Re: [MBZ] Another 116

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Roger, 
How cold? Below zero F a 61x engine gets iffy where a 60x has no problem. At 
-20F I've never had a 61x start unassisted although others have reported it can 
be done. I've never seen a 60x not start when cold except when my last 190D had 
water in the fuel. It started after a couple hours with a 100W light bulb next 
to the fuel filter...

CurtIt's a big country, cold is relative.

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  On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 9:46 AM, ROGER HALE via 
Mercedes wrote:   Curt, my 83 300D starts great in cold 
weather.  Now the 80 300SD is a little more picky, but then it has more miles 
and is older.  I read an MB technical article somewhere about the SD 617 
getting a few more HP because of the weight/size by making a slight head change 
that allows in a little more fuel and air to each cylinder.

And Kaleb, my 80SD has always been in the South, so only has one dime sized 
rust spot.  If you wash them underneath often and keep the drains clean, they 
don't tend to rust. 

Best Wishes,

Roger

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Re: [MBZ] Another 116

[ROGER HALE via Mercedes]

Curt, my 83 300D starts great in cold weather.  Now the 80 300SD is a little 
more picky, but then it has more miles and is older.  I read an MB technical 
article somewhere about the SD 617 getting a few more HP because of the 
weight/size by making a slight head change that allows in a little more fuel 
and air to each cylinder.

And Kaleb, my 80SD has always been in the South, so only has one dime sized 
rust spot.  If you wash them underneath often and keep the drains clean, they 
don't tend to rust. 

Best Wishes,

Roger

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Re: [MBZ] Another 116

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Best road car ever built.  Period.  Bar none.


Craig via Mercedes 
March 4, 2018 at 6:08 PM
On Sun, 4 Mar 2018 15:37:17 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"

So why would you recommend the 300SDL?


Craig


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Re: [MBZ] Another 116

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

And they don't need valve adjustments

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Mar 4, 2018 10:06 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> 116 with an OM602 turbo would be lovely. The 617 is venerable and tough
> and all that but the 60x engines start so much better in the cold and get
> better mileage...
> -Curt
>
>
> On Sunday, March 4, 2018, 7:32:50 PM EST, ROGER HALE via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>  Kaleb,
>
> >>A 126 is far superior for sure unless you just like the 116.<<
>
>
> Having owned a 116 for over 20 years,  I respectfully disagree on
> several counts.  The interior in the 126 tears and breaks down more than
> the 116.  The plastic around the sides hides rust and cheapens the look of
> a classic vehicle.  The front headlights/park lights look too Japanese.
> And having driven both, I and my butt would prefer a 116.  Now to agree
> with you, the mono valve is much better than the servo system.  Yes, I
> always yearned for a 300SDL, but was leary of some of the reported motor
> issues.  The extra room would have been welcomed by my long legs.
>
> I hope you find the car you want.  I tend to think it would be a newer
> year model.  By the way, my 116 still has the door on it that I got from
> you many years ago.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Roger
>
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Re: [MBZ] Another 116

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

116 with an OM602 turbo would be lovely. The 617 is venerable and tough and all 
that but the 60x engines start so much better in the cold and get better 
mileage...
-Curt
 

On Sunday, March 4, 2018, 7:32:50 PM EST, ROGER HALE via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Kaleb,

>>A 126 is far superior for sure unless you just like the 116.<<      

    Having owned a 116 for over 20 years,  I respectfully disagree on several 
counts.  The interior in the 126 tears and breaks down more than the 116.  The 
plastic around the sides hides rust and cheapens the look of a classic vehicle. 
 The front headlights/park lights look too Japanese.  And having driven both, I 
and my butt would prefer a 116.  Now to agree with you, the mono valve is much 
better than the servo system.  Yes, I always yearned for a 300SDL, but was 
leary of some of the reported motor issues.  The extra room would have been 
welcomed by my long legs.

    I hope you find the car you want.  I tend to think it would be a newer year 
model.  By the way, my 116 still has the door on it that I got from you many 
years ago.

Best wishes,

Roger

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Re: [MBZ] Another 116

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

1980 w116 is a 450 SE

81 was the 126  — 380 and 500 SE

clay 

1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers







> On Mar 4, 2018, at 6:07 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 81
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Mar 4, 2018, at 8:02 AM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> On Sun, 04 Mar 2018 08:05:53 -0500 Max Dillon via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Those are 126, not 116.
>> 
>> When was the transition to W126?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Another 116

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I love the 116. I hope to find a decent reasonable priced ‘80 at some point.  
They rust aweful bad though. 

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> On Mar 4, 2018, at 6:32 PM, ROGER HALE via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Kaleb,
> 
>>> A 126 is far superior for sure unless you just like the 116.<<  
> 
> Having owned a 116 for over 20 years,  I respectfully disagree on several 
> counts.  The interior in the 126 tears and breaks down more than the 116.  
> The plastic around the sides hides rust and cheapens the look of a classic 
> vehicle.  The front headlights/park lights look too Japanese.  And having 
> driven both, I and my butt would prefer a 116.  Now to agree with you, the 
> mono valve is much better than the servo system.  Yes, I always yearned for a 
> 300SDL, but was leary of some of the reported motor issues.  The extra room 
> would have been welcomed by my long legs.
> 
> I hope you find the car you want.  I tend to think it would be a newer 
> year model.  By the way, my 116 still has the door on it that I got from you 
> many years ago.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Roger
> 
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> Monroe, Ga.
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[MBZ] Another 116

[ROGER HALE via Mercedes]

Kaleb,

>>A 126 is far superior for sure unless you just like the 116.<<  

 Having owned a 116 for over 20 years,  I respectfully disagree on several 
counts.  The interior in the 126 tears and breaks down more than the 116.  The 
plastic around the sides hides rust and cheapens the look of a classic vehicle. 
 The front headlights/park lights look too Japanese.  And having driven both, I 
and my butt would prefer a 116.  Now to agree with you, the mono valve is much 
better than the servo system.  Yes, I always yearned for a 300SDL, but was 
leary of some of the reported motor issues.  The extra room would have been 
welcomed by my long legs.

 I hope you find the car you want.  I tend to think it would be a newer 
year model.  By the way, my 116 still has the door on it that I got from you 
many years ago.

Best wishes,

Roger

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Re: [MBZ] Another 116

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Over an earlier 617 powered 126? More power, about the same or better mileage, 
no valve adjustments needed, belt easier to mess with than the multiple belts 
on the 617, starts easier in cold weather, the car has updated trim that is 
nicer.

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> On Mar 4, 2018, at 6:08 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 4 Mar 2018 15:37:17 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>  wrote:
> 
>> If wanting a 126 I would highly recommend a 300SDL with the 603, unless
>> you are in love with the 617 for some reason.
> 
> So why would you recommend the 300SDL?
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Another 116

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sun, 4 Mar 2018 15:37:17 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> If wanting a 126 I would highly recommend a 300SDL with the 603, unless
> you are in love with the 617 for some reason.

So why would you recommend the 300SDL?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Another 116

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Sure that is a possibility but by now they have all pretty much been fixed. The 
original 14 heads are ok as long as you don’t get them hot, but that pretty 
much goes for any of the revisions either, don’t get them hot. My daily, well 
weekend, driver has a 14 head but Curley has it rebuilt I believe when he had 
it. 

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> On Mar 4, 2018, at 5:49 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 4 Mar 2018 15:37:17 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>  wrote:
> 
>> A 126 is far superior for sure unless you just like the 116. If wanting
>> a 126 I would highly recommend a 300SDL with the 603, unless you are in
>> love with the 617 for some reason.
> 
> Doesn't the 603 have the cylinder head problems?
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Another 116

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sun, 4 Mar 2018 15:37:17 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> A 126 is far superior for sure unless you just like the 116. If wanting
> a 126 I would highly recommend a 300SDL with the 603, unless you are in
> love with the 617 for some reason.

Doesn't the 603 have the cylinder head problems?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Another 116

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

A 126 is far superior for sure unless you just like the 116. If wanting a 126 I 
would highly recommend a 300SDL with the 603, unless you are in love with the 
617 for some reason.

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> On Mar 4, 2018, at 3:03 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 4 Mar 2018 10:58:33 -0500 (EST) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> 
>>> On March 4, 2018 at 12:31 AM Craig via Mercedes
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Farther away than the one Kaleb posted, but ...
>>> 
>>> https://farmington.craigslist.org/cto/d/1981-mercedes-benz-300sd/6491552594.html
>> 
>> You want a 116 or a 126?
> 
> A W126, I think.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Another 116

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sun, 4 Mar 2018 10:58:33 -0500 (EST) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
 wrote:

> 
> > On March 4, 2018 at 12:31 AM Craig via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Farther away than the one Kaleb posted, but ...
> > 
> > https://farmington.craigslist.org/cto/d/1981-mercedes-benz-300sd/6491552594.html
> 
> You want a 116 or a 126?

A W126, I think.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Another 116

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> On March 4, 2018 at 12:31 AM Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> 
> Farther away than the one Kaleb posted, but ...
> 
> https://farmington.craigslist.org/cto/d/1981-mercedes-benz-300sd/6491552594.html
> 
> 
> And then over in Arizona,
> 
> https://showlow.craigslist.org/cto/d/82-mercedes-300-sd/6504879184.html

You want a 116 or a 126?
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Another 116

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

81

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> On Mar 4, 2018, at 8:02 AM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 04 Mar 2018 08:05:53 -0500 Max Dillon via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> Those are 126, not 116.
> 
> When was the transition to W126?
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Another 116

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sun, 04 Mar 2018 08:05:53 -0500 Max Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Those are 126, not 116.

When was the transition to W126?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Another 116

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Those are 126, not 116.
-- 
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On March 4, 2018 12:31:24 AM EST, Craig via Mercedes  
wrote:
>Farther away than the one Kaleb posted, but ...
>
>https://farmington.craigslist.org/cto/d/1981-mercedes-benz-300sd/6491552594.html
>
>
>And then over in Arizona,
>
>https://showlow.craigslist.org/cto/d/82-mercedes-300-sd/6504879184.html
>
>
>Craig
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[MBZ] Another 116

[Craig via Mercedes]

Farther away than the one Kaleb posted, but ...

https://farmington.craigslist.org/cto/d/1981-mercedes-benz-300sd/6491552594.html


And then over in Arizona,

https://showlow.craigslist.org/cto/d/82-mercedes-300-sd/6504879184.html


Craig

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