[MBZ] 1972 220D Lost Key $500

2012-06-13 Thread Kevin Kraly
I spotted this one on the local Craigslist just a few miles from me. The car is 
all there, it’s been parked for 5 years, but ran before he lost the key. He got 
the VIN coded key, but somebody changed the iggie at some point so the key 
doesn’t work. He disassembled it enough to know that he couldn’t fix it 
himself. Are these cars like the W123/126 in the way of ignition lock removal? 
Is it possible to hook a battery up and start it without the key using just the 
start pull lever?  If this one’s worth buying, how much should I expect to pay 
for having it fixed if it’s not a DIIY job?
Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon
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Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D Lost Key $500

2012-06-13 Thread Jim Cathey

Are these cars like the W123/126 in the way of ignition lock removal?


Pretty much.

Is it possible to hook a battery up and start it without the key using 
just the start pull lever?


Not really, in that the key is _supposed_ to interlock the knob.
But sometimes that interlock is broken...

However, if you get under the hood and can disconnect the knob's
cable and run the IP by hand, and hotwire the glow system,
and the starter, then you should be good no matter what the
key says about it.  Alternator won't charge, though.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D Lost Key $500

2012-06-13 Thread Craig
On Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:20:22 -0700 Kevin Kraly kr...@comcast.net
wrote:

 Are these cars like the W123/126 in the way of ignition lock removal?

Sorry, Kevin, I don't know; it's been a long time since I worked on the
W115 we had. I would guess, though, that it would be somewhat a similar
process of turning the key to a specific position and inserting a
wire/pin in a hole to be able to remove a shield cylinder/plate.

Hopefully, someone that currently has a W115 will chime in.


 Is it possible to hook a battery up and start it without the key using
 just the start pull lever?

I do recall one time driving our '72 220D/8 and wondering if it would run
on no electricity. In a deserted part of roadway, I punched the Pull Knob
to turn the engine off and allow the key to be turned to off. I then
pulled the pull knob out and it ran just fine -- I couldn't steer, of
course, but it ran just fine. I quickly unlocked the steering and drove
on.

So, it will be possible to have it run. Most likely, though, you will
find that the starter won't run when you pull the Pull Knob all the way
out (actually, I can almost guarantee that). You will have to have
someone short the top, battery cable terminal on the starter solenoid to
the middle terminal on the solenoid with a big screwdriver to have the
starter engage and turn the engine.


 If this one’s worth buying, how much should I expect to pay for having
 it fixed if it’s not a DIIY job?

I would expect you will have to have the lock drilled out (the armor
plate in front of it, actually) and then replace the lock and armor plate
and anything else that was damaged.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D Lost Key $500

2012-06-13 Thread Dieselhead
I spotted this one on the local Craigslist just a few miles from me. 
The car is all there, it's been parked for 5 years, but ran before 
he lost the key. He got the VIN coded key, but somebody changed the 
iggie at some point so the key doesn't work. He disassembled it 
enough to know that he couldn't fix it himself. Are these cars like 
the W123/126 in the way of ignition lock removal?



Pretty much the same, except the pull is part of the unit.

Is it possible to hook a battery up and start it without the key 
using just the start pull lever?


Not the best approach.  Put in a good battery. Disconnect the 
push/pull cable at the inj pump. (this will allow the lever on the 
pump to move from the off position (Forward) to the run position. 
(center)  you can also work the lever front to back to make sure it 
goes to the center when you are not pushing one way or t'other. 
This is a check to make sure the rack is not sticky.  If you have a 
remote start switch or a helper, hold the lever back for starting. 
That will give it full fuel.  Be prepared for the governor to jam it 
forward when the engine starts.  Don't get pinched.  I've always been 
ok just leaving it in the run position.


If you have a remote start switch, use it.  If not jump the bat+ 
terminal (big one on top) on the starter solenoid to the solenoid 
coil terminal (small one)


Dem Dissels don't need no 'lectricity. to run.

Alternative is to disconnect the push pull cable at the IP and push 
or pull the car.  (Better have a straight shot, as the steering will 
be locked.)


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