Re: [MBZ] Absolutely pathetic fuel "economy"

2005-11-21 Thread l02turner
To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Absolutely pathetic fuel "economy" This has all been very enlightening. I checked my tires and noticed that the pressure in the LR was quite low. I topped it of

Re: [MBZ] Absolutely pathetic fuel "economy"

2005-11-21 Thread andrew strasfogel
This has all been very enlightening. I checked my tires and noticed that the pressure in the LR was quite low. I topped it off along with the others so let's see if that makes a difference. If not, then phase two will be checking the odometer for accuracy. (low hanging fruit) On 11/18/05, Marsha

Re: [MBZ] Absolutely pathetic fuel "economy"

2005-11-19 Thread Marshall Booth
Marshall Booth wrote: Timing chain life is seldom LESS than 200kmi (should about be double that if you use Mobil synthetics) unless you don't change the oil when it's dirty! That the speedometer was worked on a few years ago does NOT insure it's accuracy now. You need to measure it. A road w

Re: [MBZ] Absolutely pathetic fuel "economy"

2005-11-18 Thread John Robbins
Christopher McCann wrote: crappy post Katria fuel and funky odo have been my pet theories as to why my mpgs have gone down recently too (on the SD). Not cold A few days after the hurricane the EPA came out with relaxed regulations for diesel and gasoline as a temporary measure so everyone co

Re: [MBZ] Absolutely pathetic fuel "economy"

2005-11-18 Thread Marshall Booth
andrew strasfogel wrote: 1) timing chain and rails were replaced at 122K. Now I'm at 267K 2) Odometer was repaired once about 100K miles ago. 3) Valves were adjusted within the past 10K miles. Timing chain life is seldom LESS than 200kmi (should about be double that if you use Mobil synthet

Re: [MBZ] Absolutely pathetic fuel "economy"

2005-11-18 Thread andrew strasfogel
No. On 11/17/05, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Is it possible something is wrong with your fuel guage and you really > still have plenty of fuel left in it? > > andrew strasfogel wrote: > > > My 300TD has been getting progressively, steadily worsening fuel economy > > over the l

Re: [MBZ] Absolutely pathetic fuel "economy"

2005-11-18 Thread andrew strasfogel
1) timing chain and rails were replaced at 122K. Now I'm at 267K 2) Odometer was repaired once about 100K miles ago. 3) Valves were adjusted within the past 10K miles. On 11/17/05, Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > First, unless you've fixed it already, it's somewhat likely the > o

Re: [MBZ] Absolutely pathetic fuel "economy"

2005-11-18 Thread andrew strasfogel
I like that one best of all! Wouldn't it be great to blame it on the odometer. On 11/17/05, Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > don't forget to test the odo with a GPS or against mile markers on the > highway > > Chris > > Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: David Brodbeck wrote:

Re: [MBZ] Absolutely pathetic fuel "economy"

2005-11-18 Thread andrew strasfogel
Yes - that's EXACTLY trhe way I am doing it. On 11/17/05, David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > andrew strasfogel wrote: > > When I say the fuel economy s*cks, this means that whereas I used to > drive > > up to 380 miles before the reserve light came on, now it's exactly 100 > miles > > L

Re: [MBZ] Absolutely pathetic fuel "economy"

2005-11-18 Thread l02turner
ay, November 17, 2005 4:43 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Absolutely pathetic fuel "economy" Marshall Booth wrote: Tire pressure below the top end of the Mercedes recommendations can reduce fuel economy by 10-15%. Improperly adjusted valves can reduce it a little. I'm thinking that if he ha

Re: [MBZ] Absolutely pathetic fuel "economy"

2005-11-17 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Is it possible something is wrong with your fuel guage and you really still have plenty of fuel left in it? andrew strasfogel wrote: My 300TD has been getting progressively, steadily worsening fuel economy over the last few years. It runs fine, there are no fuel leaks to speak of, and I haven'

Re: [MBZ] Absolutely pathetic fuel "economy"

2005-11-17 Thread Peter Frederick
First, unless you've fixed it already, it's somewhat likely the odometer is slipping and not recording the milage correctly. Second, you very likely have a worn timing chain unless it's been replaced. Fix the odometer, replace the timing chain, do a valve adjust (or valve job if the valves a

Re: [MBZ] Absolutely pathetic fuel "economy"

2005-11-17 Thread l02turner
CTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Absolutely pathetic fuel "economy" Herr Doktor Booth schooled us as follows: " Your engine is NOT running "rich." With diesels there really is NO such thing (except at wide open "throttle" u

Re: [MBZ] Absolutely pathetic fuel "economy"

2005-11-17 Thread Christopher McCann
also makes it harder to collect ALL 5 high mileage awards - one of my life goals. Chris David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Another thought: VDO odometers have a tendency to develop cracks in the gears that make them stick or slip at certain points in the rotation. (I had one in a

Re: [MBZ] Absolutely pathetic fuel "economy"

2005-11-17 Thread David Brodbeck
Another thought: VDO odometers have a tendency to develop cracks in the gears that make them stick or slip at certain points in the rotation. (I had one in a VW that would stick briefly every time three tenths came around, for example.) This isn't always very noticeable if you aren't watching

Re: [MBZ] Absolutely pathetic fuel "economy"

2005-11-17 Thread Christopher McCann
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Re: [MBZ] Absolutely pathetic fuel "economy"

2005-11-17 Thread Marshall Booth
andrew strasfogel wrote: My 300TD has been getting progressively, steadily worsening fuel economy over the last few years. Different fuel supplies WILL result in differences as great as 20% in fuel economy. My 190D 2.5 turbo will deliver 33-36 mpg on BP/Amoco fuel, while MOST other brands I'

Re: [MBZ] Absolutely pathetic fuel "economy"

2005-11-17 Thread Christopher McCann
don't forget to test the odo with a GPS or against mile markers on the highway Chris Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: David Brodbeck wrote: > > The most accurate way to calculate fuel economy is as follows: > - Fill the tank until the pump shuts off. > - Drive. > - Refill the tank, pr

Re: [MBZ] Absolutely pathetic fuel "economy"

2005-11-17 Thread Rich Thomas
OK guys, it's time to start putting more fuel INTO Andrew's tank every few nights! HAHAHAHA, I don't care who you are, that right there is funny! --R andrew strasfogel wrote: My 300TD has been getting progressively, steadily worsening fuel economy over the last few years. It runs fine, there

Re: [MBZ] Absolutely pathetic fuel "economy"

2005-11-17 Thread Bob Rentfro
Herr Doktor Booth schooled us as follows: " Your engine is NOT running "rich." With diesels there really is NO such thing (except at wide open "throttle" under full load - and then there IS smoke). More fuel simply translates into the engine running faster - UNTIL you use up all the air and th

Re: [MBZ] Absolutely pathetic fuel "economy"

2005-11-17 Thread Mitch Haley
Marshall Booth wrote: > Tire pressure below the top > end of the Mercedes recommendations can reduce fuel economy by 10-15%. > Improperly adjusted valves can reduce it a little. I'm thinking that if he had a brake hose acting like a one-way valve it would have killed the pads a few times in the la

Re: [MBZ] Absolutely pathetic fuel "economy"

2005-11-17 Thread Marshall Booth
andrew strasfogel wrote: My 300TD has been getting progressively, steadily worsening fuel economy over the last few years. It runs fine, there are no fuel leaks to speak of, and I haven't changed my driving habits. I had been driving it in "2" at Marshall's recommendation, but thought this might

Re: [MBZ] Absolutely pathetic fuel "economy"

2005-11-17 Thread Mitch Haley
David Brodbeck wrote: > > The most accurate way to calculate fuel economy is as follows: > - Fill the tank until the pump shuts off. > - Drive. > - Refill the tank, preferably from the same pump, since the shutoff > point varies from pump to pump. I'd run it off a small tank under the hood, even

Re: [MBZ] Absolutely pathetic fuel "economy"

2005-11-17 Thread Christopher McCann
"Someone told me it was because they were using crappier gas at the stations." I have been secretely suspecting this myself since Katrina... Chris Levi Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I assume, you're actually calculating your mileage based on filling up the tank and doing the math of

Re: [MBZ] Absolutely pathetic fuel "economy"

2005-11-17 Thread David Brodbeck
andrew strasfogel wrote: When I say the fuel economy s*cks, this means that whereas I used to drive up to 380 miles before the reserve light came on, now it's exactly 100 miles LOWER when I hit reserve (under 300 miles). This translates to 18 or 19 mpg. I am beginning to feel ashamed that my DIE

Re: [MBZ] Absolutely pathetic fuel "economy"

2005-11-17 Thread Levi Smith
I assume, you're actually calculating your mileage based on filling up the tank and doing the math of miles driven to gallons of gas used and averaging your mileage over several tanks or more in a row? If you're simply going by the low fuel light, my first thought would be if your low fuel light i

[MBZ] Absolutely pathetic fuel "economy"

2005-11-17 Thread andrew strasfogel
My 300TD has been getting progressively, steadily worsening fuel economy over the last few years. It runs fine, there are no fuel leaks to speak of, and I haven't changed my driving habits. I had been driving it in "2" at Marshall's recommendation, but thought this might be causing the decline in f