Re: [MBZ] The Battle of Palmdale

2015-08-17 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
I think all three missile types would guide on that target and their warheads would function making multiple holes in the Hellcat. The unknown is the vulnerability of the Hellcat. I suspect the pilot was the largest critical thing in that aircraft, which is not a factor here. So it depends on the

Re: [MBZ] The Battle of Palmdale

2015-08-17 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
And Joe Kennedy was killed by a B-24 "drone" in about '44. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Curly McLain via Mercedes" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Cc: "Curly McLain" <126die...@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 12:00 AM

Re: [MBZ] The Battle of Palmdale

2015-08-17 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes
Yes, but how well could they do against an unmanned Hellcat drone? My money's on the Grumman. ;D -MMM- On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 12:11 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Current F-14/15/16/18 US fighters have internal 20mm guns plus three types > of guided air-to-ai

Re: [MBZ] The Battle of Palmdale

2015-08-16 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
Current F-14/15/16/18 US fighters have internal 20mm guns plus three types of guided air-to-air missiles: AIM-9 short-range heat-seeking missiles, AIM-7 long-range semi-active radar-guided missiles, and AMRAAM medium-range multi-mode radar/inertial missiles. There are several variants of each

Re: [MBZ] The Battle of Palmdale

2015-08-16 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
I think all current fighters have both guns and missiles? I know the F/A-18 has both. F-4 Phantom was another "missiles only" fighter, and I think engagements in Mig alley convinced fighter designers that missiles are nice, but guns are required. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300

Re: [MBZ] The Battle of Palmdale

2015-08-16 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> On August 16, 2015 at 2:47 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > > Sounds like the drones were abut as reliable as the rockets they attempted to > shoot it down with… Imagine if it were a manned, armed MiG taking evasive action on its way to attack something important. That's what those

Re: [MBZ] The Battle of Palmdale

2015-08-16 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
Mitch wrote: On August 16, 1956 Air Force fighters attacked a runaway Hellcat over southern California and missed. Drone? Radio controlled drone? 60 years ago? ...ah... the age of technology. Too bad drones today are not as reliable, or something... mao When did Mitch write that? I have n

Re: [MBZ] The Battle of Palmdale

2015-08-16 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
Folding-fin rockets are notoriously inaccurate. Unless all fins deploy at precisely the same time (yeah, right) the non-symmetrical initial fin configuration will steer the rocket off course. Definitely the wrong weapon for this job but I guess that's what was available on no-notice. All target

Re: [MBZ] The Battle of Palmdale

2015-08-16 Thread Fred Moir via Mercedes
Jindivik anyone? Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. > Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 13:44:08 -0500 > To: mi...@mitchellhaley.com; mercedes@okiebenz.com > Subject: Re: [MBZ] The Battle of Palmdale > From: mercedes@okiebenz.com > CC: maontin@gmail.com > > Mitch wrote: >

Re: [MBZ] The Battle of Palmdale

2015-08-16 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Sounds like the drones were abut as reliable as the rockets they attempted to shoot it down with… Dan > On Aug 16, 2015, at 2:44 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes > wrote: > > Mitch wrote: >> On August 16, 1956 Air Force fighters attacked a runaway Hellcat over >> southern >> California and miss

Re: [MBZ] The Battle of Palmdale

2015-08-16 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Mitch wrote: > On August 16, 1956 Air Force fighters attacked a runaway Hellcat over southern > California and missed. Drone? Radio controlled drone? 60 years ago? ...ah... the age of technology. Too bad drones today are not as reliable, or something... mao ___