Re: [MBZ] July 4th

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On July 6, 2016 at 1:34 PM Joel Cairo via Mercedes  wrote:I also noticed that some of the facts presented by Comey in his non-indictment rationale related to "misspeaking" about certain matters, both to the FBI, Congress, and the American people.If I am not mistaken that could be called "perjury."Misspeaking to the little people is a time honored tradition. However, Heaven help any little people who misspeak to Congress or the FBI.Or, for that matter do any of the many things Hillary did wrong.A naval reservist apparently committed two of Hillary's crimes. 1. Put classified information on unapproved equipment. 2. Keep the unapproved equipment with the classified information on it after your classified service ends. So, just last year, Comey's FBI, working with NCIS, brought charges against him in civilian court via Lynch's Department of Justice.Lynch's gang let him plea guilty, and he was fined $7500, sentenced to 2 years' probation, and was prohibited from ever again applying for security clearance. Obviously, his name was not Hillary. https://www.fbi.gov/sacramento/press-releases/2015/folsom-naval-reservist-is-sentenced-after-pleading-guilty-to-unauthorized-removal-and-retention-of-classified-materialsMitch.

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Re: [MBZ] July 4th

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Even NPR is having a hard time with this one...
-Curt

  From: Joel Cairo via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
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Cc: Joel Cairo <buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com>
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I also noticed that some of the facts presented by Comey in his 
non-indictment rationale related to "misspeaking" about certain matters, 
both to the FBI, Congress, and the American people.

If I am not mistaken that could be called "perjury."

--JC


On 7/5/16 8:00 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
> Then you're saying Hillary should have been indicted using the "letter of the 
> law"? Technically, perhaps, but Hillary is a presidential candidate, and 
> since her "crime" was due to unintentional sloppiness, indicting her would 
> probably cause even more criticism of Trump. The whole thing is obviously 
> just a politically motivated "tempest in a tea pot"; common during elections. 
> Will it help Trump/hurt Hillary? Time will tell.
>  
>  
> ~~~
> Joel Cairo wrote:
>> The FBI investigates espionage by non-military players so they were the
>> appropriate agency to do so.
>>
>> I just saw on the Propaganda Broadcasting System news a clip of Comey,
>> who said they pretty much compromised classified information by
>> sloppiness or "carelessness," using multiple personal servers and
>> devices that likely got hacked by foreign players, etc., 14 minutes of
>> evidence of wrongdoing.  Those are all criminal violations of the
>> Espionage Act and should have been turned over to a US Attorney for
>> presentation to a Federal Grand Jury for an indictment.
>>
>> Intent has nothing to do with the wording of the law, which is pretty
>> clear that if you do any of that stuff he enumerated by "gross
>> negligence," you have committed espionage.  "Intent" is covered in other
>> portions of the law, but not the one I cited below.
>>
>> --JC
>>
>>
>> On 7/5/16 6:52 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
>>> My lawyer once settled a business disagreement that might have gone to 
>>> court by using the legal principle of "inadvertence" since the tort was 
>>> unintentional. It stretched the legal meaning of the principle, but the 
>>> plaintiffs lawyer decided not to sue; possibly because he thought the judge 
>>> would invoke the principle.
>>>
>>> "The term inadvertence is generally used in reference to a ground upon 
>>> which a judgment may be set aside or vacated under the Rules of Federal 
>>> Civil Procedure or state rules of civil procedure."
>>>
>>> http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Inadvertence
>>>
>>> Mine was a civil procedure while Hillarys was/is a (criminal?) procedure?
>>> Can inadvertence be used in potential criminal cases? Better ask Snook.
>>>
>>> Did the Democratic administration get the FBI into the case so it could 
>>> "clear" Hillary, and deprive the Republicans of an issue during the 
>>> campaign?  H.
>>>    
>>> 
>>>> On 05/07/2016 4:31 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>> I find it quite interesting that the FBI director presents evidence of
>>>>> several felonies, then proceeds to say there is nothing there for an
>>>>> indictment because it was not "intentional." Funny, I thought it was a
>>>>> US Attorney who would take evidence to a Federal Grand Jury then ask
>>>>> for an indictment.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh wait, Bill (who is also apparently under a federal investigation)
>>>>> and Loretta got that sorted out the other day...  I guess it really is
>>>>> only poor people who can't get justice in the US.
>>>>>
>>>>> --JC
>>>>>
>>>> On 7/5/16 5:27 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>>> Better tell the FBI really fast!
>>>>>> On Jul 5, 2016 5:24 PM, "Joel Cairo via Mercedes"
>>>>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or
>>>>>>> control
>>>>>>> of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph,
>>>>>>> photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument,
>>>>>>> ap

Re: [MBZ] July 4th

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

I also noticed that some of the facts presented by Comey in his 
non-indictment rationale related to "misspeaking" about certain matters, 
both to the FBI, Congress, and the American people.


If I am not mistaken that could be called "perjury."

--JC


On 7/5/16 8:00 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:

Then you're saying Hillary should have been indicted using the "letter of the law"? Technically, 
perhaps, but Hillary is a presidential candidate, and since her "crime" was due to unintentional 
sloppiness, indicting her would probably cause even more criticism of Trump. The whole thing is obviously 
just a politically motivated "tempest in a tea pot"; common during elections. Will it help 
Trump/hurt Hillary? Time will tell.
  
  
~~~

Joel Cairo wrote:

The FBI investigates espionage by non-military players so they were the
appropriate agency to do so.

I just saw on the Propaganda Broadcasting System news a clip of Comey,
who said they pretty much compromised classified information by
sloppiness or "carelessness," using multiple personal servers and
devices that likely got hacked by foreign players, etc., 14 minutes of
evidence of wrongdoing.  Those are all criminal violations of the
Espionage Act and should have been turned over to a US Attorney for
presentation to a Federal Grand Jury for an indictment.

Intent has nothing to do with the wording of the law, which is pretty
clear that if you do any of that stuff he enumerated by "gross
negligence," you have committed espionage.  "Intent" is covered in other
portions of the law, but not the one I cited below.

--JC


On 7/5/16 6:52 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:

My lawyer once settled a business disagreement that might have gone to court by using the 
legal principle of "inadvertence" since the tort was unintentional. It 
stretched the legal meaning of the principle, but the plaintiffs lawyer decided not to 
sue; possibly because he thought the judge would invoke the principle.

"The term inadvertence is generally used in reference to a ground upon which a 
judgment may be set aside or vacated under the Rules of Federal Civil Procedure or state 
rules of civil procedure."

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Inadvertence

Mine was a civil procedure while Hillarys was/is a (criminal?) procedure?
Can inadvertence be used in potential criminal cases? Better ask Snook.

Did the Democratic administration get the FBI into the case so it could "clear" 
Hillary, and deprive the Republicans of an issue during the campaign?  H.
   


On 05/07/2016 4:31 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes wrote:

I find it quite interesting that the FBI director presents evidence of
several felonies, then proceeds to say there is nothing there for an
indictment because it was not "intentional." Funny, I thought it was a
US Attorney who would take evidence to a Federal Grand Jury then ask
for an indictment.

Oh wait, Bill (who is also apparently under a federal investigation)
and Loretta got that sorted out the other day...  I guess it really is
only poor people who can't get justice in the US.

--JC


On 7/5/16 5:27 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Better tell the FBI really fast!
On Jul 5, 2016 5:24 PM, "Joel Cairo via Mercedes"
<mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:


(f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or
control
of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph,
photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument,
appliance,
note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through
gross
negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of
custody
or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost,
stolen,
abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has
been
illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to
anyone
in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or
destroyed,
and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or
destruction to his superior officer—

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten
years, or
both.


On 7/5/16 4:40 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:


Dwight.

Yes, England does celebrate the 4 th of July, and each year issues an
invitation to return to the fold.

Though why any american would want the UK's clowns to run anything is
beyond me. Maybe america will take a lesson from Parliament and
vote for a
person of intelligence and capability. (Nah!).

YMMV!

Fred.


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Re: [MBZ] July 4th

[G Mann via Mercedes]

A... You may be correct.. The number I had factored in the number of
voting cemetery head stones... from the last election..

On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 5:00 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> On July 6, 2016 at 12:31 AM G Mann via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>
>
> The trial has started, the jury this time around is 325,000,000 Citizens
> and the jury of their peers will convene on 8 Nov 2016 for final judgement.
>
> Let the games begin..
>
>
> 325 mil?
>
> In 2014, the voting age population was 246 million.
>
> Subtract out the non-citizens, felons, inmates, etc and the voting
> eligible population was 227 million.
>
> http://www.electproject.org/2014g
>
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] July 4th

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On July 6, 2016 at 12:31 AM G Mann via Mercedes  wrote:The trial has started, the jury this time around is 325,000,000 Citizensand the jury of their peers will convene on 8 Nov 2016 for final judgement.Let the games begin..325 mil?In 2014, the voting age population was 246 million. Subtract out the non-citizens, felons, inmates, etc and the voting eligible population was 227 million. http://www.electproject.org/2014gMitch.
 

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Re: [MBZ] July 4th

[G Mann via Mercedes]

The trial has started, the jury this time around is 325,000,000 Citizens
and the jury of their peers will convene on 8 Nov 2016 for final judgement.

Let the games begin..

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 6:24 PM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes <
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> It's my opinion that it was all about protecting the billions of foreign
> contributions and money laundering being performed by the Clinton
> Foundation. I posted to the POS AOL website that going forward both the FBI
> and DOJ should be referred to as subsidiaries of the Clinton Foundation. We
> have all allowed the USA to go to hell in a handbasket via not objecting to
> PC and other BS in our society. Comey is a huge POS just as Lynch is. Lynch
> is even worse than her racist, divisive predecessor Holder.
> Down off my box, but still infuriated at how corrupt our government has
> become.
> Best Wishes to all us,
> Roger
> Roger Hale
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Re: [MBZ] July 4th

[rogerhga--- via Mercedes]

It's my opinion that it was all about protecting the billions of foreign 
contributions and money laundering being performed by the Clinton Foundation. I 
posted to the POS AOL website that going forward both the FBI and DOJ should be 
referred to as subsidiaries of the Clinton Foundation. We have all allowed the 
USA to go to hell in a handbasket via not objecting to PC and other BS in our 
society. Comey is a huge POS just as Lynch is. Lynch is even worse than her 
racist, divisive predecessor Holder. 
Down off my box, but still infuriated at how corrupt our government has become. 
Best Wishes to all us, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 


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Re: [MBZ] July 4th

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

--R wrote:
> Move along...

Totally correct!!
This was all done meticulously as planned, even though it looks sloppy.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] July 4th

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through
gross
negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of
custody
or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost,
stolen,
abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has
been
illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to
anyone
in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or
destroyed,
and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or
destruction to his superior officer—

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten
years, or
both.


On 7/5/16 4:40 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:

Dwight.

Yes, England does celebrate the 4 th of July, and each year issues an
invitation to return to the fold.

Though why any american would want the UK's clowns to run anything is
beyond me. Maybe america will take a lesson from Parliament and
vote for a
person of intelligence and capability. (Nah!).

YMMV!

Fred.


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] July 4th

Thank you Fred,
I just learned the answer to he old puzzle-do they have the 4th of
July
in
England?. In Chester. Saw a sweet new C250 cdi.
Cheers,
Dwight

On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Happy Birthday America!


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Re: [MBZ] July 4th

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ft, abstraction, or
> >>>>> destruction to his superior officer—
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten
> >>>>> years, or
> >>>>> both.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 7/5/16 4:40 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Dwight.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Yes, England does celebrate the 4 th of July, and each year issues an
> >>>>>> invitation to return to the fold.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Though why any american would want the UK's clowns to run anything is
> >>>>>> beyond me. Maybe america will take a lesson from Parliament and
> >>>>>> vote for a
> >>>>>> person of intelligence and capability. (Nah!).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> YMMV!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Fred.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Fred Moir.
> >>>>>> Lynn MA.
> >>>>>> Diesel preferred.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> From: Mercedes <mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com> on behalf of Dwight
> >>>>>> Giles
> >>>>>> via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >>>>>> Sent: 05 July 2016 16:05
> >>>>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> >>>>>> Cc: Dwight Giles
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] July 4th
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thank you Fred,
> >>>>>> I just learned the answer to he old puzzle-do they have the 4th of
> >>>>>> July
> >>>>>> in
> >>>>>> England?. In Chester. Saw a sweet new C250 cdi.
> >>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>> Dwight
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
> >>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Happy Birthday America!
> >>>>>>> Fred Moir.
> >>>>>>> Lynn MA.
> >>>>>>> Diesel preferred.
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Re: [MBZ] July 4th

[G Mann via Mercedes]

At some point, intent becomes Prima Facia based on the resulting actions.
ie... "I accidentally robbed that bank." vs the argument "I accidentally
robbed those 80 banks."

In this investigation.. the sheer volume of mis-deeds constitutes intent.

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 4:21 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The FBI investigates espionage by non-military players so they were the
> appropriate agency to do so.
>
> I just saw on the Propaganda Broadcasting System news a clip of Comey, who
> said they pretty much compromised classified information by sloppiness or
> "carelessness," using multiple personal servers and devices that likely got
> hacked by foreign players, etc., 14 minutes of evidence of wrongdoing.
> Those are all criminal violations of the Espionage Act and should have been
> turned over to a US Attorney for presentation to a Federal Grand Jury for
> an indictment.
>
> Intent has nothing to do with the wording of the law, which is pretty
> clear that if you do any of that stuff he enumerated by "gross negligence,"
> you have committed espionage.  "Intent" is covered in other portions of the
> law, but not the one I cited below.
>
> --JC
>
>
>
> On 7/5/16 6:52 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> My lawyer once settled a business disagreement that might have gone to
>> court by using the legal principle of "inadvertence" since the tort was
>> unintentional. It stretched the legal meaning of the principle, but the
>> plaintiffs lawyer decided not to sue; possibly because he thought the judge
>> would invoke the principle.
>>
>> "The term inadvertence is generally used in reference to a ground upon
>> which a judgment may be set aside or vacated under the Rules of Federal
>> Civil Procedure or state rules of civil procedure."
>>
>> http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Inadvertence
>>
>> Mine was a civil procedure while Hillarys was/is a (criminal?) procedure?
>> Can inadvertence be used in potential criminal cases? Better ask Snook.
>>
>> Did the Democratic administration get the FBI into the case so it could
>> "clear" Hillary, and deprive the Republicans of an issue during the
>> campaign?  H.
>>   
>>
>>> On 05/07/2016 4:31 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes wrote:
>>>
>>>> I find it quite interesting that the FBI director presents evidence of
>>>> several felonies, then proceeds to say there is nothing there for an
>>>> indictment because it was not "intentional." Funny, I thought it was a
>>>> US Attorney who would take evidence to a Federal Grand Jury then ask
>>>> for an indictment.
>>>>
>>>> Oh wait, Bill (who is also apparently under a federal investigation)
>>>> and Loretta got that sorted out the other day...  I guess it really is
>>>> only poor people who can't get justice in the US.
>>>>
>>>> --JC
>>>>
>>>> On 7/5/16 5:27 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>>>
>>>> Better tell the FBI really fast!
>>>>> On Jul 5, 2016 5:24 PM, "Joel Cairo via Mercedes"
>>>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> (f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or
>>>>>> control
>>>>>> of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph,
>>>>>> photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument,
>>>>>> appliance,
>>>>>> note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through
>>>>>> gross
>>>>>> negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of
>>>>>> custody
>>>>>> or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost,
>>>>>> stolen,
>>>>>> abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has
>>>>>> been
>>>>>> illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to
>>>>>> anyone
>>>>>> in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or
>>>>>> destroyed,
>>>>>> and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or
>>>>>> destruction to his superior officer—
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten
>>>>>> yea

Re: [MBZ] July 4th

[G Mann via Mercedes]

I'm not aware that it is within the FBI Charter to do "Civil
investigations" ...

"Gross Negligence" is a term with "just the right amount of wiggle room"
that smells of careful planning and behind the scene manipulation .. ie...
"what is the meaning of "is".

In a legal hypothetical case, where counsel for the Defendant argued " My
client was  inadvertent when he handed the bank teller the note that read
"Give me all the money", while holding the loaded gun with his other hand.
then left the Bank with the money, after shooting the guards." Thus, your
Honor, these charges should be dismissed.

But then.. it's "all a giant right wing conspiracy" so... "What difference
does it make now"


On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 3:52 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> My lawyer once settled a business disagreement that might have gone to
> court by using the legal principle of "inadvertence" since the tort was
> unintentional. It stretched the legal meaning of the principle, but the
> plaintiffs lawyer decided not to sue; possibly because he thought the judge
> would invoke the principle.
>
> "The term inadvertence is generally used in reference to a ground upon
> which a judgment may be set aside or vacated under the Rules of Federal
> Civil Procedure or state rules of civil procedure."
>
> http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Inadvertence
>
> Mine was a civil procedure while Hillarys was/is a (criminal?) procedure?
> Can inadvertence be used in potential criminal cases? Better ask Snook.
>
> Did the Democratic administration get the FBI into the case so it could
> "clear" Hillary, and deprive the Republicans of an issue during the
> campaign?  H.
>
> 
> > On 05/07/2016 4:31 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes wrote:
> > > I find it quite interesting that the FBI director presents evidence of
> > > several felonies, then proceeds to say there is nothing there for an
> > > indictment because it was not "intentional." Funny, I thought it was a
> > > US Attorney who would take evidence to a Federal Grand Jury then ask
> > > for an indictment.
> > >
> > > Oh wait, Bill (who is also apparently under a federal investigation)
> > > and Loretta got that sorted out the other day...  I guess it really is
> > > only poor people who can't get justice in the US.
> > >
> > > --JC
> > >
> > On 7/5/16 5:27 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > >> Better tell the FBI really fast!
> > >> On Jul 5, 2016 5:24 PM, "Joel Cairo via Mercedes"
> > >> <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> (f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or
> > >>> control
> > >>> of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph,
> > >>> photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument,
> > >>> appliance,
> > >>> note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through
> > >>> gross
> > >>> negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of
> > >>> custody
> > >>> or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost,
> > >>> stolen,
> > >>> abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has
> > >>> been
> > >>> illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to
> > >>> anyone
> > >>> in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or
> > >>> destroyed,
> > >>> and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or
> > >>> destruction to his superior officer—
> > >>>
> > >>> Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten
> > >>> years, or
> > >>> both.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On 7/5/16 4:40 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Dwight.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Yes, England does celebrate the 4 th of July, and each year issues
> an
> > >>>> invitation to return to the fold.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Though why any american would want the UK's clowns to run anything
> is
> > >>>> beyond me. Maybe america will take a lesson from Parliament and
> > >>>> vote for a
> > >>>>

Re: [MBZ] July 4th

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

The FBI investigates espionage by non-military players so they were the 
appropriate agency to do so.


I just saw on the Propaganda Broadcasting System news a clip of Comey, 
who said they pretty much compromised classified information by 
sloppiness or "carelessness," using multiple personal servers and 
devices that likely got hacked by foreign players, etc., 14 minutes of 
evidence of wrongdoing.  Those are all criminal violations of the 
Espionage Act and should have been turned over to a US Attorney for 
presentation to a Federal Grand Jury for an indictment.


Intent has nothing to do with the wording of the law, which is pretty 
clear that if you do any of that stuff he enumerated by "gross 
negligence," you have committed espionage.  "Intent" is covered in other 
portions of the law, but not the one I cited below.


--JC


On 7/5/16 6:52 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:

My lawyer once settled a business disagreement that might have gone to court by using the 
legal principle of "inadvertence" since the tort was unintentional. It 
stretched the legal meaning of the principle, but the plaintiffs lawyer decided not to 
sue; possibly because he thought the judge would invoke the principle.

"The term inadvertence is generally used in reference to a ground upon which a 
judgment may be set aside or vacated under the Rules of Federal Civil Procedure or state 
rules of civil procedure."

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Inadvertence

Mine was a civil procedure while Hillarys was/is a (criminal?) procedure?
Can inadvertence be used in potential criminal cases? Better ask Snook.

Did the Democratic administration get the FBI into the case so it could "clear" 
Hillary, and deprive the Republicans of an issue during the campaign?  H.
  


On 05/07/2016 4:31 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes wrote:

I find it quite interesting that the FBI director presents evidence of
several felonies, then proceeds to say there is nothing there for an
indictment because it was not "intentional." Funny, I thought it was a
US Attorney who would take evidence to a Federal Grand Jury then ask
for an indictment.

Oh wait, Bill (who is also apparently under a federal investigation)
and Loretta got that sorted out the other day...  I guess it really is
only poor people who can't get justice in the US.

--JC


On 7/5/16 5:27 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Better tell the FBI really fast!
On Jul 5, 2016 5:24 PM, "Joel Cairo via Mercedes"
<mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:


(f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or
control
of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph,
photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument,
appliance,
note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through
gross
negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of
custody
or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost,
stolen,
abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has
been
illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to
anyone
in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or
destroyed,
and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or
destruction to his superior officer—

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten
years, or
both.


On 7/5/16 4:40 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:


Dwight.

Yes, England does celebrate the 4 th of July, and each year issues an
invitation to return to the fold.

Though why any american would want the UK's clowns to run anything is
beyond me. Maybe america will take a lesson from Parliament and
vote for a
person of intelligence and capability. (Nah!).

YMMV!

Fred.


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



From: Mercedes <mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com> on behalf of Dwight
Giles
via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Sent: 05 July 2016 16:05
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Dwight Giles
Subject: Re: [MBZ] July 4th

Thank you Fred,
I just learned the answer to he old puzzle-do they have the 4th of
July
in
England?. In Chester. Saw a sweet new C250 cdi.
Cheers,
Dwight

On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Happy Birthday America!

Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
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Re: [MBZ] July 4th

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

My lawyer once settled a business disagreement that might have gone to court by 
using the legal principle of "inadvertence" since the tort was unintentional. 
It stretched the legal meaning of the principle, but the plaintiffs lawyer 
decided not to sue; possibly because he thought the judge would invoke the 
principle.

"The term inadvertence is generally used in reference to a ground upon which a 
judgment may be set aside or vacated under the Rules of Federal Civil Procedure 
or state rules of civil procedure."

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Inadvertence

Mine was a civil procedure while Hillarys was/is a (criminal?) procedure?
Can inadvertence be used in potential criminal cases? Better ask Snook.

Did the Democratic administration get the FBI into the case so it could "clear" 
Hillary, and deprive the Republicans of an issue during the campaign?  H.
 
 
> On 05/07/2016 4:31 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes wrote:
> > I find it quite interesting that the FBI director presents evidence of 
> > several felonies, then proceeds to say there is nothing there for an 
> > indictment because it was not "intentional." Funny, I thought it was a 
> > US Attorney who would take evidence to a Federal Grand Jury then ask 
> > for an indictment.
> >
> > Oh wait, Bill (who is also apparently under a federal investigation) 
> > and Loretta got that sorted out the other day...  I guess it really is 
> > only poor people who can't get justice in the US.
> >
> > --JC
> >
> On 7/5/16 5:27 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Better tell the FBI really fast!
> >> On Jul 5, 2016 5:24 PM, "Joel Cairo via Mercedes" 
> >> <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> (f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or 
> >>> control
> >>> of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph,
> >>> photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, 
> >>> appliance,
> >>> note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through 
> >>> gross
> >>> negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of 
> >>> custody
> >>> or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, 
> >>> stolen,
> >>> abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has 
> >>> been
> >>> illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to 
> >>> anyone
> >>> in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or 
> >>> destroyed,
> >>> and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or
> >>> destruction to his superior officer—
> >>>
> >>> Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten 
> >>> years, or
> >>> both.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 7/5/16 4:40 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Dwight.
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes, England does celebrate the 4 th of July, and each year issues an
> >>>> invitation to return to the fold.
> >>>>
> >>>> Though why any american would want the UK's clowns to run anything is
> >>>> beyond me. Maybe america will take a lesson from Parliament and 
> >>>> vote for a
> >>>> person of intelligence and capability. (Nah!).
> >>>>
> >>>> YMMV!
> >>>>
> >>>> Fred.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Fred Moir.
> >>>> Lynn MA.
> >>>> Diesel preferred.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> 
> >>>> From: Mercedes <mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com> on behalf of Dwight 
> >>>> Giles
> >>>> via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >>>> Sent: 05 July 2016 16:05
> >>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> >>>> Cc: Dwight Giles
> >>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] July 4th
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you Fred,
> >>>> I just learned the answer to he old puzzle-do they have the 4th of 
> >>>> July
> >>>> in
> >>>> England?. In Chester. Saw a sweet new C250 cdi.
> >>>> Cheers,
> >>>> Dwight
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
> >>>> merced

Re: [MBZ] July 4th

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Denmark celebrates July 4th, too - Danish/American Day.

Wilton

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From: "Fred Moir via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: "Fred Moir" <fredh.s...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] July 4th



Dwight.

Yes, England does celebrate the 4 th of July, and each year issues an 
invitation to return to the fold.


Though why any american would want the UK's clowns to run anything is 
beyond me. Maybe america will take a lesson from Parliament and vote for a 
person of intelligence and capability. (Nah!).


YMMV!

Fred.


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



From: Mercedes <mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com> on behalf of Dwight Giles 
via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>

Sent: 05 July 2016 16:05
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Dwight Giles
Subject: Re: [MBZ] July 4th

Thank you Fred,
I just learned the answer to he old puzzle-do they have the  4th of July 
in

England?. In Chester. Saw a sweet new C250 cdi.
Cheers,
Dwight

On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Happy Birthday America!


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.


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Re: [MBZ] July 4th

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Lots of the poor folks get a break too.
Often it is the people in the middle class who get scr*wed.
They are not rich enough to have friends in high places and deep pockets 
to pay the best lawyers etc,  and they are not poor enough for the Judge 
to have any sympathy for them.


RB

On 05/07/2016 4:31 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes wrote:
I find it quite interesting that the FBI director presents evidence of 
several felonies, then proceeds to say there is nothing there for an 
indictment because it was not "intentional." Funny, I thought it was a 
US Attorney who would take evidence to a Federal Grand Jury then ask 
for an indictment.


Oh wait, Bill (who is also apparently under a federal investigation) 
and Loretta got that sorted out the other day...  I guess it really is 
only poor people who can't get justice in the US.


--JC


On 7/5/16 5:27 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Better tell the FBI really fast!
On Jul 5, 2016 5:24 PM, "Joel Cairo via Mercedes" 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com>

wrote:

(f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or 
control

of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph,
photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, 
appliance,
note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through 
gross
negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of 
custody
or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, 
stolen,
abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has 
been
illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to 
anyone
in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or 
destroyed,

and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or
destruction to his superior officer—

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten 
years, or

both.


On 7/5/16 4:40 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:


Dwight.

Yes, England does celebrate the 4 th of July, and each year issues an
invitation to return to the fold.

Though why any american would want the UK's clowns to run anything is
beyond me. Maybe america will take a lesson from Parliament and 
vote for a

person of intelligence and capability. (Nah!).

YMMV!

Fred.


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



From: Mercedes <mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com> on behalf of Dwight 
Giles

via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Sent: 05 July 2016 16:05
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Dwight Giles
Subject: Re: [MBZ] July 4th

Thank you Fred,
I just learned the answer to he old puzzle-do they have the 4th of 
July

in
England?. In Chester. Saw a sweet new C250 cdi.
Cheers,
Dwight

On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Happy Birthday America!


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
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Re: [MBZ] July 4th

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

I find it quite interesting that the FBI director presents evidence of 
several felonies, then proceeds to say there is nothing there for an 
indictment because it was not "intentional." Funny, I thought it was a 
US Attorney who would take evidence to a Federal Grand Jury then ask for 
an indictment.


Oh wait, Bill (who is also apparently under a federal investigation) and 
Loretta got that sorted out the other day...  I guess it really is only 
poor people who can't get justice in the US.


--JC


On 7/5/16 5:27 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Better tell the FBI really fast!
On Jul 5, 2016 5:24 PM, "Joel Cairo via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:


(f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control
of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph,
photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance,
note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross
negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody
or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen,
abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been
illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone
in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed,
and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or
destruction to his superior officer—

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or
both.


On 7/5/16 4:40 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:


Dwight.

Yes, England does celebrate the 4 th of July, and each year issues an
invitation to return to the fold.

Though why any american would want the UK's clowns to run anything is
beyond me. Maybe america will take a lesson from Parliament and vote for a
person of intelligence and capability. (Nah!).

YMMV!

Fred.


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



From: Mercedes <mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com> on behalf of Dwight Giles
via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Sent: 05 July 2016 16:05
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Dwight Giles
Subject: Re: [MBZ] July 4th

Thank you Fred,
I just learned the answer to he old puzzle-do they have the  4th of July
in
England?. In Chester. Saw a sweet new C250 cdi.
Cheers,
Dwight

On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Happy Birthday America!


Fred Moir.
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Re: [MBZ] July 4th

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Better tell the FBI really fast!
On Jul 5, 2016 5:24 PM, "Joel Cairo via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:

> (f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control
> of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph,
> photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance,
> note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross
> negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody
> or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen,
> abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been
> illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone
> in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed,
> and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or
> destruction to his superior officer—
>
> Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or
> both.
>
>
> On 7/5/16 4:40 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Dwight.
>>
>> Yes, England does celebrate the 4 th of July, and each year issues an
>> invitation to return to the fold.
>>
>> Though why any american would want the UK's clowns to run anything is
>> beyond me. Maybe america will take a lesson from Parliament and vote for a
>> person of intelligence and capability. (Nah!).
>>
>> YMMV!
>>
>> Fred.
>>
>>
>> Fred Moir.
>> Lynn MA.
>> Diesel preferred.
>>
>>
>> 
>> From: Mercedes <mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com> on behalf of Dwight Giles
>> via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> Sent: 05 July 2016 16:05
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>> Cc: Dwight Giles
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] July 4th
>>
>> Thank you Fred,
>> I just learned the answer to he old puzzle-do they have the  4th of July
>> in
>> England?. In Chester. Saw a sweet new C250 cdi.
>> Cheers,
>> Dwight
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> Happy Birthday America!
>>>
>>>
>>> Fred Moir.
>>> Lynn MA.
>>> Diesel preferred.
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] July 4th

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

(f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control 
of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, 
photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, 
appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) 
through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper 
place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to 
be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that 
the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or 
delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, 
abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, 
theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—


Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, 
or both.



On 7/5/16 4:40 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:

Dwight.

Yes, England does celebrate the 4 th of July, and each year issues an 
invitation to return to the fold.

Though why any american would want the UK's clowns to run anything is beyond 
me. Maybe america will take a lesson from Parliament and vote for a person of 
intelligence and capability. (Nah!).

YMMV!

Fred.


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



From: Mercedes <mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com> on behalf of Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Sent: 05 July 2016 16:05
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Dwight Giles
Subject: Re: [MBZ] July 4th

Thank you Fred,
I just learned the answer to he old puzzle-do they have the  4th of July in
England?. In Chester. Saw a sweet new C250 cdi.
Cheers,
Dwight

On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Happy Birthday America!


Fred Moir.
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Re: [MBZ] July 4th

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Dwight.

Yes, England does celebrate the 4 th of July, and each year issues an 
invitation to return to the fold.

Though why any american would want the UK's clowns to run anything is beyond 
me. Maybe america will take a lesson from Parliament and vote for a person of 
intelligence and capability. (Nah!).

YMMV!

Fred.


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



From: Mercedes <mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com> on behalf of Dwight Giles via 
Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Sent: 05 July 2016 16:05
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Dwight Giles
Subject: Re: [MBZ] July 4th

Thank you Fred,
I just learned the answer to he old puzzle-do they have the  4th of July in
England?. In Chester. Saw a sweet new C250 cdi.
Cheers,
Dwight

On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Happy Birthday America!
>
>
> Fred Moir.
> Lynn MA.
> Diesel preferred.

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Re: [MBZ] July 4th

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Beautiful old city-especially the  wall and the canal.

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 5:09 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes <
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> We have a friend who lives in Chester!
>
> --JC
>
>
>
> On 7/5/16 12:05 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Thank you Fred,
>> I just learned the answer to he old puzzle-do they have the  4th of July
>> in
>> England?. In Chester. Saw a sweet new C250 cdi.
>> Cheers,
>> Dwight
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
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>> Happy Birthday America!
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Re: [MBZ] July 4th

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

We have a friend who lives in Chester!

--JC


On 7/5/16 12:05 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote:

Thank you Fred,
I just learned the answer to he old puzzle-do they have the  4th of July in
England?. In Chester. Saw a sweet new C250 cdi.
Cheers,
Dwight

On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
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Happy Birthday America!


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Re: [MBZ] July 4th

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Thank you Fred,
I just learned the answer to he old puzzle-do they have the  4th of July in
England?. In Chester. Saw a sweet new C250 cdi.
Cheers,
Dwight

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> Happy Birthday America!
>
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Re: [MBZ] July 4th

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

That's a nice reflection, thanks!

Hope you all enjoyed the celebrations!
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
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On July 4, 2016 1:59:47 PM EDT, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Amen!
>
>is often asserted that the world has made a great deal of progress
>since
>1776, that we have had new thoughts and new experiences which have
>given us
>a great advance over the people of that day, and that we may therefore
>very
>well discard their conclusions for something more modern. But that
>reasoning
>can not be applied to this great charter. If all men are created equal,
>that
>is final. If they are endowed with inalienable rights, that is final.
>If
>governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed,
>that
>is final. No advance, no progress can be made beyond these
>propositions. If
>anyone wishes to deny their truth or their soundness, the only
>direction in
>which he can proceed historically is not forward, but backward toward
>the
>time when there was no equality, no rights of the individual, no rule
>of the
>people. Those who wish to proceed in that direction can not lay claim
>to
>progress. They are reactionary. Their ideas are not more modern, but
>more
>ancient, than those of the Revolutionary fathers.>>
>
>Calvin Coolidge, July 4, 1926
>
>Greg, a born-again American
>
>-Original Message-
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>Moir
>via Mercedes
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>Subject: [MBZ] July 4th
>
>Happy Birthday America!
>
>
>Fred Moir.
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Re: [MBZ] July 4th

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Greg wrote:
> < is often asserted that the world has made a great deal of progress since
> 1776, that we have had new thoughts and new experiences which have given us
> a great advance over the people of that day, and that we may therefore very
> well discard their conclusions for something more modern. But that reasoning
> can not be applied to this great charter. If all men are created equal, that
> is final. If they are endowed with inalienable rights, that is final. If
> governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed, that
> is final. No advance, no progress can be made beyond these propositions. If
> anyone wishes to deny their truth or their soundness, the only direction in
> which he can proceed historically is not forward, but backward toward the
> time when there was no equality, no rights of the individual, no rule of the
> people. Those who wish to proceed in that direction can not lay claim to
> progress. They are reactionary. Their ideas are not more modern, but more
> ancient, than those of the Revolutionary fathers.>>
>
> Calvin Coolidge, July 4, 1926

That works - thanks.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] July 4th

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

Amen!

<>

Calvin Coolidge, July 4, 1926

Greg, a born-again American

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Subject: [MBZ] July 4th

Happy Birthday America!


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Re: [MBZ] July 4th

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Yes, indeed! And many more to come . . .

On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 8:45 AM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
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> Happy Birthday America!
>
>
> Fred Moir.
>


-- 
OK Don

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Re: [MBZ] July 4th

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Craig wrote:
> You think?
>
> "A government big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take
> all you have."

Yeah, you are probably more correct in what you say / think.
I hear too much main-stream-radio... or, maybe it is non-main-stream...
Some Thom Hartmann, some Mike Rivero, some Tom Ashbrook, some Dennis
Prager, some Mike Gallagher, etc.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] July 4th

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 4 Jul 2016 11:44:25 -0500 Mountain Man via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Craig wrote:
> > May it long continue with freedom and liberty for all.
> 
> It may continue with freedom and liberty - IF we have some consensus
> on what liberty and freedom is.
> Probable erosion of freedom and liberty seems afoot.

You think?

"A government big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take
all you have."


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] July 4th

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Craig wrote:
> May it long continue with freedom and liberty for all.

It may continue with freedom and liberty - IF we have some consensus
on what liberty and freedom is.
Probable erosion of freedom and liberty seems afoot.
Seems we are ripe for fundamental sea change as happened 240-years ago.
?Perhaps?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] July 4th

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Amen.

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> +1
>
> > On Jul 4, 2016, at 9:45 AM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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> > Happy Birthday America!
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Re: [MBZ] July 4th

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

+1

> On Jul 4, 2016, at 9:45 AM, Fred Moir via Mercedes  
> wrote:
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> Happy Birthday America!
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Re: [MBZ] July 4th

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 4 Jul 2016 13:45:00 + Fred Moir via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Happy Birthday America!

May it long continue with freedom and liberty for all.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] July 4th

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

'merica, F yeah!

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  On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 9:45 AM, Fred Moir via Mercedes 
wrote:   Happy Birthday America!


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