Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D
Good call, I would agree with the comment that it’s clearly a “former” water separator from the looks of things. -D > On Sep 27, 2023, at 5:59 PM, MG via Mercedes wrote: > > That looks like a fuel-water separator. The bowl hangs down you can just see > it and at the very bottom, the silver thing, is the water drain petcock. > > MG > > Craig via Mercedes wrote: >> On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 17:52:23 + "dan penoff.com via Mercedes" >> wrote: >>> Very nice, plus it’s a stick *and* it has AC. >> I see the A/C hoses next to the passenger side fender well, but I do not >> see the York compressor on the front of the engine. >> Our 1972 220D/8 had the York compressor mounted high on a large plate at >> the front of the engine. >> Ours had white, single-stage paint, which was nice to recover. >> What is the thing at the rear of the engine compartment next to the >> passenger side fender well (picture attached)? IIRC, ours did not have >> that (and boy, do I wish I had some electronic pictures of that car!). >> I see it has the typical dash crack in the typical place ... >> I also noticed: 1972 Mercedes-Benz 220d Sedan 4D >> $8,000 >> Listed a year ago in Montebello, CA >>> Looks like it needs motor mounts, though. >> And probably the front sub-frame mounts, too. >>> That’s surface rust from condensation trapped by the rubber mat that >>> used to cover the trunk floor. While those things were rugged as heck, >>> they contributed significantly to rust on the trunk floor. Best thing >>> to do is brush it to get the loose stuff off, then POR-15 it into >>> submission. >> With as much rust is on the spare tire's wheel, could it have lived in an >> area with snow and salt? >> Craig >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D
On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 17:59:59 -0400 MG via Mercedes wrote: > That looks like a fuel-water separator. The bowl > hangs down you can just see it and at the very > bottom, the silver thing, is the water drain petcock. Aha! Thank you! Craig > Craig via Mercedes wrote: > > > What is the thing at the rear of the engine compartment next to the > > passenger side fender well (picture attached)? IIRC, ours did not have > > that (and boy, do I wish I had some electronic pictures of that car!). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D
That looks like a fuel-water separator. The bowl hangs down you can just see it and at the very bottom, the silver thing, is the water drain petcock. MG Craig via Mercedes wrote: On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 17:52:23 + "dan penoff.com via Mercedes" wrote: Very nice, plus it’s a stick *and* it has AC. I see the A/C hoses next to the passenger side fender well, but I do not see the York compressor on the front of the engine. Our 1972 220D/8 had the York compressor mounted high on a large plate at the front of the engine. Ours had white, single-stage paint, which was nice to recover. What is the thing at the rear of the engine compartment next to the passenger side fender well (picture attached)? IIRC, ours did not have that (and boy, do I wish I had some electronic pictures of that car!). I see it has the typical dash crack in the typical place ... I also noticed: 1972 Mercedes-Benz 220d Sedan 4D $8,000 Listed a year ago in Montebello, CA Looks like it needs motor mounts, though. And probably the front sub-frame mounts, too. That’s surface rust from condensation trapped by the rubber mat that used to cover the trunk floor. While those things were rugged as heck, they contributed significantly to rust on the trunk floor. Best thing to do is brush it to get the loose stuff off, then POR-15 it into submission. With as much rust is on the spare tire's wheel, could it have lived in an area with snow and salt? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D
Very nice, plus it’s a stick *and* it has AC. Looks like it needs motor mounts, though. That’s surface rust from condensation trapped by the rubber mat that used to cover the trunk floor. While those things were rugged as heck, they contributed significantly to rust on the trunk floor. Best thing to do is brush it to get the loose stuff off, then POR-15 it into submission. -D > On Sep 26, 2023, at 1:09 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > Yes very nice looking. Trunk floor might be rusty, or perhaps it's just > surface rust. > > > >> On Tue, Sep 26, 2023, at 11:42, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: >> That is a nice one. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> On Sep 26, 2023, at 7:33 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/636101657835916/ >>> >>> Oh my. Oh my. >>> >>> AZBob >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D
Yes very nice looking. Trunk floor might be rusty, or perhaps it's just surface rust. On Tue, Sep 26, 2023, at 11:42, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: > That is a nice one. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 26, 2023, at 7:33 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/636101657835916/ >> >> Oh my. Oh my. >> >> AZBob >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D
That is a nice one. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 26, 2023, at 7:33 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes > wrote: > > https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/636101657835916/ > > Oh my. Oh my. > > AZBob > > > Sent from my iPad > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 1972 220D
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[MBZ] 1972 220D Lost Key $500
I spotted this one on the local Craigslist just a few miles from me. The car is all there, it’s been parked for 5 years, but ran before he lost the key. He got the VIN coded key, but somebody changed the iggie at some point so the key doesn’t work. He disassembled it enough to know that he couldn’t fix it himself. Are these cars like the W123/126 in the way of ignition lock removal? Is it possible to hook a battery up and start it without the key using just the start pull lever? If this one’s worth buying, how much should I expect to pay for having it fixed if it’s not a DIIY job? Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D Lost Key $500
Are these cars like the W123/126 in the way of ignition lock removal? Pretty much. Is it possible to hook a battery up and start it without the key using just the start pull lever? Not really, in that the key is _supposed_ to interlock the knob. But sometimes that interlock is broken... However, if you get under the hood and can disconnect the knob's cable and run the IP by hand, and hotwire the glow system, and the starter, then you should be good no matter what the key says about it. Alternator won't charge, though. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D Lost Key $500
On Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:20:22 -0700 Kevin Kraly kr...@comcast.net wrote: Are these cars like the W123/126 in the way of ignition lock removal? Sorry, Kevin, I don't know; it's been a long time since I worked on the W115 we had. I would guess, though, that it would be somewhat a similar process of turning the key to a specific position and inserting a wire/pin in a hole to be able to remove a shield cylinder/plate. Hopefully, someone that currently has a W115 will chime in. Is it possible to hook a battery up and start it without the key using just the start pull lever? I do recall one time driving our '72 220D/8 and wondering if it would run on no electricity. In a deserted part of roadway, I punched the Pull Knob to turn the engine off and allow the key to be turned to off. I then pulled the pull knob out and it ran just fine -- I couldn't steer, of course, but it ran just fine. I quickly unlocked the steering and drove on. So, it will be possible to have it run. Most likely, though, you will find that the starter won't run when you pull the Pull Knob all the way out (actually, I can almost guarantee that). You will have to have someone short the top, battery cable terminal on the starter solenoid to the middle terminal on the solenoid with a big screwdriver to have the starter engage and turn the engine. If this one’s worth buying, how much should I expect to pay for having it fixed if it’s not a DIIY job? I would expect you will have to have the lock drilled out (the armor plate in front of it, actually) and then replace the lock and armor plate and anything else that was damaged. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D Lost Key $500
I spotted this one on the local Craigslist just a few miles from me. The car is all there, it's been parked for 5 years, but ran before he lost the key. He got the VIN coded key, but somebody changed the iggie at some point so the key doesn't work. He disassembled it enough to know that he couldn't fix it himself. Are these cars like the W123/126 in the way of ignition lock removal? Pretty much the same, except the pull is part of the unit. Is it possible to hook a battery up and start it without the key using just the start pull lever? Not the best approach. Put in a good battery. Disconnect the push/pull cable at the inj pump. (this will allow the lever on the pump to move from the off position (Forward) to the run position. (center) you can also work the lever front to back to make sure it goes to the center when you are not pushing one way or t'other. This is a check to make sure the rack is not sticky. If you have a remote start switch or a helper, hold the lever back for starting. That will give it full fuel. Be prepared for the governor to jam it forward when the engine starts. Don't get pinched. I've always been ok just leaving it in the run position. If you have a remote start switch, use it. If not jump the bat+ terminal (big one on top) on the starter solenoid to the solenoid coil terminal (small one) Dem Dissels don't need no 'lectricity. to run. Alternative is to disconnect the push pull cable at the IP and push or pull the car. (Better have a straight shot, as the steering will be locked.) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 1972 220D
Anyone interested in an Automatic 220D 199K miles, only 48K on a Mercedes rebuilt engine. Car is in very good shape. All service records, no major rust one family since new. Email me at work only [EMAIL PROTECTED] for all details (not going to answer any questions in this forum please) Budget price on car is $2,500. Car has had a full mechanical inspection by an MB independent shop. Car located in Southern AL, but is drivable anywhere and would be a great daily driver. Car has a block heater. Not a Katrina car. Fine example of a 615, early 115 chassis. yes all HVAC fans work. Regards Tom Scordato
Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D
Tom, I have faith in your car to be. I drove mine from Connecticut to Miami and back and that was with a non-functioning alternator. I drove carefree during the day. Never turned the car off at night until I found a suitable hotel - that is one where I could park next to an outlet so that I could plug in my battery charger. That was nine years ago. 3 years ago I drove the car cross country and back. That time the alternator was working. I remember being on the highway in Sacramento when some guy in a Camry was desperately trying to get my attention. I roll down my window and he asks in an excited tone, did you just drive that car all the way from Connecticut. I reply, yes thinking that he must of noticed my CT plates and tailgate covered in 3000 miles of soot. Dimitri 73 220D --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dimitri said better than 800,000 miles on the clock. Wow, impressive I am going to buy the one I am looking at only has 200K and engine was replaced at 150K and rebuilt by an MB mechanic (have all history on the car).. Just need to get the injector pump adjusted and we should be good to go, drive from Pensicola area to PA. had a full inspection and it passes my standards. Regards Tom - Original Message - From: Dimitri Seretakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D My 73 220D has better than 800,000 miles on the clock. Engine rebuilt once or twice since new per original owner. Don't know the extent of the rebuild(s). Maybe they fixed things in 1973. Dimitri Peter Frederick wrote: Marshal: Concerning rebuilds and factory engines on the W115 -- MB had quite a few problems with pre-mature wear on that engine, and factory originals are prone to excessive cylinder wear. A miss-match between piston, sleeve, and ring types will also do the same thing on rebuilds. My friend remembers them being replaced a lot under warranty (or rebuilt with high nickel sleeves and different pistons) -- and today one with 150,000 original miles may be a smoker. Terrible head cracking problems during the 60's as well, during which time his father stopped using MB diesels in his taxi business. MB was eventually forced to give extended warranties on heads by the German government. Something about taking the head design away from the actual producer because it was cheaper, then changing it, somewhat less than successfully. I agree that rebuilds done in the US can be horrible -- if not done to MB tolerances, you can end up with one burning a quart of oil in 200 miles within 10,000 miles of rebuild! Some are so sloppy the rings never seat -- my brother and I got one like that to replace his 617 with a broken crank (again, a crappy rebuild -- orange silicone slopped all over the oil filter housing gasket, a big slug sat on the #2 main oil hole --- you can guess the result). That replacement engine had a ring ridge almost 0.015 deep! Bore was 0.005 larger than the piston, pistons had extruded ring lands, crank was ground to the nearest SAE dimension SMALLER than the minimum metric size allowed, was only smooth and shiny where ti ran on the bearings, valve were way beyond terminal wear, and the valve guides were all 0.005 or more oversize. I don't think it ran long, I'm quite surprised it ever started. I don't remember what the bearing clearance was on the crank when we got the engine, but I think it was 0.005 or more. We rebuilt it properly (after much discussion about valve guide clearance at the machine shop), and it's been running for six years now -- starts instantly no matter how cold it gets, very little black smoke and never uses oil between changes. Has 45 lbs oil pressure at idle hot unless you just pulled off the interstate! Peter I remember that the '68 and 69 615 engines were flawed. I thought that by 1970 they had worked out the problems (but i never owned a 515 - I owned a pair of 616s). Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D
Dimitri said Tom, I have faith in your car to be. I drove mine from Connecticut to Miami and back and that was with a non-functioning alternator. I drove carefree during the day. Never turned the car off at night until I found a suitable hotel - that is one where I could park next to an outlet so that I could plug in my battery charger. That was nine years ago. 3 years ago I drove the car cross country and back. That time the alternator was working. I remember being on the highway in Sacramento when some guy in a Camry was desperately trying to get my attention. I roll down my window and he asks in an excited tone, did you just drive that car all the way from Connecticut. I reply, yes thinking that he must of noticed my CT plates and tailgate covered in 3000 miles of soot. Dimitri, you are a man after my own heart. great Story I figure the trip from the south to PA will give me a chance to work out the bugs I flew out and picked up my 1979 240D last fall and drove it over 2,000 miles having just test drove it that day. Climb to Flagstaff AZ was great as I am sure the one over the Rockies was for your old bear. Thanks for the words of encouragement. The 1979 240D is a little high tech for me. It has an am/fm with a cassette and electric windows. Also came witha old version of GPS. A truck stop supplied rand mcnally road atlas. Looking for something more simple like the 220D to fill my void for a back up machine. Regards Tom Scordato, - Original Message - From: Dimitri Seretakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D Tom, I have faith in your car to be. I drove mine from Connecticut to Miami and back and that was with a non-functioning alternator. I drove carefree during the day. Never turned the car off at night until I found a suitable hotel - that is one where I could park next to an outlet so that I could plug in my battery charger. That was nine years ago. 3 years ago I drove the car cross country and back. That time the alternator was working. I remember being on the highway in Sacramento when some guy in a Camry was desperately trying to get my attention. I roll down my window and he asks in an excited tone, did you just drive that car all the way from Connecticut. I reply, yes thinking that he must of noticed my CT plates and tailgate covered in 3000 miles of soot. Dimitri 73 220D --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dimitri said better than 800,000 miles on the clock. Wow, impressive I am going to buy the one I am looking at only has 200K and engine was replaced at 150K and rebuilt by an MB mechanic (have all history on the car).. Just need to get the injector pump adjusted and we should be good to go, drive from Pensicola area to PA. had a full inspection and it passes my standards. Regards Tom - Original Message - From: Dimitri Seretakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D My 73 220D has better than 800,000 miles on the clock. Engine rebuilt once or twice since new per original owner. Don't know the extent of the rebuild(s). Maybe they fixed things in 1973. Dimitri Peter Frederick wrote: Marshal: Concerning rebuilds and factory engines on the W115 -- MB had quite a few problems with pre-mature wear on that engine, and factory originals are prone to excessive cylinder wear. A miss-match between piston, sleeve, and ring types will also do the same thing on rebuilds. My friend remembers them being replaced a lot under warranty (or rebuilt with high nickel sleeves and different pistons) -- and today one with 150,000 original miles may be a smoker. Terrible head cracking problems during the 60's as well, during which time his father stopped using MB diesels in his taxi business. MB was eventually forced to give extended warranties on heads by the German government. Something about taking the head design away from the actual producer because it was cheaper, then changing it, somewhat less than successfully. I agree that rebuilds done in the US can be horrible -- if not done to MB tolerances, you can end up with one burning a quart of oil in 200 miles within 10,000 miles of rebuild! Some are so sloppy the rings never seat -- my brother and I got one like that to replace his 617 with a broken crank (again, a crappy rebuild -- orange silicone slopped all over the oil filter housing gasket, a big slug sat on the #2 main oil hole --- you can guess the result). That replacement engine had a ring ridge almost 0.015 deep! Bore was 0.005 larger than the piston, pistons had extruded ring lands, crank was ground to the nearest SAE dimension SMALLER than the minimum metric size allowed, was only smooth and shiny where ti ran on the bearings, valve were way
Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D
I wonder if the power to weight ration of a W115 220D automatic is better or worse than a W123 240D automatic? Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Bissell Cove Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sunil Hari Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 5:59 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D yeah - you could actually turn the key and start the car. that's pretty souped up compared to the 115s. Buy the 220 - but be warned, it'll be really slow with that auto box. On 12/16/06, Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: His 240D is a souped up Benz? Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Bissell Cove Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Redghost Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 3:20 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D Buy it, you will never go back to a souped up benz! On Dec 13, 2006, at 10:56 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Courting possibly purchasing a 220D as a third car or the family. Southern car. One owner. 190K miles on vehicle rebuilt engine at 150K. Car appears to be well maintained. All instrruments and fans work. Automatic tranny. Presendtly being looked at by a reputable mechanic visa via an inspection/mechanical and rust inspection. Wanted to gt the lists opinion on these car. Besides the ussual stuff you hear from you tubo people about slow acceleration. Are parts hard to get? If I can work on a 123 chassis how easy are these 115 chassis. Oil filters look a little tougher to change? Regards Tom Sordato 1979 240D -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 290Kmi. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D
With Mobil 1 and Purge my 79 240D now does 0-60 in 19 minutes. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Bissell Cove Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 6:09 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D Yeah Dwight my 240 does 0-60 in 20 minutes!!/Tom - Original Message - From: Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D His 240D is a souped up Benz? Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Bissell Cove Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Redghost Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 3:20 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D Buy it, you will never go back to a souped up benz! On Dec 13, 2006, at 10:56 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Courting possibly purchasing a 220D as a third car or the family. Southern car. One owner. 190K miles on vehicle rebuilt engine at 150K. Car appears to be well maintained. All instrruments and fans work. Automatic tranny. Presendtly being looked at by a reputable mechanic visa via an inspection/mechanical and rust inspection. Wanted to gt the lists opinion on these car. Besides the ussual stuff you hear from you tubo people about slow acceleration. Are parts hard to get? If I can work on a 123 chassis how easy are these 115 chassis. Oil filters look a little tougher to change? Regards Tom Sordato 1979 240D -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D
Tom, Is your 79 240D a stick? Will you keep it after you get the 115 220D? Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Bissell Cove Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 6:08 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D Newest benz I ever owned is my 79 240D my daily driver and only car I own. I had a 77 300D but put it to pasture in Feb 2005 RIP. Regards Tom - Original Message - From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D Buy it, you will never go back to a souped up benz! On Dec 13, 2006, at 10:56 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Courting possibly purchasing a 220D as a third car or the family. Southern car. One owner. 190K miles on vehicle rebuilt engine at 150K. Car appears to be well maintained. All instrruments and fans work. Automatic tranny. Presendtly being looked at by a reputable mechanic visa via an inspection/mechanical and rust inspection. Wanted to gt the lists opinion on these car. Besides the ussual stuff you hear from you tubo people about slow acceleration. Are parts hard to get? If I can work on a 123 chassis how easy are these 115 chassis. Oil filters look a little tougher to change? Regards Tom Sordato 1979 240D -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D
Is your 79 240D a stick? Will you keep it after you get the 115 220D? Dwight Dwight my 79 is an auto and yes I will keep it only 106K miles. I do alot of driving and need a back up vehicle/Tom My 1979 240D is an auto - Original Message - From: Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D Tom, Is your 79 240D a stick? Will you keep it after you get the 115 220D? Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Bissell Cove Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 6:08 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D Newest benz I ever owned is my 79 240D my daily driver and only car I own. I had a 77 300D but put it to pasture in Feb 2005 RIP. Regards Tom - Original Message - From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D Buy it, you will never go back to a souped up benz! On Dec 13, 2006, at 10:56 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Courting possibly purchasing a 220D as a third car or the family. Southern car. One owner. 190K miles on vehicle rebuilt engine at 150K. Car appears to be well maintained. All instrruments and fans work. Automatic tranny. Presendtly being looked at by a reputable mechanic visa via an inspection/mechanical and rust inspection. Wanted to gt the lists opinion on these car. Besides the ussual stuff you hear from you tubo people about slow acceleration. Are parts hard to get? If I can work on a 123 chassis how easy are these 115 chassis. Oil filters look a little tougher to change? Regards Tom Sordato 1979 240D -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D
Dimitri said better than 800,000 miles on the clock. Wow, impressive I am going to buy the one I am looking at only has 200K and engine was replaced at 150K and rebuilt by an MB mechanic (have all history on the car).. Just need to get the injector pump adjusted and we should be good to go, drive from Pensicola area to PA. had a full inspection and it passes my standards. Regards Tom - Original Message - From: Dimitri Seretakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D My 73 220D has better than 800,000 miles on the clock. Engine rebuilt once or twice since new per original owner. Don't know the extent of the rebuild(s). Maybe they fixed things in 1973. Dimitri Peter Frederick wrote: Marshal: Concerning rebuilds and factory engines on the W115 -- MB had quite a few problems with pre-mature wear on that engine, and factory originals are prone to excessive cylinder wear. A miss-match between piston, sleeve, and ring types will also do the same thing on rebuilds. My friend remembers them being replaced a lot under warranty (or rebuilt with high nickel sleeves and different pistons) -- and today one with 150,000 original miles may be a smoker. Terrible head cracking problems during the 60's as well, during which time his father stopped using MB diesels in his taxi business. MB was eventually forced to give extended warranties on heads by the German government. Something about taking the head design away from the actual producer because it was cheaper, then changing it, somewhat less than successfully. I agree that rebuilds done in the US can be horrible -- if not done to MB tolerances, you can end up with one burning a quart of oil in 200 miles within 10,000 miles of rebuild! Some are so sloppy the rings never seat -- my brother and I got one like that to replace his 617 with a broken crank (again, a crappy rebuild -- orange silicone slopped all over the oil filter housing gasket, a big slug sat on the #2 main oil hole --- you can guess the result). That replacement engine had a ring ridge almost 0.015 deep! Bore was 0.005 larger than the piston, pistons had extruded ring lands, crank was ground to the nearest SAE dimension SMALLER than the minimum metric size allowed, was only smooth and shiny where ti ran on the bearings, valve were way beyond terminal wear, and the valve guides were all 0.005 or more oversize. I don't think it ran long, I'm quite surprised it ever started. I don't remember what the bearing clearance was on the crank when we got the engine, but I think it was 0.005 or more. We rebuilt it properly (after much discussion about valve guide clearance at the machine shop), and it's been running for six years now -- starts instantly no matter how cold it gets, very little black smoke and never uses oil between changes. Has 45 lbs oil pressure at idle hot unless you just pulled off the interstate! Peter I remember that the '68 and 69 615 engines were flawed. I thought that by 1970 they had worked out the problems (but i never owned a 515 - I owned a pair of 616s). Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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His 240D is a souped up Benz? Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Bissell Cove Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Redghost Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 3:20 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D Buy it, you will never go back to a souped up benz! On Dec 13, 2006, at 10:56 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Courting possibly purchasing a 220D as a third car or the family. Southern car. One owner. 190K miles on vehicle rebuilt engine at 150K. Car appears to be well maintained. All instrruments and fans work. Automatic tranny. Presendtly being looked at by a reputable mechanic visa via an inspection/mechanical and rust inspection. Wanted to gt the lists opinion on these car. Besides the ussual stuff you hear from you tubo people about slow acceleration. Are parts hard to get? If I can work on a 123 chassis how easy are these 115 chassis. Oil filters look a little tougher to change? Regards Tom Sordato 1979 240D -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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yeah - you could actually turn the key and start the car. that's pretty souped up compared to the 115s. Buy the 220 - but be warned, it'll be really slow with that auto box. On 12/16/06, Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: His 240D is a souped up Benz? Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Bissell Cove Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Redghost Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 3:20 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D Buy it, you will never go back to a souped up benz! On Dec 13, 2006, at 10:56 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Courting possibly purchasing a 220D as a third car or the family. Southern car. One owner. 190K miles on vehicle rebuilt engine at 150K. Car appears to be well maintained. All instrruments and fans work. Automatic tranny. Presendtly being looked at by a reputable mechanic visa via an inspection/mechanical and rust inspection. Wanted to gt the lists opinion on these car. Besides the ussual stuff you hear from you tubo people about slow acceleration. Are parts hard to get? If I can work on a 123 chassis how easy are these 115 chassis. Oil filters look a little tougher to change? Regards Tom Sordato 1979 240D -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 290Kmi. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474
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Newest benz I ever owned is my 79 240D my daily driver and only car I own. I had a 77 300D but put it to pasture in Feb 2005 RIP. Regards Tom - Original Message - From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D Buy it, you will never go back to a souped up benz! On Dec 13, 2006, at 10:56 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Courting possibly purchasing a 220D as a third car or the family. Southern car. One owner. 190K miles on vehicle rebuilt engine at 150K. Car appears to be well maintained. All instrruments and fans work. Automatic tranny. Presendtly being looked at by a reputable mechanic visa via an inspection/mechanical and rust inspection. Wanted to gt the lists opinion on these car. Besides the ussual stuff you hear from you tubo people about slow acceleration. Are parts hard to get? If I can work on a 123 chassis how easy are these 115 chassis. Oil filters look a little tougher to change? Regards Tom Sordato 1979 240D -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yeah Dwight my 240 does 0-60 in 20 minutes!!/Tom - Original Message - From: Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D His 240D is a souped up Benz? Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Bissell Cove Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Redghost Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 3:20 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D Buy it, you will never go back to a souped up benz! On Dec 13, 2006, at 10:56 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Courting possibly purchasing a 220D as a third car or the family. Southern car. One owner. 190K miles on vehicle rebuilt engine at 150K. Car appears to be well maintained. All instrruments and fans work. Automatic tranny. Presendtly being looked at by a reputable mechanic visa via an inspection/mechanical and rust inspection. Wanted to gt the lists opinion on these car. Besides the ussual stuff you hear from you tubo people about slow acceleration. Are parts hard to get? If I can work on a 123 chassis how easy are these 115 chassis. Oil filters look a little tougher to change? Regards Tom Sordato 1979 240D -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D
Yeah, mine does 0-60 too. Don't know how long it takes, a steep downhill helps a lot. Peter
Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D
My 73 220D has better than 800,000 miles on the clock. Engine rebuilt once or twice since new per original owner. Don't know the extent of the rebuild(s). Maybe they fixed things in 1973. Dimitri Peter Frederick wrote: Marshal: Concerning rebuilds and factory engines on the W115 -- MB had quite a few problems with pre-mature wear on that engine, and factory originals are prone to excessive cylinder wear. A miss-match between piston, sleeve, and ring types will also do the same thing on rebuilds. My friend remembers them being replaced a lot under warranty (or rebuilt with high nickel sleeves and different pistons) -- and today one with 150,000 original miles may be a smoker. Terrible head cracking problems during the 60's as well, during which time his father stopped using MB diesels in his taxi business. MB was eventually forced to give extended warranties on heads by the German government. Something about taking the head design away from the actual producer because it was cheaper, then changing it, somewhat less than successfully. I agree that rebuilds done in the US can be horrible -- if not done to MB tolerances, you can end up with one burning a quart of oil in 200 miles within 10,000 miles of rebuild! Some are so sloppy the rings never seat -- my brother and I got one like that to replace his 617 with a broken crank (again, a crappy rebuild -- orange silicone slopped all over the oil filter housing gasket, a big slug sat on the #2 main oil hole --- you can guess the result). That replacement engine had a ring ridge almost 0.015 deep! Bore was 0.005 larger than the piston, pistons had extruded ring lands, crank was ground to the nearest SAE dimension SMALLER than the minimum metric size allowed, was only smooth and shiny where ti ran on the bearings, valve were way beyond terminal wear, and the valve guides were all 0.005 or more oversize. I don't think it ran long, I'm quite surprised it ever started. I don't remember what the bearing clearance was on the crank when we got the engine, but I think it was 0.005 or more. We rebuilt it properly (after much discussion about valve guide clearance at the machine shop), and it's been running for six years now -- starts instantly no matter how cold it gets, very little black smoke and never uses oil between changes. Has 45 lbs oil pressure at idle hot unless you just pulled off the interstate! Peter I remember that the '68 and 69 615 engines were flawed. I thought that by 1970 they had worked out the problems (but i never owned a 515 - I owned a pair of 616s). Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com
Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D
one or two rebuilds in 800,000 miles isn't bad, I wouldn't expect an engine run on dino oil to do better than that. Run on Mobil 1 or similar synthetics, maybe once instead of twice. Peter
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I've been running it on dino oil but will switch to Mobil 1 once I finish its partial body restoration. Been working on it for a year now. Can't wait to finally drive the thing again. Dimitri --- Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: one or two rebuilds in 800,000 miles isn't bad, I wouldn't expect an engine run on dino oil to do better than that. Run on Mobil 1 or similar synthetics, maybe once instead of twice. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com
Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D
I recommend doing an oil analysis for a couple oil changes on that engine if you want to switch to Mobil 1 -- they tend to accumulate soot much faster than later diesels, and you may not be able to run 6000 miles before you go over the soot limit. Peter
Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D
Peter Frederick wrote: Marshal: Concerning rebuilds and factory engines on the W115 -- MB had quite a few problems with pre-mature wear on that engine, and factory originals are prone to excessive cylinder wear. A miss-match between piston, sleeve, and ring types will also do the same thing on rebuilds. My friend remembers them being replaced a lot under warranty (or rebuilt with high nickel sleeves and different pistons) -- and today one with 150,000 original miles may be a smoker. Terrible head cracking problems during the 60's as well, during which time his father stopped using MB diesels in his taxi business. MB was eventually forced to give extended warranties on heads by the German government. Something about taking the head design away from the actual producer because it was cheaper, then changing it, somewhat less than successfully. I agree that rebuilds done in the US can be horrible -- if not done to MB tolerances, you can end up with one burning a quart of oil in 200 miles within 10,000 miles of rebuild! Some are so sloppy the rings never seat -- my brother and I got one like that to replace his 617 with a broken crank (again, a crappy rebuild -- orange silicone slopped all over the oil filter housing gasket, a big slug sat on the #2 main oil hole --- you can guess the result). That replacement engine had a ring ridge almost 0.015 deep! Bore was 0.005 larger than the piston, pistons had extruded ring lands, crank was ground to the nearest SAE dimension SMALLER than the minimum metric size allowed, was only smooth and shiny where ti ran on the bearings, valve were way beyond terminal wear, and the valve guides were all 0.005 or more oversize. I don't think it ran long, I'm quite surprised it ever started. I don't remember what the bearing clearance was on the crank when we got the engine, but I think it was 0.005 or more. We rebuilt it properly (after much discussion about valve guide clearance at the machine shop), and it's been running for six years now -- starts instantly no matter how cold it gets, very little black smoke and never uses oil between changes. Has 45 lbs oil pressure at idle hot unless you just pulled off the interstate! Peter I remember that the '68 and 69 615 engines were flawed. I thought that by 1970 they had worked out the problems (but i never owned a 515 - I owned a pair of 616s). Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Really, I have never heard of this 615 flawed problem. Interesting. Anymore info on it? Marshall Booth wrote: Peter Frederick wrote: Marshal: Concerning rebuilds and factory engines on the W115 -- MB had quite a few problems with pre-mature wear on that engine, and factory originals are prone to excessive cylinder wear. A miss-match between piston, sleeve, and ring types will also do the same thing on rebuilds. My friend remembers them being replaced a lot under warranty (or rebuilt with high nickel sleeves and different pistons) -- and today one with 150,000 original miles may be a smoker. Terrible head cracking problems during the 60's as well, during which time his father stopped using MB diesels in his taxi business. MB was eventually forced to give extended warranties on heads by the German government. Something about taking the head design away from the actual producer because it was cheaper, then changing it, somewhat less than successfully. I agree that rebuilds done in the US can be horrible -- if not done to MB tolerances, you can end up with one burning a quart of oil in 200 miles within 10,000 miles of rebuild! Some are so sloppy the rings never seat -- my brother and I got one like that to replace his 617 with a broken crank (again, a crappy rebuild -- orange silicone slopped all over the oil filter housing gasket, a big slug sat on the #2 main oil hole --- you can guess the result). That replacement engine had a ring ridge almost 0.015 deep! Bore was 0.005 larger than the piston, pistons had extruded ring lands, crank was ground to the nearest SAE dimension SMALLER than the minimum metric size allowed, was only smooth and shiny where ti ran on the bearings, valve were way beyond terminal wear, and the valve guides were all 0.005 or more oversize. I don't think it ran long, I'm quite surprised it ever started. I don't remember what the bearing clearance was on the crank when we got the engine, but I think it was 0.005 or more. We rebuilt it properly (after much discussion about valve guide clearance at the machine shop), and it's been running for six years now -- starts instantly no matter how cold it gets, very little black smoke and never uses oil between changes. Has 45 lbs oil pressure at idle hot unless you just pulled off the interstate! Peter I remember that the '68 and 69 615 engines were flawed. I thought that by 1970 they had worked out the problems (but i never owned a 515 - I owned a pair of 616s). Marshall -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, (2x) 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
[MBZ] 1972 220D
Marshall said: Factory rebuilds are GREAT. All others are highly suspect. Few people outside of the factory rebuild Mercedes engines by the book and when NOT done by the book, they tend to be quite unreliable. I'd much rather have a well cared for factory engine with 250-300kmi on it than a undocumented rebuild even with less than 20kmi on it. I consider most cars with a non-factory rebuilds to be highly undesirable considering that there are plenty of cars with engines that were properly assembled at the factory and haven't worn out yet! I have met a few people that I believe could properly rebuild an engine, but only a few. Marshall I believe it to be a MB rebuild but will double check and get records. thanks Tom Scordato - Original Message - From: Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Courting possibly purchasing a 220D as a third car or the family. Southern car. One owner. 190K miles on vehicle rebuilt engine at 150K. Car appears to be well maintained. All instrruments and fans work. Automatic tranny. Presendtly being looked at by a reputable mechanic visa via an inspection/mechanical and rust inspection. Wanted to gt the lists opinion on these car. Besides the ussual stuff you hear from you tubo people about slow acceleration. Are parts hard to get? If I can work on a 123 chassis how easy are these 115 chassis. Oil filters look a little tougher to change? Factory rebuilds are GREAT. All others are highly suspect. Few people outside of the factory rebuild Mercedes engines by the book and when NOT done by the book, they tend to be quite unreliable. I'd much rather have a well cared for factory engine with 250-300kmi on it than a undocumented rebuild even with less than 20kmi on it. I consider most cars with a non-factory rebuilds to be highly undesirable considering that there are plenty of cars with engines that were properly assembled at the factory and haven't worn out yet! I have met a few people that I believe could properly rebuild an engine, but only a few. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D
Turns out this car is a smoker, black smoke. IP pump was recently replaced but not set properly supposively. Mechanic who worked for MB picked that up right away. One of the things I fix before I drive it to PA. Do not want fuel rich going into cylinders if I can help it. Burns about a quart of oil ever 3000 miles which I believe is within consumption specs. Cold start up and glow plug circuit are indicative of good compression I have been informed Regards Tom - Original Message - From: Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 7:40 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D Peter Frederick wrote: Marshal: Concerning rebuilds and factory engines on the W115 -- MB had quite a few problems with pre-mature wear on that engine, and factory originals are prone to excessive cylinder wear. A miss-match between piston, sleeve, and ring types will also do the same thing on rebuilds. My friend remembers them being replaced a lot under warranty (or rebuilt with high nickel sleeves and different pistons) -- and today one with 150,000 original miles may be a smoker. Terrible head cracking problems during the 60's as well, during which time his father stopped using MB diesels in his taxi business. MB was eventually forced to give extended warranties on heads by the German government. Something about taking the head design away from the actual producer because it was cheaper, then changing it, somewhat less than successfully. I agree that rebuilds done in the US can be horrible -- if not done to MB tolerances, you can end up with one burning a quart of oil in 200 miles within 10,000 miles of rebuild! Some are so sloppy the rings never seat -- my brother and I got one like that to replace his 617 with a broken crank (again, a crappy rebuild -- orange silicone slopped all over the oil filter housing gasket, a big slug sat on the #2 main oil hole --- you can guess the result). That replacement engine had a ring ridge almost 0.015 deep! Bore was 0.005 larger than the piston, pistons had extruded ring lands, crank was ground to the nearest SAE dimension SMALLER than the minimum metric size allowed, was only smooth and shiny where ti ran on the bearings, valve were way beyond terminal wear, and the valve guides were all 0.005 or more oversize. I don't think it ran long, I'm quite surprised it ever started. I don't remember what the bearing clearance was on the crank when we got the engine, but I think it was 0.005 or more. We rebuilt it properly (after much discussion about valve guide clearance at the machine shop), and it's been running for six years now -- starts instantly no matter how cold it gets, very little black smoke and never uses oil between changes. Has 45 lbs oil pressure at idle hot unless you just pulled off the interstate! Peter I remember that the '68 and 69 615 engines were flawed. I thought that by 1970 they had worked out the problems (but i never owned a 515 - I owned a pair of 616s). Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D
my 72 died before it's time. only 440k miles. i crashed it. can't really confirm that premature wear thing, i suppose On 12/13/06, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter Frederick wrote: Marshal: Concerning rebuilds and factory engines on the W115 -- MB had quite a few problems with pre-mature wear on that engine, and factory originals are prone to excessive cylinder wear. A miss-match between piston, sleeve, and ring types will also do the same thing on rebuilds. My friend remembers them being replaced a lot under warranty (or rebuilt with high nickel sleeves and different pistons) -- and today one with 150,000 original miles may be a smoker. Terrible head cracking problems during the 60's as well, during which time his father stopped using MB diesels in his taxi business. MB was eventually forced to give extended warranties on heads by the German government. Something about taking the head design away from the actual producer because it was cheaper, then changing it, somewhat less than successfully. I agree that rebuilds done in the US can be horrible -- if not done to MB tolerances, you can end up with one burning a quart of oil in 200 miles within 10,000 miles of rebuild! Some are so sloppy the rings never seat -- my brother and I got one like that to replace his 617 with a broken crank (again, a crappy rebuild -- orange silicone slopped all over the oil filter housing gasket, a big slug sat on the #2 main oil hole --- you can guess the result). That replacement engine had a ring ridge almost 0.015 deep! Bore was 0.005 larger than the piston, pistons had extruded ring lands, crank was ground to the nearest SAE dimension SMALLER than the minimum metric size allowed, was only smooth and shiny where ti ran on the bearings, valve were way beyond terminal wear, and the valve guides were all 0.005 or more oversize. I don't think it ran long, I'm quite surprised it ever started. I don't remember what the bearing clearance was on the crank when we got the engine, but I think it was 0.005 or more. We rebuilt it properly (after much discussion about valve guide clearance at the machine shop), and it's been running for six years now -- starts instantly no matter how cold it gets, very little black smoke and never uses oil between changes. Has 45 lbs oil pressure at idle hot unless you just pulled off the interstate! Peter I remember that the '68 and 69 615 engines were flawed. I thought that by 1970 they had worked out the problems (but i never owned a 515 - I owned a pair of 616s). Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D
From the notes in the factory repair manual, it looks like the entire run of 220s, 68 to 72 were a problem. Head design was changed a couple times, so were cylinder liners and piston. One needs to have a care to get it all correct when doing a rebuild! If you get the correct liners and pistons, though, it will run as long as any 617. Worst rebuild problems are always excessive clearance, though -- pistons, bearings, rings, valves. Peter
Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D
A little piece of trivia: Mercedes diesel tolerances are so tight that Mercedes specs cylinder number 1 differently than the other 3 or 4. They do this because number 1 runs slightly cooler than the rest. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 5:25 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D Marshal: Concerning rebuilds and factory engines on the W115 -- MB had quite a few problems with pre-mature wear on that engine, and factory originals are prone to excessive cylinder wear. A miss-match between piston, sleeve, and ring types will also do the same thing on rebuilds. My friend remembers them being replaced a lot under warranty (or rebuilt with high nickel sleeves and different pistons) -- and today one with 150,000 original miles may be a smoker. Terrible head cracking problems during the 60's as well, during which time his father stopped using MB diesels in his taxi business. MB was eventually forced to give extended warranties on heads by the German government. Something about taking the head design away from the actual producer because it was cheaper, then changing it, somewhat less than successfully. I agree that rebuilds done in the US can be horrible -- if not done to MB tolerances, you can end up with one burning a quart of oil in 200 miles within 10,000 miles of rebuild! Some are so sloppy the rings never seat -- my brother and I got one like that to replace his 617 with a broken crank (again, a crappy rebuild -- orange silicone slopped all over the oil filter housing gasket, a big slug sat on the #2 main oil hole --- you can guess the result). That replacement engine had a ring ridge almost 0.015 deep! Bore was 0.005 larger than the piston, pistons had extruded ring lands, crank was ground to the nearest SAE dimension SMALLER than the minimum metric size allowed, was only smooth and shiny where ti ran on the bearings, valve were way beyond terminal wear, and the valve guides were all 0.005 or more oversize. I don't think it ran long, I'm quite surprised it ever started. I don't remember what the bearing clearance was on the crank when we got the engine, but I think it was 0.005 or more. We rebuilt it properly (after much discussion about valve guide clearance at the machine shop), and it's been running for six years now -- starts instantly no matter how cold it gets, very little black smoke and never uses oil between changes. Has 45 lbs oil pressure at idle hot unless you just pulled off the interstate! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 1972 220D
Courting possibly purchasing a 220D as a third car or the family. Southern car. One owner. 190K miles on vehicle rebuilt engine at 150K. Car appears to be well maintained. All instrruments and fans work. Automatic tranny. Presendtly being looked at by a reputable mechanic visa via an inspection/mechanical and rust inspection. Wanted to gt the lists opinion on these car. Besides the ussual stuff you hear from you tubo people about slow acceleration. Are parts hard to get? If I can work on a 123 chassis how easy are these 115 chassis. Oil filters look a little tougher to change? Regards Tom Sordato 1979 240D
Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D
Tom, These are great cars and not near as under powered as a 123 body 240D. Oil changes are a real PIA - I seemed to always run oil down to my elbow. Also, make sure that the re-useable plastic oil filter is in the oil housing. Many were thown away without it, you really have no filter at all! The plastic filter is the main engine oil filter. The cartrige is a bypass filter. Without the plastic filter in place, the bypass filter won't seat oil will just flow around everything. The climate control blower motor can also be a pain. Plan for 2 long weekends if it ever fails. Too bad it's an auto, my 1972 220D was a 4 speed. My 2 - 1975 240D's were both auto trannys not near as much fun to drive. Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12/13/06 01:57 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] 1972 220D -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Courting possibly purchasing a 220D as a third car or the family. Southern car. One owner. 190K miles on vehicle rebuilt engine at 150K. Car appears to be well maintained. All instrruments and fans work. Automatic tranny. Presendtly being looked at by a reputable mechanic visa via an inspection/mechanical and rust inspection. Wanted to gt the lists opinion on these car. Besides the ussual stuff you hear from you tubo people about slow acceleration. Are parts hard to get? If I can work on a 123 chassis how easy are these 115 chassis. Oil filters look a little tougher to change? Regards Tom Sordato 1979 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Courting possibly purchasing a 220D as a third car or the family. Southern car. One owner. 190K miles on vehicle rebuilt engine at 150K. Car appears to be well maintained. All instrruments and fans work. Automatic tranny. Presendtly being looked at by a reputable mechanic visa via an inspection/mechanical and rust inspection. Wanted to gt the lists opinion on these car. Besides the ussual stuff you hear from you tubo people about slow acceleration. Are parts hard to get? If I can work on a 123 chassis how easy are these 115 chassis. Oil filters look a little tougher to change? Factory rebuilds are GREAT. All others are highly suspect. Few people outside of the factory rebuild Mercedes engines by the book and when NOT done by the book, they tend to be quite unreliable. I'd much rather have a well cared for factory engine with 250-300kmi on it than a undocumented rebuild even with less than 20kmi on it. I consider most cars with a non-factory rebuilds to be highly undesirable considering that there are plenty of cars with engines that were properly assembled at the factory and haven't worn out yet! I have met a few people that I believe could properly rebuild an engine, but only a few. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D
Marshal: Concerning rebuilds and factory engines on the W115 -- MB had quite a few problems with pre-mature wear on that engine, and factory originals are prone to excessive cylinder wear. A miss-match between piston, sleeve, and ring types will also do the same thing on rebuilds. My friend remembers them being replaced a lot under warranty (or rebuilt with high nickel sleeves and different pistons) -- and today one with 150,000 original miles may be a smoker. Terrible head cracking problems during the 60's as well, during which time his father stopped using MB diesels in his taxi business. MB was eventually forced to give extended warranties on heads by the German government. Something about taking the head design away from the actual producer because it was cheaper, then changing it, somewhat less than successfully. I agree that rebuilds done in the US can be horrible -- if not done to MB tolerances, you can end up with one burning a quart of oil in 200 miles within 10,000 miles of rebuild! Some are so sloppy the rings never seat -- my brother and I got one like that to replace his 617 with a broken crank (again, a crappy rebuild -- orange silicone slopped all over the oil filter housing gasket, a big slug sat on the #2 main oil hole --- you can guess the result). That replacement engine had a ring ridge almost 0.015 deep! Bore was 0.005 larger than the piston, pistons had extruded ring lands, crank was ground to the nearest SAE dimension SMALLER than the minimum metric size allowed, was only smooth and shiny where ti ran on the bearings, valve were way beyond terminal wear, and the valve guides were all 0.005 or more oversize. I don't think it ran long, I'm quite surprised it ever started. I don't remember what the bearing clearance was on the crank when we got the engine, but I think it was 0.005 or more. We rebuilt it properly (after much discussion about valve guide clearance at the machine shop), and it's been running for six years now -- starts instantly no matter how cold it gets, very little black smoke and never uses oil between changes. Has 45 lbs oil pressure at idle hot unless you just pulled off the interstate! Peter
Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D Black smoke
No air equals black smoke Could also be late injection timing, bad nozzles, low compression, or any combination of these. Peter
Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D Black smoke
There's also the control rod adjustments -- that engine (OM605) has a throttle plate - if the rods are out of whack, it might be closed more than it should, thus restricting the air. It's covered in the manual, which I no longer own --- On 12/8/06, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No air equals black smoke Could also be late injection timing, bad nozzles, low compression, or any combination of these. Peter -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D Black smoke
When car is idling and running what can Black smoke indicate? Truly voluminous clouds and a fast idle too? The manifold vacuum line to the injection pump is open and the engine is getting WOT fueling at all times, only the throttle butterfly is keeping it from redlining. BTDT. You can actually drive it back home with judicious use of the dash shutoff knob to modulate the fuel down some. Prolly not what you mean, though. -- Jim
[MBZ] 1972 220D Black smoke
When car is idling and running what can Black smoke inidicate? Regards Tom Scordato Bellefonte PA 1979 240D
Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D Black smoke
Dirty air cleaner. Yours is the oil filled, must be cleaned by hand, type air cleaner. It may have been overfilled if someone else did it and this is aggravated by parking on a slope. Been there, done that. Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 264 K miles 98 ML 320, 146 K miles
Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D Black smoke
I thought black smoke indicated that the fuel mixture was too rich. Oil was blue. Jeff Zedic Toronto
Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D Black smoke
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When car is idling and running what can Black smoke inidicate? INCOMPLETE combustion. Maybe more fuel then there's air to burn OR the fuel is being incorrectly atomized or injected OR compression is low. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D Black smoke
Jeff Zedic wrote: I thought black smoke indicated that the fuel mixture was too rich. Oil was blue. If the air cleaner is dirty and restricting airflow it will richen the mixture.
Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D Black smoke
Thanks Jim/tom - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 12:16 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D Black smoke Dirty air cleaner. Yours is the oil filled, must be cleaned by hand, type air cleaner. It may have been overfilled if someone else did it and this is aggravated by parking on a slope. Been there, done that. Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 264 K miles 98 ML 320, 146 K miles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D
haha, what a dummy. kevin kraly wrote: I was going to buy this old car to swap the engine into the 1973 220D that I had. The guy wanted $500 for it and wouldn't go down to $300. Today, I spotted it on CL once again, but now he only wants $75! If he would have only taken my first offer, he could have gotten nearly 7 times his current asking price! He's probably forgotten by now anyway. Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D
Tell him you will pay him $50 and to STFU On Oct 24, 2006, at 12:49 PM, kevin kraly wrote: I was going to buy this old car to swap the engine into the 1973 220D that I had. The guy wanted $500 for it and wouldn't go down to $300. Today, I spotted it on CL once again, but now he only wants $75! If he would have only taken my first offer, he could have gotten nearly 7 times his current asking price! He's probably forgotten by now anyway. Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D
Tell him you will pay him $50 and to STFU STFU? I've never heard that one before. Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon
Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D
STFU = shut the up. On 10/25/06, kevin kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tell him you will pay him $50 and to STFU STFU? I've never heard that one before. Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 286Kmi. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474
[MBZ] 1972 220D
I was going to buy this old car to swap the engine into the 1973 220D that I had. The guy wanted $500 for it and wouldn't go down to $300. Today, I spotted it on CL once again, but now he only wants $75! If he would have only taken my first offer, he could have gotten nearly 7 times his current asking price! He's probably forgotten by now anyway. Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon
Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D
Or maybe he toasted the motor in between? Mac on 10/24/06 3:49 PM, kevin kraly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was going to buy this old car to swap the engine into the 1973 220D that I had. The guy wanted $500 for it and wouldn't go down to $300. Today, I spotted it on CL once again, but now he only wants $75! If he would have only taken my first offer, he could have gotten nearly 7 times his current asking price! He's probably forgotten by now anyway. Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
