Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 19:47:28 -0500
From: Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com
Where does it say that distillation is allowed. Well here in the US.
Manfred
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
IIRC, you are allowed to make up to 400 gallons of alternative
fuel without
My bad. There was a bill in Congress to legalize it. I guess it didn't pass.
http://www.ttb.gov/faqs/genalcohol.shtml
http://www.ttb.gov/spirits/faq.shtml#s7
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:28:./temp/~bdrc4s::
Rick
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 19:47:28 -0500
From: Rick Knoble
I agree that if you have the time to, and interest in maintaining an older
car like the 123s and 124s, etc., that's the most economical route.
However, my interests are changing from cars to aircraft, and I don't want
to be spending time working on a car that I can be spending on the
airplane(s?).
, 17 Apr 2012 20:49:38 -0600
From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
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On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 21:42:04 -0500 OK Don okd
With the exception of an electric (dang theres a lot of them now) I'd
say just about ANY car on the market today could make 150-200k with
minimal serious issues other than tinworm.
Computer crap-out? That's plenty serious, likely, and it
will be _the_ 'irreplacable part' that sends most to
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On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 21:42:04 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:
If you were thinking about buying a new car
On 18/04/2012 8:00 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:
I think the 150k-200k car is pretty realistic from most new vehicles today.
I have two Ford Focii (Focuses?) that are above 150k, a 2004 and a 2005.
The 2005 has nearly 165k on it, and despite needing a few minor items and being
a little rattly, runs
Which is why I'm leaning towards a new one - I know what I do to them, how
I maintained them, etc. That reduces the work needing to be done during the
cars lifetime. It is a consumable item, not an investment, but they're
priced like investments! My observations of other's cars has been that the
I can't say I baby my car, but it's pretty tough to drive a 4 cylinder car
hard, I think.
Dan
On Apr 18, 2012, at 11:51 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:
On 18/04/2012 8:00 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:
I think the 150k-200k car is pretty realistic from most new vehicles today.
I have
from
a trash to energy plant, the ash gets everywhere.
-Curt
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 05:53:45 -0700
From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
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While there will always be beaters and lemons, I would suggest that it all
comes down to how well cared for the vehicle is. If the owner
OK Don wrote:
If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to
keep it for the next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think
would be more readily available in the last five years of
ownership, and why?
Diesel is used in planes, train, ships, trucks, and tractors.
In my opinion,
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Which is why I'm leaning towards a new one - I know
If you were thinking about running alternate fuels in your new diesel - don't.
You cannot use any concentration of biodiesel in 2007 and later diesels unless
you hollow out the particulate filter and modify the ECU to disable the purge
cycle. I'm thinking that's probably a felony, although
Not to mention using untaxed fuel is cheating your fellow Americans.
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Dave Walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote:
If you were thinking about running alternate fuels in your new diesel -
don't.
You cannot use any concentration of biodiesel in 2007 and later
Not paying your fair share are you?? ... I'm ridden with guilt... yours,
not mine, that is..
If you buy biodiesel at any pump as blended fuel tax has been paid, and you
will pay that tax. If you make your own, be sure to report yourself and
spend the next 5 lifetimes being investigated by every 3
Well technically you are paying sales tax on the purchase of the materials used
to make BD- vegetable oil, methanol and lye.
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On Apr 18, 2012, at 2:30 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote:
Not to mention using untaxed fuel is cheating your fellow Americans.
On
OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:
If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for
the
next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily
available
in the last five years of ownership, and why?
Gas. Both will be sold, probably add natural gas to that list. I
I was referring to the people who make their own.
In some states the fuel tax goes directly to the highway fund and that is
the only source of the state highway fund. If you have a problem paying
fuel taxes, don't drive.
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Max meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote:
Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com writes:
Well technically you are paying sales tax on the purchase of the
materials used to make BD- vegetable oil, methanol and lye.
But not the road tax.
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1979 300SD
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I need to come out and see your new place sometime.
On 4/18/2012 7:41 AM, OK Don wrote:
I agree that if you have the time to, and interest in maintaining an older
car like the 123s and 124s, etc., that's the most economical route.
However, my interests are changing from cars to aircraft, and I
Then don't buy an electric or a hybrid. Those are cheating the system too.
In fact, buying any high MPG vehicle means you are not paying your fair share
of road tax.
-Dave Walton
On Apr 18, 2012, at 2:30 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote:
Not to mention using untaxed fuel is
True.
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On Apr 18, 2012, at 7:09 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote:
Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com writes:
Well technically you are paying sales tax on the purchase of the
materials used to make BD- vegetable oil, methanol and lye.
But not the road tax.
We should all buy a big suv
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On Apr 18, 2012, at 6:20 PM, Dave Walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote:
Then don't buy an electric or a hybrid. Those are cheating the system too.
In fact, buying any high MPG vehicle means you are not paying your fair share
of road tax.
They should make all electric vehicles pay their fuel tax based on the
mileage driven.
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote:
We should all buy a big suv
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On Apr 18, 2012, at 6:20 PM, Dave Walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote:
Then
Ha. That is an excellent point!
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On Apr 18, 2012, at 7:20 PM, Dave Walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote:
Then don't buy an electric or a hybrid. Those are cheating the system too.
In fact, buying any high MPG vehicle means you are not paying your fair share
of road tax.
And those who ride bicycles and use the road? Shouldn't they be subjected to a
road tax?
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On Apr 18, 2012, at 7:20 PM, Dave Walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote:
Then don't buy an electric or a hybrid. Those are cheating the system too.
In fact, buying any high MPG vehicle
In some places bicycles need to be registered.
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.comwrote:
And those who ride bicycles and use the road? Shouldn't they be subjected
to a road tax?
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On Apr 18, 2012, at 7:20 PM, Dave Walton
True but they don't pay a road tax.
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On Apr 18, 2012, at 7:37 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote:
In some places bicycles need to be registered.
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.comwrote:
And those who ride bicycles and use
...and it should be against the law for middle aged men to wear lycra.
Hendrik
who does NOT wear lycra
On 19/04/12 09:07, Brian Toscano wrote:
In some places bicycles need to be registered.
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Yeah but middle aged women might like seeing middle aged men in Lycra:)
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On Apr 18, 2012, at 7:49 PM, Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au wrote:
...and it should be against the law for middle aged men to wear lycra.
Hendrik
who does NOT wear lycra
On 19/04/12 09:07, Brian
The registration money may be funneled to the DOT. It really all depends
on how the state funds its roads, bridges, and overall transportation
system.
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 5:47 PM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.comwrote:
True but they don't pay a road tax.
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On
Dave Walton walton.d...@gmail.com writes:
Then don't buy an electric or a hybrid. Those are cheating the system
too.
This will have to be addressed if/when plug-in electric vehicles begin
to register in the total percentage of vehicles on the road. Now and
for the foreseeable future there
On Apr 18, 2012, at 7:34 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote:
you will have to pay based on miles driven.
They already floated a trial ballon, saying we will each have a GPS device in
our cars to track miles driven.
On Apr 18, 2012, at 2:30 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote:
Not to mention using untaxed fuel is cheating your fellow Americans.
IIRC, you are allowed to make up to 400 gallons of alternative fuel without
paying road taxes. Kind of like you can brew or distill 200 gallons of
Yikees.
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On Apr 18, 2012, at 8:42 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Apr 18, 2012, at 7:34 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote:
you will have to pay based on miles driven.
They already floated a trial ballon, saying we will each have a GPS device in
The people who make their own biodiesel would be better off if they didn't
advertise it is a way to avoid fuel taxes It may not be their primary
reason, but it sets a bad precedent. I didn't buy fuel efficient vehicles
to avoid fuel taxes, I did it to save money on fuel.
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012
Ten years ago, electric cars prepaid a lifetime's worth* of road tax upon
registration as an EV, in many states.
*vehicle lifetime, I remember seeing $2000 somewhere.
Not sure how that works now that they are available commercially, probably
rolls into the note unless states wrote in exemptions.
Then don't buy an electric or a hybrid. Those are cheating the system too.
In fact, buying any high MPG vehicle means you are not paying your
fair share of road tax.
-Dave Walton
nobody is stopping the pious owners from sending in extra tax money
voluntarily.
I have not heard of any of
To be honest, I'm willing to put up with GPS tracking. Too many dicks don't
think about their bad driving until they kill someone and have to act
remorseful in front of a judge. Too often they don't kill themselves in the
process.
When my niece and nephews start driving I'm signing them up for
Yes you do --- I might even have a car or two to sell to you --
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 6:15 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote:
I need to come out and see your new place sometime.
On 4/18/2012 7:41 AM, OK Don wrote:
I agree that if you have the time to, and interest in
I wear lycra, or as one idiot in a letter to the editor in the paper
said, full European cycling gear.
I think those who find it somehow disturbing are just jealous they
cannot look so svelte and bulging in all the proper places.
--R
On 4/18/12 7:49 PM, Hendrik Fay wrote:
...and it should
I'd rather have a mileage reading. I think people who want to avoid
government tracking their vehicle movements should have the option.
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 8:02 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes you do --- I might even have a car or two to sell to you --
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at
I think the government should track our bowel movements too.
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On Apr 18, 2012, at 10:12 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote:
I'd rather have a mileage reading. I think people who want to avoid
government tracking their vehicle movements should have the option.
Ok Mr Sveltinbulgin, I want to take up cycling again. I'm a bit too embarrased
to do the bulgin Lycra thing so what other options do I have?
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On Apr 18, 2012, at 10:05 PM, Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
I wear lycra, or as one idiot in a letter to
That whole taxing based on mile readings is a waste of time, they do
that in NZ for Diesel powered cars and funnily enough a lot of Diesel
drivers have a wee little switch hidden away.
That is why the proposal is for a basic GPS which records miles travelled.
However I cannot ever see that
Ok Mr Sveltinbulgin, I want to take up cycling again. I'm a bit too
embarrased to do the bulgin Lycra thing so what other options do I
have?
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I seem to remember riding a bike with blue jeans and a t shirt.
Also worked for:
riding a motorcycle
driving a car
driving a
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Naked_Bike_Ride (warning, contains
images of people without clothing)
That might be the go for you?
Alternatively a normal pair of shorts or tracksuit pants should do the job.
Me thinks that the reason pro riders wear lycra is to cut down wind
resistance,
DUDE, nobody wants to see that stuff!
It would be like looking at all the stuffed sausage creatures at wally world.
clay
On Apr 18, 2012, at 4:53 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
Yeah but middle aged women might like seeing middle aged men in Lycra:)
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On Apr 18,
If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for the
next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily available
in the last five years of ownership, and why?
Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year? A
current C class?
--
OK Don
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 21:42:04 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:
If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for
the next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily
available in the last five years of ownership, and why?
You can always make
I doubt a VW would be that cost effective after 10-12 years.
An E might.
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 21:42:04 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:
If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for
the next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily
available
Both diesel and gasoline as vehicle fuel will be with us for at least
another half-century, no alternatives are anywhere close to scale to
replace them.
Allan
Craig diese...@pisquared.net writes:
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 21:42:04 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:
If you were thinking about
The last VW I owned was really starting to come to pieces at about 10
years. It WAS a good car for that time, but do not see one lasting like
a W123 can. Of course I would say that about ANY modern car.
Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com writes:
I doubt a VW would be that cost effective after
I have been happy with the dodge van. I got it 5 years ago with 110k
on it. It needed plugs and wires, and a seal rejuvenator in the
engine. I replaced the pass window switch, Other than that it has
been oil and filters, trans fluid/filter, tars, the usual stuff.
I have put 120k on it.
On Apr 17, 2012, at 9:42 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:
If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for the
next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily available
in the last five years of ownership, and why?
Both should be available, but by then
I fully expect to be still driving one of my 300D's 20 years from now. In
20 yrs. I'll be 85, just to be sure, I think I'll stockpile a second car up
on blocks so when the one I'm driving fails and I'm to old and frail to fix
it but can still drive, I'll take the spare out and drive that one...
Over 20 years the overall vehicle comes more into question than the fuel it
uses. If you're only driving 10,000 miles a year the fuel cost would not
be a major concern. Both will be available. The world will not run out
of oil at some moment in time.
On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 11:43 PM, G Mann
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