Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Yes, many years ago; 'don't remember a lot of it.
'Oughta read it again.

Wilton


Cap'n Eddie the race car driver never had a driver's license, even in 
the 60s.   Before WWI (the war to end all wars) no DL was needed 
Afterward,  he was so famous.  He said if he got stopped he pulled 
out the gold 'Merkun Legion membership card the Legion had given him 
and showed it to johnny law.  Johnny, on reading the name on the 
card, would strike up a conversation with the war hero driver/pilot 
and never ask for a real driver's license.


It is a great book!

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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

So w/o a glovebox where do you stash the registration and insurance 
papers?


The console tray gets a locking jockey box on the newer 126's.
You might need special tools, like a spoon or a popsicle stick,
to break into it.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Andrew wrote:

 I save all my registrations in the vinyl/clear plastic folder...


Mine are all at home.  I can produce them if they want, but... they
have computers in their cars - they can look them up.  Registration /
license are superfluous these days.
mao


They will have you looked before you stop, but many state lawz say 
you have to have reg. and ins. car to hand to johnny l aw.   If you 
don't produce them they can and will use that as an excuse to search 
you and the car, and to fine you at the least, and even haul you into 
j ail if they thiink they can shake you down for more money that way.



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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

NC requires them to be IN THE VEHICLE, too.

BTW, at a license chk point coupla years ago, I eased up to the 
officer and handed 'im my military ID, but just as he was taking it, 
I realized it and said, as I laughed and was withdrawing the card, 
"Oh, I gave you the wrong card."  He also laughed and said, "Oh, 
you're OK, go ahead."  I drove on.


Wilton


Wilton, did you ever read Eddie Rickenbacker's biography?

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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

OK apparently is the exception.

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 9:28 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Andrew wrote:
>>
>>>  I save all my registrations in the vinyl/clear plastic folder...
>>>
>>
>> Mine are all at home.  I can produce them if they want, but... they
>> have computers in their cars - they can look them up.  Registration /
>> license are superfluous these days.
>> mao
>>
>
> They will have you looked before you stop, but many state lawz say you
> have to have reg. and ins. car to hand to johnny l aw.   If you don't
> produce them they can and will use that as an excuse to search you and the
> car, and to fine you at the least, and even haul you into j ail if they
> thiink they can shake you down for more money that way.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Yes, many years ago; 'don't remember a lot of it.
'Oughta read it again.

Wilton

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>NC requires them to be IN THE VEHICLE, too.


BTW, at a license chk point coupla years ago, I eased up to the 
officer and handed 'im my military ID, but just as he was taking it, 
I realized it and said, as I laughed and was withdrawing the card, 
"Oh, I gave you the wrong card."  He also laughed and said, "Oh, 
you're OK, go ahead."  I drove on.


Wilton


Wilton, did you ever read Eddie Rickenbacker's biography?

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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Early one evening in 1976, I had just departed main gate of George AFB, CA, 
with my '74 Plymouth van heavily loaded with beams (sticking out the 
rear,etc.) I had salvaged from a small bridge on base to take them to 
"cabin" in mtns 35 miles away.   Almost immediately, CHP stopped me and 
asked for "license and registration."  Officer glanced at 'em, returned 'em 
and waved me on.  Next day, as I was returning the registration card to the 
glove compartment from on the engine cover, where I had placed it when the 
officer returned, I realized  I had given him a 2-year-old card for the '64 
Dodge van with MI plates I had sold coupla years before.  Officer obviously 
did look very closely at card nor vehicle.


Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap



I've never been asked for my registration . . .

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


The standard cop recitation when you're pulled over is "driver's license
and vehicle registration please".





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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I save all my registrations in the vinyl/clear plastic folder with my
Becker manual and radio code.  In the glovebox.  Of cars w/o airbags.

Andrew
1983 300TD
1985 300TD

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wrote:

> That, too.
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" <
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>
>
> Center console.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>> On Sep 15, 2015, at 1:59 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> So w/o a glovebox where do you stash the registration and insurance
>>> papers?
>>>
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[clay via Mercedes]

If you actually drove one for a while, you would see that the 126 is a far 
superior car.  The 220 is junk and will not appreciate

clay

On Sep 14, 2015, at 12:48 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

> Sure he has spent a lot of money on it but a 220 should be worth a hell of a 
> lot more than a 126.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 2:02 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Crazy how? As in I'm crazy or he's crazy?
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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>>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 2:58 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> That trade is crazy unless your 220 has lots of problems or you just hate 
>>> it and love the 126
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 14, 2015, at 1:38 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 I've seen the actual bill for the rebuild but it doesn't specify the part 
 number for the head. It is visible in place as a casting number, isn't it?
 
 I was wondering the same thing myself. However, since the rebuild was done 
 in 2010, would the original heads still be available? I can have him look 
 at it and tell me. He knows about the rod bender issues so I'm assuming 
 the newer head was installed.
 
 I would be trading a W220 for a W126, so it would be like going from 
 present day to the 1980s. Not a bad thing as far as I'm concerned.
 
 I suspect that a leak is probably due to lack of use. The car hadn't been 
 driven much in the recent past to my knowledge.
 
 Dan
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
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> wrote:
> 
> "Engine - rebuilt." doesn't tell you much - what was done to it by whom? 
> It
> now has an oil leak - should a rebuilt engine leak oil?
> What head does it have? Etc. . . . .
 
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[WILTON via Mercedes]

That, too.

Wilton

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Center console.

Dan


On Sep 15, 2015, at 1:59 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


So w/o a glovebox where do you stash the registration and insurance 
papers?





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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

So w/o a glovebox where do you stash the registration and insurance papers?

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Tim Crone via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On Sep 14, 2015 11:11 PM, "WILTON via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
> >
> > My (Tim's) 91 350SDL has right side air bag; no glove box.
>
> Same for a couple later SDs I stripped in the junk yard.  My 87 300SDL does
> not have a PS airbag.
>
> I love the SDL (in principle; seems I love cleaning the house more in
> practice :) but it is not a modern car.  I agree with Kaleb, anything over
> $4k is because you want it, not because it is intrinsically valuable to the
> average buyer.  May be worth splitting the difference with the seller?
>
> Best,
> Tim
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[WILTON via Mercedes]

'Don't know what others use, but I used small, black leather-bound book-like 
bag/pouch that fits nicely between lower, left edge of driver's seat between 
seat and door threshold; easily reachable while in seat, etc.


Wilton

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So w/o a glovebox where do you stash the registration and insurance 
papers?


On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Tim Crone via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


On Sep 14, 2015 11:11 PM, "WILTON via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:
>
> My (Tim's) 91 350SDL has right side air bag; no glove box.

Same for a couple later SDs I stripped in the junk yard.  My 87 300SDL 
does

not have a PS airbag.

I love the SDL (in principle; seems I love cleaning the house more in
practice :) but it is not a modern car.  I agree with Kaleb, anything 
over
$4k is because you want it, not because it is intrinsically valuable to 
the

average buyer.  May be worth splitting the difference with the seller?

Best,
Tim
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Center console.

Dan


> On Sep 15, 2015, at 1:59 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So w/o a glovebox where do you stash the registration and insurance papers?
> 


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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

The standard cop recitation when you're pulled over is "driver's license
and vehicle registration please".

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> NC requires them to be IN THE VEHICLE, too.
>
> BTW, at a license chk point coupla years ago, I eased up to the officer
> and handed 'im my military ID, but just as he was taking it, I realized it
> and said, as I laughed and was withdrawing the card, "Oh, I gave you the
> wrong card."  He also laughed and said, "Oh, you're OK, go ahead."  I drove
> on.
>
> Wilton
>
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap
>
>
> Illinois lets you get away with that? I'm pretty sure here in MA its a
>> "produce your license and registration" or go to jail...
>> I would expect a progressive place like IL to be the same.
>> -Curt
>>
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>>
>> Andrew wrote:
>>
>>> I save all my registrations in the vinyl/clear plastic folder...
>>>
>>
>> Mine are all at home. I can produce them if they want, but... they
>> have computers in their cars - they can look them up. Registration /
>> license are superfluous these days.
>> mao
>>
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[WILTON via Mercedes]

NC requires them to be IN THE VEHICLE, too.

BTW, at a license chk point coupla years ago, I eased up to the officer and 
handed 'im my military ID, but just as he was taking it, I realized it and 
said, as I laughed and was withdrawing the card, "Oh, I gave you the wrong 
card."  He also laughed and said, "Oh, you're OK, go ahead."  I drove on.


Wilton

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Illinois lets you get away with that? I'm pretty sure here in MA its a 
"produce your license and registration" or go to jail...

I would expect a progressive place like IL to be the same.
-Curt

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Andrew wrote:

I save all my registrations in the vinyl/clear plastic folder...


Mine are all at home. I can produce them if they want, but... they
have computers in their cars - they can look them up. Registration /
license are superfluous these days.
mao



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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Illinois lets you get away with that? I'm pretty sure here in MA its a "produce 
your license and registration" or go to jail...
I would expect a progressive place like IL to be the same.
-Curt

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Andrew wrote:
> I save all my registrations in the vinyl/clear plastic folder...

Mine are all at home.  I can produce them if they want, but... they
have computers in their cars - they can look them up.  Registration /
license are superfluous these days.
mao



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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I've never been asked for my registration . . .

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The standard cop recitation when you're pulled over is "driver's license
> and vehicle registration please".
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Andrew wrote:
> I save all my registrations in the vinyl/clear plastic folder...

Mine are all at home.  I can produce them if they want, but... they
have computers in their cars - they can look them up.  Registration /
license are superfluous these days.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

That's b/c you have never been stopped.

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 4:23 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I've never been asked for my registration . . .
>
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > The standard cop recitation when you're pulled over is "driver's license
> > and vehicle registration please".
> >
> >
>
>
> --
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>
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>
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Tim Crone via Mercedes]

On Sep 14, 2015 11:11 PM, "WILTON via Mercedes" 
wrote:
>
> My (Tim's) 91 350SDL has right side air bag; no glove box.

Same for a couple later SDs I stripped in the junk yard.  My 87 300SDL does
not have a PS airbag.

I love the SDL (in principle; seems I love cleaning the house more in
practice :) but it is not a modern car.  I agree with Kaleb, anything over
$4k is because you want it, not because it is intrinsically valuable to the
average buyer.  May be worth splitting the difference with the seller?

Best,
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[MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Former owner of my 94 S420 is still interested in swapping for my 2003 S430 
even.  If you don't recall, here's what he's done with the car since he got it 
in 2010:

>  
> The car spent its entire life in Palm Springs minus one year in Orange County 
> and the last 5 with me.  The second owner purchased at 100,000 miles and made 
> the commute to LA.  He overheated the car and gave it to a mechanic who 
> subsequently made the repairs and sold to me at 185,XXX.  We drove it back to 
> Mobile from California.  Current mileage is 195,000 and below are only the 
> major items that have been replaced/repaired.  Everything works on the car.
>  
> Items that have been replaced:
>  
> AC System
> Climate Control Unit
> Compressor/Dryer/Hoses
> Suction Discharge hose (which is not made any longer)
> Replaced ALL vac pods
> Spent:  $2,000 A/C shop alone
>  
> Engine
> Rebuilt
> Replaced various metal fuel lines
> Replaced as needed plastic clamps on fuel lines
> Purchased rebuilt cruise control amplifier
> Odometer gear went out at 190,000 and was replaced immediately.  Wore gear 
> was original.
> Engine mounts
> Replaced various fuel injectors
>  
> Suspension/Brakes
> Idler arm repair kit
> Replaced steering gear box with used unit
> New Michelins at 187,582
> Both tie rods
> Replaced pads, rotors, calipers
> Wheel speed sensors
> Sway bars/links
> Rear sub frame bushings
>  
> Transmission
> Replaced with a rebuilt unit from Silver Star Transmission
> Replaced both flex discs
> Transmission mount
>  
> Body
> Complete repaint $3500
> No rust or rot
>  
> Interior
> Interior swap from 1991 420sel
> Upgraded to leather wheel
> Replaced dash
> New floor mats
> New stereo/speakers
>  
> Needs attention:
> SRS light on (clock springs have been replaced), still need to diagnose
> Antilock light intermittent 
> Both rear speaker grills are cracked.  Need repair/paint
> Front door speaker grills need repaint
> Small oil drip- have not investigated
> Driver seat has tear on left side of seat bottom and mesh in center of bottom 
> has come apart at the seams in two spots.
> Either one or both of the headlamp washers are inoperable
> 

What do you guys think? It's obviously to my advantage if I was interested in 
such a car.

Dan am I nuts or what?

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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

I'm getting confused.

So the engine in this car is not a rod bender, correct?  If not, 
what was the issue with these? Are these the ones that would crack 
the heads of overheated (#14 head)?


Befuddled Dan

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The 86-87 SDL is NOT  a rodbender.  Those came later and were 350SDs, 
until in the 140, they went back to calling it a 300SD, because they 
had trashed the name of the 350SD.


all were 14 heads, and some made problems early on.  Out of 5 OM603s, 
i've owned all were 14 heads and were reliable.  Herr Doctor 
theorized in his latter years that perhaps most of the bad castings 
were replaced by then, and the remaining ones were good.  I buy into 
that theory.


As long as the compression is good, I would not worry about it other 
than to keep the coolant tank filled to the right level and check it 
regularly.  I put something like 250k miles on my first SDL with the 
14 head, and the head never made trouble.


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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Why in the world would they stick a passenger side airbag in it?

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> On Sep 14, 2015, at 4:14 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Here’s a link to a few pictures:
> 
> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/v4jqy37mencb754/AACTXTN6LSdEz2sJHcg-gucNa?dl=0
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 4:43 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> What's that worth in $$?
>> 
>> -R
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

> Interior
> Interior swap from 1991 420sel

I didn’t notice that.  I wonder if it’s functional? 

Dan


> On Sep 14, 2015, at 6:25 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Why in the world would they stick a passenger side airbag in it?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone


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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Here’s a link to a few pictures:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/v4jqy37mencb754/AACTXTN6LSdEz2sJHcg-gucNa?dl=0

Dan


> On Sep 14, 2015, at 4:43 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> What's that worth in $$?
> 
> -R


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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I'm not sure but it's sort of retarded to give up the glove box space. It may 
be functional but I kind of doubt it 

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On Sep 14, 2015, at 6:14 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
wrote:

>> Interior
>> Interior swap from 1991 420sel
> 
> I didn’t notice that.  I wonder if it’s functional? 
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 6:25 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Why in the world would they stick a passenger side airbag in it?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

I think a good SDL with nothing wrong would bring 10K, so it is 
probably about even value.   (understanding the buyers for a perfect 
SDL are limited in number)  Probably easier to sell the W220.


Another way to look at it is:  AN SDL that good for $6000 is a steal.

Given a choice, I'd take the SDL.  NO CONTEST  a durable real car 
(PKW) vs a plastic electron wagon  (PEW)


Without doing a lot of legwork, a quick review would suggest that my 
car (2003 S430) is worth around $8k-$10, depending on the market and 
venue.


I have roughly $6.5k in the car including my purchase price.

Using that as a basis point the question becomes, would the W126 as 
described be worth $6k?


Dan


 On Sep 14, 2015, at 3:48 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:


 Sure he has spent a lot of money on it but a 220 should be worth a 
hell of a lot more than a 126.



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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

It might be worth 6k depending on market but around here it would probably be 
worth 3-4k. So by your numbers your car is worth more.

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> On Sep 14, 2015, at 4:08 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Without doing a lot of legwork, a quick review would suggest that my car 
> (2003 S430) is worth around $8k-$10, depending on the market and venue.
> 
> I have roughly $6.5k in the car including my purchase price.
> 
> Using that as a basis point the question becomes, would the W126 as described 
> be worth $6k?
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 3:48 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Sure he has spent a lot of money on it but a 220 should be worth a hell of a 
>> lot more than a 126.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Without doing a lot of legwork, a quick review would suggest that my car (2003 
S430) is worth around $8k-$10, depending on the market and venue.

I have roughly $6.5k in the car including my purchase price.

Using that as a basis point the question becomes, would the W126 as described 
be worth $6k?

Dan


> On Sep 14, 2015, at 3:48 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Sure he has spent a lot of money on it but a 220 should be worth a hell of a 
> lot more than a 126.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 


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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

That may be why the SRS light is on?

Oil leak and other problems may indicate deeper problems, which may be cheap to 
fix once diagnosed, or may be a nightmare if the work was done poorly.

This car sounds more like a nice project, less like a Mercedes Martha daily 
driver (but I'll bet it is quite reliable and will get you around).

Go for it!

I call first dibs when you decide to sell!
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On September 14, 2015 8:15:19 PM EDT, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
 wrote:
>I'm not sure but it's sort of retarded to give up the glove box space.
>It may be functional but I kind of doubt it 
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Sep 14, 2015, at 6:14 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
>>> Interior
>>> Interior swap from 1991 420sel
>> 
>> I didn’t notice that.  I wonder if it’s functional? 
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 

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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[WILTON via Mercedes]

My (Tim's) 91 350SDL has right side air bag; no glove box.

Wilton

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
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Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 8:15 PM
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I'm not sure but it's sort of retarded to give up the glove box space. It 
may be functional but I kind of doubt it


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 14, 2015, at 6:14 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:



Interior
Interior swap from 1991 420sel


I didn’t notice that.  I wonder if it’s functional? 

Dan


On Sep 14, 2015, at 6:25 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Why in the world would they stick a passenger side airbag in it?

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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

What's that worth in $$?

-R

On 9/14/15 1:06 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Former owner of my 94 S420 is still interested in swapping for my 2003 S430 
even.  If you don't recall, here's what he's done with the car since he got it 
in 2010:



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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

What is the Martha treatment worth? Thats gotta add in there somewhere.
That color is snoresville too...
-Curt
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 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap
   
It might be worth 6k depending on market but around here it would probably be 
worth 3-4k. So by your numbers your car is worth more.

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> On Sep 14, 2015, at 4:08 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Without doing a lot of legwork, a quick review would suggest that my car 
> (2003 S430) is worth around $8k-$10, depending on the market and venue.
> 
> I have roughly $6.5k in the car including my purchase price.
> 
> Using that as a basis point the question becomes, would the W126 as described 
> be worth $6k?
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 3:48 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Sure he has spent a lot of money on it but a 220 should be worth a hell of a 
>> lot more than a 126.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[OK Don via Mercedes]

"Engine - rebuilt." doesn't tell you much - what was done to it by whom? It
now has an oil leak - should a rebuilt engine leak oil?
What head does it have? Etc. . . . .


On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The 126 is the epitome of Mercedes Benz.
> The SDL is the epitome of the 126 chassis.
>
> Sounds like it may need the center link between the tierods some day, but
> that is easy and not expensive.
>
> Sounds like a nice car and it should have lower maint. costs than a 140.
> Especially since he has done all that work.   May need upper and lower ball
> joints some day.
>
>
>
> Former owner of my 94 S420 is still interested in swapping for my 2003
>> S430 even.  If you don't recall, here's what he's done with the car since
>> he got it in 2010:
>>
>>
>>>  The car spent its entire life in Palm Springs minus one year in Orange
>>> County and the last 5 with me.  The second owner purchased at 100,000 miles
>>> and made the commute to LA.  He *overheated the car and gave it to a
>>> mechanic who subsequently made the repairs* and sold to me at 185,XXX.
>>> We drove it back to Mobile from California. Current mileage is 195,000 and
>>> below are only the major items that have been replaced/repaired.
>>> Everything works on the car.
>>>
>>> 
>>>  Engine
>>>  Rebuilt
>>>  Replaced various metal fuel lines *(the ones not replaced will fail
>>> next)*
>>>  Replaced as needed plastic clamps on fuel lines *(the ones not
>>> replaced will fail next)*
>>>  Purchased rebuilt cruise control amplifier
>>>  Odometer gear went out at 190,000 and was replaced immediately. Wore
>>> gear was original.
>>>  Engine mounts
>>>  Replaced various fuel injectors *(the ones not replaced will fail
>>> next)*
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>
>> What do you guys think? It's obviously to my advantage if I was
>> interested in such a car.
>>
>> Dan am I nuts or what?
>>
>>
>
You are trading a know set of problems for an unknown set, that having been
said, I'd rather have a W126 than a W140.

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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

The 126 is the epitome of Mercedes Benz.
The SDL is the epitome of the 126 chassis.

Sounds like it may need the center link between the tierods some day, 
but that is easy and not expensive.


Sounds like a nice car and it should have lower maint. costs than a 
140.  Especially since he has done all that work.   May need upper 
and lower ball joints some day.



Former owner of my 94 S420 is still interested in swapping for my 
2003 S430 even.  If you don't recall, here's what he's done with the 
car since he got it in 2010:




 The car spent its entire life in Palm Springs minus one year in 
Orange County and the last 5 with me.  The second owner purchased 
at 100,000 miles and made the commute to LA.  He overheated the car 
and gave it to a mechanic who subsequently made the repairs and 
sold to me at 185,XXX.  We drove it back to Mobile from California. 
Current mileage is 195,000 and below are only the major items that 
have been replaced/repaired.  Everything works on the car.


 Items that have been replaced:

 AC System
 Climate Control Unit
 Compressor/Dryer/Hoses
 Suction Discharge hose (which is not made any longer)
 Replaced ALL vac pods
 Spent:  $2,000 A/C shop alone

 Engine
 Rebuilt
 Replaced various metal fuel lines
 Replaced as needed plastic clamps on fuel lines
 Purchased rebuilt cruise control amplifier
 Odometer gear went out at 190,000 and was replaced immediately. 
Wore gear was original.

 Engine mounts
 Replaced various fuel injectors

 Suspension/Brakes
 Idler arm repair kit
 Replaced steering gear box with used unit
 New Michelins at 187,582
 Both tie rods
 Replaced pads, rotors, calipers
 Wheel speed sensors
 Sway bars/links
 Rear sub frame bushings

 Transmission
 Replaced with a rebuilt unit from Silver Star Transmission
 Replaced both flex discs
 Transmission mount

 Body
 Complete repaint $3500
 No rust or rot

 Interior
 Interior swap from 1991 420sel
 Upgraded to leather wheel
 Replaced dash
 New floor mats
 New stereo/speakers

 Needs attention:
 SRS light on (clock springs have been replaced), still need to diagnose
 Antilock light intermittent
 Both rear speaker grills are cracked.  Need repair/paint
 Front door speaker grills need repaint
 Small oil drip- have not investigated
 Driver seat has tear on left side of seat bottom and mesh in 
center of bottom has come apart at the seams in two spots.

 Either one or both of the headlamp washers are inoperable



What do you guys think? It's obviously to my advantage if I was 
interested in such a car.


Dan am I nuts or what?

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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I've seen the actual bill for the rebuild but it doesn't specify the part 
number for the head. It is visible in place as a casting number, isn't it?

I was wondering the same thing myself. However, since the rebuild was done in 
2010, would the original heads still be available? I can have him look at it 
and tell me. He knows about the rod bender issues so I'm assuming the newer 
head was installed.

I would be trading a W220 for a W126, so it would be like going from present 
day to the 1980s. Not a bad thing as far as I'm concerned.

I suspect that a leak is probably due to lack of use. The car hadn't been 
driven much in the recent past to my knowledge.

Dan

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> On Sep 14, 2015, at 2:18 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> "Engine - rebuilt." doesn't tell you much - what was done to it by whom? It
> now has an oil leak - should a rebuilt engine leak oil?
> What head does it have? Etc. . . . .
> 

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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Sure he has spent a lot of money on it but a 220 should be worth a hell of a 
lot more than a 126.

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> On Sep 14, 2015, at 2:02 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Crazy how? As in I'm crazy or he's crazy?
> 
> Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 2:58 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> That trade is crazy unless your 220 has lots of problems or you just hate it 
>> and love the 126
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 1:38 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I've seen the actual bill for the rebuild but it doesn't specify the part 
>>> number for the head. It is visible in place as a casting number, isn't it?
>>> 
>>> I was wondering the same thing myself. However, since the rebuild was done 
>>> in 2010, would the original heads still be available? I can have him look 
>>> at it and tell me. He knows about the rod bender issues so I'm assuming the 
>>> newer head was installed.
>>> 
>>> I would be trading a W220 for a W126, so it would be like going from 
>>> present day to the 1980s. Not a bad thing as far as I'm concerned.
>>> 
>>> I suspect that a leak is probably due to lack of use. The car hadn't been 
>>> driven much in the recent past to my knowledge.
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
 On Sep 14, 2015, at 2:18 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
 wrote:
 
 "Engine - rebuilt." doesn't tell you much - what was done to it by whom? It
 now has an oil leak - should a rebuilt engine leak oil?
 What head does it have? Etc. . . . .
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I'm getting confused.

So the engine in this car is not a rod bender, correct?  If not, what was the 
issue with these? Are these the ones that would crack the heads of overheated 
(#14 head)?

Befuddled Dan

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>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 2:18 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> "Engine - rebuilt." doesn't tell you much - what was done to it by whom? It
>> now has an oil leak - should a rebuilt engine leak oil?
>> What head does it have? Etc. . . . .
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Yes cracked #14 heads

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> On Sep 14, 2015, at 1:47 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm getting confused.
> 
> So the engine in this car is not a rod bender, correct?  If not, what was the 
> issue with these? Are these the ones that would crack the heads of overheated 
> (#14 head)?
> 
> Befuddled Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 2:18 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> "Engine - rebuilt." doesn't tell you much - what was done to it by whom? It
>>> now has an oil leak - should a rebuilt engine leak oil?
>>> What head does it have? Etc. . . . .
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

That trade is crazy unless your 220 has lots of problems or you just hate it 
and love the 126

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> On Sep 14, 2015, at 1:38 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I've seen the actual bill for the rebuild but it doesn't specify the part 
> number for the head. It is visible in place as a casting number, isn't it?
> 
> I was wondering the same thing myself. However, since the rebuild was done in 
> 2010, would the original heads still be available? I can have him look at it 
> and tell me. He knows about the rod bender issues so I'm assuming the newer 
> head was installed.
> 
> I would be trading a W220 for a W126, so it would be like going from present 
> day to the 1980s. Not a bad thing as far as I'm concerned.
> 
> I suspect that a leak is probably due to lack of use. The car hadn't been 
> driven much in the recent past to my knowledge.
> 
> Dan
> 
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>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 2:18 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> "Engine - rebuilt." doesn't tell you much - what was done to it by whom? It
>> now has an oil leak - should a rebuilt engine leak oil?
>> What head does it have? Etc. . . . .
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL Swap

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Crazy how? As in I'm crazy or he's crazy?

Dan

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> On Sep 14, 2015, at 2:58 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That trade is crazy unless your 220 has lots of problems or you just hate it 
> and love the 126
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 1:38 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I've seen the actual bill for the rebuild but it doesn't specify the part 
>> number for the head. It is visible in place as a casting number, isn't it?
>> 
>> I was wondering the same thing myself. However, since the rebuild was done 
>> in 2010, would the original heads still be available? I can have him look at 
>> it and tell me. He knows about the rod bender issues so I'm assuming the 
>> newer head was installed.
>> 
>> I would be trading a W220 for a W126, so it would be like going from present 
>> day to the 1980s. Not a bad thing as far as I'm concerned.
>> 
>> I suspect that a leak is probably due to lack of use. The car hadn't been 
>> driven much in the recent past to my knowledge.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 2:18 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> "Engine - rebuilt." doesn't tell you much - what was done to it by whom? It
>>> now has an oil leak - should a rebuilt engine leak oil?
>>> What head does it have? Etc. . . . .
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