Re: [MBZ] F-16 Dead-Stick Landing.......

2011-02-04 Thread John Reames
I thought it was if you can't dazzle 'em with your dancing, baffle them with you Bachelor of Science (or something like that...) -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Feb 3, 2011, at 20:51, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: --R wrote: Never

Re: [MBZ] F-16 Dead-Stick Landing.......

2011-02-03 Thread Rick Knoble
We have an interesting crew here... mao Yes we do. Highly intelligent. Highly educated. All into Mercedes. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] F-16 Dead-Stick Landing.......

2011-02-03 Thread Fred Moir
Boy! Do we have you fooled! Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred On 2/3/2011 10:45 AM, Rick Knoble wrote: We have an interesting crew here... mao Yes we do. Highly intelligent. Highly educated. All into Mercedes. Rick

Re: [MBZ] F-16 Dead-Stick Landing.......

2011-02-03 Thread Rich Thomas
I worked for NASA 3 summers in college with internships, and interviewed for jobs with aerospace firms when I graduated Purdue, then decided that being a little cog in some big machine, sitting in a desk farm or a drone in the gummint (though NASA did have some cool toys), was not for me.

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2011-02-03 Thread Mountain Man
--R wrote: Never really did much aerospace-type work... Interesting. Like I said - my first boss had aeronautics from ND but PhD in civil. Ya kinda wonder how many in aeronautics education make a living in that. Aeronautics offers a nice cache in feel good way... but perhaps is useless except

Re: [MBZ] F-16 Dead-Stick Landing.......NOW training/education

2011-02-03 Thread Rich Thomas
I never felt that I was educated in my college years getting a BS and MS in engineering. Part of that (realistically, a fairly small part) was my fault, but I did not know any better. My education consisted more of being taught stuff, and learning stuff I was taught, than in actually being

Re: [MBZ] F-16 Dead-Stick Landing.......

2011-02-02 Thread Scott Ritchey
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of John Reames Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 06:15 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] F-16 Dead-Stick Landing... I thought all of the US military planes prior to the F16 had that setup, and that a good giveaway to not having

Re: [MBZ] F-16 Dead-Stick Landing.......

2011-02-02 Thread Rich Thomas
Yes you are correct, I think it was the first plane designed that way, once flight computers got good enough to control the airplane. It makes them much more maneuverable as they really want to go off in random directions, the trick is to get them to go where you want. --R On 2/2/2011 6:36

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2011-02-02 Thread Mountain Man
--R wrote: Yes you are correct... I realize you are a designer... but aeronautic? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options

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2011-02-02 Thread Rich Thomas
BSAAE (Astronautics/Mathematics) Purdue U MSAAE (Aerodynamics/Mathematics) Purdue U SM Technology and Policy MIT Now building a house addition and furniture when I get the time --R (once a rocket scientist of sorts, I guess) On 2/2/2011 8:05 PM, Mountain Man wrote: --R wrote: Yes you are

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2011-02-02 Thread Mountain Man
--R wrote: BSAAE (Astronautics/Mathematics)  Purdue U MSAAE (Aerodynamics/Mathematics) Purdue U SM Technology and Policy MIT Now building a house addition and furniture when I get the time My first boss in civil engg was in astronautics from ND, then PhD in Civil from one of the Calif.

Re: [MBZ] F-16 Dead-Stick Landing.......

2011-01-31 Thread John Reames
, January 29, 2011 15:53 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] F-16 Dead-Stick Landing... Aren't most planes more or less fly by hydraulic; there are cables/wires that run from the stick to hydraulic control units at he various control surfaces... With the F16, the stick

Re: [MBZ] F-16 Dead-Stick Landing.......

2011-01-30 Thread Scott Ritchey
: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of John Reames Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 15:53 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] F-16 Dead-Stick Landing... Aren't most planes more or less fly by hydraulic; there are cables/wires that run from

Re: [MBZ] F-16 Dead-Stick Landing.......

2011-01-30 Thread E M
: Re: [MBZ] F-16 Dead-Stick Landing... Aren't most planes more or less fly by hydraulic; there are cables/wires that run from the stick to hydraulic control units at he various control surfaces... With the F16, the stick is mounted on a couple of strain gauges; the computers sit between

Re: [MBZ] F-16 Dead-Stick Landing.......

2011-01-29 Thread Scott Ritchey
And also fly by hydraulics Scott Ritchey 1982 300SD 230k mi -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of John Reames Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 00:22 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] F-16 Dead-Stick Landing

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2011-01-29 Thread Scott Ritchey
' Subject: Re: [MBZ] F-16 Dead-Stick Landing... Allan - Just a guess, but hydrazine is used as the fuel for spacecraft(satellites)because it can be passed over a heated catalyst bed to change it from a liquid fuel to copious amounts of what you might call coal gas. In the spacecraft

Re: [MBZ] F-16 Dead-Stick Landing.......

2011-01-29 Thread John Reames
] On Behalf Of John Reames Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 00:22 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] F-16 Dead-Stick Landing... You forgot one VERY important point--F16's are ENTIRELY fly-by-wire. I've seen it before, btw, and it's way cool. -- John W Reames jwrea

Re: [MBZ] F-16 Dead-Stick Landing.......

2011-01-28 Thread Allan Streib
Why hydrazine to fuel the APU? Why not a normal auxiliary gas turbine like the APU on a normal airliner? Allan On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 00:21 -0500, John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote: You forgot one VERY important point--F16's are ENTIRELY fly-by-wire. I've seen it before, btw, and it's

Re: [MBZ] F-16 Dead-Stick Landing.......

2011-01-28 Thread Rich Thomas
Begs the question why the pilot needs to deal with landing after a flame-out. I would think the flight computers could calculate an optimal glide path and landing spot once the pilot tells it where it needs to be. --R On 1/28/2011 12:21 AM, John Reames wrote: You forgot one VERY important

Re: [MBZ] F-16 Dead-Stick Landing.......

2011-01-28 Thread Barry Stark
. Pretty simple and not much chance that it would fail. Barry -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 7:19 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] F-16 Dead-Stick

[MBZ] F-16 Dead-Stick Landing.......

2011-01-27 Thread Russ Williams
Read this first before viewing: Here's the F-16 dead stick into Elizabeth City, NC: A fairly short RWY for jets, (about 6000 ft long), but qualifies for an Emergency landing field in the grand scheme of US aviation. You'll probably have to watch the video several times to appreciate how

Re: [MBZ] F-16 Dead-Stick Landing.......

2011-01-27 Thread John Reames
You forgot one VERY important point--F16's are ENTIRELY fly-by-wire. I've seen it before, btw, and it's way cool. -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jan 27, 2011, at 21:02, Russ Williams rawil...@eatel.net wrote: Read this first before viewing: