Re: [MBZ] 240D starter

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Happily, the solenoid can be easily replaced without removing the starter
from the car. Especially on a 240D. I have done this on my 300D W115.

> On Apr 26, 2022, at 8:04 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> This really nice dark red on dark red 83 240D I have seems to have a
starter issue.  I have only started it up briefly to move it around.
Lately sometimes the starter just clicks.  I hit the key a few times and it
goes.  Also, after shutting the engine down, starter it still spinning but
not engaged to the flywheel.  Just freewheeling.  I have to unhook the
battery to stop it.  If I whack it with a hammer it stops.  I guess
something with the solenoid is sticking?  Probably need to replace it as
well.
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Re: [MBZ] 240D starter

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

And a Cummins, deal.

On 4/26/2022 8:16 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:

I’ll give you $505.

AZBob

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On Apr 26, 2022, at 5:07 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
 wrote:

The contact disc in the solenoid is stuck/welded. Time for a rebuilt starter.

It’s a POS, so you can sell it to me for $500.

-D


On Apr 26, 2022, at 8:04 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

This really nice dark red on dark red 83 240D I have seems to have a starter 
issue.  I have only started it up briefly to move it around.  Lately sometimes 
the starter just clicks.  I hit the key a few times and it goes.  Also, after 
shutting the engine down, starter it still spinning but not engaged to the 
flywheel.  Just freewheeling.  I have to unhook the battery to stop it.  If I 
whack it with a hammer it stops.  I guess something with the solenoid is 
sticking?  Probably need to replace it as well.  I know the alternator needs to 
be replaced because with the key off the battery light stays on, key turned on, 
light goes off.

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Re: [MBZ] 240D starter

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

I’ll give you $505. 

AZBob

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> On Apr 26, 2022, at 5:07 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The contact disc in the solenoid is stuck/welded. Time for a rebuilt starter.
> 
> It’s a POS, so you can sell it to me for $500.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Apr 26, 2022, at 8:04 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> This really nice dark red on dark red 83 240D I have seems to have a starter 
>> issue.  I have only started it up briefly to move it around.  Lately 
>> sometimes the starter just clicks.  I hit the key a few times and it goes.  
>> Also, after shutting the engine down, starter it still spinning but not 
>> engaged to the flywheel.  Just freewheeling.  I have to unhook the battery 
>> to stop it.  If I whack it with a hammer it stops.  I guess something with 
>> the solenoid is sticking?  Probably need to replace it as well.  I know the 
>> alternator needs to be replaced because with the key off the battery light 
>> stays on, key turned on, light goes off.
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Re: [MBZ] 240D starter

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

The contact disc in the solenoid is stuck/welded. Time for a rebuilt starter.

It’s a POS, so you can sell it to me for $500.

-D

> On Apr 26, 2022, at 8:04 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> This really nice dark red on dark red 83 240D I have seems to have a starter 
> issue.  I have only started it up briefly to move it around.  Lately 
> sometimes the starter just clicks.  I hit the key a few times and it goes.  
> Also, after shutting the engine down, starter it still spinning but not 
> engaged to the flywheel.  Just freewheeling.  I have to unhook the battery to 
> stop it.  If I whack it with a hammer it stops.  I guess something with the 
> solenoid is sticking?  Probably need to replace it as well.  I know the 
> alternator needs to be replaced because with the key off the battery light 
> stays on, key turned on, light goes off.
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[MBZ] 240D starter

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

This really nice dark red on dark red 83 240D I have seems to have a 
starter issue.  I have only started it up briefly to move it around.  
Lately sometimes the starter just clicks.  I hit the key a few times and 
it goes.  Also, after shutting the engine down, starter it still 
spinning but not engaged to the flywheel.  Just freewheeling.  I have to 
unhook the battery to stop it.  If I whack it with a hammer it stops.  I 
guess something with the solenoid is sticking?  Probably need to replace 
it as well.  I know the alternator needs to be replaced because with the 
key off the battery light stays on, key turned on, light goes off.


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Re: [MBZ] 240D starter car for collectors

[G Mann via Mercedes]

I have the exact match to that car, in every way, color, interior, etc
etc... only in 300D, with 102,000 miles, one owner previous to myself.

Time for a Martha Marathon to trick out the polish details and a Bring A
Trailer listing... in the fall, when it cools down here...

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[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

With deep pockets.  Neil Dubay and Star Motors have cornered the market on
classics from this era.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1983-mercedes-benz-240d-23/?utm_source=dm_medium=email_campaign=2020-07-30
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter

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There are components that are more expensive than batteries which could send a 
Prius to the junkyard. The batteries are rebuildable since they are composed of 
many separate cells that can be replaced for roughly $45 each and then 
carefully balanced. The usual life expectancy of the cars is probably 250,000 
up, but I'm just guessing. One of the best information sources is 
Priuschat.com, and there are also useful sites in Canada and other foreign 
countries.
I don't remember what kind of batteries the version ones had, but the version 
two's like mine had nicads, the same type rechargeable batteries that you can 
buy at the drugstore. Some or all later versions have NiMH I think. 
These are finicky little cars with a lot of gotchas. Put the wrong fluid in 
something under the hood and you've just made a several thousand dollar mistake.
Gerry


> The battery packs are probably the reason they're in the PnP.
> Jaime
> 
> On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 7:43 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > Checking PnP yards and the Priii are showing up in numbers.  Mostly the
> > original series.  I am trying to figure out if the battery packs could be
> > used to make an electric SLC.
> >
> > clay
> >
> > 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> > 1986 SDL - Polei
> > 1982 300 SD - Allen
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Dec 16, 2017, at 9:12 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Except for the "dry type" batteries like the Prius uses, I've never had
> > a battery that covers couldn't be pried off of that exposed the cells and
> > allowed the use of a hydrometer and the addition of water; and I've never
> > had one that the covers couldn't be pushed or tapped back on.
> > > I can understand why stores don't want their clerks dealing with
> > sulfuric acid solution, and would rather replace batteries than open them,
> > but for DIYers, I think a hydrometer could save a lot of time and trouble.
> > > The last battery I bought had no visible electrolyte in one cell when I
> > checked it after driving home. I took it back and told the manager.
> > > He refused to even look at the cell and said if the battery goes bad,
> > he'll replace it.
> > > I guessed that the factory had put in the acid but not the water since
> > the battery likely wouldn't have started the car if they had added the
> > water but not the acid, so I went home and filled the cell with distilled
> > water. It's been a few years and the battery is still working well.
> > > Gerry
> > >
> > >
> > > ~~~
> > >> Gerry writes:
> > >>
> > >>> I don't understand why seemingly no one uses a sp.gr. hydrometer
> > anymore.
> > >>
> > >> Two words.
> > >> Sealed.
> > >> Batteries.
> > >> I have a turkey baster style
> > >> specific gravity hydrometer I haven't used in years
> > >>
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

The battery packs are probably the reason they're in the PnP.

Jaime


On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 7:43 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes <
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> Checking PnP yards and the Priii are showing up in numbers.  Mostly the
> original series.  I am trying to figure out if the battery packs could be
> used to make an electric SLC.
>
> clay
>
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1986 SDL - Polei
> 1982 300 SD - Allen
>
>
>
> > On Dec 16, 2017, at 9:12 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Except for the "dry type" batteries like the Prius uses, I've never had
> a battery that covers couldn't be pried off of that exposed the cells and
> allowed the use of a hydrometer and the addition of water; and I've never
> had one that the covers couldn't be pushed or tapped back on.
> > I can understand why stores don't want their clerks dealing with
> sulfuric acid solution, and would rather replace batteries than open them,
> but for DIYers, I think a hydrometer could save a lot of time and trouble.
> > The last battery I bought had no visible electrolyte in one cell when I
> checked it after driving home. I took it back and told the manager.
> > He refused to even look at the cell and said if the battery goes bad,
> he'll replace it.
> > I guessed that the factory had put in the acid but not the water since
> the battery likely wouldn't have started the car if they had added the
> water but not the acid, so I went home and filled the cell with distilled
> water. It's been a few years and the battery is still working well.
> > Gerry
> >
> >
> > ~~~
> >> Gerry writes:
> >>
> >>> I don't understand why seemingly no one uses a sp.gr. hydrometer
> anymore.
> >>
> >> Two words.
> >> Sealed.
> >> Batteries.
> >> I have a turkey baster style
> >> specific gravity hydrometer I haven't used in years
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

Checking PnP yards and the Priii are showing up in numbers.  Mostly the 
original series.  I am trying to figure out if the battery packs could be used 
to make an electric SLC.

clay 

1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen
 


> On Dec 16, 2017, at 9:12 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Except for the "dry type" batteries like the Prius uses, I've never had a 
> battery that covers couldn't be pried off of that exposed the cells and 
> allowed the use of a hydrometer and the addition of water; and I've never had 
> one that the covers couldn't be pushed or tapped back on. 
> I can understand why stores don't want their clerks dealing with sulfuric 
> acid solution, and would rather replace batteries than open them, but for 
> DIYers, I think a hydrometer could save a lot of time and trouble.
> The last battery I bought had no visible electrolyte in one cell when I 
> checked it after driving home. I took it back and told the manager. 
> He refused to even look at the cell and said if the battery goes bad, he'll 
> replace it. 
> I guessed that the factory had put in the acid but not the water since the 
> battery likely wouldn't have started the car if they had added the water but 
> not the acid, so I went home and filled the cell with distilled water. It's 
> been a few years and the battery is still working well.
> Gerry 
> 
> 
> ~~~
>> Gerry writes:
>> 
>>> I don't understand why seemingly no one uses a sp.gr. hydrometer anymore.
>> 
>> Two words.
>> Sealed. 
>> Batteries.
>> I have a turkey baster style
>> specific gravity hydrometer I haven't used in years
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Even if they did, the water has to go in first.  You _never_ add water to
acid, not unless you _like_ steam-driven acid droplets everywhere.  So, if
they left anything out, it would have been the acid!

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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Batteries don't get acid and water added separately.  They dilute the acid
to strength, then add the result to the cells.  Could have been a short
pour...

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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter

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Except for the "dry type" batteries like the Prius uses, I've never had a 
battery that covers couldn't be pried off of that exposed the cells and allowed 
the use of a hydrometer and the addition of water; and I've never had one that 
the covers couldn't be pushed or tapped back on. 
I can understand why stores don't want their clerks dealing with sulfuric acid 
solution, and would rather replace batteries than open them, but for DIYers, I 
think a hydrometer could save a lot of time and trouble.
The last battery I bought had no visible electrolyte in one cell when I checked 
it after driving home. I took it back and told the manager. 
He refused to even look at the cell and said if the battery goes bad, he'll 
replace it. 
I guessed that the factory had put in the acid but not the water since the 
battery likely wouldn't have started the car if they had added the water but 
not the acid, so I went home and filled the cell with distilled water. It's 
been a few years and the battery is still working well.
Gerry 


~~~
> Gerry writes:
> 
> >I don't understand why seemingly no one uses a sp.gr. hydrometer anymore.
> 
> Two words.
> Sealed. 
> Batteries.
> I have a turkey baster style
> specific gravity hydrometer I haven't used in years
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

that and holes in clothes...


Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
December 16, 2017 at 8:07 PM

Two words.
Sealed.
Batteries.
I have a turkey baster style
specific gravity hydrometer I haven't used in years

Rick


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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I'm guessing either the starter or battery is bad, but I've had cables 
corroded under the jacket by the terminal.  Invisible and hard to figure 
out.  I cut the jacket, saw the corrosion,  cut off the terminal and a 
couple inches of the cable, bolted on a new terminal, problem solves, 
but not OE.



Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
December 16, 2017 at 6:28 PM
Yes I could. Now that I have the oil changed I will see how it starts 
in the morning.


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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter

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Refractometer.  Why mess with a hydrometer, and a refractometer tests a lot of 
other stuff, too, like antifreeze concentration?

-D


> On Dec 16, 2017, at 9:07 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Gerry writes:
> 
>> I don't understand why seemingly no one uses a sp.gr. hydrometer anymore.
> 
> Two words.
> Sealed. 
> Batteries.
> I have a turkey baster style
> specific gravity hydrometer I haven't used in years
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Gerry writes:

>I don't understand why seemingly no one uses a sp.gr. hydrometer anymore.

Two words.
Sealed. 
Batteries.
I have a turkey baster style
specific gravity hydrometer I haven't used in years

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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter

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Curley McLain wrote:
> You may still have a problem with the starter,  cable, terminal, or 
> battery.  it should crank full speed for a minute at a time
> 
> > Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
> > December 16, 2017 at 1:31 PM
> > Problem solved. At least I fixed 1 car today. I ohmed the glow plugs 
> > and found 1 dead one. Replaced it with one I had laying around and 
> > BAM, it fired right up. I guess 1 dead plug makes a big difference in 
> > a little 240d

I don't understand why seemingly no one uses a sp.gr. hydrometer anymore.
It has solved so many problems for me, I wouldn't be without it.
The plastic type are okay when they are new, but I still prefer the all glass 
and rubber models such as this $11 model:
https://www.amazon.com/OTC-4619-Professional-Battery-Hydrometer/dp/B0050SFVHO/ref=sr_1_3/143-1233966-9772214?ie=UTF8=1513473626=8-3=battery+hydrometer

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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Not to be a Donnie Downer, but I doubt that has anything to do with your
starting problem.

On Dec 16, 2017 7:28 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yes I could. Now that I have the oil changed I will see how it starts in
> the morning.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Dec 16, 2017, at 5:39 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > You may still have a problem with the starter,  cable, terminal, or
> battery.  it should crank full speed for a minute at a time
> >
> >> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
> >> December 16, 2017 at 1:31 PM
> >> Problem solved. At least I fixed 1 car today. I ohmed the glow plugs
> and found 1 dead one. Replaced it with one I had laying around and BAM, it
> fired right up. I guess 1 dead plug makes a big difference in a little 240d
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter

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Yes I could. Now that I have the oil changed I will see how it starts in the 
morning. 

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> On Dec 16, 2017, at 5:39 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> You may still have a problem with the starter,  cable, terminal, or battery.  
> it should crank full speed for a minute at a time
> 
>> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>> December 16, 2017 at 1:31 PM
>> Problem solved. At least I fixed 1 car today. I ohmed the glow plugs and 
>> found 1 dead one. Replaced it with one I had laying around and BAM, it fired 
>> right up. I guess 1 dead plug makes a big difference in a little 240d
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Only way to tell for sure is to use voltmeter and (hefty) ammeter.  Or,
shotgun parts at it.

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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

You may still have a problem with the starter,  cable, terminal, or 
battery.  it should crank full speed for a minute at a time



Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
December 16, 2017 at 1:31 PM
Problem solved. At least I fixed 1 car today. I ohmed the glow plugs 
and found 1 dead one. Replaced it with one I had laying around and 
BAM, it fired right up. I guess 1 dead plug makes a big difference in 
a little 240d


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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter

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Maybe

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> On Dec 16, 2017, at 2:46 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Ha. I wonder if that's why my 300td doesn't start as a fast as it used to.
> I thought my problem was the block heater, but maybe I have a bad grow plug.
> 
>> On Dec 16, 2017 2:40 PM, "Craig via Mercedes"  wrote:
>> 
>> On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 13:31:48 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Problem solved. At least I fixed 1 car today. I ohmed the glow plugs
>>> and found 1 dead one. Replaced it with one I had laying around and BAM,
>>> it fired right up. I guess 1 dead plug makes a big difference in a
>>> little 240d
>> 
>> Well, it does represent 25% of the glowing capability.
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Ha. I wonder if that's why my 300td doesn't start as a fast as it used to.
I thought my problem was the block heater, but maybe I have a bad grow plug.

On Dec 16, 2017 2:40 PM, "Craig via Mercedes"  wrote:

> On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 13:31:48 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>  wrote:
>
> > Problem solved. At least I fixed 1 car today. I ohmed the glow plugs
> > and found 1 dead one. Replaced it with one I had laying around and BAM,
> > it fired right up. I guess 1 dead plug makes a big difference in a
> > little 240d
>
> Well, it does represent 25% of the glowing capability.
>
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter

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On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 13:31:48 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> Problem solved. At least I fixed 1 car today. I ohmed the glow plugs
> and found 1 dead one. Replaced it with one I had laying around and BAM,
> it fired right up. I guess 1 dead plug makes a big difference in a
> little 240d

Well, it does represent 25% of the glowing capability.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter

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Problem solved. At least I fixed 1 car today. I ohmed the glow plugs and found 
1 dead one. Replaced it with one I had laying around and BAM, it fired right 
up. I guess 1 dead plug makes a big difference in a little 240d

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> On Dec 16, 2017, at 11:57 AM, ROGER HALE via Mercedes  
> wrote:
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> Kaleb,
> 
>   Put your wife to work.  Hook up the tow cable and tow it to start it.  
> I've done it a few times before with my 300D.  Put in neutral, get to over 
> 35mph and put in 2nd.  When it starts, put in neutral again and rev the pedal 
> to blow out the excess fuel in the cylinders from your cranking to try and 
> start it.  If it starts and runs ok and once warm, restarts easily again, it 
> will pretty much indicate what is wrong.  If it's still slow cranking, then 
> mostly likely the starter is tired.
> 
> Good luck and best wishes,
> 
> Roger
> 
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> Monroe, Ga.
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

turn on the headlights, then watch the light as you crank it.  
(Voltmeter of sorts)  If the lights go out when the starter cranks, bad 
battery or short in  starter.  Generally bad battery.


If the lights only dim, look at terminals, cables and starter.


Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
December 16, 2017 at 1:22 PM
We did that with the Snowmobile Club's tractor. 6v when cranking, no 
wonder it needed a jump...


Curt


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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

We did that with the Snowmobile Club's tractor. 6v when cranking, no wonder it 
needed a jump...

Curt

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Mercedes wrote:   Hey, Spencer, put a voltmeter on the 
battery and watch it while I crank the engine.

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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

We did that with the Snowmobile Club's tractor. 6v when cranking, no wonder it 
needed a jump...

Curt

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battery and watch it while I crank the engine.

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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter

[ROGER HALE via Mercedes]

Kaleb,

   Put your wife to work.  Hook up the tow cable and tow it to start it.  
I've done it a few times before with my 300D.  Put in neutral, get to over 
35mph and put in 2nd.  When it starts, put in neutral again and rev the pedal 
to blow out the excess fuel in the cylinders from your cranking to try and 
start it.  If it starts and runs ok and once warm, restarts easily again, it 
will pretty much indicate what is wrong.  If it's still slow cranking, then 
mostly likely the starter is tired.

Good luck and best wishes,

Roger

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Monroe, Ga.
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter

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Yea. I can’t get any help around here. Now I’m back to dealing with this 642. I 
got 4 cars in here plus a diesel suburban I just picked up that does not run 
that I am jumping back and forth on

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> Hey, Spencer, put a voltmeter on the battery and watch it while I crank the 
> engine.
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter

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I just checked it again and it’s over the top mark but not that much over. I 
cranked it again and paid more attention. It never does start out cranking as 
fast as it should. It starts turning over faster when it’s trying to fire for a 
couple of seconds then slows down further. It’s just like a low batter except 
the battery tests fine and has a full charge. Even has the charger on it in 
maintain mode.

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> On Dec 16, 2017, at 11:07 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I would at least suck out the excess oil before I tried to start it.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Dec 16, 2017, at 11:49 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> The oil level is way too high also indicating they overfilled it. I’m 
>> wanting to get it started and warmed up enough to do an oil change. I may 
>> plug the block heater in for a bit and hope it works.
>> 
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>>> On Dec 16, 2017, at 10:38 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think you've got it figured out.  Thick cold oil would not allow fast 
>>> engine turn then slow down, in my opinion, but I could be wrong.
>>> -- 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter

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Hey, Spencer, put a voltmeter on the battery and watch it while I crank the 
engine.

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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I would at least suck out the excess oil before I tried to start it.

-D


> On Dec 16, 2017, at 11:49 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
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> 
> The oil level is way too high also indicating they overfilled it. I’m wanting 
> to get it started and warmed up enough to do an oil change. I may plug the 
> block heater in for a bit and hope it works.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Dec 16, 2017, at 10:38 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I think you've got it figured out.  Thick cold oil would not allow fast 
>> engine turn then slow down, in my opinion, but I could be wrong.
>> -- 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

The oil level is way too high also indicating they overfilled it. I’m wanting 
to get it started and warmed up enough to do an oil change. I may plug the 
block heater in for a bit and hope it works.

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> 
> I think you've got it figured out.  Thick cold oil would not allow fast 
> engine turn then slow down, in my opinion, but I could be wrong.
> -- 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I think you've got it figured out.  Thick cold oil would not allow fast engine 
turn then slow down, in my opinion, but I could be wrong.
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[MBZ] 240D Starter

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I think I may have a starter issue on this 240D I have been messing 
with.  So when I got it bled I got it started.  I then adjusted the 
valves and since then the temp has dropped.  Since then I have not been 
able to get it started again.  What its doing is it cranks fine for a 
couple of seconds and acts like it wants to start then it quickly starts 
slowing down too slow to fire it off like the battery is dropping too 
quickly.  Battery appears to be fairly new and is out of my 95.  I load 
tested it and it tested fine.  I just wonder if they either have some 
super thick oil in it, or if the starter is getting weak or something.  
Its cooler but not too cold as to where is should have problems 
starting, its been in the 40's and 50's when I have tried to start it.



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[MBZ] 240D Starter Motor

[John Ingram]

Hello Everyone,
I need a new starter motor for my 1983 240D.  What is the best kind  
to get?  How much should it cost?  Where can I get it?  The last one  
was made in Yugoslavia, it lasted 8 years and 100K miles (no longer  
available).  If possible I'd like one that spins the motor a little  
faster since it is an old engine.

Thank You,
John Ingram
83 240D 264K

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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter Motor

[Peter Frederick]

Best bet is a Bosch rebuild from one of the MB parts houses.  Should be $375 or 
a bit more (exchange rate may make it more expensive).  A good one will give 
you 100 rpm or so, if not, it's a dud.

Peter


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Sent: Mar 23, 2010 7:21 AM
To: New MBZ List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] 240D Starter Motor

Hello Everyone,
I need a new starter motor for my 1983 240D.  What is the best kind  
to get?  How much should it cost?  Where can I get it?  The last one  
was made in Yugoslavia, it lasted 8 years and 100K miles (no longer  
available).  If possible I'd like one that spins the motor a little  
faster since it is an old engine.
Thank You,
John Ingram
83 240D 264K

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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter Motor

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

Rebuilt Bosch from Rusty. That's what I put on my other 240D.

Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles.  
1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles.
Wickford, RI
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Subject: [MBZ] 240D Starter Motor

Hello Everyone,
I need a new starter motor for my 1983 240D.  What is the best kind  
to get?  How much should it cost?  Where can I get it?  The last one  
was made in Yugoslavia, it lasted 8 years and 100K miles (no longer  
available).  If possible I'd like one that spins the motor a little  
faster since it is an old engine.
Thank You,
John Ingram
83 240D 264K

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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter Motor

[Greg Fiorentino]

Bosch factory reman from Rusty.  Very good price and excellent product.

Greg

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Subject: [MBZ] 240D Starter Motor

Hello Everyone,
I need a new starter motor for my 1983 240D.  What is the best kind  
to get?  How much should it cost?  Where can I get it?  The last one  
was made in Yugoslavia, it lasted 8 years and 100K miles (no longer  
available).  If possible I'd like one that spins the motor a little  
faster since it is an old engine.
Thank You,
John Ingram
83 240D 264K

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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter Motor

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

see the bottom of each message for parts suppliers.  If you want a used 
one I can hook you up cheap.


John Ingram wrote:

Hello Everyone,
I need a new starter motor for my 1983 240D.  What is the best kind to 
get?  How much should it cost?  Where can I get it?  The last one was 
made in Yugoslavia, it lasted 8 years and 100K miles (no longer 
available).  If possible I'd like one that spins the motor a little 
faster since it is an old engine.

Thank You,
John Ingram
83 240D 264K

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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter Problems

[Greg Fiorentino]

Son and I completed the starter replacement today.  It took us 3 two-hour
sessions to get it all done, not much room to turn a wrench, much less a
breaker bar!  Thanks again to all for the tips, and to Rusty for getting the
reman starter to us so quickly.  BTW, I could feel the play in the rear
starter bearing on the old starter when moving the pinion gear!  It was
definitely shot.

Greg

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Greg Fiorentino
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 8:08 PM
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter Problems

Replace the starter?  I'll just have to do it again in another 30 years!
:-).

 Hope teeth are not ground out of flywheel  Fingers crossed!

 Also measure the voltage between the positive post (not the clamp) of the
battery and the post of the starter while cranking.  Measure the voltage
between the negative post of the battery and the case of the starter (or the
engine block) while cranking.  Both should be negligible.
If there is significant voltage on either, you have a cabling problem.
Good testing protocol...I'll do this before I order a new one.

Thanks to all for the tips!

Greg

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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Russ Williams
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 7:03 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter Problems

Greg,

Replace the Starter.
My wifes 240D was doing the same thing.
Replaced the starter Problem solved.
You can replace the solenoid but when I took the old
one apart to inspect it before I did the solenoid change
the Brush holder was messed up and the commutator came out
in 3 pieces.
Save yourself sometime and order one from Rusty.

Russ W. Still looking for a Manny Tranny G
240D x2

Greg Fiorentino wrote:
 Hi All:

 The son's 240D has been experiencing minor difficulty starting for a while
 (grinding a bit, then starting), culminating in a no start condition.  I
 checked the battery, it is showing 12.5 volts and headlights come on
bright.
 I tried jumping from the wife's TD, showing 13.75 volts at the 240D
battery
 (with TD engine running).  No go.  I tried tapping the solenoid with a
 mallet (maybe not hard enough).  Still no joy.  It is cranking very slowly
 and grinding.

 My hypothesis is a sticking solenoid.

 I have the 123 manual CDs, but don't find any module on RR the starter.
I
 see Rusty has a rebuilt Bosch for a good price.  I have searched the
 archives and found a few messages saying this is a pretty doable repair.

 Am I overlooking something in the manual?

 Any tips or tricks?

 TIA

 Greg Fiorentino
 '85 300SD
 '80 240D 4 spd. manual
 '79 300DT (with new crate engine)
 '95 and '97 Crown Vics







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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter Problems

[winmutt]

Heh, working on a 240D is like swimming in the ocean compared to a turbo 
300D. One thing I really love about the 240D is all the space in there 
you can have a tea party!


-Rolf

Greg Fiorentino wrote:

Son and I completed the starter replacement today.  It took us 3 two-hour
sessions to get it all done, not much room to turn a wrench, much less a
breaker bar!  Thanks again to all for the tips, and to Rusty for getting the
reman starter to us so quickly.  BTW, I could feel the play in the rear
starter bearing on the old starter when moving the pinion gear!  It was
definitely shot.

Greg

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On Behalf Of Greg Fiorentino
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 8:08 PM
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter Problems

Replace the starter?  I'll just have to do it again in another 30 years!
:-).

 Hope teeth are not ground out of flywheel  Fingers crossed!

 Also measure the voltage between the positive post (not the clamp) of the
battery and the post of the starter while cranking.  Measure the voltage
between the negative post of the battery and the case of the starter (or the
engine block) while cranking.  Both should be negligible.
If there is significant voltage on either, you have a cabling problem.
Good testing protocol...I'll do this before I order a new one.

Thanks to all for the tips!

Greg

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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Russ Williams
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 7:03 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter Problems

Greg,

Replace the Starter.
My wifes 240D was doing the same thing.
Replaced the starter Problem solved.
You can replace the solenoid but when I took the old
one apart to inspect it before I did the solenoid change
the Brush holder was messed up and the commutator came out
in 3 pieces.
Save yourself sometime and order one from Rusty.

Russ W. Still looking for a Manny Tranny G
240D x2

Greg Fiorentino wrote:
  

Hi All:

The son's 240D has been experiencing minor difficulty starting for a while
(grinding a bit, then starting), culminating in a no start condition.  I
checked the battery, it is showing 12.5 volts and headlights come on


bright.
  

I tried jumping from the wife's TD, showing 13.75 volts at the 240D


battery
  

(with TD engine running).  No go.  I tried tapping the solenoid with a
mallet (maybe not hard enough).  Still no joy.  It is cranking very slowly
and grinding.

My hypothesis is a sticking solenoid.

I have the 123 manual CDs, but don't find any module on RR the starter.


I
  

see Rusty has a rebuilt Bosch for a good price.  I have searched the
archives and found a few messages saying this is a pretty doable repair.

Am I overlooking something in the manual?

Any tips or tricks?

TIA

Greg Fiorentino
'85 300SD
'80 240D 4 spd. manual
'79 300DT (with new crate engine)
'95 and '97 Crown Vics







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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter Problems

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

right

OK Don wrote:

Disconnect the battery ground connection first ---
  


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[MBZ] 240D Starter Problems

[Greg Fiorentino]

Hi All:

The son's 240D has been experiencing minor difficulty starting for a while
(grinding a bit, then starting), culminating in a no start condition.  I
checked the battery, it is showing 12.5 volts and headlights come on bright.
I tried jumping from the wife's TD, showing 13.75 volts at the 240D battery
(with TD engine running).  No go.  I tried tapping the solenoid with a
mallet (maybe not hard enough).  Still no joy.  It is cranking very slowly
and grinding.

My hypothesis is a sticking solenoid.

I have the 123 manual CDs, but don't find any module on RR the starter.  I
see Rusty has a rebuilt Bosch for a good price.  I have searched the
archives and found a few messages saying this is a pretty doable repair.

Am I overlooking something in the manual?

Any tips or tricks?

TIA

Greg Fiorentino
'85 300SD
'80 240D 4 spd. manual
'79 300DT (with new crate engine)
'95 and '97 Crown Vics







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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter Problems

[Jim Cathey]

checked the battery, it is showing 12.5 volts and headlights come on 
bright.
I tried jumping from the wife's TD, showing 13.75 volts at the 240D 
battery

(with TD engine running).  No go.  I tried tapping the solenoid with a
mallet (maybe not hard enough).  Still no joy.  It is cranking very 
slowly

and grinding.


You've only made half of the four tests that a voltmeter
should be used for.  Also measure the voltage between the
positive post (not the clamp) of the battery and the post
of the starter while cranking.  Measure the voltage between
the negative post of the battery and the case of the starter
(or the engine block) while cranking.  Both should be negligible.
If there is significant voltage on either, you have a cabling
problem.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter Problems

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Its pretty straightforward.  Jack car up, remove 2 bolts, remove wires, 
pull starter out, put new starter in.  Hope teeth are not ground out of 
flywheel


Greg Fiorentino wrote:

Hi All:

The son's 240D has been experiencing minor difficulty starting for a while
(grinding a bit, then starting), culminating in a no start condition.  I
checked the battery, it is showing 12.5 volts and headlights come on bright.
I tried jumping from the wife's TD, showing 13.75 volts at the 240D battery
(with TD engine running).  No go.  I tried tapping the solenoid with a
mallet (maybe not hard enough).  Still no joy.  It is cranking very slowly
and grinding.

My hypothesis is a sticking solenoid.

I have the 123 manual CDs, but don't find any module on RR the starter.  I
see Rusty has a rebuilt Bosch for a good price.  I have searched the
archives and found a few messages saying this is a pretty doable repair.

Am I overlooking something in the manual?

Any tips or tricks?

TIA

Greg Fiorentino
'85 300SD
'80 240D 4 spd. manual
'79 300DT (with new crate engine)
'95 and '97 Crown Vics







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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter Problems

[Wonko the Sane]

One more thing. Get the replacement starter from Rusty. I went through four
... yes FOUR ... rebuilt from the local McParts [all returned / replaced
at no cost, except for the final one, for which I was given a refund]. The
one from Rusty has worked fine for well over a year. ... Turned out that
Rusty's price for a Bosch was actually less than the
rebuilt-in-a-third-world-country ones that I tried first.

On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 8:47 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote:

 Its pretty straightforward.  Jack car up, remove 2 bolts, remove wires,
 pull starter out, put new starter in.  Hope teeth are not ground out of
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter Problems

[Russ Williams]

Greg,

Replace the Starter.
My wifes 240D was doing the same thing.
Replaced the starter Problem solved.
You can replace the solenoid but when I took the old
one apart to inspect it before I did the solenoid change
the Brush holder was messed up and the commutator came out
in 3 pieces.
Save yourself sometime and order one from Rusty.

Russ W. Still looking for a Manny Tranny G
240D x2

Greg Fiorentino wrote:

Hi All:

The son's 240D has been experiencing minor difficulty starting for a while
(grinding a bit, then starting), culminating in a no start condition.  I
checked the battery, it is showing 12.5 volts and headlights come on bright.
I tried jumping from the wife's TD, showing 13.75 volts at the 240D battery
(with TD engine running).  No go.  I tried tapping the solenoid with a
mallet (maybe not hard enough).  Still no joy.  It is cranking very slowly
and grinding.

My hypothesis is a sticking solenoid.

I have the 123 manual CDs, but don't find any module on RR the starter.  I
see Rusty has a rebuilt Bosch for a good price.  I have searched the
archives and found a few messages saying this is a pretty doable repair.

Am I overlooking something in the manual?

Any tips or tricks?

TIA

Greg Fiorentino
'85 300SD
'80 240D 4 spd. manual
'79 300DT (with new crate engine)
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter Problems

[OK Don]

Disconnect the battery ground connection first ---

On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 8:47 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote:

 Its pretty straightforward.  Jack car up, remove 2 bolts, remove wires,
 pull starter out, put new starter in.  Hope teeth are not ground out of
 flywheel

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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter Problems

[Peter Frederick]

You should check the current draw on the starter as well -- when  
those direct drive starters get old, the resistance in the winding  
goes up, they turn slow, and draw a colossal amount of current (2000A).


A grinding noise could be two things -- a bad starter over-run clutch  
(those usually screech, though) or a bad ring gear -- either will  
prevent starting.  Could also be bad bushings in the starter that are  
allowing the armature to contact the stationary coils, this will make  
an amazing amount of noise and slow rotation.


Check the cables, too, but I would suspect a bad starter.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter Problems

[Peter Frederick]

A tired Benz diesel starter needs a new armature, not just new  
brushes and a turned commutator, which is all the rebuilt ones  
usually get.  Bad windings is the real problem.


Bosch rebuilds have a new armature.


Peter


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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter Problems

[Greg Fiorentino]

Replace the starter?  I'll just have to do it again in another 30 years!
:-).

 Hope teeth are not ground out of flywheel  Fingers crossed!

 Also measure the voltage between the positive post (not the clamp) of the
battery and the post of the starter while cranking.  Measure the voltage
between the negative post of the battery and the case of the starter (or the
engine block) while cranking.  Both should be negligible.
If there is significant voltage on either, you have a cabling problem.
Good testing protocol...I'll do this before I order a new one.

Thanks to all for the tips!

Greg

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On Behalf Of Russ Williams
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 7:03 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter Problems

Greg,

Replace the Starter.
My wifes 240D was doing the same thing.
Replaced the starter Problem solved.
You can replace the solenoid but when I took the old
one apart to inspect it before I did the solenoid change
the Brush holder was messed up and the commutator came out
in 3 pieces.
Save yourself sometime and order one from Rusty.

Russ W. Still looking for a Manny Tranny G
240D x2

Greg Fiorentino wrote:
 Hi All:

 The son's 240D has been experiencing minor difficulty starting for a while
 (grinding a bit, then starting), culminating in a no start condition.  I
 checked the battery, it is showing 12.5 volts and headlights come on
bright.
 I tried jumping from the wife's TD, showing 13.75 volts at the 240D
battery
 (with TD engine running).  No go.  I tried tapping the solenoid with a
 mallet (maybe not hard enough).  Still no joy.  It is cranking very slowly
 and grinding.

 My hypothesis is a sticking solenoid.

 I have the 123 manual CDs, but don't find any module on RR the starter.
I
 see Rusty has a rebuilt Bosch for a good price.  I have searched the
 archives and found a few messages saying this is a pretty doable repair.

 Am I overlooking something in the manual?

 Any tips or tricks?

 TIA

 Greg Fiorentino
 '85 300SD
 '80 240D 4 spd. manual
 '79 300DT (with new crate engine)
 '95 and '97 Crown Vics







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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter Problems

[OK Don]

I can vouch for this one - BTDT myself several times before I learned my
lesson and stopped trying to rebuild them myself. I now buy the Bosch
rebuilts without even thinking about it.

On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 9:50 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote:

 A tired Benz diesel starter needs a new armature, not just new brushes and
 a turned commutator, which is all the rebuilt ones usually get.  Bad
 windings is the real problem.

 Bosch rebuilds have a new armature.

 --
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