Re: [MBZ] Why is 1968 a watershed year for Mercedes?
An ill woodwind that nobody blows good. ;-) -MMM- On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 12:47 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: It lost the rear swing axels? Close! It [Buffet clarinet] gained a polycylindrical bore in 1955. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Why is 1968 a watershed year for Mercedes?
This proves that poos is a moron and does not know what he is talking about. Those were the best vehicle years. The under hood 450 cat is the best thing ever. I am working on a plan to retrofit that into older and newer cars. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 21, 2015, at 9:06 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I wrenched heavily at this time and saw the worst of the pollution controlled, poorly built American iron. It was gawdawful stuff and you could tell the engineers were flying by the seats of their pants. 1974-5 were probably the worst years, in my opinion. Just horrible in so many ways. Dan Sent from my iPad On Aug 21, 2015, at 9:56 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I feel like the American car builders could have suffered through the malaise era if build quality had been decent but considering the truly awful build quality of the time its no surprise people looked to the east.Also considering what crappy cars asia was producing if the Americans had kept their build quality high the asian makers would have never gotten a foothold.My in-laws have a Ford Fusion that is an excellent car, probably the best made vehicle they've ever had and at least as good as any Toyota but the resale value pales when next to a Camry. -Curt From: Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why is 1968 a watershed year for Mercedes? It was the beginning of the end for merkun iron too. 1968 cars had rudimentary smog crap hung on em. By 1974, merkun iron was fully smothered and were total crap. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Why is 1968 a watershed year for Mercedes?
I'm talking about domestic cars, not MBs. But since you brought it up As for the 450SLs, those things were total nightmares. I've seen tons of them here in Floridia, and every one of them has a cooked engine compartment from those cats. Dan Sent from my iPad On Aug 21, 2015, at 10:24 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: This proves that poos is a moron and does not know what he is talking about. Those were the best vehicle years. The under hood 450 cat is the best thing ever. I am working on a plan to retrofit that into older and newer cars. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 21, 2015, at 9:06 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I wrenched heavily at this time and saw the worst of the pollution controlled, poorly built American iron. It was gawdawful stuff and you could tell the engineers were flying by the seats of their pants. 1974-5 were probably the worst years, in my opinion. Just horrible in so many ways. Dan Sent from my iPad On Aug 21, 2015, at 9:56 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I feel like the American car builders could have suffered through the malaise era if build quality had been decent but considering the truly awful build quality of the time its no surprise people looked to the east.Also considering what crappy cars asia was producing if the Americans had kept their build quality high the asian makers would have never gotten a foothold.My in-laws have a Ford Fusion that is an excellent car, probably the best made vehicle they've ever had and at least as good as any Toyota but the resale value pales when next to a Camry. -Curt From: Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why is 1968 a watershed year for Mercedes? It was the beginning of the end for merkun iron too. 1968 cars had rudimentary smog crap hung on em. By 1974, merkun iron was fully smothered and were total crap. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Why is 1968 a watershed year for Mercedes?
I feel like the American car builders could have suffered through the malaise era if build quality had been decent but considering the truly awful build quality of the time its no surprise people looked to the east.Also considering what crappy cars asia was producing if the Americans had kept their build quality high the asian makers would have never gotten a foothold.My in-laws have a Ford Fusion that is an excellent car, probably the best made vehicle they've ever had and at least as good as any Toyota but the resale value pales when next to a Camry. -Curt From: Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why is 1968 a watershed year for Mercedes? It was the beginning of the end for merkun iron too. 1968 cars had rudimentary smog crap hung on em. By 1974, merkun iron was fully smothered and were total crap. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Why is 1968 a watershed year for Mercedes?
I wrenched heavily at this time and saw the worst of the pollution controlled, poorly built American iron. It was gawdawful stuff and you could tell the engineers were flying by the seats of their pants. 1974-5 were probably the worst years, in my opinion. Just horrible in so many ways. Dan Sent from my iPad On Aug 21, 2015, at 9:56 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I feel like the American car builders could have suffered through the malaise era if build quality had been decent but considering the truly awful build quality of the time its no surprise people looked to the east.Also considering what crappy cars asia was producing if the Americans had kept their build quality high the asian makers would have never gotten a foothold.My in-laws have a Ford Fusion that is an excellent car, probably the best made vehicle they've ever had and at least as good as any Toyota but the resale value pales when next to a Camry. -Curt From: Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why is 1968 a watershed year for Mercedes? It was the beginning of the end for merkun iron too. 1968 cars had rudimentary smog crap hung on em. By 1974, merkun iron was fully smothered and were total crap. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Why is 1968 a watershed year for Mercedes?
It was the beginning of the end for merkun iron too. 1968 cars had rudimentary smog crap hung on em. By 1974, merkun iron was fully smothered and were total crap. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Why is 1968 a watershed year for Mercedes?
The most amazing car I ever owned was a 1950 DeSoto with the semi-automatic transmission. It had a clutch but was impossible to stall when stopping using brake only (break, if you prefer). I bought TWO cars in sequential years in Boston and Minneapolis, for a grand total of $100 and sold them for a grand total of $25 ($15, $10) one year later. The demise of this marque should not be mourned. On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: This proves that poos is a moron and does not know what he is talking about. Those were the best vehicle years. The under hood 450 cat is the best thing ever. I am working on a plan to retrofit that into older and newer cars. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 21, 2015, at 9:06 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I wrenched heavily at this time and saw the worst of the pollution controlled, poorly built American iron. It was gawdawful stuff and you could tell the engineers were flying by the seats of their pants. 1974-5 were probably the worst years, in my opinion. Just horrible in so many ways. Dan Sent from my iPad On Aug 21, 2015, at 9:56 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I feel like the American car builders could have suffered through the malaise era if build quality had been decent but considering the truly awful build quality of the time its no surprise people looked to the east.Also considering what crappy cars asia was producing if the Americans had kept their build quality high the asian makers would have never gotten a foothold.My in-laws have a Ford Fusion that is an excellent car, probably the best made vehicle they've ever had and at least as good as any Toyota but the resale value pales when next to a Camry. -Curt From: Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why is 1968 a watershed year for Mercedes? It was the beginning of the end for merkun iron too. 1968 cars had rudimentary smog crap hung on em. By 1974, merkun iron was fully smothered and were total crap. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Why is 1968 a watershed year for Mercedes?
http://www.npr.org/2015/08/20/433010969/sales-of-convertibles-are-decelerating-blame-the-fuel-economy Dan Sent from my iPad On Aug 21, 2015, at 3:07 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Interesting, I have not heard that in the auto biz Sent from my iPhone On Aug 21, 2015, at 1:46 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Correct. And why, I don't know, but there are tons of 75s around here. They used to be cheap as wine, but now people seem to think they're valuable. Interesting story on All Things Considered yesterday about how convertibles are going away, and how most manufacturers are getting out of making them. Most of it has to do with efforts to meet the CAFE standards in a few years. Dan Sent from my iPad On Aug 21, 2015, at 2:17 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The cats were under the hood in only the '75 and '76 models - On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: As for the 450SLs, those things were total nightmares. I've seen tons of them here in Floridia, and every one of them has a cooked engine compartment from those cats. Dan -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Why is 1968 a watershed year for Mercedes?
The cats were under the hood in only the '75 and '76 models - On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: As for the 450SLs, those things were total nightmares. I've seen tons of them here in Floridia, and every one of them has a cooked engine compartment from those cats. Dan -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Why is 1968 a watershed year for Mercedes?
Correct. And why, I don't know, but there are tons of 75s around here. They used to be cheap as wine, but now people seem to think they're valuable. Interesting story on All Things Considered yesterday about how convertibles are going away, and how most manufacturers are getting out of making them. Most of it has to do with efforts to meet the CAFE standards in a few years. Dan Sent from my iPad On Aug 21, 2015, at 2:17 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The cats were under the hood in only the '75 and '76 models - On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: As for the 450SLs, those things were total nightmares. I've seen tons of them here in Floridia, and every one of them has a cooked engine compartment from those cats. Dan -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Why is 1968 a watershed year for Mercedes?
Interesting, I have not heard that in the auto biz Sent from my iPhone On Aug 21, 2015, at 1:46 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Correct. And why, I don't know, but there are tons of 75s around here. They used to be cheap as wine, but now people seem to think they're valuable. Interesting story on All Things Considered yesterday about how convertibles are going away, and how most manufacturers are getting out of making them. Most of it has to do with efforts to meet the CAFE standards in a few years. Dan Sent from my iPad On Aug 21, 2015, at 2:17 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The cats were under the hood in only the '75 and '76 models - On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: As for the 450SLs, those things were total nightmares. I've seen tons of them here in Floridia, and every one of them has a cooked engine compartment from those cats. Dan -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Why is 1968 a watershed year for Mercedes?
It lost the rear swing axels? Close! It [Buffet clarinet] gained a polycylindrical bore in 1955. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Why is 1968 a watershed year for Mercedes?
1968 saw the introduction of the new sedans -- ball joints and double joint rear axles instead of the 1952 king pin front end and swing axles in the back (and they DO jack, just like a Corvair, but they don't flip the car over. Included were anti-dive front end geometry and greatly reduce front pivot axis offset. Greatly improved handling -- I have had both styles and greatly prefer the new one. Only real difficulty is that it's possible to force the outside front tire off the rim in extreme cornering, a habit cured by a lighter rear anti-sway bar the rear in the W123 and W116 chassis. 1968 was also the introduction year for electronic fuel injection, a vast improvement over the mechanical and carbs. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Why is 1968 a watershed year for Mercedes?
Ah, it all changed in 1968, especially for the W108/9. The coarse MB tex, the new ugly soft knobs, the heater levers that fell apart, the harsh strip of MB Tex across the dash, things were painted sliver instead of chrome, the start of some emissions controls, the torque converter. The list goes on and on. Give me a 1967 250S, 250SE, or 300SEL over any later car any day. I've owned both, several of each. Jaime '67 300SEL, among others. On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On 20/08/2015 9:54 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: What does too old in a clarinet mean? Whatever she wants it to mean? Played out (they don't last forever, hot breath and saliva attack the wood). Old ergonomics. Not impressive enough to her friends. The list goes on... In this case, 1955 is the watershed year for the brand, similar to 1968 for Mercedes. Both of my finds are before this date. -- Jim ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It lost the rear swing axels? On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 10:25 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On 20/08/2015 9:54 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: What does too old in a clarinet mean? Whatever she wants it to mean? Played out (they don't last forever, hot breath and saliva attack the wood). Old ergonomics. Not impressive enough to her friends. The list goes on... In this case, 1955 is the watershed year for the brand, similar to 1968 for Mercedes. Both of my finds are before this date. -- Jim ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
