemic—by calculating the pathogen’s basic reproduction number. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --R > > > > > > Sent from iPhone > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: OT Virus
Some guy stopped over in Singapore, Vienna and other cities on the way back from Wuhan and apparently was a supercarrier, infecting casual contacts as he went. On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 3:31 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >But what is the mechanism? > > Indications are intimate contact and feces. In third world countries where > proper bathroom hygiene doesn't exist (you know, like toilet paper and > running water) this will be a disaster. It will probably be a disaster in > cities with massive homeless populations (Seattle, San Francisco, etc.) > > Rick > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: OT Virus
>But what is the mechanism? Indications are intimate contact and feces. In third world countries where proper bathroom hygiene doesn't exist (you know, like toilet paper and running water) this will be a disaster. It will probably be a disaster in cities with massive homeless populations (Seattle, San Francisco, etc.) Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: OT Virus
But what is the mechanism? There is an ongoing measles outbreak that is far deadlier in Congo right now due to ease of contagion and poor vaccination penetration (57%). On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 11:59 AM Max Dillon via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > One of the articles I read said that so far, each person has infected 3 > other people, on average. > > Max Dillon > Charleston SC > > Feb 14, 2020 11:52:28 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com>: > > > Yeah. They dont call them computer "viruses" for nothing :-/ > > > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 14, 2020, 8:30 AM G Mann via Mercedes > > > wrote: > > > > > > > A simple but viable human model of transmission is available in the > > > computer world. > > > Look at how quickly a computer virus spreads from a single infection... > > > sent unknown to everyone on your email short list... who then sends it > to > > > all their "special friends"... [ie personal contact]... > > > Within a very short time, hundreds of thousands of computers are > infected > > > and servers are down... > > > > > > This weaponized virus has much the same transmission. > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 5:29 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --R > > > > Sent from iPhone > > > > > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Rich Thomas > > > > > Date: February 14, 2020 at 7:26:33 AM EST > > > > > To: Mercedes List > > > > > Subject: OT Virus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Morning updates. > > > > > > > > > > Hoodathunkit the Norks might be hiding something > > > > > > > > > > NYT > > > > > > > > > > More than 1,700 medical workers infected in China > > > > > > > > > > The Chinese authorities disclosed for the first time today that > 1,716 > > > > > > > > > medical workers had contracted the coronavirus and that six had > died. The > > > > number of infected workers represents 3.8 percent of China’s overall > > > > confirmed infections. Here are the latest updates and maps of where > the > > > > virus has spread. > > > > > > > > > The news comes a day after China widened a mass roundup of > potential > > > > > > > > > patients, as the government conducts what it has called a “wartime” > > > > campaign to stamp out the epidemic. > > > > > > > > > Related: The U.S. said it would approve humanitarian assistance to > > > > > > > > > > > > North > > > > > > > Korea to help fight the coronavirus. There are fears the country may > be > > > > hiding an outbreak. > > > > > > > > > Go deeper: Psychologists say that differing responses to the virus > and > > > > > > > > > the flu illustrate our shortcomings in evaluating danger. Our > Interpreter > > > > columnist Max Fisher explains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WSJ: > > > > > > > > > > Jump in virus cases fuels new worries. The sharp rise in the > number of > > > > > > > > > cases after Chinese authorities changed the criteria for diagnosing > the > > > > illness has raised questions about how soon the outbreak will peak. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How many people might one person with the virus infect? > Public-health > > > > > > > > > experts are trying to gauge the potential for an epidemic—or, worse, > a > > > > pandemic—by calculating the pathogen’s basic reproduction number. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --R > > > > > Sent from iPhone > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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One of the articles I read said that so far, each person has infected 3 other people, on average. Max Dillon Charleston SC Feb 14, 2020 11:52:28 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes : > Yeah. They dont call them computer "viruses" for nothing :-/ > > > > On Fri, Feb 14, 2020, 8:30 AM G Mann via Mercedes > wrote: > > > > A simple but viable human model of transmission is available in the > > computer world. > > Look at how quickly a computer virus spreads from a single infection... > > sent unknown to everyone on your email short list... who then sends it to > > all their "special friends"... [ie personal contact]... > > Within a very short time, hundreds of thousands of computers are infected > > and servers are down... > > > > This weaponized virus has much the same transmission. > > > > On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 5:29 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > --R > > > Sent from iPhone > > > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > > > > > > > > From: Rich Thomas > > > > Date: February 14, 2020 at 7:26:33 AM EST > > > > To: Mercedes List > > > > Subject: OT Virus > > > > > > > > > > > > Morning updates. > > > > > > > > Hoodathunkit the Norks might be hiding something > > > > > > > > NYT > > > > > > > > More than 1,700 medical workers infected in China > > > > > > > > The Chinese authorities disclosed for the first time today that 1,716 > > > > > > > medical workers had contracted the coronavirus and that six had died. The > > > number of infected workers represents 3.8 percent of China’s overall > > > confirmed infections. Here are the latest updates and maps of where the > > > virus has spread. > > > > > > > The news comes a day after China widened a mass roundup of potential > > > > > > > patients, as the government conducts what it has called a “wartime” > > > campaign to stamp out the epidemic. > > > > > > > Related: The U.S. said it would approve humanitarian assistance to > > > > > > > > > North > > > > > Korea to help fight the coronavirus. There are fears the country may be > > > hiding an outbreak. > > > > > > > Go deeper: Psychologists say that differing responses to the virus and > > > > > > > the flu illustrate our shortcomings in evaluating danger. Our Interpreter > > > columnist Max Fisher explains. > > > > > > > > > > > WSJ: > > > > > > > > Jump in virus cases fuels new worries. The sharp rise in the number of > > > > > > > cases after Chinese authorities changed the criteria for diagnosing the > > > illness has raised questions about how soon the outbreak will peak. > > > > > > > > > > > How many people might one person with the virus infect? Public-health > > > > > > > experts are trying to gauge the potential for an epidemic—or, worse, a > > > pandemic—by calculating the pathogen’s basic reproduction number. > > > > > > > > > > > --R > > > > Sent from iPhone > > > > > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: OT Virus
Yeah. They dont call them computer "viruses" for nothing :-/ On Fri, Feb 14, 2020, 8:30 AM G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > A simple but viable human model of transmission is available in the > computer world. > Look at how quickly a computer virus spreads from a single infection... > sent unknown to everyone on your email short list... who then sends it to > all their "special friends"... [ie personal contact]... > Within a very short time, hundreds of thousands of computers are infected > and servers are down... > > This weaponized virus has much the same transmission. > > On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 5:29 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > > --R > > Sent from iPhone > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > > > From: Rich Thomas > > > Date: February 14, 2020 at 7:26:33 AM EST > > > To: Mercedes List > > > Subject: OT Virus > > > > > > > > > Morning updates. > > > > > > Hoodathunkit the Norks might be hiding something > > > > > > NYT > > > > > > More than 1,700 medical workers infected in China > > > > > > The Chinese authorities disclosed for the first time today that 1,716 > > medical workers had contracted the coronavirus and that six had died. The > > number of infected workers represents 3.8 percent of China’s overall > > confirmed infections. Here are the latest updates and maps of where the > > virus has spread. > > > The news comes a day after China widened a mass roundup of potential > > patients, as the government conducts what it has called a “wartime” > > campaign to stamp out the epidemic. > > > Related: The U.S. said it would approve humanitarian assistance to > North > > Korea to help fight the coronavirus. There are fears the country may be > > hiding an outbreak. > > > Go deeper: Psychologists say that differing responses to the virus and > > the flu illustrate our shortcomings in evaluating danger. Our Interpreter > > columnist Max Fisher explains. > > > > > > WSJ: > > > > > > Jump in virus cases fuels new worries. The sharp rise in the number of > > cases after Chinese authorities changed the criteria for diagnosing the > > illness has raised questions about how soon the outbreak will peak. > > > > > > How many people might one person with the virus infect? Public-health > > experts are trying to gauge the potential for an epidemic—or, worse, a > > pandemic—by calculating the pathogen’s basic reproduction number. > > > > > > --R > > > Sent from iPhone > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: OT Virus
A simple but viable human model of transmission is available in the computer world. Look at how quickly a computer virus spreads from a single infection... sent unknown to everyone on your email short list... who then sends it to all their "special friends"... [ie personal contact]... Within a very short time, hundreds of thousands of computers are infected and servers are down... This weaponized virus has much the same transmission. On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 5:29 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > --R > Sent from iPhone > > Begin forwarded message: > > > From: Rich Thomas > > Date: February 14, 2020 at 7:26:33 AM EST > > To: Mercedes List > > Subject: OT Virus > > > > > > Morning updates. > > > > Hoodathunkit the Norks might be hiding something > > > > NYT > > > > More than 1,700 medical workers infected in China > > > > The Chinese authorities disclosed for the first time today that 1,716 > medical workers had contracted the coronavirus and that six had died. The > number of infected workers represents 3.8 percent of China’s overall > confirmed infections. Here are the latest updates and maps of where the > virus has spread. > > The news comes a day after China widened a mass roundup of potential > patients, as the government conducts what it has called a “wartime” > campaign to stamp out the epidemic. > > Related: The U.S. said it would approve humanitarian assistance to North > Korea to help fight the coronavirus. There are fears the country may be > hiding an outbreak. > > Go deeper: Psychologists say that differing responses to the virus and > the flu illustrate our shortcomings in evaluating danger. Our Interpreter > columnist Max Fisher explains. > > > > WSJ: > > > > Jump in virus cases fuels new worries. The sharp rise in the number of > cases after Chinese authorities changed the criteria for diagnosing the > illness has raised questions about how soon the outbreak will peak. > > > > How many people might one person with the virus infect? Public-health > experts are trying to gauge the potential for an epidemic—or, worse, a > pandemic—by calculating the pathogen’s basic reproduction number. > > > > --R > > Sent from iPhone > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
