Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 19:47:28 -0500 From: Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com Where does it say that distillation is allowed. Well here in the US. Manfred Subject: Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas? IIRC, you are allowed to make up to 400 gallons of alternative fuel without paying road taxes. Kind of like you can brew or distill 200 gallons of your favorite ethanol based beverage for personal consumption without paying taxes on it. Rick Who no longer drinks ethanol based beverages. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
My bad. There was a bill in Congress to legalize it. I guess it didn't pass. http://www.ttb.gov/faqs/genalcohol.shtml http://www.ttb.gov/spirits/faq.shtml#s7 http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:28:./temp/~bdrc4s:: Rick Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 19:47:28 -0500 From: Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com Where does it say that distillation is allowed. Well here in the US. Manfred ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
I agree that if you have the time to, and interest in maintaining an older car like the 123s and 124s, etc., that's the most economical route. However, my interests are changing from cars to aircraft, and I don't want to be spending time working on a car that I can be spending on the airplane(s?). Looking back, I've spent the least, both dollars and time, maintaining the two cars we bought new - a 1974 Opel Manta, and the 1997 Plymouth van. Hence, my interest in blowing a large sum of money on a new car. I just want it to be the last one :-) In 20 years I'll be in my 80's, so it will be getting time to let others drive me around :-) The cheap basturd in me makes it real hard to pay doulbe the price for a new MB vs a VW, and why is an E class that much better than a C class? I see the gas engines lasting just as long as the Diesels now, and the fuel economy is nearly the same for both with the current direct injection ga engines. I hate that you can't buy a Diesel 4-matic C class here! On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 12:57 AM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.comwrote: Over 20 years the overall vehicle comes more into question than the fuel it uses. If you're only driving 10,000 miles a year the fuel cost would not be a major concern. Both will be available. The world will not run out of oil at some moment in time. On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 11:43 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: I fully expect to be still driving one of my 300D's 20 years from now. In 20 yrs. I'll be 85, just to be sure, I think I'll stockpile a second car up on blocks so when the one I'm driving fails and I'm to old and frail to fix it but can still drive, I'll take the spare out and drive that one... why not? Diesel will run on a pretty wide range of fuels that don't all have to come from the system, so it's my choice. That might not work for you... or it might. The older design with nothing computer is more resilient I believe, it's already gone for 35 years and millions of miles... For the price of a new car, I can buy a fleet of 300SD's ... keep Q in business, stockpile spares, make them near perfect, and use them for next 20 yrs... so what if they don't get 50 mpg... I'm still money ahead at 30 mpg and the older car Granted I don't have to deal with rust issues here in the west. Your mileage may vary... Grant... AZ On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 10:03 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: On Apr 17, 2012, at 9:42 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for the next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily available in the last five years of ownership, and why? Both should be available, but by then diesel may be more prevalent. The air, railroad, and trucking industries all rely on diesel fuel (jet a is similar) and those industries are not likely to die off any time soon. 50 mpg + vehicles fueled by diesel are the norm in Europe and when fuel hits over $7 per gallon here in the next few years, automakers will be forced by public outcry to produce more efficient vehicles. Since they already exist in Europe, they will be diesels. Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year? Probably not. My friend bought a 2003 new and it has about 250 k miles on it and it is pretty much used up. A current C class? Possibly, with proper maintenance. I expect an E class bluetec would fit the ticket nicely. They are not inexpensive, but quality usually isn't. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
With the exception of an electric (dang theres a lot of them now) I'd say just about ANY car on the market today could make 150-200k with minimal serious issues other than tinworm. I also don't expect our fueling choices to change much from current in the next 15-20 years... -Curt Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 20:49:38 -0600 From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas? Message-ID: 20120417204938.7c27af1d.diese...@pisquared.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 21:42:04 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for the next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily available in the last five years of ownership, and why? You can always make biodiesel Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year? A current C class? In other words, would they go 150,000 - 200,000 miles. Good question; I don't know. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
With the exception of an electric (dang theres a lot of them now) I'd say just about ANY car on the market today could make 150-200k with minimal serious issues other than tinworm. Computer crap-out? That's plenty serious, likely, and it will be _the_ 'irreplacable part' that sends most to the crusher. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
I think the 150k-200k car is pretty realistic from most new vehicles today. I have two Ford Focii (Focuses?) that are above 150k, a 2004 and a 2005. The 2005 has nearly 165k on it, and despite needing a few minor items and being a little rattly, runs just fine. The 2004, which is my car, just turned 150k and has no issues at all. Other than a rear wheel bearing, which I probably did, it hasn't cost me a dime other than for normal scheduled maintenance and tires. It is still a very solid car that I would get in and drive anywhere. While there will always be beaters and lemons, I would suggest that it all comes down to how well cared for the vehicle is. If the owner doesn't take care of it, the car might not even see 100k miles. Dan On Apr 18, 2012, at 8:50 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: With the exception of an electric (dang theres a lot of them now) I'd say just about ANY car on the market today could make 150-200k with minimal serious issues other than tinworm. I also don't expect our fueling choices to change much from current in the next 15-20 years... -Curt Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 20:49:38 -0600 From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas? Message-ID: 20120417204938.7c27af1d.diese...@pisquared.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 21:42:04 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for the next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily available in the last five years of ownership, and why? You can always make biodiesel Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year? A current C class? In other words, would they go 150,000 - 200,000 miles. Good question; I don't know. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
On 18/04/2012 8:00 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: I think the 150k-200k car is pretty realistic from most new vehicles today. I have two Ford Focii (Focuses?) that are above 150k, a 2004 and a 2005. The 2005 has nearly 165k on it, and despite needing a few minor items and being a little rattly, runs just fine. The 2004, which is my car, just turned 150k and has no issues at all. Other than a rear wheel bearing, which I probably did, it hasn't cost me a dime other than for normal scheduled maintenance and tires. It is still a very solid car that I would get in and drive anywhere. While there will always be beaters and lemons, I would suggest that it all comes down to how well cared for the vehicle is. If the owner doesn't take care of it, the car might not even see 100k miles. Dan I suggest it also depends to a great extent, on how hard one drives it. I am not suggesting that one must baby a vehicle all of the time, but I do see people driving who, to me at least, appear to be abusing their vehicles. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
Which is why I'm leaning towards a new one - I know what I do to them, how I maintained them, etc. That reduces the work needing to be done during the cars lifetime. It is a consumable item, not an investment, but they're priced like investments! My observations of other's cars has been that the ordinary cars (yes, my MB bigotry is showing) have good drive trains for the most part, but the bodies fall apart starting around 100k miles. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 18/04/2012 8:00 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: I think the 150k-200k car is pretty realistic from most new vehicles today. I have two Ford Focii (Focuses?) that are above 150k, a 2004 and a 2005. The 2005 has nearly 165k on it, and despite needing a few minor items and being a little rattly, runs just fine. The 2004, which is my car, just turned 150k and has no issues at all. Other than a rear wheel bearing, which I probably did, it hasn't cost me a dime other than for normal scheduled maintenance and tires. It is still a very solid car that I would get in and drive anywhere. While there will always be beaters and lemons, I would suggest that it all comes down to how well cared for the vehicle is. If the owner doesn't take care of it, the car might not even see 100k miles. Dan I suggest it also depends to a great extent, on how hard one drives it. I am not suggesting that one must baby a vehicle all of the time, but I do see people driving who, to me at least, appear to be abusing their vehicles. Randy __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
I can't say I baby my car, but it's pretty tough to drive a 4 cylinder car hard, I think. Dan On Apr 18, 2012, at 11:51 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 18/04/2012 8:00 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: I think the 150k-200k car is pretty realistic from most new vehicles today. I have two Ford Focii (Focuses?) that are above 150k, a 2004 and a 2005. The 2005 has nearly 165k on it, and despite needing a few minor items and being a little rattly, runs just fine. The 2004, which is my car, just turned 150k and has no issues at all. Other than a rear wheel bearing, which I probably did, it hasn't cost me a dime other than for normal scheduled maintenance and tires. It is still a very solid car that I would get in and drive anywhere. While there will always be beaters and lemons, I would suggest that it all comes down to how well cared for the vehicle is. If the owner doesn't take care of it, the car might not even see 100k miles. Dan I suggest it also depends to a great extent, on how hard one drives it. I am not suggesting that one must baby a vehicle all of the time, but I do see people driving who, to me at least, appear to be abusing their vehicles. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
It doesn't seem to happen though, at least not on lower end vehicles that I experience. My '96 Dakota had 222,000 when the tin worm got so bad I got rid of it. Dad's got a Jeep Liberty that has 160,000 on it now and I have to admit has been a pretty good vehicle although I still don't like it. My Ranger only has 80,000 but its going on 9 years old now... We work our vehicles too, Dad's Jeep goes offroad every single day pretty much. He's a landfill manager and makes the trek around the landfill every morning at least. The interior of his jeep is disgusting, his landfill is full of ash from a trash to energy plant, the ash gets everywhere. -Curt Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 05:53:45 -0700 From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas? Message-ID: 888a737b-8955-11e1-98a0-000502d9a...@windwireless.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed With the exception of an electric (dang theres a lot of them now) I'd say just about ANY car on the market today could make 150-200k with minimal serious issues other than tinworm. Computer crap-out? That's plenty serious, likely, and it will be _the_ 'irreplacable part' that sends most to the crusher. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
Sure, but I'd still argue any car of today even with ZERO maintenance (just put in gas and drive) would last 50-60k where one from 40 years ago MIGHT have made 10k. -Curt Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:00:00 -0400 From: Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas? Message-ID: 7d6b5c1b-5a04-428a-abd1-0d4762c9b...@yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii While there will always be beaters and lemons, I would suggest that it all comes down to how well cared for the vehicle is. If the owner doesn't take care of it, the car might not even see 100k miles. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
OK Don wrote: If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for the next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily available in the last five years of ownership, and why? Diesel is used in planes, train, ships, trucks, and tractors. In my opinion, diesel will be available so long as fuel is available. Gasoline is used by automobiles and lawnmowers - thus is quite subject to fads. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
Incorrect measurement, bodies start to fall apart at 8-10 YEARS. Miles makes no difference to the body. Even then how you take care of it will make more difference. Undercoat with used motor oil and the vehicle will last much longer. -Curt Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 11:16:58 -0500 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas? Message-ID: canzcij8gfzebydna9zx50oras_jrccn76miouwdakix_mro...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Which is why I'm leaning towards a new one - I know what I do to them, how I maintained them, etc. That reduces the work needing to be done during the cars lifetime. It is a consumable item, not an investment, but they're priced like investments! My observations of other's cars has been that the ordinary cars (yes, my MB bigotry is showing) have good drive trains for the most part, but the bodies fall apart starting around 100k miles. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
If you were thinking about running alternate fuels in your new diesel - don't. You cannot use any concentration of biodiesel in 2007 and later diesels unless you hollow out the particulate filter and modify the ECU to disable the purge cycle. I'm thinking that's probably a felony, although kits to do just that are available for the V-10 Touareg. As far as I know, all current models are still injecting fuel during the exhaust stroke to burn off crud in the filter. If that's not the case - for any make and models - please let me know. Biodiesel tends not to vaporize completely, migrate around the rings, drip into the oil pan, and polymerize the engine oil turning it into a solid. I've been running WVO and biodiesel for over a decade and I am an alternate fuel advocate. But you need to use the appropriate vehicle. Even if the manufacturer of an exhaust stroke injection system says you can run 5-10% biofuel, I would not - assuming you want to keep the vehicle after the warranty expires. -Dave Walton On Apr 17, 2012, at 10:42 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for the next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily available in the last five years of ownership, and why? Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year? A current C class? -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
Not to mention using untaxed fuel is cheating your fellow Americans. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Dave Walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about running alternate fuels in your new diesel - don't. You cannot use any concentration of biodiesel in 2007 and later diesels unless you hollow out the particulate filter and modify the ECU to disable the purge cycle. I'm thinking that's probably a felony, although kits to do just that are available for the V-10 Touareg. As far as I know, all current models are still injecting fuel during the exhaust stroke to burn off crud in the filter. If that's not the case - for any make and models - please let me know. Biodiesel tends not to vaporize completely, migrate around the rings, drip into the oil pan, and polymerize the engine oil turning it into a solid. I've been running WVO and biodiesel for over a decade and I am an alternate fuel advocate. But you need to use the appropriate vehicle. Even if the manufacturer of an exhaust stroke injection system says you can run 5-10% biofuel, I would not - assuming you want to keep the vehicle after the warranty expires. -Dave Walton On Apr 17, 2012, at 10:42 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for the next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily available in the last five years of ownership, and why? Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year? A current C class? -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
Not paying your fair share are you?? ... I'm ridden with guilt... yours, not mine, that is.. If you buy biodiesel at any pump as blended fuel tax has been paid, and you will pay that tax. If you make your own, be sure to report yourself and spend the next 5 lifetimes being investigated by every 3 letter agency known to government, including Department of Defense. Save the Whales has come to mean, protect those who shop at WalMart... or in Congress... Frankly Scarlet... I don't give a damn if taxes are paid or not. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.comwrote: Not to mention using untaxed fuel is cheating your fellow Americans. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Dave Walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about running alternate fuels in your new diesel - don't. You cannot use any concentration of biodiesel in 2007 and later diesels unless you hollow out the particulate filter and modify the ECU to disable the purge cycle. I'm thinking that's probably a felony, although kits to do just that are available for the V-10 Touareg. As far as I know, all current models are still injecting fuel during the exhaust stroke to burn off crud in the filter. If that's not the case - for any make and models - please let me know. Biodiesel tends not to vaporize completely, migrate around the rings, drip into the oil pan, and polymerize the engine oil turning it into a solid. I've been running WVO and biodiesel for over a decade and I am an alternate fuel advocate. But you need to use the appropriate vehicle. Even if the manufacturer of an exhaust stroke injection system says you can run 5-10% biofuel, I would not - assuming you want to keep the vehicle after the warranty expires. -Dave Walton On Apr 17, 2012, at 10:42 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for the next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily available in the last five years of ownership, and why? Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year? A current C class? -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
Well technically you are paying sales tax on the purchase of the materials used to make BD- vegetable oil, methanol and lye. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2012, at 2:30 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Not to mention using untaxed fuel is cheating your fellow Americans. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Dave Walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about running alternate fuels in your new diesel - don't. You cannot use any concentration of biodiesel in 2007 and later diesels unless you hollow out the particulate filter and modify the ECU to disable the purge cycle. I'm thinking that's probably a felony, although kits to do just that are available for the V-10 Touareg. As far as I know, all current models are still injecting fuel during the exhaust stroke to burn off crud in the filter. If that's not the case - for any make and models - please let me know. Biodiesel tends not to vaporize completely, migrate around the rings, drip into the oil pan, and polymerize the engine oil turning it into a solid. I've been running WVO and biodiesel for over a decade and I am an alternate fuel advocate. But you need to use the appropriate vehicle. Even if the manufacturer of an exhaust stroke injection system says you can run 5-10% biofuel, I would not - assuming you want to keep the vehicle after the warranty expires. -Dave Walton On Apr 17, 2012, at 10:42 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for the next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily available in the last five years of ownership, and why? Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year? A current C class? -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for the next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily available in the last five years of ownership, and why? Gas. Both will be sold, probably add natural gas to that list. I think gasoline's dominance won't change, but diesel will gain some. Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year? A current C class? Any new car is capable of that. Real question is which one would you prefer to drive for twenty years. I'd take the Benz. -Max -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
I was referring to the people who make their own. In some states the fuel tax goes directly to the highway fund and that is the only source of the state highway fund. If you have a problem paying fuel taxes, don't drive. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Max meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for the next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily available in the last five years of ownership, and why? Gas. Both will be sold, probably add natural gas to that list. I think gasoline's dominance won't change, but diesel will gain some. Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year? A current C class? Any new car is capable of that. Real question is which one would you prefer to drive for twenty years. I'd take the Benz. -Max -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com writes: Well technically you are paying sales tax on the purchase of the materials used to make BD- vegetable oil, methanol and lye. But not the road tax. -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
I need to come out and see your new place sometime. On 4/18/2012 7:41 AM, OK Don wrote: I agree that if you have the time to, and interest in maintaining an older car like the 123s and 124s, etc., that's the most economical route. However, my interests are changing from cars to aircraft, and I don't want to be spending time working on a car that I can be spending on the airplane(s?). Looking back, I've spent the least, both dollars and time, maintaining the two cars we bought new - a 1974 Opel Manta, and the 1997 Plymouth van. Hence, my interest in blowing a large sum of money on a new car. I just want it to be the last one :-) In 20 years I'll be in my 80's, so it will be getting time to let others drive me around :-) The cheap basturd in me makes it real hard to pay doulbe the price for a new MB vs a VW, and why is an E class that much better than a C class? I see the gas engines lasting just as long as the Diesels now, and the fuel economy is nearly the same for both with the current direct injection ga engines. I hate that you can't buy a Diesel 4-matic C class here! On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 12:57 AM, Brian Toscanobrian.tosc...@gmail.comwrote: Over 20 years the overall vehicle comes more into question than the fuel it uses. If you're only driving 10,000 miles a year the fuel cost would not be a major concern. Both will be available. The world will not run out of oil at some moment in time. On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 11:43 PM, G Manng2ma...@gmail.com wrote: I fully expect to be still driving one of my 300D's 20 years from now. In 20 yrs. I'll be 85, just to be sure, I think I'll stockpile a second car up on blocks so when the one I'm driving fails and I'm to old and frail to fix it but can still drive, I'll take the spare out and drive that one... why not? Diesel will run on a pretty wide range of fuels that don't all have to come from the system, so it's my choice. That might not work for you... or it might. The older design with nothing computer is more resilient I believe, it's already gone for 35 years and millions of miles... For the price of a new car, I can buy a fleet of 300SD's ... keep Q in business, stockpile spares, make them near perfect, and use them for next 20 yrs... so what if they don't get 50 mpg... I'm still money ahead at 30 mpg and the older car Granted I don't have to deal with rust issues here in the west. Your mileage may vary... Grant... AZ On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 10:03 PM, Rick Knoblerickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: On Apr 17, 2012, at 9:42 PM, OK Donokd...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for the next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily available in the last five years of ownership, and why? Both should be available, but by then diesel may be more prevalent. The air, railroad, and trucking industries all rely on diesel fuel (jet a is similar) and those industries are not likely to die off any time soon. 50 mpg + vehicles fueled by diesel are the norm in Europe and when fuel hits over $7 per gallon here in the next few years, automakers will be forced by public outcry to produce more efficient vehicles. Since they already exist in Europe, they will be diesels. Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year? Probably not. My friend bought a 2003 new and it has about 250 k miles on it and it is pretty much used up. A current C class? Possibly, with proper maintenance. I expect an E class bluetec would fit the ticket nicely. They are not inexpensive, but quality usually isn't. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
Then don't buy an electric or a hybrid. Those are cheating the system too. In fact, buying any high MPG vehicle means you are not paying your fair share of road tax. -Dave Walton On Apr 18, 2012, at 2:30 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Not to mention using untaxed fuel is cheating your fellow Americans. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Dave Walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about running alternate fuels in your new diesel - don't. You cannot use any concentration of biodiesel in 2007 and later diesels unless you hollow out the particulate filter and modify the ECU to disable the purge cycle. I'm thinking that's probably a felony, although kits to do just that are available for the V-10 Touareg. As far as I know, all current models are still injecting fuel during the exhaust stroke to burn off crud in the filter. If that's not the case - for any make and models - please let me know. Biodiesel tends not to vaporize completely, migrate around the rings, drip into the oil pan, and polymerize the engine oil turning it into a solid. I've been running WVO and biodiesel for over a decade and I am an alternate fuel advocate. But you need to use the appropriate vehicle. Even if the manufacturer of an exhaust stroke injection system says you can run 5-10% biofuel, I would not - assuming you want to keep the vehicle after the warranty expires. -Dave Walton On Apr 17, 2012, at 10:42 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for the next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily available in the last five years of ownership, and why? Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year? A current C class? -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
True. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2012, at 7:09 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com writes: Well technically you are paying sales tax on the purchase of the materials used to make BD- vegetable oil, methanol and lye. But not the road tax. -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
We should all buy a big suv Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2012, at 6:20 PM, Dave Walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote: Then don't buy an electric or a hybrid. Those are cheating the system too. In fact, buying any high MPG vehicle means you are not paying your fair share of road tax. -Dave Walton On Apr 18, 2012, at 2:30 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Not to mention using untaxed fuel is cheating your fellow Americans. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Dave Walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about running alternate fuels in your new diesel - don't. You cannot use any concentration of biodiesel in 2007 and later diesels unless you hollow out the particulate filter and modify the ECU to disable the purge cycle. I'm thinking that's probably a felony, although kits to do just that are available for the V-10 Touareg. As far as I know, all current models are still injecting fuel during the exhaust stroke to burn off crud in the filter. If that's not the case - for any make and models - please let me know. Biodiesel tends not to vaporize completely, migrate around the rings, drip into the oil pan, and polymerize the engine oil turning it into a solid. I've been running WVO and biodiesel for over a decade and I am an alternate fuel advocate. But you need to use the appropriate vehicle. Even if the manufacturer of an exhaust stroke injection system says you can run 5-10% biofuel, I would not - assuming you want to keep the vehicle after the warranty expires. -Dave Walton On Apr 17, 2012, at 10:42 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for the next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily available in the last five years of ownership, and why? Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year? A current C class? -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
They should make all electric vehicles pay their fuel tax based on the mileage driven. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: We should all buy a big suv Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2012, at 6:20 PM, Dave Walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote: Then don't buy an electric or a hybrid. Those are cheating the system too. In fact, buying any high MPG vehicle means you are not paying your fair share of road tax. -Dave Walton On Apr 18, 2012, at 2:30 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Not to mention using untaxed fuel is cheating your fellow Americans. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Dave Walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about running alternate fuels in your new diesel - don't. You cannot use any concentration of biodiesel in 2007 and later diesels unless you hollow out the particulate filter and modify the ECU to disable the purge cycle. I'm thinking that's probably a felony, although kits to do just that are available for the V-10 Touareg. As far as I know, all current models are still injecting fuel during the exhaust stroke to burn off crud in the filter. If that's not the case - for any make and models - please let me know. Biodiesel tends not to vaporize completely, migrate around the rings, drip into the oil pan, and polymerize the engine oil turning it into a solid. I've been running WVO and biodiesel for over a decade and I am an alternate fuel advocate. But you need to use the appropriate vehicle. Even if the manufacturer of an exhaust stroke injection system says you can run 5-10% biofuel, I would not - assuming you want to keep the vehicle after the warranty expires. -Dave Walton On Apr 17, 2012, at 10:42 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for the next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily available in the last five years of ownership, and why? Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year? A current C class? -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
Ha. That is an excellent point! Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2012, at 7:20 PM, Dave Walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote: Then don't buy an electric or a hybrid. Those are cheating the system too. In fact, buying any high MPG vehicle means you are not paying your fair share of road tax. -Dave Walton On Apr 18, 2012, at 2:30 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Not to mention using untaxed fuel is cheating your fellow Americans. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Dave Walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about running alternate fuels in your new diesel - don't. You cannot use any concentration of biodiesel in 2007 and later diesels unless you hollow out the particulate filter and modify the ECU to disable the purge cycle. I'm thinking that's probably a felony, although kits to do just that are available for the V-10 Touareg. As far as I know, all current models are still injecting fuel during the exhaust stroke to burn off crud in the filter. If that's not the case - for any make and models - please let me know. Biodiesel tends not to vaporize completely, migrate around the rings, drip into the oil pan, and polymerize the engine oil turning it into a solid. I've been running WVO and biodiesel for over a decade and I am an alternate fuel advocate. But you need to use the appropriate vehicle. Even if the manufacturer of an exhaust stroke injection system says you can run 5-10% biofuel, I would not - assuming you want to keep the vehicle after the warranty expires. -Dave Walton On Apr 17, 2012, at 10:42 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for the next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily available in the last five years of ownership, and why? Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year? A current C class? -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
And those who ride bicycles and use the road? Shouldn't they be subjected to a road tax? Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2012, at 7:20 PM, Dave Walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote: Then don't buy an electric or a hybrid. Those are cheating the system too. In fact, buying any high MPG vehicle means you are not paying your fair share of road tax. -Dave Walton On Apr 18, 2012, at 2:30 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Not to mention using untaxed fuel is cheating your fellow Americans. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Dave Walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about running alternate fuels in your new diesel - don't. You cannot use any concentration of biodiesel in 2007 and later diesels unless you hollow out the particulate filter and modify the ECU to disable the purge cycle. I'm thinking that's probably a felony, although kits to do just that are available for the V-10 Touareg. As far as I know, all current models are still injecting fuel during the exhaust stroke to burn off crud in the filter. If that's not the case - for any make and models - please let me know. Biodiesel tends not to vaporize completely, migrate around the rings, drip into the oil pan, and polymerize the engine oil turning it into a solid. I've been running WVO and biodiesel for over a decade and I am an alternate fuel advocate. But you need to use the appropriate vehicle. Even if the manufacturer of an exhaust stroke injection system says you can run 5-10% biofuel, I would not - assuming you want to keep the vehicle after the warranty expires. -Dave Walton On Apr 17, 2012, at 10:42 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for the next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily available in the last five years of ownership, and why? Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year? A current C class? -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
In some places bicycles need to be registered. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.comwrote: And those who ride bicycles and use the road? Shouldn't they be subjected to a road tax? Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2012, at 7:20 PM, Dave Walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote: Then don't buy an electric or a hybrid. Those are cheating the system too. In fact, buying any high MPG vehicle means you are not paying your fair share of road tax. -Dave Walton On Apr 18, 2012, at 2:30 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Not to mention using untaxed fuel is cheating your fellow Americans. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Dave Walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about running alternate fuels in your new diesel - don't. You cannot use any concentration of biodiesel in 2007 and later diesels unless you hollow out the particulate filter and modify the ECU to disable the purge cycle. I'm thinking that's probably a felony, although kits to do just that are available for the V-10 Touareg. As far as I know, all current models are still injecting fuel during the exhaust stroke to burn off crud in the filter. If that's not the case - for any make and models - please let me know. Biodiesel tends not to vaporize completely, migrate around the rings, drip into the oil pan, and polymerize the engine oil turning it into a solid. I've been running WVO and biodiesel for over a decade and I am an alternate fuel advocate. But you need to use the appropriate vehicle. Even if the manufacturer of an exhaust stroke injection system says you can run 5-10% biofuel, I would not - assuming you want to keep the vehicle after the warranty expires. -Dave Walton On Apr 17, 2012, at 10:42 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for the next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily available in the last five years of ownership, and why? Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year? A current C class? -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
True but they don't pay a road tax. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2012, at 7:37 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: In some places bicycles need to be registered. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.comwrote: And those who ride bicycles and use the road? Shouldn't they be subjected to a road tax? Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2012, at 7:20 PM, Dave Walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote: Then don't buy an electric or a hybrid. Those are cheating the system too. In fact, buying any high MPG vehicle means you are not paying your fair share of road tax. -Dave Walton On Apr 18, 2012, at 2:30 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Not to mention using untaxed fuel is cheating your fellow Americans. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Dave Walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about running alternate fuels in your new diesel - don't. You cannot use any concentration of biodiesel in 2007 and later diesels unless you hollow out the particulate filter and modify the ECU to disable the purge cycle. I'm thinking that's probably a felony, although kits to do just that are available for the V-10 Touareg. As far as I know, all current models are still injecting fuel during the exhaust stroke to burn off crud in the filter. If that's not the case - for any make and models - please let me know. Biodiesel tends not to vaporize completely, migrate around the rings, drip into the oil pan, and polymerize the engine oil turning it into a solid. I've been running WVO and biodiesel for over a decade and I am an alternate fuel advocate. But you need to use the appropriate vehicle. Even if the manufacturer of an exhaust stroke injection system says you can run 5-10% biofuel, I would not - assuming you want to keep the vehicle after the warranty expires. -Dave Walton On Apr 17, 2012, at 10:42 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for the next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily available in the last five years of ownership, and why? Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year? A current C class? -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas or bicycle?
...and it should be against the law for middle aged men to wear lycra. Hendrik who does NOT wear lycra On 19/04/12 09:07, Brian Toscano wrote: In some places bicycles need to be registered. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas or bicycle?
Yeah but middle aged women might like seeing middle aged men in Lycra:) Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2012, at 7:49 PM, Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au wrote: ...and it should be against the law for middle aged men to wear lycra. Hendrik who does NOT wear lycra On 19/04/12 09:07, Brian Toscano wrote: In some places bicycles need to be registered. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
The registration money may be funneled to the DOT. It really all depends on how the state funds its roads, bridges, and overall transportation system. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 5:47 PM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.comwrote: True but they don't pay a road tax. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2012, at 7:37 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: In some places bicycles need to be registered. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: And those who ride bicycles and use the road? Shouldn't they be subjected to a road tax? Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2012, at 7:20 PM, Dave Walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote: Then don't buy an electric or a hybrid. Those are cheating the system too. In fact, buying any high MPG vehicle means you are not paying your fair share of road tax. -Dave Walton On Apr 18, 2012, at 2:30 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Not to mention using untaxed fuel is cheating your fellow Americans. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Dave Walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about running alternate fuels in your new diesel - don't. You cannot use any concentration of biodiesel in 2007 and later diesels unless you hollow out the particulate filter and modify the ECU to disable the purge cycle. I'm thinking that's probably a felony, although kits to do just that are available for the V-10 Touareg. As far as I know, all current models are still injecting fuel during the exhaust stroke to burn off crud in the filter. If that's not the case - for any make and models - please let me know. Biodiesel tends not to vaporize completely, migrate around the rings, drip into the oil pan, and polymerize the engine oil turning it into a solid. I've been running WVO and biodiesel for over a decade and I am an alternate fuel advocate. But you need to use the appropriate vehicle. Even if the manufacturer of an exhaust stroke injection system says you can run 5-10% biofuel, I would not - assuming you want to keep the vehicle after the warranty expires. -Dave Walton On Apr 17, 2012, at 10:42 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for the next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily available in the last five years of ownership, and why? Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year? A current C class? -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
Dave Walton walton.d...@gmail.com writes: Then don't buy an electric or a hybrid. Those are cheating the system too. This will have to be addressed if/when plug-in electric vehicles begin to register in the total percentage of vehicles on the road. Now and for the foreseeable future there aren't enough of them to matter. If this changes, there will be some kind of mandatory extra electric meter on your charger, or you will be charged a flat extra tax when you register the car, or you will have to pay based on miles driven. Hybrids and traditional but economical cars are an easier challenge, they still use fuel, so as fuel consumption drops they will just raise the tax so they have the same money coming in. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
On Apr 18, 2012, at 7:34 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: you will have to pay based on miles driven. They already floated a trial ballon, saying we will each have a GPS device in our cars to track miles driven. http://techblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2011/05/obama-administration-floats-pl.html http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/159397-obama-floats-plan-to-tax-cars-by-the-mile And you thought Big Brother was already watching... Just wait. It gets worse. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
On Apr 18, 2012, at 2:30 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Not to mention using untaxed fuel is cheating your fellow Americans. IIRC, you are allowed to make up to 400 gallons of alternative fuel without paying road taxes. Kind of like you can brew or distill 200 gallons of your favorite ethanol based beverage for personal consumption without paying taxes on it. Rick Who no longer drinks ethanol based beverages. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
Yikees. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2012, at 8:42 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: On Apr 18, 2012, at 7:34 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: you will have to pay based on miles driven. They already floated a trial ballon, saying we will each have a GPS device in our cars to track miles driven. http://techblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2011/05/obama-administration-floats-pl.html http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/159397-obama-floats-plan-to-tax-cars-by-the-mile And you thought Big Brother was already watching... Just wait. It gets worse. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
The people who make their own biodiesel would be better off if they didn't advertise it is a way to avoid fuel taxes It may not be their primary reason, but it sets a bad precedent. I didn't buy fuel efficient vehicles to avoid fuel taxes, I did it to save money on fuel. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.comwrote: Yikees. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2012, at 8:42 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: On Apr 18, 2012, at 7:34 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: you will have to pay based on miles driven. They already floated a trial ballon, saying we will each have a GPS device in our cars to track miles driven. http://techblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2011/05/obama-administration-floats-pl.html http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/159397-obama-floats-plan-to-tax-cars-by-the-mile And you thought Big Brother was already watching... Just wait. It gets worse. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
Ten years ago, electric cars prepaid a lifetime's worth* of road tax upon registration as an EV, in many states. *vehicle lifetime, I remember seeing $2000 somewhere. Not sure how that works now that they are available commercially, probably rolls into the note unless states wrote in exemptions. Best, -Tim On Apr 18, 2012 7:27 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: They should make all electric vehicles pay their fuel tax based on the mileage driven. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: We should all buy a big suv Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2012, at 6:20 PM, Dave Walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote: Then don't buy an electric or a hybrid. Those are cheating the system too. In fact, buying any high MPG vehicle means you are not paying your fair share of road tax. -Dave Walton On Apr 18, 2012, at 2:30 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Not to mention using untaxed fuel is cheating your fellow Americans. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Dave Walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about running alternate fuels in your new diesel - don't. You cannot use any concentration of biodiesel in 2007 and later diesels unless you hollow out the particulate filter and modify the ECU to disable the purge cycle. I'm thinking that's probably a felony, although kits to do just that are available for the V-10 Touareg. As far as I know, all current models are still injecting fuel during the exhaust stroke to burn off crud in the filter. If that's not the case - for any make and models - please let me know. Biodiesel tends not to vaporize completely, migrate around the rings, drip into the oil pan, and polymerize the engine oil turning it into a solid. I've been running WVO and biodiesel for over a decade and I am an alternate fuel advocate. But you need to use the appropriate vehicle. Even if the manufacturer of an exhaust stroke injection system says you can run 5-10% biofuel, I would not - assuming you want to keep the vehicle after the warranty expires. -Dave Walton On Apr 17, 2012, at 10:42 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for the next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily available in the last five years of ownership, and why? Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year? A current C class? -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
Then don't buy an electric or a hybrid. Those are cheating the system too. In fact, buying any high MPG vehicle means you are not paying your fair share of road tax. -Dave Walton nobody is stopping the pious owners from sending in extra tax money voluntarily. I have not heard of any of the pious doing such. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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To be honest, I'm willing to put up with GPS tracking. Too many dicks don't think about their bad driving until they kill someone and have to act remorseful in front of a judge. Too often they don't kill themselves in the process. When my niece and nephews start driving I'm signing them up for it. -Dave Walton On Apr 18, 2012, at 8:42 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: On Apr 18, 2012, at 7:34 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: you will have to pay based on miles driven. They already floated a trial ballon, saying we will each have a GPS device in our cars to track miles driven. http://techblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2011/05/obama-administration-floats-pl.html http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/159397-obama-floats-plan-to-tax-cars-by-the-mile And you thought Big Brother was already watching... Just wait. It gets worse. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
Yes you do --- I might even have a car or two to sell to you -- On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 6:15 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: I need to come out and see your new place sometime. On 4/18/2012 7:41 AM, OK Don wrote: I agree that if you have the time to, and interest in maintaining an older car like the 123s and 124s, etc., that's the most economical route. However, my interests are changing from cars to aircraft, and I don't want to be spending time working on a car that I can be spending on the airplane(s?). Looking back, I've spent the least, both dollars and time, maintaining the two cars we bought new - a 1974 Opel Manta, and the 1997 Plymouth van. Hence, my interest in blowing a large sum of money on a new car. I just want it to be the last one :-) In 20 years I'll be in my 80's, so it will be getting time to let others drive me around :-) The cheap basturd in me makes it real hard to pay doulbe the price for a new MB vs a VW, and why is an E class that much better than a C class? I see the gas engines lasting just as long as the Diesels now, and the fuel economy is nearly the same for both with the current direct injection ga engines. I hate that you can't buy a Diesel 4-matic C class here! On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 12:57 AM, Brian Toscanobrian.toscano@gmail.**combrian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Over 20 years the overall vehicle comes more into question than the fuel it uses. If you're only driving 10,000 miles a year the fuel cost would not be a major concern. Both will be available. The world will not run out of oil at some moment in time. On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 11:43 PM, G Manng2ma...@gmail.com wrote: I fully expect to be still driving one of my 300D's 20 years from now. In 20 yrs. I'll be 85, just to be sure, I think I'll stockpile a second car up on blocks so when the one I'm driving fails and I'm to old and frail to fix it but can still drive, I'll take the spare out and drive that one... why not? Diesel will run on a pretty wide range of fuels that don't all have to come from the system, so it's my choice. That might not work for you... or it might. The older design with nothing computer is more resilient I believe, it's already gone for 35 years and millions of miles... For the price of a new car, I can buy a fleet of 300SD's ... keep Q in business, stockpile spares, make them near perfect, and use them for next 20 yrs... so what if they don't get 50 mpg... I'm still money ahead at 30 mpg and the older car Granted I don't have to deal with rust issues here in the west. Your mileage may vary... Grant... AZ On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 10:03 PM, Rick Knoblerickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: On Apr 17, 2012, at 9:42 PM, OK Donokd...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for the next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily available in the last five years of ownership, and why? Both should be available, but by then diesel may be more prevalent. The air, railroad, and trucking industries all rely on diesel fuel (jet a is similar) and those industries are not likely to die off any time soon. 50 mpg + vehicles fueled by diesel are the norm in Europe and when fuel hits over $7 per gallon here in the next few years, automakers will be forced by public outcry to produce more efficient vehicles. Since they already exist in Europe, they will be diesels. Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year? Probably not. My friend bought a 2003 new and it has about 250 k miles on it and it is pretty much used up. A current C class? Possibly, with proper maintenance. I expect an E class bluetec would fit the ticket nicely. They are not inexpensive, but quality usually isn't. Rick Sent from my iPhone __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas or bicycle?
I wear lycra, or as one idiot in a letter to the editor in the paper said, full European cycling gear. I think those who find it somehow disturbing are just jealous they cannot look so svelte and bulging in all the proper places. --R On 4/18/12 7:49 PM, Hendrik Fay wrote: ...and it should be against the law for middle aged men to wear lycra. Hendrik who does NOT wear lycra On 19/04/12 09:07, Brian Toscano wrote: In some places bicycles need to be registered. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
I'd rather have a mileage reading. I think people who want to avoid government tracking their vehicle movements should have the option. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 8:02 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Yes you do --- I might even have a car or two to sell to you -- On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 6:15 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: I need to come out and see your new place sometime. On 4/18/2012 7:41 AM, OK Don wrote: I agree that if you have the time to, and interest in maintaining an older car like the 123s and 124s, etc., that's the most economical route. However, my interests are changing from cars to aircraft, and I don't want to be spending time working on a car that I can be spending on the airplane(s?). Looking back, I've spent the least, both dollars and time, maintaining the two cars we bought new - a 1974 Opel Manta, and the 1997 Plymouth van. Hence, my interest in blowing a large sum of money on a new car. I just want it to be the last one :-) In 20 years I'll be in my 80's, so it will be getting time to let others drive me around :-) The cheap basturd in me makes it real hard to pay doulbe the price for a new MB vs a VW, and why is an E class that much better than a C class? I see the gas engines lasting just as long as the Diesels now, and the fuel economy is nearly the same for both with the current direct injection ga engines. I hate that you can't buy a Diesel 4-matic C class here! On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 12:57 AM, Brian Toscanobrian.toscano@gmail. **combrian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Over 20 years the overall vehicle comes more into question than the fuel it uses. If you're only driving 10,000 miles a year the fuel cost would not be a major concern. Both will be available. The world will not run out of oil at some moment in time. On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 11:43 PM, G Manng2ma...@gmail.com wrote: I fully expect to be still driving one of my 300D's 20 years from now. In 20 yrs. I'll be 85, just to be sure, I think I'll stockpile a second car up on blocks so when the one I'm driving fails and I'm to old and frail to fix it but can still drive, I'll take the spare out and drive that one... why not? Diesel will run on a pretty wide range of fuels that don't all have to come from the system, so it's my choice. That might not work for you... or it might. The older design with nothing computer is more resilient I believe, it's already gone for 35 years and millions of miles... For the price of a new car, I can buy a fleet of 300SD's ... keep Q in business, stockpile spares, make them near perfect, and use them for next 20 yrs... so what if they don't get 50 mpg... I'm still money ahead at 30 mpg and the older car Granted I don't have to deal with rust issues here in the west. Your mileage may vary... Grant... AZ On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 10:03 PM, Rick Knoblerickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: On Apr 17, 2012, at 9:42 PM, OK Donokd...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for the next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily available in the last five years of ownership, and why? Both should be available, but by then diesel may be more prevalent. The air, railroad, and trucking industries all rely on diesel fuel (jet a is similar) and those industries are not likely to die off any time soon. 50 mpg + vehicles fueled by diesel are the norm in Europe and when fuel hits over $7 per gallon here in the next few years, automakers will be forced by public outcry to produce more efficient vehicles. Since they already exist in Europe, they will be diesels. Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year? Probably not. My friend bought a 2003 new and it has about 250 k miles on it and it is pretty much used up. A current C class? Possibly, with proper maintenance. I expect an E class bluetec would fit the ticket nicely. They are not inexpensive, but quality usually isn't. Rick Sent from my iPhone __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
I think the government should track our bowel movements too. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2012, at 10:12 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: I'd rather have a mileage reading. I think people who want to avoid government tracking their vehicle movements should have the option. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 8:02 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Yes you do --- I might even have a car or two to sell to you -- On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 6:15 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: I need to come out and see your new place sometime. On 4/18/2012 7:41 AM, OK Don wrote: I agree that if you have the time to, and interest in maintaining an older car like the 123s and 124s, etc., that's the most economical route. However, my interests are changing from cars to aircraft, and I don't want to be spending time working on a car that I can be spending on the airplane(s?). Looking back, I've spent the least, both dollars and time, maintaining the two cars we bought new - a 1974 Opel Manta, and the 1997 Plymouth van. Hence, my interest in blowing a large sum of money on a new car. I just want it to be the last one :-) In 20 years I'll be in my 80's, so it will be getting time to let others drive me around :-) The cheap basturd in me makes it real hard to pay doulbe the price for a new MB vs a VW, and why is an E class that much better than a C class? I see the gas engines lasting just as long as the Diesels now, and the fuel economy is nearly the same for both with the current direct injection ga engines. I hate that you can't buy a Diesel 4-matic C class here! On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 12:57 AM, Brian Toscanobrian.toscano@gmail. **combrian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Over 20 years the overall vehicle comes more into question than the fuel it uses. If you're only driving 10,000 miles a year the fuel cost would not be a major concern. Both will be available. The world will not run out of oil at some moment in time. On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 11:43 PM, G Manng2ma...@gmail.com wrote: I fully expect to be still driving one of my 300D's 20 years from now. In 20 yrs. I'll be 85, just to be sure, I think I'll stockpile a second car up on blocks so when the one I'm driving fails and I'm to old and frail to fix it but can still drive, I'll take the spare out and drive that one... why not? Diesel will run on a pretty wide range of fuels that don't all have to come from the system, so it's my choice. That might not work for you... or it might. The older design with nothing computer is more resilient I believe, it's already gone for 35 years and millions of miles... For the price of a new car, I can buy a fleet of 300SD's ... keep Q in business, stockpile spares, make them near perfect, and use them for next 20 yrs... so what if they don't get 50 mpg... I'm still money ahead at 30 mpg and the older car Granted I don't have to deal with rust issues here in the west. Your mileage may vary... Grant... AZ On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 10:03 PM, Rick Knoblerickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: On Apr 17, 2012, at 9:42 PM, OK Donokd...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for the next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily available in the last five years of ownership, and why? Both should be available, but by then diesel may be more prevalent. The air, railroad, and trucking industries all rely on diesel fuel (jet a is similar) and those industries are not likely to die off any time soon. 50 mpg + vehicles fueled by diesel are the norm in Europe and when fuel hits over $7 per gallon here in the next few years, automakers will be forced by public outcry to produce more efficient vehicles. Since they already exist in Europe, they will be diesels. Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year? Probably not. My friend bought a 2003 new and it has about 250 k miles on it and it is pretty much used up. A current C class? Possibly, with proper maintenance. I expect an E class bluetec would fit the ticket nicely. They are not inexpensive, but quality usually isn't. Rick Sent from my iPhone __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas or bicycle?
Ok Mr Sveltinbulgin, I want to take up cycling again. I'm a bit too embarrased to do the bulgin Lycra thing so what other options do I have? Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2012, at 10:05 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I wear lycra, or as one idiot in a letter to the editor in the paper said, full European cycling gear. I think those who find it somehow disturbing are just jealous they cannot look so svelte and bulging in all the proper places. --R On 4/18/12 7:49 PM, Hendrik Fay wrote: ...and it should be against the law for middle aged men to wear lycra. Hendrik who does NOT wear lycra On 19/04/12 09:07, Brian Toscano wrote: In some places bicycles need to be registered. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas or big brother GPS tax?
That whole taxing based on mile readings is a waste of time, they do that in NZ for Diesel powered cars and funnily enough a lot of Diesel drivers have a wee little switch hidden away. That is why the proposal is for a basic GPS which records miles travelled. However I cannot ever see that becoming law, as it discriminates against those who live in a remote area. Also consider that a tax system based on fuel is already in place, so if you drive a big vehicle a lot of miles you pay a greater amount of tax than someone who drives a small car for shorter distances. And I suppose that the pollies who are cooking up this BS will be exempt or get a rebate or some such thing. Hendrik who has a GPS that records km's driven On 19/04/12 11:42, Brian Toscano wrote: I'd rather have a mileage reading. I think people who want to avoid government tracking their vehicle movements should have the option. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Ok Mr Sveltinbulgin, I want to take up cycling again. I'm a bit too embarrased to do the bulgin Lycra thing so what other options do I have? Sent from my ayePhone I seem to remember riding a bike with blue jeans and a t shirt. Also worked for: riding a motorcycle driving a car driving a tractor driving a truck shoveling manure planting transplanting cultivating haying carpentry plumbing electrical work flying a plane travel work boating camping watching the tube yard work bull riding and more... However in extreme heat, you might want to exchange the jeans for shorts. Of course, shorts could be cut off jeans. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Naked_Bike_Ride (warning, contains images of people without clothing) That might be the go for you? Alternatively a normal pair of shorts or tracksuit pants should do the job. Me thinks that the reason pro riders wear lycra is to cut down wind resistance, which is why I wonder why non pro riders have to wear the stuff. Anyway here is a couple of examples of what I am talking about Right= http://img.moonbuggy.org/spandex--thank-you-god/ Wrong= http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pictures/view/223780/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:UnJeansLeggings_crop.jpg Hendrik who is not that buldgy On 19/04/12 12:01, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: Ok Mr Sveltinbulgin, I want to take up cycling again. I'm a bit too embarrased to do the bulgin Lycra thing so what other options do I have? Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2012, at 10:05 PM, Rich Thomasrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I wear lycra, or as one idiot in a letter to the editor in the paper said, full European cycling gear. I think those who find it somehow disturbing are just jealous they cannot look so svelte and bulging in all the proper places. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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DUDE, nobody wants to see that stuff! It would be like looking at all the stuffed sausage creatures at wally world. clay On Apr 18, 2012, at 4:53 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: Yeah but middle aged women might like seeing middle aged men in Lycra:) Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2012, at 7:49 PM, Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au wrote: ...and it should be against the law for middle aged men to wear lycra. Hendrik who does NOT wear lycra On 19/04/12 09:07, Brian Toscano wrote: In some places bicycles need to be registered. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for the next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily available in the last five years of ownership, and why? Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year? A current C class? -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 21:42:04 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for the next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily available in the last five years of ownership, and why? You can always make biodiesel Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year? A current C class? In other words, would they go 150,000 - 200,000 miles. Good question; I don't know. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
I doubt a VW would be that cost effective after 10-12 years. An E might. On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 21:42:04 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for the next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily available in the last five years of ownership, and why? You can always make biodiesel Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year? A current C class? In other words, would they go 150,000 - 200,000 miles. Good question; I don't know. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
Both diesel and gasoline as vehicle fuel will be with us for at least another half-century, no alternatives are anywhere close to scale to replace them. Allan Craig diese...@pisquared.net writes: On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 21:42:04 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for the next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily available in the last five years of ownership, and why? You can always make biodiesel Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year? A current C class? In other words, would they go 150,000 - 200,000 miles. Good question; I don't know. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
The last VW I owned was really starting to come to pieces at about 10 years. It WAS a good car for that time, but do not see one lasting like a W123 can. Of course I would say that about ANY modern car. Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com writes: I doubt a VW would be that cost effective after 10-12 years. An E might. On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 21:42:04 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for the next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily available in the last five years of ownership, and why? You can always make biodiesel Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year? A current C class? In other words, would they go 150,000 - 200,000 miles. Good question; I don't know. -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
I have been happy with the dodge van. I got it 5 years ago with 110k on it. It needed plugs and wires, and a seal rejuvenator in the engine. I replaced the pass window switch, Other than that it has been oil and filters, trans fluid/filter, tars, the usual stuff. I have put 120k on it. I plan to keep it until it croaks. another 50 to 100k. The last VW I owned was really starting to come to pieces at about 10 years. It WAS a good car for that time, but do not see one lasting like a W123 can. Of course I would say that about ANY modern car. Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com writes: I doubt a VW would be that cost effective after 10-12 years. An E might. On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 21:42:04 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for the next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily available in the last five years of ownership, and why? You can always make biodiesel Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year? A current C class? In other words, would they go 150,000 - 200,000 miles. Good question; I don't know. -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
On Apr 17, 2012, at 9:42 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for the next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily available in the last five years of ownership, and why? Both should be available, but by then diesel may be more prevalent. The air, railroad, and trucking industries all rely on diesel fuel (jet a is similar) and those industries are not likely to die off any time soon. 50 mpg + vehicles fueled by diesel are the norm in Europe and when fuel hits over $7 per gallon here in the next few years, automakers will be forced by public outcry to produce more efficient vehicles. Since they already exist in Europe, they will be diesels. Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year? Probably not. My friend bought a 2003 new and it has about 250 k miles on it and it is pretty much used up. A current C class? Possibly, with proper maintenance. I expect an E class bluetec would fit the ticket nicely. They are not inexpensive, but quality usually isn't. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
I fully expect to be still driving one of my 300D's 20 years from now. In 20 yrs. I'll be 85, just to be sure, I think I'll stockpile a second car up on blocks so when the one I'm driving fails and I'm to old and frail to fix it but can still drive, I'll take the spare out and drive that one... why not? Diesel will run on a pretty wide range of fuels that don't all have to come from the system, so it's my choice. That might not work for you... or it might. The older design with nothing computer is more resilient I believe, it's already gone for 35 years and millions of miles... For the price of a new car, I can buy a fleet of 300SD's ... keep Q in business, stockpile spares, make them near perfect, and use them for next 20 yrs... so what if they don't get 50 mpg... I'm still money ahead at 30 mpg and the older car Granted I don't have to deal with rust issues here in the west. Your mileage may vary... Grant... AZ On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 10:03 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.comwrote: On Apr 17, 2012, at 9:42 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for the next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily available in the last five years of ownership, and why? Both should be available, but by then diesel may be more prevalent. The air, railroad, and trucking industries all rely on diesel fuel (jet a is similar) and those industries are not likely to die off any time soon. 50 mpg + vehicles fueled by diesel are the norm in Europe and when fuel hits over $7 per gallon here in the next few years, automakers will be forced by public outcry to produce more efficient vehicles. Since they already exist in Europe, they will be diesels. Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year? Probably not. My friend bought a 2003 new and it has about 250 k miles on it and it is pretty much used up. A current C class? Possibly, with proper maintenance. I expect an E class bluetec would fit the ticket nicely. They are not inexpensive, but quality usually isn't. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?
Over 20 years the overall vehicle comes more into question than the fuel it uses. If you're only driving 10,000 miles a year the fuel cost would not be a major concern. Both will be available. The world will not run out of oil at some moment in time. On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 11:43 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: I fully expect to be still driving one of my 300D's 20 years from now. In 20 yrs. I'll be 85, just to be sure, I think I'll stockpile a second car up on blocks so when the one I'm driving fails and I'm to old and frail to fix it but can still drive, I'll take the spare out and drive that one... why not? Diesel will run on a pretty wide range of fuels that don't all have to come from the system, so it's my choice. That might not work for you... or it might. The older design with nothing computer is more resilient I believe, it's already gone for 35 years and millions of miles... For the price of a new car, I can buy a fleet of 300SD's ... keep Q in business, stockpile spares, make them near perfect, and use them for next 20 yrs... so what if they don't get 50 mpg... I'm still money ahead at 30 mpg and the older car Granted I don't have to deal with rust issues here in the west. Your mileage may vary... Grant... AZ On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 10:03 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: On Apr 17, 2012, at 9:42 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for the next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily available in the last five years of ownership, and why? Both should be available, but by then diesel may be more prevalent. The air, railroad, and trucking industries all rely on diesel fuel (jet a is similar) and those industries are not likely to die off any time soon. 50 mpg + vehicles fueled by diesel are the norm in Europe and when fuel hits over $7 per gallon here in the next few years, automakers will be forced by public outcry to produce more efficient vehicles. Since they already exist in Europe, they will be diesels. Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year? Probably not. My friend bought a 2003 new and it has about 250 k miles on it and it is pretty much used up. A current C class? Possibly, with proper maintenance. I expect an E class bluetec would fit the ticket nicely. They are not inexpensive, but quality usually isn't. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
