Re: [MBZ] Don’t go to New Mexico

2020-07-16 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Hey, what a great idea!  Those at high risk that don't want to catch the virus can simply wear an N95 mask.  Doesn't matter what everyone else does, you're covered! Jul 15, 2020 8:51:42 PM OK Don via Mercedes : I > don't like to wear a mask anymore than anyone else, but I've taken to > wearing

Re: [MBZ] Don’t go to New Mexico

2020-07-15 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes
I just wear a bandana. Might or might not work, but at least I rock the look. :) -MMM- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/list

Re: [MBZ] Don’t go to New Mexico

2020-07-15 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Your freedom to not wear a mask or to be traced ends where my freedom not to be infected by you begins. Like your freedom of expression ends where my nose begins. We are all in this together, whether we like it or not. I don't like to wear a mask anymore than anyone else, but I've taken to wearing

Re: [MBZ] Don’t go to New Mexico

2020-07-15 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
I predict we will get rushed approval on a vaccine (Moderna most likely). On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 6:06 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Anything over 60% alcohol inactivates it pretty well. > > Rick there has never been a polio outbreak like the ones we are seeing

Re: [MBZ] Don’t go to New Mexico

2020-07-15 Thread Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
Coronavirus wpidemics are not free either. You pay a cost either way. Ideally people are smart enough to choose the lower cost item On Wed, Jul 15, 2020, 12:04 PM fmiser via Mercedes wrote: > > Karl wrote: > > > Not to beat a dead horse, but this is why testing and tracing is > > so important. >

Re: [MBZ] Don’t go to New Mexico

2020-07-15 Thread Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
Anything over 60% alcohol inactivates it pretty well. Rick there has never been a polio outbreak like the ones we are seeing with this virus, where 60 of 80 choir members get infected at a single practice, or a hundred korean aerobics people get it at dance class. It is definitely airborne. Polio

Re: [MBZ] Don’t go to New Mexico

2020-07-15 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Heh. Thalidomide. P.J. O’Rourke and his Porsche review. "Back seats big enough for Thalidomide babies”. How tasteless, but how PJ. -D > On Jul 15, 2020, at 3:58 PM, Clay via Mercedes wrote: > > My doc is honest. He willingly admits when he gets duped by the mainstream > medical hoopla over

Re: [MBZ] Don’t go to New Mexico

2020-07-15 Thread Clay via Mercedes
Having worked in the food industry, most of the staff is not that diligent about hygiene. Kitchen staff just loved it when the prissy type wait staff would squeal when they had to use the head. Maybe if the line staff are getting $15/hr, same as the dishwasher (who was tasked with keeping the

Re: [MBZ] Don’t go to New Mexico

2020-07-15 Thread Clay via Mercedes
My doc is honest. He willingly admits when he gets duped by the mainstream medical hoopla over medication and other claims that turn out to be overstated or outright false. We both remember Thalidomide and how easily pat answers and early prognostication ends up junk. The medicine as profit c

Re: [MBZ] Don’t go to New Mexico

2020-07-15 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes
On Wed, 15 Jul 2020 13:35:29 -0400 Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: > There was early reporting on this out of Wuhan. I recall stories of > illegal/non-code sewage hookups or modifications in many apartments of > those who were sick. > > If true, masks are useless. Studies showing that masks hel

Re: [MBZ] Don’t go to New Mexico

2020-07-15 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
> Karl wrote: > Not to beat a dead horse, but this is why testing and tracing is > so important. > ...sensible measures like masking... and tracing as many contacts > as possible Once the tracing Pandora is out of the box, how do we ever get it back in again? When will this "crisis" be over?

Re: [MBZ] Don’t go to New Mexico

2020-07-15 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Of course, innocent and not infected are two different things. Our local Trump clone (governor) is now infected. Another one who refuses masks. On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 7:20 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Hmmm, used to be that a citizen was considered to be innocent

Re: [MBZ] Don’t go to New Mexico

2020-07-15 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
I would imagine not all restaurant workers are diligent about wearing their masks 100 percent of the time. On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 1:36 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > There was early reporting on this out of Wuhan. I recall stories of > illegal/non-code sewage hook

Re: [MBZ] Don’t go to New Mexico

2020-07-15 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
There was early reporting on this out of Wuhan. I recall stories of illegal/non-code sewage hookups or modifications in many apartments of those who were sick. If true, masks are useless. Studies showing that masks help prevent spread may be conflating correlation with causation. Maybe people who

Re: [MBZ] Don’t go to New Mexico

2020-07-15 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
I suspect this virus is spread like polio, not like the flu or colds. Contact tracing may help, but I doubt it is the ultimate answer. Wash your hands. Really well. (hard to do properly at the beach, picnics, and other outdoor events). BTW, alcohol (hand sanitizer) doesn't emulsify lipids (coro

Re: [MBZ] Don’t go to New Mexico

2020-07-15 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Karl, I've read several news articles that indicate that the virus has mutated and has weakened; although the number of cases is rising, those who are hospitalized are less severe and more likely to survive than before.  Does your experience match that? Max Dillon Charleston SC Jul 15, 2020 9:

Re: [MBZ] Don’t go to New Mexico

2020-07-15 Thread Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
Not to beat a dead horse, but this is why testing and tracing is so important. If you don't know which citizens are "guilty", and who they have been associating with, it is hard to protect the "innocent" (uninfected) from disruptive containment policies. The only sensible path forward is a cont

Re: [MBZ] Don’t go to New Mexico

2020-07-15 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Hmmm, used to be that a citizen was considered to be innocent until proven guilty - Max (Give Me Liberty or Give Me Wuhan Red Death!) Charleston SC On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 7:49 PM OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > You are presumed to be sick until proven otherwise, 14 days later. > "I

Re: [MBZ] Don’t go to New Mexico

2020-07-07 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
You are presumed to be sick until proven otherwise, 14 days later. "I don't want to go on the cart, I'm not dead yet!" On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 1:51 PM Craig via Mercedes wrote: > On Tue, 7 Jul 2020 13:39:43 -0500 Peter Frederick via Mercedes > wrote: > > > Quarantine laws are still in the books

Re: [MBZ] Don’t go to New Mexico

2020-07-07 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Tue, 7 Jul 2020 13:39:43 -0500 Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote: > Quarantine laws are still in the books in all states I think. You can > be restricted to your home if you have an infectious disease by force. > Completely Constitutional. But here they are forcing visitors to stay home wit

Re: [MBZ] Don’t go to New Mexico

2020-07-07 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
Quarantine laws are still in the books in all states I think. You can be restricted to your home if you have an infectious disease by force. Completely Constitutional. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To U

Re: [MBZ] Don’t go to New Mexico

2020-07-07 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Maine has those signs including the words "By executive order". I'm not sure that this kind of "executive order" is legal. I certainly can't find any part of the constitution that allows a governor to restrict travel. The governor of MA has suggested that he cannot legal order people to stay hom

Re: [MBZ] Don’t go to New Mexico

2020-07-07 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Tue, 7 Jul 2020 10:17:53 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: > https://www.kcentv.com/mobile/article/news/health/coronavirus/traveling-to-new-mexico-any-time-soon-plan-to-spend-14-days-there-if-you-do/287-8ed4dc18-258a-4b7d-b411-7d3716a1449d > There are emergency message signs at entran

[MBZ] Don’t go to New Mexico

2020-07-07 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
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