Re: [MBZ] Bio Standby Hose Package-Rusty

2006-05-31 Thread ernest breakfield
BioD *is* different; in a good way. the flash point of BioD is listed in several places i found as ± 150°C as opposed to petroleum diesel at ± 70°C. it's unlikely that regular old #2 would even be a fire hazard in a leak, and with the even higher flash point of Biod it's extremely

Re: [MBZ] Bio Standby Hose Package-Rusty

2006-05-28 Thread Marshall Booth
Luther Gulseth wrote: Oh wow, it's a glorious day. I have the privilege of answering the question from Herr Doktor. The flash point of BioD is over 300o F. http://www.biodiesel.org/pdf_files/Envi&Safetyinfo.PDF Luther, a satisfied man Thanks Luther, and the link is a good one. Marshall

Re: [MBZ] Bio Standby Hose Package-Rusty

2006-05-28 Thread Luther Gulseth
Oh wow, it's a glorious day. I have the privilege of answering the question from Herr Doktor. The flash point of BioD is over 300o F. http://www.biodiesel.org/pdf_files/Envi&Safetyinfo.PDF Luther, a satisfied man Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > What's the flash point of bioD?

Re: [MBZ] Bio Standby Hose Package-Rusty

2006-05-27 Thread Marshall Booth
B Dike wrote: Everybody: I have been running various blends and formulations of biodiesel in my 4 diesels for a couple years now. Here's what I found: 1. New standard braided injector return lines can fail catastrophically in less than one year, spraying the engine compartment with fuel a

Re: [MBZ] Bio Standby Hose Package-Rusty

2006-05-27 Thread Levi Smith
To my knowledge vegetable oil needs to be at like 600F or higher before it might potentially ignite. So, I suppose it's possible on the turbo or something (Pretty sure an oil leak on the turbo/exhaust is what cause the fire on an old Impulse I had). Not sure what the temp is of diesel. A spark

Re: [MBZ] Bio Standby Hose Package-Rusty

2006-05-27 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Fri, 26 May 2006 20:45:45 -0700 (PDT) B Dike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes, you might smell the leak and pull over if one fails, but a family > member might not recognize the problem until a fire breaks out. One of the "advantages" of petroleum diesel is that it's not very flammable, so the

Re: [MBZ] Bio Standby Hose Package-Rusty

2006-05-27 Thread B Dike
Everybody: I have been running various blends and formulations of biodiesel in my 4 diesels for a couple years now. Here's what I found: 1. New standard braided injector return lines can fail catastrophically in less than one year, spraying the engine compartment with fuel and creating a

Re: [MBZ] Bio Standby Hose Package-Rusty

2006-05-25 Thread Marshall Booth
Levi Smith wrote: Exactly. I'm just saying that the fact remains that there IS a good chance you will find some new leaks when switching an old(er) engine to synthetic. I just saw "old wives tail" about synthetic leaking and I wanted to point out while chances are good that there WON'T be any pr

Re: [MBZ] Bio Standby Hose Package-Rusty

2006-05-25 Thread Levi Smith
Exactly. I'm just saying that the fact remains that there IS a good chance you will find some new leaks when switching an old(er) engine to synthetic. I just saw "old wives tail" about synthetic leaking and I wanted to point out while chances are good that there WON'T be any problems, it's defini

Re: [MBZ] Bio Standby Hose Package-Rusty

2006-05-25 Thread David Brodbeck
redghost wrote: I suspect that you should have all the fuel hoses ready to replace if you are taking your 20+ year old car and going BioD on it. The things are old and will fail one way or the other. At least this way you have the spare ready to replace the leaky ones. I thought every

Re: [MBZ] Bio Standby Hose Package-Rusty

2006-05-25 Thread Marshall Booth
Levi Smith wrote: As for the synthetic, it's all in how you look at it. I've experienced first-hand how synthetic "causes leaks". I switched to synthetic one weekend and then within an hour I had an oil feed line for the turbo that was spraying a stream of oil. Now, I don't think synthetic dug

Re: [MBZ] Bio Standby Hose Package-Rusty

2006-05-25 Thread redghost
I suspect that you should have all the fuel hoses ready to replace if you are taking your 20+ year old car and going BioD on it. The things are old and will fail one way or the other. At least this way you have the spare ready to replace the leaky ones. On Tuesday, May 23, 2006, at 01:44

Re: [MBZ] Bio Standby Hose Package-Rusty

2006-05-24 Thread John Berryman
On May 24, 2006, at 2:33 PM, Levi Smith wrote: I switched to synthetic one weekend and then within an hour I had an oil feed line for the turbo that was spraying a stream of oil. I would call that a coincidence, no way synthetic oil cleans anything that fast. Johnny B. I Mac Therefor

Re: [MBZ] Bio Standby Hose Package-Rusty

2006-05-24 Thread Levi Smith
Well, I'm not too worried about the rubber lines with bio. The other part I've heard is that there aren't many "rubber" lines that are made with "natural rubber" that are more susceptible to being eaten by bio. I certainly don't blame wvo for a leak I had on a worn out cracked and split return l

Re: [MBZ] Bio Standby Hose Package-Rusty

2006-05-24 Thread David Brodbeck
Bob Rentfro wrote: Is Viton the super secret good stuff? Viton has very good chemical-resistant properties. In my previous job at a carwash manufacturer we made heavy use of Viton seals for valves and fittings that carried soaps. A lot of the soaps contained D-Limonene, a powerful degre

Re: [MBZ] Bio Standby Hose Package-Rusty

2006-05-24 Thread Bob Rentfro
Good point, OK Don. Bob Rentfro - Original Message - From: "OK Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bio Standby Hose Package-Rusty As someone pointe

Re: [MBZ] Bio Standby Hose Package-Rusty

2006-05-24 Thread OK Don
As someone pointed out earlier - everyone (almost) running BioD is doing it in an old car - and most don't replace all the hoses before starting on the BioD. I suspect (NO Evidence) that most reports of leaking hoses caused by BioD are coincidental failures of old hoses. On 5/23/06, Levi Smith <[

Re: [MBZ] Bio Standby Hose Package-Rusty

2006-05-24 Thread Levi Smith
Yes. They will eventually deteriorate with biodiesel. Just like they will eventually deteriorate with regular diesel. Levi :) On 5/23/06, kevin kraly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I thought there were more hoses routinely effected. My assumption was that any rubber lines in the system, those tha

Re: [MBZ] Bio Standby Hose Package-Rusty

2006-05-24 Thread Marshall Booth
kevin kraly wrote: I thought there were more hoses routinely effected. My assumption was that any rubber lines in the system, those that are at both ends of the main metal fuel lines, would eventually deteriorate when using biodiesel. All of the fuel hoses WILL eventually deteriorate. Bio wi

Re: [MBZ] Bio Standby Hose Package-Rusty

2006-05-24 Thread kevin kraly
I thought there were more hoses routinely effected. My assumption was that any rubber lines in the system, those that are at both ends of the main metal fuel lines, would eventually deteriorate when using biodiesel. Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 1981 300CD 204Kmiles, Giesela

Re: [MBZ] Bio Standby Hose Package-Rusty

2006-05-23 Thread ernest breakfield
one of the reasons i specifically picked the 617.952 was for the tolerance attributed to the inline pump they use. while one local IP rebuilder sends his rebuilt units back with big warning tags prohibiting the use of BioD at the risk of invalidating his warranty, i'm not aware of anyone in the

Re: [MBZ] Bio Standby Hose Package-Rusty

2006-05-23 Thread Zeitgeist
I've been inside several inline MB pumps, and other than the delivery valve o-rings, there don't appear to be any rubber seals that come into direct contact with the fuel--fuel pump itself notwithstanding. Rotary distributor type pumps (think VW) are bathed and lubricated entirely by fuel, so I d

Re: [MBZ] Bio Standby Hose Package-Rusty

2006-05-23 Thread John Berryman
On May 23, 2006, at 5:10 PM, ernest breakfield wrote: many people i know using BioD over the last few years haven't changed theirs out at all. i haven't changed mine out yet, and i run almost exclusively B100; but i've only got about 30,000 miles on B100 so far,... ;-) cheers! e Wha

Re: [MBZ] Bio Standby Hose Package-Rusty

2006-05-23 Thread Marshall Booth
Zeitgeist wrote: Agreed, which is why I don't see much need to touch any of your other fuel lines...but, the return lines are subjected to a fair amount of heat, which I believe is the real culprit. I've personally observed return lines lasting no more than a year before becoming hard and brittl

Re: [MBZ] Bio Standby Hose Package-Rusty

2006-05-23 Thread Marshall Booth
Bob Rentfro wrote: Forgive me Kaleb...I'm double-posting this 'cause I'm not sure if rusty looks at the Bio list. Let's say someone (Rusty) was going to make a these-are-the-hoses-that-usually-need-replacing-at-some-point-when-you-start-running-bio kit. Which hoses would be included? It would

Re: [MBZ] Bio Standby Hose Package-Rusty

2006-05-23 Thread Zeitgeist
Agreed, which is why I don't see much need to touch any of your other fuel lines...but, the return lines are subjected to a fair amount of heat, which I believe is the real culprit. I've personally observed return lines lasting no more than a year before becoming hard and brittle to the point of

Re: [MBZ] Bio Standby Hose Package-Rusty

2006-05-23 Thread Bob Rentfro
Ahh...30K miles on B100..no leaks yet. I love emperical data. Bob Rentfro - Original Message - From: "ernest breakfield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bio S

Re: [MBZ] Bio Standby Hose Package-Rusty

2006-05-23 Thread ernest breakfield
Bob, FWIW, i think a lot of the concern over changing hoses to use BioD is somewhat overblown; i watch the fuel lines as i would on any vehicle that's decades old (as most of ours are), and will change them when i see signs that they need it. many people i know using BioD over the last few

Re: [MBZ] Bio Standby Hose Package-Rusty

2006-05-23 Thread Luther Gulseth
Original Message - > From: "Zeitgeist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 1:37 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bio Standby Hose Package-Rusty > > > > Injector fuel return hose

Re: [MBZ] Bio Standby Hose Package-Rusty

2006-05-23 Thread Zeitgeist
- From: "Zeitgeist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bio Standby Hose Package-Rusty > It would be worth it, if Rusty were to offer Viton return lines, > specifically for ru

Re: [MBZ] Bio Standby Hose Package-Rusty

2006-05-23 Thread Bob Rentfro
Is Viton the super secret good stuff? Is replacing stock hoses with Viton a good idea? Bob Rentfro - Original Message - From: "Zeitgeist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 1:56 PM Sub

Re: [MBZ] Bio Standby Hose Package-Rusty

2006-05-23 Thread Zeitgeist
It would be worth it, if Rusty were to offer Viton return lines, specifically for running bio. Otherwise, he already offers OEM fuel return line "kits". On 5/23/06, Bob Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If the injector return hoses are the only ones, then that is hardly worth making a package

Re: [MBZ] Bio Standby Hose Package-Rusty

2006-05-23 Thread Bob Rentfro
ROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bio Standby Hose Package-Rusty Injector fuel return hoses are the only ones that consistently give people trouble. Apparently it's the combination of heat and bio that overwhelms them. On 5/23/06, Bob Rentfro <[EMA

Re: [MBZ] Bio Standby Hose Package-Rusty

2006-05-23 Thread Rusty Cullens
Let me know all the hoses and I'll make a package. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Rentfro Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 4:32 PM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: [MBZ] Bio Standby Hose Package-Rusty Forgive me Kaleb...I

[MBZ] Bio Standby Hose Package-Rusty

2006-05-23 Thread Bob Rentfro
-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Co