List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] [OT] Radial Engines
My neighbor in Massachusetts had many hours in B-17s, and visited
Germany several times in them, making some deliveries of American
industrial products, but never got the opportunity to stay any length of
time. He was also afraid of heights, couldn't
Yeah, their warranties got voided pretty quickly.
--R
Tom Hargrave wrote:
American industrial products that went boom upon delivery?
I've got 48 minutes logged in the right seat of a B-17. It was a
test flight in Florida. It was converted to a crop duster (actually the
screw worm). I would have to look it up but seems to me it was about the
early 70's. Sorta' one of my life highlights. I got some time in: UC-78
(T-50,
Sounds great!! I envy those who can fly. I never tire of hearing stories.
:-)
Zeb
On 22/01/07, Walt Lasher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've got 48 minutes logged in the right seat of a B-17. It was a
test flight in Florida. It was converted to a crop duster (actually the
screw worm). I
My neighbor in Massachusetts had many hours in B-17s, and visited
Germany several times in them, making some deliveries of American
industrial products, but never got the opportunity to stay any length of
time. He was also afraid of heights, couldn't climb a 6ft ladder, but
had no problem in
Rich Thomas wrote:
My neighbor in Massachusetts had many hours in B-17s, and visited
Germany several times in them, making some deliveries of American
industrial products, but never got the opportunity to stay any length of
time. He was also afraid of heights, couldn't climb a 6ft ladder,
Subject: Re: [MBZ] [OT] Radial Engines
Rich Thomas wrote:
My neighbor in Massachusetts had many hours in B-17s, and visited
Germany several times in them, making some deliveries of American
industrial products, but never got the opportunity to stay any length of
time. He was also afraid
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 09:21:31 -0500, Allan Streib wrote
Heh. Yeah. We had a B-17 on display at the local airport here a
couple of years ago. The were offering rides, but it was too rich
for my blood (couple of hundred $$ for a 30 minute flight).
I did spend a fair chunk of change for a
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 08:07:53 -0800, Jim Cathey wrote
Probably the same plane that flew over our house last fall.
Loud, I recall that. And shiny. My 5yo boy recognized it
from a book of military planes that grandpa had given him.
Aren't too many operable B17's left, and I know a guy that
I missed the M100 reference. Yes, the 6.9 is a M100, but not all M100's
are dry sump, only the 6.9. The 6.3 is normal.
Loren Faeth wrote:
I thought I covered that by mentioning the M100 Isn't the 6.9 an M100?
--
Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
(2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89
David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Gotta love that rough, cammy idle. To me it somehow suggests raw
power better than the whine of an idling jet engine.
Heh. Yeah. We had a B-17 on display at the local airport here a
couple of years ago. The were offering rides, but it was too rich
Heh. Yeah. We had a B-17 on display at the local airport here a
couple of years ago. The were offering rides, but it was too rich for
my blood (couple of hundred $$ for a 30 minute flight).
Probably the same plane that flew over our house last fall.
Loud, I recall that. And shiny. My 5yo
Yeah, the Confederate Air Force has what I believe to be the last
operating one -- they have been retired for some years now from
waterbomber work out west (so have their converted Lockheed Hercules, I
think).
The exhaust comes out of the bottom of the engine nacelle straight off
the
Speaking of B-17's - this is a great book!
http://www.amazon.com/Wrong-Stuff-Adventures-Misadventures-Aviator/dp/0806134224/sr=8-3/qid=1169403401/ref=pd_bbs_sr_3/105-4223530-6188429?ie=UTF8s=books
or
http://tinyurl.com/2zbbmg
No one was surprised by a high altitude air raid, you could hear
I think there are one or two companies like this where you can still hitch a
ride.
http://www.b17.org/
There was a company offering rides in P51s too. I helped out a little with
the restoration of a later model Lanc. Well, the resto is still going on.
Just loved those engines. I believe the
Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs
Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/
.
- Original Message -
From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] [OT] Radial
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] [OT] Radial Engines
The dry sump was also used on the M100 engine, Triumph motorcycles and
lots
of aircraft applications. I think the 300SL (not the 90s one, but the
real 300SL) had a dry sump. I believe the water cooled Allisons
Didn't the old Avro Shackleton have a dual prop setup too? I know the old
Merlin engines had about a 50 gal per hour burn, so in a Lanc, that was 200
gallons per hour. wow! I think they built them (radial) lose for a reason.
I think Colt built their 1911 .45s that way for similar reasons. If
/
.
- Original Message -
From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] [OT] Radial Engines
The dry sump was also used on the M100 engine, Triumph motorcycles and
lots
of aircraft applications. I
Ours didn't leak very much - there was a fair amount of smoke on
starting, but it didn't last very long. I never tried to figure out
how they kept all the oil from ending up in the bottom cylinders. The
spark plug holes (two per cylinder) were horizontal (hemi combustion
chambers) and 180 degrees
Those mail D18s didn't get the greatest maintenance! Our Jacobs 300HP
R755(?) used less than a of oil pint and 16 gallons of gas an hour at
160 mph in the Cessna 195 (N9895A).
On 1/19/07, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My college summer job was at the airport, a ramp rat. I used to fill
On Fri, 19 Jan 2007, OK Don wrote:
Ours didn't leak very much - there was a fair amount of smoke on
starting, but it didn't last very long. I never tried to figure out
how they kept all the oil from ending up in the bottom cylinders. The
spark plug holes (two per cylinder) were horizontal
Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] [OT] Radial Engines
The dry sump was also used on the M100 engine, Triumph motorcycles and
lots
of aircraft applications. I think the 300SL (not the 90s one, but the
real 300SL) had a dry sump
Yup - you covered it.
On 1/19/07, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I thought I covered that by mentioning the M100 Isn't the 6.9 an M100?
--
OK Don, KD5NRO
Norman, OK
Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just
sit there.
Will Rogers
'90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81
Yes - and they were timed 2 (IIRC) degrees apart. Even at only
2200RPM, it took a long time to burn that volume of fuel/air - helped
to start the flame on both sides of the chamber.
Aaah redundant plugs and magnetoes I guess?
-j.
___
Yeah, it was pretty clapped out, or it looked that way. But the thing
flew and hauled the mail night after night, so I guess it was OK.
--R
OK Don wrote:
Those mail D18s didn't get the greatest maintenance!
When I lived in Redmond, OR, I often heard the old forest fire retardant
tanker planes fly overhead. They are 40's or 50's vintage planes, and they
had quite a growl. It's quite possible that they were powered by radial
engines from the sounds of them.
Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
1983 300SD 266K
On Fri, 19 Jan 2007, E M wrote:
If you even hear a radial idle on the ground, you think they're going to
fall apart. hee hee
Gotta love that rough, cammy idle. To me it somehow suggests raw power
better than the whine of an idling jet engine.
The sump is a separate tank - I think they call these 'dry sump'
engines. Oil doe s collect in the bottom cylinders while it's sitting
- you have slowly crank the engine through a couple of turns before
trying to start it (aircraft application). They have been known to
blow a cylinder or two off
Sounds like it would 1) leak a lot, and 2) smoke even more
Nifty feature, that self-hydrolocking. I guess the spark plug threads on the
bottom cylinders wear out sooner than those on the upper ones :P
Fun Fun!
-j.
--
John Reames
1985 300d (223K Gerta)
1991 Cherokee (149K the fishbowl)
1999
My college summer job was at the airport, a ramp rat. I used to fill up
the old Beech D18 from a night of hauling the mail, would take a 5 gal
can of oil up on each wing and pour in 3-4 gal in each radial engine.
Not sure where it went once it went down the hole (I know where the part
that
: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] [OT] Radial Engines
My college summer job was at the airport, a ramp rat. I used to fill up
the old Beech D18 from a night of hauling the mail, would
The dry sump was also used on the M100 engine, Triumph motorcycles and lots
of aircraft applications. I think the 300SL (not the 90s one, but the
real 300SL) had a dry sump. I believe the water cooled Allisons, Rolls
Royce and Daimler-Benz V-12 aircraft engines of WWII were all dry sump
Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/
.
- Original Message -
From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] [OT] Radial Engines
The dry sump was also used on the M100 engine
, January 19, 2007 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] [OT] Radial Engines
Avgas and JetA weigh in at 6#/gal, water is 8ish, I would guess oil is
closer to 6, maybe a bit more. A big bucket swinging around on a wet
oily wing seems to weigh a TON!
I got to fly once by happenstance (the steamer ran aground
and to get the planed loaded properly - we used 8#s as a number to get
us
close when calculating fuel weight.
Or as my dad always said: A pint's a pound the world around.
He had flight training, in the reserves.
-- Jim
Sometimes that isn't a bad thing!
--R
LarryT wrote:
Thanks Rich - my memory isn;t what is used to be. ;-)
I heard from a WWII airman that a B-26 used 50 gal of fuel and 5 gal of
oil and hour in cruise flight, more at full throttle.
Those old radial engines were sloppy -- oil dribbled out the pushrod
tubes, the head gaskets, and jug seals, and they do burn quite a bit.
1940's technology, mostly
38 matches
Mail list logo
