Re: [MBZ] 3.8L 126?
Actually, there are quite a few grey market 380's around also. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: None of the 380 SE and SEL's were gray market cars. The 380 was introduced to the states in 1981 to take the place of the 450 SE and SEL which was discontinued here in 80. Harry 69 280 SEL 135,000 Miles 72 350SL 118,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 3.8L 126?
All euro 3.8 motors had the double chain from the get go. They also have ALOT more power than the US version 3.8. Kevin wrote: Anything different if the car seems to not be a US spec car? The timing chains get upgraded the same year? On Thu, Jan 25, 2007 at 12:19:58PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: None of the 380 SE and SEL's were gray market cars. The 380 was introduced to the states in 1981 to take the place of the 450 SE and SEL which was discontinued here in 80. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 3.8L 126?
Well, this one certainly didn't drive like a stateside version. And that includes the freeway onramp test. Criminy. Thanks for the tips, everyone. On Thu, Jan 25, 2007 at 07:52:18PM -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: All euro 3.8 motors had the double chain from the get go. They also have ALOT more power than the US version 3.8.
Re: [MBZ] 3.8L 126?
Were you looking at a euro version? I would go for it if the price was right. I happen to have a euro 3.8 motor sitting in my garage waiting for a lucky candidate for it. Thinking about dropping it in an 83 380SEL I have. Wouldnt be worth much money though. Holding out for a 380SL with a bad motor. Kevin wrote: Well, this one certainly didn't drive like a stateside version. And that includes the freeway onramp test. Criminy. Thanks for the tips, everyone. On Thu, Jan 25, 2007 at 07:52:18PM -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: All euro 3.8 motors had the double chain from the get go. They also have ALOT more power than the US version 3.8. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 3.8L 126?
Yeah, and it doesn't look like they did a good job of federalizing it either. Still had the headlights, the level control, the german words on the climate control and smaller bumpers. Had power windows and AC though. Was an 85 SEL. Drove very very nice, though needs little stuff like the drivers seat is wiped out and the driver's window doesn't work, and it has an oil leak. Price was quite right for me, but probably more than you'd pay for it. Had a nice paint job and clean interior too. I made a deal with them provided they can appease the cali smog gestapo ;) On Thu, Jan 25, 2007 at 09:54:23PM -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Were you looking at a euro version? I would go for it if the price was right. I happen to have a euro 3.8 motor sitting in my garage waiting for a lucky candidate for it. Thinking about dropping it in an 83 380SEL I have. Wouldnt be worth much money though. Holding out for a 380SL with a bad motor.
Re: [MBZ] 3.8L 126?
Maybe there is a few gray market cars around, but why would anyone want one. You never know what kind of life it had before someone went through the trouble of sneaking in in the country Harry 69 280 SEL 135,000 Miles 72 350SL 118,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 3.8L 126? Actually, there are quite a few grey market 380's around also. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: None of the 380 SE and SEL's were gray market cars. The 380 was introduced to the states in 1981 to take the place of the 450 SE and SEL which was discontinued here in 80. Harry 69 280 SEL 135,000 Miles 72 350SL 118,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection.
Re: [MBZ] 3.8L 126?
Harry 69 280 SEL 135,000 Miles 72 350SL 118,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata Thats exactly my thoughts Tom said Euro cars are more likely to have manual climate control, crank windows, green velour interiors, checkered pasts, to have been hacked up in the federalization process, etc. Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection.
Re: [MBZ] 3.8L 126?
more power, better economy, cool euro features. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe there is a few gray market cars around, but why would anyone want one. You never know what kind of life it had before someone went through the trouble of sneaking in in the country Harry 69 280 SEL 135,000 Miles 72 350SL 118,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 3.8L 126?
I wouldn't be so sure about better economy since alot of the euro spec cars aren't tuned for fuel mileage. A big problem too is if you live in a state that requires yearly emission testing you don't have a snow balls chance in hell of passing it. Unless of course its a older model thats exempt from testing Harry 69 280 SEL 135,000 Miles 72 350SL 118,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 8:11 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 3.8L 126? more power, better economy, cool euro features. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe there is a few gray market cars around, but why would anyone want one. You never know what kind of life it had before someone went through the trouble of sneaking in in the country Harry 69 280 SEL 135,000 Miles 72 350SL 118,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection.
Re: [MBZ] 3.8L 126?
None of the 380 SE and SEL's were gray market cars. The 380 was introduced to the states in 1981 to take the place of the 450 SE and SEL which was discontinued here in 80. Harry 69 280 SEL 135,000 Miles 72 350SL 118,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 7:04 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 3.8L 126? The double roller timing chain that came out in mid-83 is a plus. The earlier single roller chain is the one that tends to explode if you are lucky, you only bend 2 vaves. If you are in the States, you need to know that the the 126 body 380's were all grey market cars. Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com Tom- you might be thinking of the 280s; I believe all of those were grey market, as were any 500s other than the 85 500sel. Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection.
Re: [MBZ] 3.8L 126?
Anything different if the car seems to not be a US spec car? The timing chains get upgraded the same year? On Thu, Jan 25, 2007 at 12:19:58PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: None of the 380 SE and SEL's were gray market cars. The 380 was introduced to the states in 1981 to take the place of the 450 SE and SEL which was discontinued here in 80.
Re: [MBZ] 3.8L 126?
I'm not aware of many gray market 380's getting to the states. If by some possiblility any 380's made it to the states they probably had better timing chains and gears to make up for the higher HP figures of the euro cars. I remember when the 380 was introduced here, it was a really sharp looking car. The big problem was Mercedes hastily introduced it into the states because of the tougher emission laws and the 3.8 V8 was so bogged down it could barely get out of its own way. The HP figures for the US spec was 155 hp@ 5500 and 196 ft.lbs@ 4800. Barely enough to move almost 2 tons of car. I don't think Mercedes upgraded the timing chains or gears until later.. maybe 83 or so Harry 69 280 SEL 135,000 Miles 72 350SL 118,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 3.8L 126? Anything different if the car seems to not be a US spec car? The timing chains get upgraded the same year? On Thu, Jan 25, 2007 at 12:19:58PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: None of the 380 SE and SEL's were gray market cars. The 380 was introduced to the states in 1981 to take the place of the 450 SE and SEL which was discontinued here in 80. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection.
Re: [MBZ] 3.8L 126?
Kevin wrote: Anything different if the car seems to not be a US spec car? The timing chains get upgraded the same year? All the non-US/Canadia 3.8L engines had the double-row chain from the start; the single-row chain was unique to the North American market in an attempt to reduce internal friction and (barely) pass emissions requirements. Other than that, all the usual US/Euro differences and caveats apply. German-market cars had 204hp; US cars 155hp. Euro cars are more likely to have manual climate control, crank windows, green velour interiors, checkered pasts, to have been hacked up in the federalization process, etc. Tom
[MBZ] 3.8L 126?
Aside from the double roller timing chain (which appeared in 83, iirc) is there anything else I should know about these or beware of? Anything that starts to get expensive after a certain number of miles? How miserable of mileage do these beasts get? I see them pop up from time to time and am curious. Thanks... K
Re: [MBZ] 3.8L 126?
The double roller timing chain that came out in mid-83 is a plus. The earlier single roller chain is the one that tends to explode if you are lucky, you only bend 2 vaves. If you are in the States, you need to know that the the 126 body 380's were all grey market cars. Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com Original Message From: Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 01/24/07 02:20 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] 3.8L 126? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Aside from the double roller timing chain (which appeared in 83, iirc) is there anything else I should know about these or beware of? Anything that starts to get expensive after a certain number of miles? How miserable of mileage do these beasts get? I see them pop up from time to time and am curious. Thanks... K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 3.8L 126?
Naw, the 380SE and SEL were US cars. Another benefit us they were designed to operate on regular grade gas. On 1/23/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The double roller timing chain that came out in mid-83 is a plus. The earlier single roller chain is the one that tends to explode if you are lucky, you only bend 2 vaves. If you are in the States, you need to know that the the 126 body 380's were all grey market cars. Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com Original Message From: Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 01/24/07 02:20 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] 3.8L 126? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Aside from the double roller timing chain (which appeared in 83, iirc) is there anything else I should know about these or beware of? Anything that starts to get expensive after a certain number of miles? How miserable of mileage do these beasts get? I see them pop up from time to time and am curious. Thanks... K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 3.8L 126?
The double roller timing chain that came out in mid-83 is a plus. The earlier single roller chain is the one that tends to explode if you are lucky, you only bend 2 vaves. If you are in the States, you need to know that the the 126 body 380's were all grey market cars. Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com Tom- you might be thinking of the 280s; I believe all of those were grey market, as were any 500s other than the 85 500sel. Tony Wirtel
Re: [MBZ] 3.8L 126?
The double chain came in 84. STill just keep eye on the chain though, be aware of any rattles when first starting it up. Kevin wrote: Aside from the double roller timing chain (which appeared in 83, iirc) is there anything else I should know about these or beware of? Anything that starts to get expensive after a certain number of miles? How miserable of mileage do these beasts get? I see them pop up from time to time and am curious. Thanks... K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 3.8L 126?
What do you mean all the 380s were grey market cars? Tom Hargrave wrote: The double roller timing chain that came out in mid-83 is a plus. The earlier single roller chain is the one that tends to explode if you are lucky, you only bend 2 vaves. If you are in the States, you need to know that the the 126 body 380's were all grey market cars. Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 3.8L 126?
No, the 500SEL was available in 84 and 85. 380SEL was 81-83, 380SE was 84-85, 280's were all grey market. Tony Wirtel wrote: The double roller timing chain that came out in mid-83 is a plus. The earlier single roller chain is the one that tends to explode if you are lucky, you only bend 2 vaves. If you are in the States, you need to know that the the 126 body 380's were all grey market cars. Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com Tom- you might be thinking of the 280s; I believe all of those were grey market, as were any 500s other than the 85 500sel. Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 3.8L 126?
How miserable of mileage do these beasts get? Can't speak for the 126, but in the 107 my (sample of one) 560 gets one or two MPG _better_ than a friend's (sample of one) 380, and is a whole lot more fun to drive. Models one year apart. Go figure. On (rare) occasion I've gotten 20 MPG in my SL, on long slow topless cruises around Lake Coeur d'Alene. -- Jim
