Re: [MBZ] Early 70s 200Ds, 220Ds
When I first got my bike my FIL gave me a leather MA motorcycle patrolman's jacket. Sadly its about 2 too short in the arms. Apparently I'm built a bit like a gorilla. Anyway I find my Joe Rocket (Comet I think) jacket to be plenty warm with the liner in. The wind doesn't get through it. If I were planning to make long rides in the cold I'd have a touring bike (like the '96 BMW beckoning me at the shop) and a heated vest. My Joe Rocket coat has big heavy leather pads in the elbows, shoulders and low spine. Seems like good protection while still being surprisingly comfortable. They make a perforated jacket for hot summer riding I've considered, they aren't expensive. -Curt Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 09:47:57 -0600 From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Early 70s 200Ds, 220Ds To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Joe Rocket is good stuff - just remember to zip the two pieces together. The best winter protection is a good leather bomber jacket, leather gloves, chaps boots but you have to look hard to find a good leather jacket. The manufacturers have figured out how to make a jacket made from thin leather feel very heavy. Good denim does slide well but good denim is hard to find these days because even the major brands have gone to lighter fabric. Also, denim does not protect as well as leather. You can buy kevlar reinforced denim riding pants and jackets but they are expensive. Oh, when I went on my last slide, I had scrapes: On my helmet On the left shoulder, side arm of my bomber jacket On my left glove On the left leg of my chaps On the side of my left boot It was a November crash. If it had been summer then I would have tested my Joe Rocket gear. I threw away the helmet because they are only good for one impact and I still wear the rest. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Early 70s 200Ds, 220Ds
--- Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joe Rocket is good stuff - just remember to zip the two pieces together. The best winter protection is a good leather bomber jacket, leather gloves, chaps boots but you have to look hard to find a good leather jacket. The manufacturers have figured out how to make a jacket made from thin leather feel very heavy. Good denim does slide well but good denim is hard to find these days because even the major brands have gone to lighter fabric. Also, denim does not protect as well as leather. You can buy kevlar reinforced denim riding pants and jackets but they are expensive. Oh, when I went on my last slide, I had scrapes: On my helmet On the left shoulder, side arm of my bomber jacket On my left glove On the left leg of my chaps On the side of my left boot It was a November crash. If it had been summer then I would have tested my Joe Rocket gear. I threw away the helmet because they are only good for one impact and I still wear the rest. When I did my BRC for my endorsement, there was a young guy in the class who had a Joe Rocket mesh jacket with all the Kevlar pads. Since it was June and already 90F+ by 7:00 AM, leather was damned uncomfortable to be wearing. he let me try out his jacket, and I was really impressed. Enough that I bought one the next week and use it whenever the temperature is about 80F or so. Makes the hot Florida days a little more bearable on the bike, and still affords good protection. Denim is not ideal, as it will tear quite easily. When I ride to work I wear leather chaps, not only for protection, but to keep the road crap off my pants. All my leather is H-D motorclothes, so it's HEAVY. My main riding jacket weighs in at about 15 pounds with the liner and winter stuff snapped on it. Wear it all day and your shoulders feel sore. Dan Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Early 70s 200Ds, 220Ds
I'll second that! BillR -Original Message- From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 2/11/08 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Early 70s 200Ds, 220Ds You wrote A Camero was coming out of the curve State Farm had a great commercial about how their salesmen were locals - one talked to parents about giving their kids hi-po FireBirds and Camaros - those 2 being the #1 car of choice among teens getting the 1st car and license - something like 85% (IIRC) had severe accidents within 6 months of starting driving - State Farm was pleading with parents to refrain from buying high performance cars like these for inexperienced drivers. Sounds like this is what hit you - makes me think a 240D is the ideal car for a new driver. Glad you were in a MB! Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Early 70s 200Ds, 220Ds Yes, though I have related it a year or so ago. I was a student at Lynchburg College [great school, BTW] and was heading to DC in 1971 in my '62 220Sb to visit an old roommate. I was going into an 'S' curve at 2:30 AM in the pouring down rain. A Camero was coming out of the curve and all I remember [for the next two weeks] is saying 'that car is going too fast' ... A trucker who saw the wreck in his mirrors said it was a Keystone Cop sort of image with both cars going up and then smashing down. I would estimate my speed at 50 when she hit me, and there were 14' of skid marks behind my car, none at all from hers, and she was going a good deal faster. My car stopped at the scene and hers took a bounce. At that time they did not do blood alcohol levels on corpses, but she was driving her boyfriends car with her brand new driver's license, and speeding in the rain at 2:30 AM on a curving 2 lane after leaving a party. She was either drunk or terminally stupid. My car did not have the lap belts installed [long story], which would have killed me from the angle of impact, but the flat MB steering wheel prevented any internal injuries. I think with a full modern restraint and airbag system I would not have been seriously injured. The top of the wheel hit me at tooth level and took all of them out as well as my lower jaw [they found and refitted 4 of 5 pieces and most all of the teeth], and also caused a C-2/3 spinal break [C-2/3 controls the heart and breathing I think, which is why I believe hitting at an angle with a lap belt would have been worse than hitting straight on without one]. My right knee took out an add-on AC unit, cutting the knee almost through and sending my smashed femur into daylight [well, not daylight at 2:30 AM]. Multiple compound fractures, some closed ones, and cuts all over. I had an opportunity to see the car three months later when I got out of the hospital and didn't recognize it ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Early 70s 200Ds, 220Ds
Joe Rocket is good stuff - just remember to zip the two pieces together. The best winter protection is a good leather bomber jacket, leather gloves, chaps boots but you have to look hard to find a good leather jacket. The manufacturers have figured out how to make a jacket made from thin leather feel very heavy. Good denim does slide well but good denim is hard to find these days because even the major brands have gone to lighter fabric. Also, denim does not protect as well as leather. You can buy kevlar reinforced denim riding pants and jackets but they are expensive. Oh, when I went on my last slide, I had scrapes: On my helmet On the left shoulder, side arm of my bomber jacket On my left glove On the left leg of my chaps On the side of my left boot It was a November crash. If it had been summer then I would have tested my Joe Rocket gear. I threw away the helmet because they are only good for one impact and I still wear the rest. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 9:29 AM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Early 70s 200Ds, 220Ds At least you were behind it and not UNDER... I need to buy pants, I really like my Joe Rocket kevlar coat, much cooler than leather while being heavy and protective. I've read that denim will stand up good to pavement but I'd just as rather not find out... -Curt Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 22:43:37 -0600 From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Early 70s 200Ds, 220Ds To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Speaking of accidents, there's nothing like sliding down the pavement behind your BMW motorcycle at 45 MPH. Fortunately, I was wearing full leathers and I rode the machine home. Oh, I still ride today and I still wear full riding gear even in the hottest months. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1270 - Release Date: 2/10/2008 12:21 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Early 70s 200Ds, 220Ds
State Farm has always been our insurer of choice, mainly because they are fair and easy to work with (for us - YMMV.) I have a 15 year old in the house, and SF has a program that they take when they turn 16 that consists of classroom time and logging their driving for a month or two. If they pass the class successfully they get an additional 10% off their rate. And as a teenager, you NEED every break you can get when it comes to auto insurance... Dan --- LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You wrote A Camero was coming out of the curve State Farm had a great commercial about how their salesmen were locals - one talked to parents about giving their kids hi-po FireBirds and Camaros - those 2 being the #1 car of choice among teens getting the 1st car and license - something like 85% (IIRC) had severe accidents within 6 months of starting driving - State Farm was pleading with parents to refrain from buying high performance cars like these for inexperienced drivers. Sounds like this is what hit you - makes me think a 240D is the ideal car for a new driver. Glad you were in a MB! Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Early 70s 200Ds, 220Ds
Exactly! That's what my son learned to drive in. Now that he's 20, he's graduated to the SDL. makes me think a 240D is the ideal car for a new driver. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Early 70s 200Ds, 220Ds
You wroteHe survived with no major injuries Sadly, thisis often the case - often attributed to the drunk being very relaxed and going with the wreck - Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Early 70s 200Ds, 220Ds Lost a girlfriend to a drunk driver. He was driving south in the northbound lane of a 4 lane highway. She was driving a 1972 Olds Cutlass Convertible, met him just over the crest of a hill. She had no time to react and was killed on the spot. He survived with no major injuries was convicted of man slaughter was sentinced to life without parol. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 2/10/08 3:21 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] Early 70s 200Ds, 220Ds Yes, though I have related it a year or so ago. I was a student at Lynchburg College [great school, BTW] and was heading to DC in 1971 in my '62 220Sb to visit an old roommate. I was going into an 'S' curve at 2:30 AM in the pouring down rain. A Camero was coming out of the curve and all I remember [for the next two weeks] is saying 'that car is going too fast' ... A trucker who saw the wreck in his mirrors said it was a Keystone Cop sort of image with both cars going up and then smashing down. I would estimate my speed at 50 when she hit me, and there were 14' of skid marks behind my car, none at all from hers, and she was going a good deal faster. My car stopped at the scene and hers took a bounce. At that time they did not do blood alcohol levels on corpses, but she was driving her boyfriends car with her brand new driver's license, and speeding in the rain at 2:30 AM on a curving 2 lane after leaving a party. She was either drunk or terminally stupid. My car did not have the lap belts installed [long story], which would have killed me from the angle of impact, but the flat MB steering wheel prevented any internal injuries. I think with a full modern restraint and airbag system I would not have been seriously injured. The top of the wheel hit me at tooth level and took all of them out as well as my lower jaw [they found and refitted 4 of 5 pieces and most all of the teeth], and also caused a C-2/3 spinal break [C-2/3 controls the heart and breathing I think, which is why I believe hitting at an angle with a lap belt would have been worse than hitting straight on without one]. My right knee took out an add-on AC unit, cutting the knee almost through and sending my smashed femur into daylight [well, not daylight at 2:30 AM]. Multiple compound fractures, some closed ones, and cuts all over. I had an opportunity to see the car three months later when I got out of the hospital and didn't recognize it. The crumple zones and flat wheel did their job, though. She [Camero driver] died from being impaled on the steering wheel; the kid beside me died from hitting the side pillar [he was asleep with his head against the side window]. Kid in the rear seat and the passenger in her car got off pretty well, considering. All in all nothing I would recommend getting into, but it did increase my already strong love of MB. BillR Jacksonville FL 1962 220Sb RIP 1975 240DRIP [my 4 HS kids used it] 1981 300SD 299k miles and going strong -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Rentfro Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 5:16 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Early 70s 200Ds, 220Ds Bill revealed: especially since it 'died' and I didn't. Sounds like there is a story there. Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.0/1268 - Release Date: 2/9/2008 11:54 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman
Re: [MBZ] Early 70s 200Ds, 220Ds
Nope - it won't. BTDT. I've read that denim will stand up good to pavement but I'd just as rather not find out... -Curt -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '62 R69S, left in the Fatherland by my brother '84 R100, sold to a disgruntled Harley rider ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Early 70s 200Ds, 220Ds
I'll second that! BillR -Original Message- From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 2/11/08 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Early 70s 200Ds, 220Ds You wrote A Camero was coming out of the curve State Farm had a great commercial about how their salesmen were locals - one talked to parents about giving their kids hi-po FireBirds and Camaros - those 2 being the #1 car of choice among teens getting the 1st car and license - something like 85% (IIRC) had severe accidents within 6 months of starting driving - State Farm was pleading with parents to refrain from buying high performance cars like these for inexperienced drivers. Sounds like this is what hit you - makes me think a 240D is the ideal car for a new driver. Glad you were in a MB! Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Early 70s 200Ds, 220Ds Yes, though I have related it a year or so ago. I was a student at Lynchburg College [great school, BTW] and was heading to DC in 1971 in my '62 220Sb to visit an old roommate. I was going into an 'S' curve at 2:30 AM in the pouring down rain. A Camero was coming out of the curve and all I remember [for the next two weeks] is saying 'that car is going too fast' ... A trucker who saw the wreck in his mirrors said it was a Keystone Cop sort of image with both cars going up and then smashing down. I would estimate my speed at 50 when she hit me, and there were 14' of skid marks behind my car, none at all from hers, and she was going a good deal faster. My car stopped at the scene and hers took a bounce. At that time they did not do blood alcohol levels on corpses, but she was driving her boyfriends car with her brand new driver's license, and speeding in the rain at 2:30 AM on a curving 2 lane after leaving a party. She was either drunk or terminally stupid. My car did not have the lap belts installed [long story], which would have killed me from the angle of impact, but the flat MB steering wheel prevented any internal injuries. I think with a full modern restraint and airbag system I would not have been seriously injured. The top of the wheel hit me at tooth level and took all of them out as well as my lower jaw [they found and refitted 4 of 5 pieces and most all of the teeth], and also caused a C-2/3 spinal break [C-2/3 controls the heart and breathing I think, which is why I believe hitting at an angle with a lap belt would have been worse than hitting straight on without one]. My right knee took out an add-on AC unit, cutting the knee almost through and sending my smashed femur into daylight [well, not daylight at 2:30 AM]. Multiple compound fractures, some closed ones, and cuts all over. I had an opportunity to see the car three months later when I got out of the hospital and didn't recognize it ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Early 70s 200Ds, 220Ds
At least you were behind it and not UNDER... I need to buy pants, I really like my Joe Rocket kevlar coat, much cooler than leather while being heavy and protective. I've read that denim will stand up good to pavement but I'd just as rather not find out... -Curt Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 22:43:37 -0600 From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Early 70s 200Ds, 220Ds To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Speaking of accidents, there's nothing like sliding down the pavement behind your BMW motorcycle at 45 MPH. Fortunately, I was wearing full leathers and I rode the machine home. Oh, I still ride today and I still wear full riding gear even in the hottest months. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Early 70s 200Ds, 220Ds
You wrote A Camero was coming out of the curve State Farm had a great commercial about how their salesmen were locals - one talked to parents about giving their kids hi-po FireBirds and Camaros - those 2 being the #1 car of choice among teens getting the 1st car and license - something like 85% (IIRC) had severe accidents within 6 months of starting driving - State Farm was pleading with parents to refrain from buying high performance cars like these for inexperienced drivers. Sounds like this is what hit you - makes me think a 240D is the ideal car for a new driver. Glad you were in a MB! Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Early 70s 200Ds, 220Ds Yes, though I have related it a year or so ago. I was a student at Lynchburg College [great school, BTW] and was heading to DC in 1971 in my '62 220Sb to visit an old roommate. I was going into an 'S' curve at 2:30 AM in the pouring down rain. A Camero was coming out of the curve and all I remember [for the next two weeks] is saying 'that car is going too fast' ... A trucker who saw the wreck in his mirrors said it was a Keystone Cop sort of image with both cars going up and then smashing down. I would estimate my speed at 50 when she hit me, and there were 14' of skid marks behind my car, none at all from hers, and she was going a good deal faster. My car stopped at the scene and hers took a bounce. At that time they did not do blood alcohol levels on corpses, but she was driving her boyfriends car with her brand new driver's license, and speeding in the rain at 2:30 AM on a curving 2 lane after leaving a party. She was either drunk or terminally stupid. My car did not have the lap belts installed [long story], which would have killed me from the angle of impact, but the flat MB steering wheel prevented any internal injuries. I think with a full modern restraint and airbag system I would not have been seriously injured. The top of the wheel hit me at tooth level and took all of them out as well as my lower jaw [they found and refitted 4 of 5 pieces and most all of the teeth], and also caused a C-2/3 spinal break [C-2/3 controls the heart and breathing I think, which is why I believe hitting at an angle with a lap belt would have been worse than hitting straight on without one]. My right knee took out an add-on AC unit, cutting the knee almost through and sending my smashed femur into daylight [well, not daylight at 2:30 AM]. Multiple compound fractures, some closed ones, and cuts all over. I had an opportunity to see the car three months later when I got out of the hospital and didn't recognize it. The crumple zones and flat wheel did their job, though. She [Camero driver] died from being impaled on the steering wheel; the kid beside me died from hitting the side pillar [he was asleep with his head against the side window]. Kid in the rear seat and the passenger in her car got off pretty well, considering. All in all nothing I would recommend getting into, but it did increase my already strong love of MB. BillR Jacksonville FL 1962 220Sb RIP 1975 240DRIP [my 4 HS kids used it] 1981 300SD 299k miles and going strong -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Rentfro Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 5:16 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Early 70s 200Ds, 220Ds Bill revealed: especially since it 'died' and I didn't. Sounds like there is a story there. Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Early 70s 200Ds, 220Ds
Yes, though I have related it a year or so ago. I was a student at Lynchburg College [great school, BTW] and was heading to DC in 1971 in my '62 220Sb to visit an old roommate. I was going into an 'S' curve at 2:30 AM in the pouring down rain. A Camero was coming out of the curve and all I remember [for the next two weeks] is saying 'that car is going too fast' ... A trucker who saw the wreck in his mirrors said it was a Keystone Cop sort of image with both cars going up and then smashing down. I would estimate my speed at 50 when she hit me, and there were 14' of skid marks behind my car, none at all from hers, and she was going a good deal faster. My car stopped at the scene and hers took a bounce. At that time they did not do blood alcohol levels on corpses, but she was driving her boyfriends car with her brand new driver's license, and speeding in the rain at 2:30 AM on a curving 2 lane after leaving a party. She was either drunk or terminally stupid. My car did not have the lap belts installed [long story], which would have killed me from the angle of impact, but the flat MB steering wheel prevented any internal injuries. I think with a full modern restraint and airbag system I would not have been seriously injured. The top of the wheel hit me at tooth level and took all of them out as well as my lower jaw [they found and refitted 4 of 5 pieces and most all of the teeth], and also caused a C-2/3 spinal break [C-2/3 controls the heart and breathing I think, which is why I believe hitting at an angle with a lap belt would have been worse than hitting straight on without one]. My right knee took out an add-on AC unit, cutting the knee almost through and sending my smashed femur into daylight [well, not daylight at 2:30 AM]. Multiple compound fractures, some closed ones, and cuts all over. I had an opportunity to see the car three months later when I got out of the hospital and didn't recognize it. The crumple zones and flat wheel did their job, though. She [Camero driver] died from being impaled on the steering wheel; the kid beside me died from hitting the side pillar [he was asleep with his head against the side window]. Kid in the rear seat and the passenger in her car got off pretty well, considering. All in all nothing I would recommend getting into, but it did increase my already strong love of MB. BillR Jacksonville FL 1962 220Sb RIP 1975 240DRIP [my 4 HS kids used it] 1981 300SD 299k miles and going strong -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Rentfro Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 5:16 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Early 70s 200Ds, 220Ds Bill revealed: especially since it 'died' and I didn't. Sounds like there is a story there. Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Early 70s 200Ds, 220Ds
Lost a girlfriend to a drunk driver. He was driving south in the northbound lane of a 4 lane highway. She was driving a 1972 Olds Cutlass Convertible, met him just over the crest of a hill. She had no time to react and was killed on the spot. He survived with no major injuries was convicted of man slaughter was sentinced to life without parol. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 2/10/08 3:21 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] Early 70s 200Ds, 220Ds Yes, though I have related it a year or so ago. I was a student at Lynchburg College [great school, BTW] and was heading to DC in 1971 in my '62 220Sb to visit an old roommate. I was going into an 'S' curve at 2:30 AM in the pouring down rain. A Camero was coming out of the curve and all I remember [for the next two weeks] is saying 'that car is going too fast' ... A trucker who saw the wreck in his mirrors said it was a Keystone Cop sort of image with both cars going up and then smashing down. I would estimate my speed at 50 when she hit me, and there were 14' of skid marks behind my car, none at all from hers, and she was going a good deal faster. My car stopped at the scene and hers took a bounce. At that time they did not do blood alcohol levels on corpses, but she was driving her boyfriends car with her brand new driver's license, and speeding in the rain at 2:30 AM on a curving 2 lane after leaving a party. She was either drunk or terminally stupid. My car did not have the lap belts installed [long story], which would have killed me from the angle of impact, but the flat MB steering wheel prevented any internal injuries. I think with a full modern restraint and airbag system I would not have been seriously injured. The top of the wheel hit me at tooth level and took all of them out as well as my lower jaw [they found and refitted 4 of 5 pieces and most all of the teeth], and also caused a C-2/3 spinal break [C-2/3 controls the heart and breathing I think, which is why I believe hitting at an angle with a lap belt would have been worse than hitting straight on without one]. My right knee took out an add-on AC unit, cutting the knee almost through and sending my smashed femur into daylight [well, not daylight at 2:30 AM]. Multiple compound fractures, some closed ones, and cuts all over. I had an opportunity to see the car three months later when I got out of the hospital and didn't recognize it. The crumple zones and flat wheel did their job, though. She [Camero driver] died from being impaled on the steering wheel; the kid beside me died from hitting the side pillar [he was asleep with his head against the side window]. Kid in the rear seat and the passenger in her car got off pretty well, considering. All in all nothing I would recommend getting into, but it did increase my already strong love of MB. BillR Jacksonville FL 1962 220Sb RIP 1975 240DRIP [my 4 HS kids used it] 1981 300SD 299k miles and going strong -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Rentfro Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 5:16 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Early 70s 200Ds, 220Ds Bill revealed: especially since it 'died' and I didn't. Sounds like there is a story there. Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.0/1268 - Release Date: 2/9/2008 11:54 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Mercy. People who think we're nuts for being so sold on a car should sit and read our complied stories about our cars saved our lives. Bob R. That is the reason Marshall Booth originally came to the Mercedes fold. His first wife was killed in an auto accident. He researched what the safest cars of the day were. They were, of course Mercedes. From then on, that is what he drove. He had posted an email relating this much better than I have, a few years ago... Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Wow. Aside from the injuries I am sure you also have memories that are not pleasant. --R Bill R wrote: Yes, though I have related it a year or so ago. I was a student at Lynchburg College [great school, BTW] and was heading to DC in 1971 in my '62 220Sb to visit an old roommate. I was going into an 'S' curve at 2:30 AM in the pouring down rain. A Camero was coming out of the curve and all I remember [for the next two weeks] is saying 'that car is going too fast' ... A trucker who saw the wreck in his mirrors said it was a Keystone Cop sort of image with both cars going up and then smashing down. I would estimate my speed at 50 when she hit me, and there were 14' of skid marks behind my car, none at all from hers, and she was going a good deal faster. My car stopped at the scene and hers took a bounce. At that time they did not do blood alcohol levels on corpses, but she was driving her boyfriends car with her brand new driver's license, and speeding in the rain at 2:30 AM on a curving 2 lane after leaving a party. She was either drunk or terminally stupid. My car did not have the lap belts installed [long story], which would have killed me from the angle of impact, but the flat MB steering wheel prevented any internal injuries. I think with a full modern restraint and airbag system I would not have been seriously injured. The top of the wheel hit me at tooth level and took all of them out as well as my lower jaw [they found and refitted 4 of 5 pieces and most all of the teeth], and also caused a C-2/3 spinal break [C-2/3 controls the heart and breathing I think, which is why I believe hitting at an angle with a lap belt would have been worse than hitting straight on without one]. My right knee took out an add-on AC unit, cutting the knee almost through and sending my smashed femur into daylight [well, not daylight at 2:30 AM]. Multiple compound fractures, some closed ones, and cuts all over. I had an opportunity to see the car three months later when I got out of the hospital and didn't recognize it. The crumple zones and flat wheel did their job, though. She [Camero driver] died from being impaled on the steering wheel; the kid beside me died from hitting the side pillar [he was asleep with his head against the side window]. Kid in the rear seat and the passenger in her car got off pretty well, considering. All in all nothing I would recommend getting into, but it did increase my already strong love of MB. BillR Jacksonville FL 1962 220Sb RIP 1975 240DRIP [my 4 HS kids used it] 1981 300SD 299k miles and going strong ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Actually, the lap belt might in fact have saved you at least the broken leg although probably not much else. Remeber, you kept moving when the car stopped -- the belt would have dragged you backwards pretty hard and greatly lessened the impact with the steering wheel. I got T-boned in the driver's door of my 300D, the guy was driving a Chevy 3500 series 3/4 ton van, fully loaded with plumbers stuff. I got some glass in my arm and a very hard kick in the ribs (nothing broken) and was able to put the car in park (engine still running) and get out. Pretty smashed, but I credit Benz with saving my life. The fire crew that arrived on the scene though the driver was dead since the car was still running and they couldn't see anyone around. I recommend avoiding collisions, by the way, no matter what vehicle you are in. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Well, by this time I almost can't remember being without the 'reminders'. I once counted 14 sets of scars, but most have faded pretty well with time - or been replaced with others. I really have no complaints. When I came to my senses two weeks later I spent a day or so feeling sorry for myself, the got hit with the thought of those who died, and of mom. Whenever we faced some tough times I could remember her taking stock of things, then saying, Well, we'll get through this somehow. That pretty much kicked me out of focusing on what I had lost and onto what came next. I learned to walk again, finished my degree, then graduate school and my post-graduate degree. I got married and love her more than ever after 32 years, and have four kids that I like and five grandchildren. I had a rewarding career that took me to several countries. Kind of silly to complain about a few aches. As I see it, everything after that wreck has been a bonus. Enough already, but thanks for asking. BillR -Original Message- From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 2/10/08 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Early 70s 200Ds, 220Ds Wow. Aside from the injuries I am sure you also have memories that are not pleasant. --R Bill R wrote: Yes, though I have related it a year or so ago. I was a student at Lynchburg College [great school, BTW] and was heading to DC in 1971 in my '62 220Sb to visit an old roommate. I was going into an 'S' curve at 2:30 AM in the pouring down rain. A Camero was coming out of the curve and all I remember [for the next two weeks] is saying 'that car is going too fast' .. A trucker who saw the wreck in his mirrors said it was a Keystone Cop sort of image with both cars going up and then smashing down. I would estimate my speed at 50 when she hit me, and there were 14' of skid marks behind my car, none at all from hers, and she was going a good deal faster. My car stopped at the scene and hers took a bounce. At that time they did not do blood alcohol levels on corpses, but she was driving her boyfriends car with her brand new driver's license, and speeding in the rain at 2:30 AM on a curving 2 lane after leaving a party. She was either drunk or terminally stupid. My car did not have the lap belts installed [long story], which would have killed me from the angle of impact, but the flat MB steering wheel prevented any internal injuries. I think with a full modern restraint and airbag system I would not have been seriously injured. The top of the wheel hit me at tooth level and took all of them out as well as my lower jaw [they found and refitted 4 of 5 pieces and most all of the teeth], and also caused a C-2/3 spinal break [C-2/3 controls the heart and breathing I think, which is why I believe hitting at an angle with a lap belt would have been worse than hitting straight on without one]. My right knee took out an add-on AC unit, cutting the knee almost through and sending my smashed femur into daylight [well, not daylight at 2:30 AM]. Multiple compound fractures, some closed ones, and cuts all over. I had an opportunity to see the car three months later when I got out of the hospital and didn't recognize it ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Well, by this time I almost can't remember being without the 'reminders'. I once counted 14 sets of scars, but most have faded pretty well with time - or been replaced with others. I really have no complaints. When I came to my senses two weeks later I spent a day or so feeling sorry for myself, the got hit with the thought of those who died, and of mom. Whenever we faced some tough times I could remember her taking stock of things, then saying, Well, we'll get through this somehow. That pretty much kicked me out of focusing on what I had lost and onto what came next. I learned to walk again, finished my degree, then graduate school and my post-graduate degree. I got married and love her more than ever after 32 years, and have four kids that I like and five grandchildren. I had a rewarding career that took me to several countries. Kind of silly to complain about a few aches. As I see it, everything after that wreck has been a bonus. Enough already, but thanks for asking. BillR -Original Message- From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 2/10/08 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Early 70s 200Ds, 220Ds Wow. Aside from the injuries I am sure you also have memories that are not pleasant. --R Bill R wrote: Yes, though I have related it a year or so ago. I was a student at Lynchburg College [great school, BTW] and was heading to DC in 1971 in my '62 220Sb to visit an old roommate. I was going into an 'S' curve at 2:30 AM in the pouring down rain. A Camero was coming out of the curve and all I remember [for the next two weeks] is saying 'that car is going too fast' .. A trucker who saw the wreck in his mirrors said it was a Keystone Cop sort of image with both cars going up and then smashing down. I would estimate my speed at 50 when she hit me, and there were 14' of skid marks behind my car, none at all from hers, and she was going a good deal faster. My car stopped at the scene and hers took a bounce. At that time they did not do blood alcohol levels on corpses, but she was driving her boyfriends car with her brand new driver's license, and speeding in the rain at 2:30 AM on a curving 2 lane after leaving a party. She was either drunk or terminally stupid. My car did not have the lap belts installed [long story], which would have killed me from the angle of impact, but the flat MB steering wheel prevented any internal injuries. I think with a full modern restraint and airbag system I would not have been seriously injured. The top of the wheel hit me at tooth level and took all of them out as well as my lower jaw [they found and refitted 4 of 5 pieces and most all of the teeth], and also caused a C-2/3 spinal break [C-2/3 controls the heart and breathing I think, which is why I believe hitting at an angle with a lap belt would have been worse than hitting straight on without one]. My right knee took out an add-on AC unit, cutting the knee almost through and sending my smashed femur into daylight [well, not daylight at 2:30 AM]. Multiple compound fractures, some closed ones, and cuts all over. I had an opportunity to see the car three months later when I got out of the hospital and didn't recognize it ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Well, by this time I almost can't remember being without the 'reminders'. I once counted 14 sets of scars, but most have faded pretty well with time - or been replaced with others. I really have no complaints. When I came to my senses two weeks later I spent a day or so feeling sorry for myself, the got hit with the thought of those who died, and of mom. Whenever we faced some tough times I could remember her taking stock of things, then saying, Well, we'll get through this somehow. That pretty much kicked me out of focusing on what I had lost and onto what came next. I learned to walk again, finished my degree, then graduate school and my post-graduate degree. I got married and love her more than ever after 32 years, and have four kids that I like and five grandchildren. I had a rewarding career that took me to several countries. Kind of silly to complain about a few aches. As I see it, everything after that wreck has been a bonus. Enough already, but thanks for asking. BillR -Original Message- From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 2/10/08 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Early 70s 200Ds, 220Ds Wow. Aside from the injuries I am sure you also have memories that are not pleasant. --R Bill R wrote: Yes, though I have related it a year or so ago. I was a student at Lynchburg College [great school, BTW] and was heading to DC in 1971 in my '62 220Sb to visit an old roommate. I was going into an 'S' curve at 2:30 AM in the pouring down rain. A Camero was coming out of the curve and all I remember [for the next two weeks] is saying 'that car is going too fast' .. A trucker who saw the wreck in his mirrors said it was a Keystone Cop sort of image with both cars going up and then smashing down. I would estimate my speed at 50 when she hit me, and there were 14' of skid marks behind my car, none at all from hers, and she was going a good deal faster. My car stopped at the scene and hers took a bounce. At that time they did not do blood alcohol levels on corpses, but she was driving her boyfriends car with her brand new driver's license, and speeding in the rain at 2:30 AM on a curving 2 lane after leaving a party. She was either drunk or terminally stupid. My car did not have the lap belts installed [long story], which would have killed me from the angle of impact, but the flat MB steering wheel prevented any internal injuries. I think with a full modern restraint and airbag system I would not have been seriously injured. The top of the wheel hit me at tooth level and took all of them out as well as my lower jaw [they found and refitted 4 of 5 pieces and most all of the teeth], and also caused a C-2/3 spinal break [C-2/3 controls the heart and breathing I think, which is why I believe hitting at an angle with a lap belt would have been worse than hitting straight on without one]. My right knee took out an add-on AC unit, cutting the knee almost through and sending my smashed femur into daylight [well, not daylight at 2:30 AM]. Multiple compound fractures, some closed ones, and cuts all over. I had an opportunity to see the car three months later when I got out of the hospital and didn't recognize it ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Well, by this time I almost can't remember being without the 'reminders'. I once counted 14 sets of scars, but most have faded pretty well with time - or been replaced with others. I really have no complaints. When I came to my senses two weeks later I spent a day or so feeling sorry for myself, the got hit with the thought of those who died, and of mom. Whenever we faced some tough times I could remember her taking stock of things, then saying, Well, we'll get through this somehow. That pretty much kicked me out of focusing on what I had lost and onto what came next. I learned to walk again, finished my degree, then graduate school and my post-graduate degree. I got married and love her more than ever after 32 years, and have four kids that I like and five grandchildren. I had a rewarding career that took me to several countries. Kind of silly to complain about a few aches. As I see it, everything after that wreck has been a bonus. Enough already, but thanks for asking. BillR -Original Message- From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 2/10/08 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Early 70s 200Ds, 220Ds Wow. Aside from the injuries I am sure you also have memories that are not pleasant. --R Bill R wrote: Yes, though I have related it a year or so ago. I was a student at Lynchburg College [great school, BTW] and was heading to DC in 1971 in my '62 220Sb to visit an old roommate. I was going into an 'S' curve at 2:30 AM in the pouring down rain. A Camero was coming out of the curve and all I remember [for the next two weeks] is saying 'that car is going too fast' .. A trucker who saw the wreck in his mirrors said it was a Keystone Cop sort of image with both cars going up and then smashing down. I would estimate my speed at 50 when she hit me, and there were 14' of skid marks behind my car, none at all from hers, and she was going a good deal faster. My car stopped at the scene and hers took a bounce. At that time they did not do blood alcohol levels on corpses, but she was driving her boyfriends car with her brand new driver's license, and speeding in the rain at 2:30 AM on a curving 2 lane after leaving a party. She was either drunk or terminally stupid. My car did not have the lap belts installed [long story], which would have killed me from the angle of impact, but the flat MB steering wheel prevented any internal injuries. I think with a full modern restraint and airbag system I would not have been seriously injured. The top of the wheel hit me at tooth level and took all of them out as well as my lower jaw [they found and refitted 4 of 5 pieces and most all of the teeth], and also caused a C-2/3 spinal break [C-2/3 controls the heart and breathing I think, which is why I believe hitting at an angle with a lap belt would have been worse than hitting straight on without one]. My right knee took out an add-on AC unit, cutting the knee almost through and sending my smashed femur into daylight [well, not daylight at 2:30 AM]. Multiple compound fractures, some closed ones, and cuts all over. I had an opportunity to see the car three months later when I got out of the hospital and didn't recognize it ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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that too is what brought me to mercedes. i like a car that isn't a tin box. back in the day, going with mercedes or volvo was the way to go for those of us with impact injury fears. it's a different game today and one might be better off with any modern car than with any vintage benz. trading all the junkers for a new wonder econo box, however, is just not that appeealing most of the time On Feb 10, 2008 5:38 PM, Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mercy. People who think we're nuts for being so sold on a car should sit and read our complied stories about our cars saved our lives. Bob R. That is the reason Marshall Booth originally came to the Mercedes fold. His first wife was killed in an auto accident. He researched what the safest cars of the day were. They were, of course Mercedes. From then on, that is what he drove. He had posted an email relating this much better than I have, a few years ago... Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Well, by this time I almost can't remember being without the 'reminders'. I once counted 14 sets of scars, but most have faded pretty well with time - or been replaced with others. I really have no complaints. When I came to my senses two weeks later I spent a day or so feeling sorry for myself, the got hit with the thought of those who died, and of mom. Whenever we faced some tough times I could remember her taking stock of things, then saying, Well, we'll get through this somehow. That pretty much kicked me out of focusing on what I had lost and onto what came next. I learned to walk again, finished my degree, then graduate school and my post-graduate degree. I got married and love her more than ever after 32 years, and have four kids that I like and five grandchildren. I had a rewarding career that took me to several countries. Kind of silly to complain about a few aches. As I see it, everything after that wreck has been a bonus. Enough already, but thanks for asking. BillR -Original Message- From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 2/10/08 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Early 70s 200Ds, 220Ds Wow. Aside from the injuries I am sure you also have memories that are not pleasant. --R Bill R wrote: Yes, though I have related it a year or so ago. I was a student at Lynchburg College [great school, BTW] and was heading to DC in 1971 in my '62 220Sb to visit an old roommate. I was going into an 'S' curve at 2:30 AM in the pouring down rain. A Camero was coming out of the curve and all I remember [for the next two weeks] is saying 'that car is going too fast' .. A trucker who saw the wreck in his mirrors said it was a Keystone Cop sort of image with both cars going up and then smashing down. I would estimate my speed at 50 when she hit me, and there were 14' of skid marks behind my car, none at all from hers, and she was going a good deal faster. My car stopped at the scene and hers took a bounce. At that time they did not do blood alcohol levels on corpses, but she was driving her boyfriends car with her brand new driver's license, and speeding in the rain at 2:30 AM on a curving 2 lane after leaving a party. She was either drunk or terminally stupid. My car did not have the lap belts installed [long story], which would have killed me from the angle of impact, but the flat MB steering wheel prevented any internal injuries. I think with a full modern restraint and airbag system I would not have been seriously injured. The top of the wheel hit me at tooth level and took all of them out as well as my lower jaw [they found and refitted 4 of 5 pieces and most all of the teeth], and also caused a C-2/3 spinal break [C-2/3 controls the heart and breathing I think, which is why I believe hitting at an angle with a lap belt would have been worse than hitting straight on without one]. My right knee took out an add-on AC unit, cutting the knee almost through and sending my smashed femur into daylight [well, not daylight at 2:30 AM]. Multiple compound fractures, some closed ones, and cuts all over. I had an opportunity to see the car three months later when I got out of the hospital and didn't recognize it ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Sounds like you have good reason to be a believer also. Glad you did ok. My legs and crushed feet would have fared better with the lap belt, but I think the force of hitting the wheel with my face would not have changed much with no shoulder belt. [any physics buffs want to speculate?] If so, the force that broke my neck with a straight on shot would also have done it hitting at an angle, and also flexed my neck - hard on the spinal cord. Were my hips to have stayed in place my nose and eyes would have hit the wheel. I'd just as soon not think about it. I came out OK. BillR -Original Message- From: Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 2/10/08 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Early 70s 200Ds, 220Ds Actually, the lap belt might in fact have saved you at least the broken leg although probably not much else. Remeber, you kept moving when the car stopped -- the belt would have dragged you backwards pretty hard and greatly lessened the impact with the steering wheel. I got T-boned in the driver's door of my 300D, the guy was driving a Chevy 3500 series 3/4 ton van, fully loaded with plumbers stuff. I got some glass in my arm and a very hard kick in the ribs (nothing broken) and was able to put the car in park (engine still running) and get out. Pretty smashed, but I credit Benz with saving my life. The fire crew that arrived on the scene though the driver was dead since the car was still running and they couldn't see anyone around. I recommend avoiding collisions, by the way, no matter what vehicle you are in. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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trading all the junkers for a new wonder econo box, however, is just not that appealing most of the time. As someone said, wait until the Honda Diesels come out. One would be nice, especially an Accord with the biggest doggie friendly back seat. I would be truly excited if they Dieselize a Honda Odyssey for hauling us and the doggies around as well as hauling our teammates and gear to dragon boat races. Hopefully, it would get nearly 30MPG on the highway. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Wasn't there a study done saying an impact that jolted the neck on an angle was much more dangerous, than one that moved the neck and head straight back and forth. I think part of the idea behind the modern head restraints in racing is to not only limit overall travel when decelerating head on, but also to lessen the amount of overall side movement? I'll have to do some reading up again. Ed 300E On 10/02/2008, Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like you have good reason to be a believer also. Glad you did ok. My legs and crushed feet would have fared better with the lap belt, but I think the force of hitting the wheel with my face would not have changed much with no shoulder belt. [any physics buffs want to speculate?] If so, the force that broke my neck with a straight on shot would also have done it hitting at an angle, and also flexed my neck - hard on the spinal cord. Were my hips to have stayed in place my nose and eyes would have hit the wheel. I'd just as soon not think about it. I came out OK. BillR -Original Message- From: Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 2/10/08 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Early 70s 200Ds, 220Ds Actually, the lap belt might in fact have saved you at least the broken leg although probably not much else. Remeber, you kept moving when the car stopped -- the belt would have dragged you backwards pretty hard and greatly lessened the impact with the steering wheel. I got T-boned in the driver's door of my 300D, the guy was driving a Chevy 3500 series 3/4 ton van, fully loaded with plumbers stuff. I got some glass in my arm and a very hard kick in the ribs (nothing broken) and was able to put the car in park (engine still running) and get out. Pretty smashed, but I credit Benz with saving my life. The fire crew that arrived on the scene though the driver was dead since the car was still running and they couldn't see anyone around. I recommend avoiding collisions, by the way, no matter what vehicle you are in. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I don't ever intend to drive anything else. Safety is the main reason I bought one in the first place. Sure, they are luxury cars, and quite nice, but bottom line I and my mother -- I bought her an 88 TE -- are protected as well as we can be. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Only thing worse is to high side it and have the bike following you down the road. :-) Ed 300E On 10/02/2008, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of accidents, there's nothing like sliding down the pavement behind your BMW motorcycle at 45 MPH. Fortunately, I was wearing full leathers and I rode the machine home. Oh, I still ride today and I still wear full riding gear even in the hottest months. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill R Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 8:47 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Early 70s 200Ds, 220Ds Well, by this time I almost can't remember being without the 'reminders'. I once counted 14 sets of scars, but most have faded pretty well with time - or been replaced with others. I really have no complaints. When I came to my senses two weeks later I spent a day or so feeling sorry for myself, the got hit with the thought of those who died, and of mom. Whenever we faced some tough times I could remember her taking stock of things, then saying, Well, we'll get through this somehow. That pretty much kicked me out of focusing on what I had lost and onto what came next. I learned to walk again, finished my degree, then graduate school and my post-graduate degree. I got married and love her more than ever after 32 years, and have four kids that I like and five grandchildren. I had a rewarding career that took me to several countries. Kind of silly to complain about a few aches. As I see it, everything after that wreck has been a bonus. Enough already, but thanks for asking. BillR -Original Message- From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 2/10/08 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Early 70s 200Ds, 220Ds Wow. Aside from the injuries I am sure you also have memories that are not pleasant. --R Bill R wrote: Yes, though I have related it a year or so ago. I was a student at Lynchburg College [great school, BTW] and was heading to DC in 1971 in my '62 220Sb to visit an old roommate. I was going into an 'S' curve at 2:30 AM in the pouring down rain. A Camero was coming out of the curve and all I remember [for the next two weeks] is saying 'that car is going too fast' .. A trucker who saw the wreck in his mirrors said it was a Keystone Cop sort of image with both cars going up and then smashing down. I would estimate my speed at 50 when she hit me, and there were 14' of skid marks behind my car, none at all from hers, and she was going a good deal faster. My car stopped at the scene and hers took a bounce. At that time they did not do blood alcohol levels on corpses, but she was driving her boyfriends car with her brand new driver's license, and speeding in the rain at 2:30 AM on a curving 2 lane after leaving a party. She was either drunk or terminally stupid. My car did not have the lap belts installed [long story], which would have killed me from the angle of impact, but the flat MB steering wheel prevented any internal injuries. I think with a full modern restraint and airbag system I would not have been seriously injured. The top of the wheel hit me at tooth level and took all of them out as well as my lower jaw [they found and refitted 4 of 5 pieces and most all of the teeth], and also caused a C-2/3 spinal break [C-2/3 controls the heart and breathing I think, which is why I believe hitting at an angle with a lap belt would have been worse than hitting straight on without one]. My right knee took out an add-on AC unit, cutting the knee almost through and sending my smashed femur into daylight [well, not daylight at 2:30 AM]. Multiple compound fractures, some closed ones, and cuts all over. I had an opportunity to see the car three months later when I got out of the hospital and didn't recognize it ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.0/1268 - Release Date: 2/9/2008 11:54 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http
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I've not done that, yet. And BTW, high siding is always the riders fault. It's caused by locking up the rear wheel in a panic stop. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of E M Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 10:49 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Early 70s 200Ds, 220Ds Only thing worse is to high side it and have the bike following you down the road. :-) Ed 300E On 10/02/2008, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of accidents, there's nothing like sliding down the pavement behind your BMW motorcycle at 45 MPH. Fortunately, I was wearing full leathers and I rode the machine home. Oh, I still ride today and I still wear full riding gear even in the hottest months. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill R Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 8:47 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Early 70s 200Ds, 220Ds Well, by this time I almost can't remember being without the 'reminders'. I once counted 14 sets of scars, but most have faded pretty well with time - or been replaced with others. I really have no complaints. When I came to my senses two weeks later I spent a day or so feeling sorry for myself, the got hit with the thought of those who died, and of mom. Whenever we faced some tough times I could remember her taking stock of things, then saying, Well, we'll get through this somehow. That pretty much kicked me out of focusing on what I had lost and onto what came next. I learned to walk again, finished my degree, then graduate school and my post-graduate degree. I got married and love her more than ever after 32 years, and have four kids that I like and five grandchildren. I had a rewarding career that took me to several countries. Kind of silly to complain about a few aches. As I see it, everything after that wreck has been a bonus. Enough already, but thanks for asking. BillR -Original Message- From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 2/10/08 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Early 70s 200Ds, 220Ds Wow. Aside from the injuries I am sure you also have memories that are not pleasant. --R Bill R wrote: Yes, though I have related it a year or so ago. I was a student at Lynchburg College [great school, BTW] and was heading to DC in 1971 in my '62 220Sb to visit an old roommate. I was going into an 'S' curve at 2:30 AM in the pouring down rain. A Camero was coming out of the curve and all I remember [for the next two weeks] is saying 'that car is going too fast' .. A trucker who saw the wreck in his mirrors said it was a Keystone Cop sort of image with both cars going up and then smashing down. I would estimate my speed at 50 when she hit me, and there were 14' of skid marks behind my car, none at all from hers, and she was going a good deal faster. My car stopped at the scene and hers took a bounce. At that time they did not do blood alcohol levels on corpses, but she was driving her boyfriends car with her brand new driver's license, and speeding in the rain at 2:30 AM on a curving 2 lane after leaving a party. She was either drunk or terminally stupid. My car did not have the lap belts installed [long story], which would have killed me from the angle of impact, but the flat MB steering wheel prevented any internal injuries. I think with a full modern restraint and airbag system I would not have been seriously injured. The top of the wheel hit me at tooth level and took all of them out as well as my lower jaw [they found and refitted 4 of 5 pieces and most all of the teeth], and also caused a C-2/3 spinal break [C-2/3 controls the heart and breathing I think, which is why I believe hitting at an angle with a lap belt would have been worse than hitting straight on without one]. My right knee took out an add-on AC unit, cutting the knee almost through and sending my smashed femur into daylight [well, not daylight at 2:30 AM]. Multiple compound fractures, some closed ones, and cuts all over. I had an opportunity to see the car three months later when I got out of the hospital and didn't recognize it ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.0/1268 - Release Date: 2/9/2008 11:54 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http
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I still wear full riding gear even in the hottest months. Yes, Tom. You still have skin all over your body and it'll always be that way. . I've gotten many scrapes while riding bikes and skateboards in shorts and short sleeves, and that road rash was a result of going just a few MPH. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula getting a lot of miles these days which sure beats just sittin' in the driveway! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Not uncommon to high side it through the sweepers on a track. Get the rear wheel spinning a little, and then it bits hard, and over you go. Guess it could be argued that any accident, whether on a bike or car, is always partially the fault of the one in control for not reading the conditions right. Just as with flying planes, I believe we, the ones at the controls are always the weakest link. Ed 300E On 11/02/2008, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've not done that, yet. And BTW, high siding is always the riders fault. It's caused by locking up the rear wheel in a panic stop. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of E M Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 10:49 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Early 70s 200Ds, 220Ds Only thing worse is to high side it and have the bike following you down the road. :-) Ed 300E On 10/02/2008, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of accidents, there's nothing like sliding down the pavement behind your BMW motorcycle at 45 MPH. Fortunately, I was wearing full leathers and I rode the machine home. Oh, I still ride today and I still wear full riding gear even in the hottest months. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill R Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 8:47 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Early 70s 200Ds, 220Ds Well, by this time I almost can't remember being without the 'reminders'. I once counted 14 sets of scars, but most have faded pretty well with time - or been replaced with others. I really have no complaints. When I came to my senses two weeks later I spent a day or so feeling sorry for myself, the got hit with the thought of those who died, and of mom. Whenever we faced some tough times I could remember her taking stock of things, then saying, Well, we'll get through this somehow. That pretty much kicked me out of focusing on what I had lost and onto what came next. I learned to walk again, finished my degree, then graduate school and my post-graduate degree. I got married and love her more than ever after 32 years, and have four kids that I like and five grandchildren. I had a rewarding career that took me to several countries. Kind of silly to complain about a few aches. As I see it, everything after that wreck has been a bonus. Enough already, but thanks for asking. BillR -Original Message- From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 2/10/08 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Early 70s 200Ds, 220Ds Wow. Aside from the injuries I am sure you also have memories that are not pleasant. --R Bill R wrote: Yes, though I have related it a year or so ago. I was a student at Lynchburg College [great school, BTW] and was heading to DC in 1971 in my '62 220Sb to visit an old roommate. I was going into an 'S' curve at 2:30 AM in the pouring down rain. A Camero was coming out of the curve and all I remember [for the next two weeks] is saying 'that car is going too fast' .. A trucker who saw the wreck in his mirrors said it was a Keystone Cop sort of image with both cars going up and then smashing down. I would estimate my speed at 50 when she hit me, and there were 14' of skid marks behind my car, none at all from hers, and she was going a good deal faster. My car stopped at the scene and hers took a bounce. At that time they did not do blood alcohol levels on corpses, but she was driving her boyfriends car with her brand new driver's license, and speeding in the rain at 2:30 AM on a curving 2 lane after leaving a party. She was either drunk or terminally stupid. My car did not have the lap belts installed [long story], which would have killed me from the angle of impact, but the flat MB steering wheel prevented any internal injuries. I think with a full modern restraint and airbag system I would not have been seriously injured. The top of the wheel hit me at tooth level and took all of them out as well as my lower jaw [they found and refitted 4 of 5 pieces and most all of the teeth], and also caused a C-2/3 spinal break [C-2/3 controls the heart and breathing I think, which is why I believe hitting at an angle with a lap belt would have been worse than hitting straight on without one]. My right knee took out an add-on AC unit, cutting the knee almost through and sending my smashed femur into daylight [well, not daylight at 2:30 AM]. Multiple compound fractures, some closed ones, and cuts all over. I had an opportunity to see the car three months later when I got out of the hospital
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someday something might come along that will just blow my mind to the point where the old junkers will make so little sense that they must go. today is not that day. i proudly drive my 79 280CE with home rustoleum spray paint job and lots of missing interior pieces (and lots of gorilla tape too!). and don't forget the rust and dents! it does have some advantages though as you really couldn't care less if you left the sunroof open and it starts to rain. On Feb 10, 2008 10:25 PM, Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: trading all the junkers for a new wonder econo box, however, is just not that appealing most of the time. As someone said, wait until the Honda Diesels come out. One would be nice, especially an Accord with the biggest doggie friendly back seat. I would be truly excited if they Dieselize a Honda Odyssey for hauling us and the doggies around as well as hauling our teammates and gear to dragon boat races. Hopefully, it would get nearly 30MPG on the highway. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My brother is alive today because he wore his helmet -- downshifted for the four lane highway on some gravel and mud late and night and dropped it, and just about as he got it under control the rear wheel hit dry pavement. He ripped the sleeve off his leather jacket, busted his collar bone, and ground a hole in the back of his helmet. Serious brain injury for sure turned into a walk-away. Worse motorcycle case I ever heard was from my bosses wife in Canada who used to be an ER nurse -- kid stopped to let a train pass, started off across the tracks after it was gone and got the front wheel trapped between the track, running at about a 45 degree angle and the pavement, fell off the bike and hit a loose spike sticking up with his temple. Dead at the scene. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Speaking of accidents, there's nothing like sliding down the pavement behind your BMW motorcycle at 45 MPH. Fortunately, I was wearing full leathers and I rode the machine home. Oh, I still ride today and I still wear full riding gear even in the hottest months. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill R Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 8:47 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Early 70s 200Ds, 220Ds Well, by this time I almost can't remember being without the 'reminders'. I once counted 14 sets of scars, but most have faded pretty well with time - or been replaced with others. I really have no complaints. When I came to my senses two weeks later I spent a day or so feeling sorry for myself, the got hit with the thought of those who died, and of mom. Whenever we faced some tough times I could remember her taking stock of things, then saying, Well, we'll get through this somehow. That pretty much kicked me out of focusing on what I had lost and onto what came next. I learned to walk again, finished my degree, then graduate school and my post-graduate degree. I got married and love her more than ever after 32 years, and have four kids that I like and five grandchildren. I had a rewarding career that took me to several countries. Kind of silly to complain about a few aches. As I see it, everything after that wreck has been a bonus. Enough already, but thanks for asking. BillR -Original Message- From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 2/10/08 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Early 70s 200Ds, 220Ds Wow. Aside from the injuries I am sure you also have memories that are not pleasant. --R Bill R wrote: Yes, though I have related it a year or so ago. I was a student at Lynchburg College [great school, BTW] and was heading to DC in 1971 in my '62 220Sb to visit an old roommate. I was going into an 'S' curve at 2:30 AM in the pouring down rain. A Camero was coming out of the curve and all I remember [for the next two weeks] is saying 'that car is going too fast' .. A trucker who saw the wreck in his mirrors said it was a Keystone Cop sort of image with both cars going up and then smashing down. I would estimate my speed at 50 when she hit me, and there were 14' of skid marks behind my car, none at all from hers, and she was going a good deal faster. My car stopped at the scene and hers took a bounce. At that time they did not do blood alcohol levels on corpses, but she was driving her boyfriends car with her brand new driver's license, and speeding in the rain at 2:30 AM on a curving 2 lane after leaving a party. She was either drunk or terminally stupid. My car did not have the lap belts installed [long story], which would have killed me from the angle of impact, but the flat MB steering wheel prevented any internal injuries. I think with a full modern restraint and airbag system I would not have been seriously injured. The top of the wheel hit me at tooth level and took all of them out as well as my lower jaw [they found and refitted 4 of 5 pieces and most all of the teeth], and also caused a C-2/3 spinal break [C-2/3 controls the heart and breathing I think, which is why I believe hitting at an angle with a lap belt would have been worse than hitting straight on without one]. My right knee took out an add-on AC unit, cutting the knee almost through and sending my smashed femur into daylight [well, not daylight at 2:30 AM]. Multiple compound fractures, some closed ones, and cuts all over. I had an opportunity to see the car three months later when I got out of the hospital and didn't recognize it ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.0/1268 - Release Date: 2/9/2008 11:54 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Ed, True, and the physics behind a track high side are exactly the same as the physics behind a street high side. On the street, an operator will panic brake, lock up the rear wheel, start to slide and then let go of the rear brake. Then the rear wheel grabs traction, throws the operator over and the bike follows. The results on the street can be ugly. This is why I only use my front brake for stopping I use my rear brake for holding on hills. By only using my front brake, I instinctively grab only the front brake in a panic stop. Then I apply some rear brake if I have time. I've compressed my front forks down at least 80% more than once with aggressive braking. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of E M Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 11:44 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Early 70s 200Ds, 220Ds Not uncommon to high side it through the sweepers on a track. Get the rear wheel spinning a little, and then it bits hard, and over you go. Guess it could be argued that any accident, whether on a bike or car, is always partially the fault of the one in control for not reading the conditions right. Just as with flying planes, I believe we, the ones at the controls are always the weakest link. Ed 300E On 11/02/2008, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've not done that, yet. And BTW, high siding is always the riders fault. It's caused by locking up the rear wheel in a panic stop. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of E M Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 10:49 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Early 70s 200Ds, 220Ds Only thing worse is to high side it and have the bike following you down the road. :-) Ed 300E On 10/02/2008, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of accidents, there's nothing like sliding down the pavement behind your BMW motorcycle at 45 MPH. Fortunately, I was wearing full leathers and I rode the machine home. Oh, I still ride today and I still wear full riding gear even in the hottest months. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill R Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 8:47 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Early 70s 200Ds, 220Ds Well, by this time I almost can't remember being without the 'reminders'. I once counted 14 sets of scars, but most have faded pretty well with time - or been replaced with others. I really have no complaints. When I came to my senses two weeks later I spent a day or so feeling sorry for myself, the got hit with the thought of those who died, and of mom. Whenever we faced some tough times I could remember her taking stock of things, then saying, Well, we'll get through this somehow. That pretty much kicked me out of focusing on what I had lost and onto what came next. I learned to walk again, finished my degree, then graduate school and my post-graduate degree. I got married and love her more than ever after 32 years, and have four kids that I like and five grandchildren. I had a rewarding career that took me to several countries. Kind of silly to complain about a few aches. As I see it, everything after that wreck has been a bonus. Enough already, but thanks for asking. BillR -Original Message- From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 2/10/08 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Early 70s 200Ds, 220Ds Wow. Aside from the injuries I am sure you also have memories that are not pleasant. --R Bill R wrote: Yes, though I have related it a year or so ago. I was a student at Lynchburg College [great school, BTW] and was heading to DC in 1971 in my '62 220Sb to visit an old roommate. I was going into an 'S' curve at 2:30 AM in the pouring down rain. A Camero was coming out of the curve and all I remember [for the next two weeks] is saying 'that car is going too fast' .. A trucker who saw the wreck in his mirrors said it was a Keystone Cop sort of image with both cars going up and then smashing down. I would estimate my speed at 50 when she hit me, and there were 14' of skid marks behind my car, none at all from hers, and she was going a good deal faster. My car stopped at the scene and hers took a bounce. At that time they did not do blood alcohol levels on corpses, but she was driving her boyfriends car with her brand new driver's license, and speeding in the rain at 2:30 AM on a curving 2 lane after leaving a party. She was either drunk or terminally stupid. My car did not have the lap belts installed [long story], which
[MBZ] Early 70s 200Ds, 220Ds
What is it about these cars that makes them everyone's favorite? I'd think the suspension and engine upgrades of the 123s would win out, but I've never owned either. Don't these have the impossible heater blower fans? Dan 83 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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What is it about these cars that makes them everyone's favorite? I'd think the suspension and engine upgrades of the 123s would win out, but I've never owned either. Don't these have the impossible heater blower fans? Yes, but that's not what we like about them. I don't know, mine just handles and drives very nicely. (I thought the 115/123 shared the same suspension.) With the torquey little four-banger and a stick shift they're very driveable. And the funky old-school interior is something I enjoy. The 123 is more creature-comforty, but that's not everything. The 115's manual steering is very tight, I'd say there is zero play in the steering wheel which is _not_ something that can be said of our 123. The basic simplicity of the 115 is appealing, there's just not too much to go wrong. (Except that blasted heater fan.) And I like wing windows. For a long road trip I'd rather have the 123, but for commuting to work I like the 115 just fine. At least until 107 season rolls around again. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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They just have a certain feel to them. They are lighter and more nimble than a 123 and have more charm. Dimitri Dan Weeks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is it about these cars that makes them everyone's favorite? I'd think the suspension and engine upgrades of the 123s would win out, but I've never owned either. Don't these have the impossible heater blower fans? Dan 83 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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i really can't explain it. there is a coolness factor, plus relaxed leisurely motoring in a classic looking environment. i really liked the manual preglow as well. very basic yet elegant. whole far more than the sum of its parts 123 does not derive from 115. 115 closest more modern relative is 107 On Feb 9, 2008 11:44 AM, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is it about these cars that makes them everyone's favorite? I'd think the suspension and engine upgrades of the 123s would win out, but I've never owned either. Don't these have the impossible heater blower fans? Yes, but that's not what we like about them. I don't know, mine just handles and drives very nicely. (I thought the 115/123 shared the same suspension.) With the torquey little four-banger and a stick shift they're very driveable. And the funky old-school interior is something I enjoy. The 123 is more creature-comforty, but that's not everything. The 115's manual steering is very tight, I'd say there is zero play in the steering wheel which is _not_ something that can be said of our 123. The basic simplicity of the 115 is appealing, there's just not too much to go wrong. (Except that blasted heater fan.) And I like wing windows. For a long road trip I'd rather have the 123, but for commuting to work I like the 115 just fine. At least until 107 season rolls around again. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I've never ridden in a 200D, 220D or 240D W115, but I've ridden in 3 different W115 300D's. The road feel is so different than the W123. It's a slightly stiffer ride, but the tradeoffs are way less body roll and tighter and more responsive steering (this all from the passenger's seat, of course! :D). I wish I would have bought the '76 300D I found for $700 4 years ago that had some blowby, worn motor mounts and saggy seat springs, darn it! It's a $2500 car today here in bioland. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300sD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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This is a now one for me, but I guess I never got my 72 220D or either 75 240D's to the critical cornering speed. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 2/9/08 1:08 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] Early 70s 200Ds, 220Ds The only drawback (not for the diesels, of course) is that very hard cornering WILL unmount the outside front tire when you exceed the side force limits on the rim/tire interface. This is, quite obviously, NOT funny, as the car will shoot off the road in a direct tangent to the point of failure. The W123 has the rear swaybar reduced in size to introduce more roll oversteer. This both alerts the driver (the back end starts around) and reduces the loading on the outside front tire so it stays on the rim. That front sway bar on the W115 is HUGE, and does it's job quite well. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1267 - Release Date: 2/8/2008 8:12 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The blower motor stayed the same until the 123 body came out. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 2/9/08 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Early 70s 200Ds, 220Ds I loved my '75 240D, but with me helping out [some] the mechanic managed to change it in only about 8 hours because they got my permission to drill around the center bolt. Since I can't do it myself, I'd stick with '76s and up[isn't that when it moved to an under-dash blower?]. Thus far my '62 200Sb was my first and favorite - especially since it 'died' and I didn't. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Hargrave Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 2:25 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Early 70s 200Ds, 220Ds The heater blower motors aren't impossible, but servicing one will test your religion, manhood and sanity. I replaced the blower motor in one of the 240D's I used to own. I sold the second 240D when its blower motor failed! Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Dan Weeks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 2/9/08 11:38 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: [MBZ] Early 70s 200Ds, 220Ds What is it about these cars that makes them everyone's favorite? I'd think the suspension and engine upgrades of the 123s would win out, but I've never owned either. Don't these have the impossible heater blower fans? Dan 83 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1267 - Release Date: 2/8/2008 8:12 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1267 - Release Date: 2/8/2008 8:12 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Bill revealed: especially since it 'died' and I didn't. Sounds like there is a story there. Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
