Re: [MBZ] Headgasket Q part deux
Sounds good! -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Headgasket Q part deux
Exciting! Sent from my iPhone On May 16, 2013, at 9:58 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Finally got some time tonight to fart around with my '78 240D what we replaced the head gasket on last weekend. Actually I didn't really have the time but I forced it in anyway, I couldn't bear to leave it while I'm on vacation next week. Anyway buttoned up the cooling system, the oil cooler is a bugger to get installed as it doesn't quite match up to my radiator, oh well. Put in nearly a gallon of coolant and an equal part water and ran it for maybe 15 minutes. It came up to temp nice but as usual (for me anyway) was a bastard to burp and get the air out of. I finally figured I was running short of time and shut it down, of course when I did that a big bubble came out. I'll see how sitting for a week helps it. I did notice that the major symptom observed before (coolant refusing to stay in the radiator) is GONE. The car also started very easily, with just a touch of the key as Wilton would say. I *think* thats a good sign... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Headgasket Q part deux
On Fri, 17 May 2013 02:36:09 -0400 Max meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Sounds good! -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Ummm ... I'm all for trimming posts, but it seems this is a little over-zealous. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Headgasket Q part deux
I know, I'm sorry. I'll try to do better. -Curt Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 21:01:16 -0500 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Headgasket Q part deux Message-ID: CANZcij_vAsU1gEowbV0n5-rgSSkKURwZyW5ahj-RdS84Xh6X=q...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 WHAT??? Your vacation DOESN'T revolve around working on your cars??? On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 8:58 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Finally got some time tonight to fart around with my '78 240D what we replaced the head gasket on last weekend. Actually I didn't really have the time but I forced it in anyway, I couldn't bear to leave it while I'm on vacation next week. -Curt -- OK Don 2013 F150 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Headgasket Q part deux
Finally got some time tonight to fart around with my '78 240D what we replaced the head gasket on last weekend. Actually I didn't really have the time but I forced it in anyway, I couldn't bear to leave it while I'm on vacation next week. Anyway buttoned up the cooling system, the oil cooler is a bugger to get installed as it doesn't quite match up to my radiator, oh well. Put in nearly a gallon of coolant and an equal part water and ran it for maybe 15 minutes. It came up to temp nice but as usual (for me anyway) was a bastard to burp and get the air out of. I finally figured I was running short of time and shut it down, of course when I did that a big bubble came out. I'll see how sitting for a week helps it. I did notice that the major symptom observed before (coolant refusing to stay in the radiator) is GONE. The car also started very easily, with just a touch of the key as Wilton would say. I *think* thats a good sign... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Headgasket Q part deux
WHAT??? Your vacation DOESN'T revolve around working on your cars??? On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 8:58 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Finally got some time tonight to fart around with my '78 240D what we replaced the head gasket on last weekend. Actually I didn't really have the time but I forced it in anyway, I couldn't bear to leave it while I'm on vacation next week. -Curt -- OK Don 2013 F150 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Headgasket Q part deux
On Thu, 16 May 2013 21:01:16 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: WHAT??? Your vacation DOESN'T revolve around working on your cars??? Can we even consider allowing someone to continue being on the list whose vacation doesn't revolve around working on his cars? :-) Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Headgasket?
It got a new head gasket and was fine for at least another 50k, when someone knocked the car out from under me. -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On May 3, 2013, at 20:47, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Pull the head, if its not cracked do a head gasket. If it is cracked, part out or scrap the car. On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 3:46 PM, John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote: There is another (odd!) mode of failure; I had a 617 weep out of the passenger side of the head/block interface when the engine got good and hot. I attribute it to the DPO putting green in the radiator. I finally noticed the yellowish trails down the side of the block from the stuff left behind by evaporation. -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On May 1, 2013, at 19:59, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: So how do I at home troubleshoot a blown headgasket? Driving to work yesterday my '78 240D started to heat up in heavy traffic, once I was moving it was okay, I cranked the heat which blew hot and got it to work. At lunch I added maybe a quart of coolant which brought it up to just below the neck of the radiator. On the way home the temp started to rise, again in heavy traffic, so I pulled over and added (fortunately I'd left the cap loose) most of a gallon(!) of water. I got home but the temp would tend to creep up (slowly) if I stood still. When I got home I got most of another gallon(!) of water into it... Today Angie went to take it to work and it started to heat up again after not much distance. In playing with it I find I can put coolant it but it bubbles right out of the neck of the radiator again. Playing some more I put my mity-vac on the overflow port, put my palm (with rubber gloves on) over the fill hole and dragged the radiator down to 10 of Hg which compressed the upper radiator hose good and didn't seem to leak out other than where it leaked around my hand and around the mity-vac. As another point I can't get hot air out of the heater... I have 2 current theories: #1. The headgasket is toast. Since the car is fairly rusty this means the car is toast, its not worth a headgasket. #2. The thermostat has stuck shut but this doesn't explain coolant bubbling out of the radiator neck... No rising oil level, no white plume out the back, no excessive coolant smell out either the back or in the oil. Angie wants to buy a diesel Jetta, I don't want that big car payment but I'm tired of screwing around with cars and I guess if it came down to a Ford Fiesta I'd prefer the Jetta although I should go drive one before I say that. -Curt -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Headgasket?
Thats rather what I'm hoping for with my 240D, put in a new headgasket, get another year or two out of it to save up for something new(er?) and move on. -Curt Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 06:04:53 -0400 From: John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Headgasket? Message-ID: ce134f13-e7b0-4965-aa42-039568ecd...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii It got a new head gasket and was fine for at least another 50k, when someone knocked the car out from under me. -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On May 3, 2013, at 20:47, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Pull the head, if its not cracked do a head gasket. If it is cracked, part out or scrap the car. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Headgasket?
If you put in a new headgasket and all is well, it should be good for way more than a yr or two. If you are sick of it, well, that's a different story. Chances are you will miss it once the novelty of the modern car wears off! Sent from my iPhone On May 4, 2013, at 9:20 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Thats rather what I'm hoping for with my 240D, put in a new headgasket, get another year or two out of it to save up for something new(er?) and move on. -Curt Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 06:04:53 -0400 From: John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Headgasket? Message-ID: ce134f13-e7b0-4965-aa42-039568ecd...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii It got a new head gasket and was fine for at least another 50k, when someone knocked the car out from under me. -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On May 3, 2013, at 20:47, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Pull the head, if its not cracked do a head gasket. If it is cracked, part out or scrap the car. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Headgasket?
If the headgasket makes it run again its worst problem will be rust. The end of its life will most likely come from rust. -Curt Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 09:38:39 -0400 From: dsereta...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Headgasket? Message-ID: 377192ef-6ad2-4045-986d-35ab89780...@yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii If you put in a new headgasket and all is well, it should be good for way more than a yr or two. If you are sick of it, well, that's a different story. Chances are you will miss it once the novelty of the modern car wears off! Sent from my iPhone On May 4, 2013, at 9:20 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Thats rather what I'm hoping for with my 240D, put in a new headgasket, get another year or two out of it to save up for something new(er?) and move on. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Headgasket?
Pull the head, if its not cracked do a head gasket. If it is cracked, part out or scrap the car. On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 3:46 PM, John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote: There is another (odd!) mode of failure; I had a 617 weep out of the passenger side of the head/block interface when the engine got good and hot. I attribute it to the DPO putting green in the radiator. I finally noticed the yellowish trails down the side of the block from the stuff left behind by evaporation. -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On May 1, 2013, at 19:59, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: So how do I at home troubleshoot a blown headgasket? Driving to work yesterday my '78 240D started to heat up in heavy traffic, once I was moving it was okay, I cranked the heat which blew hot and got it to work. At lunch I added maybe a quart of coolant which brought it up to just below the neck of the radiator. On the way home the temp started to rise, again in heavy traffic, so I pulled over and added (fortunately I'd left the cap loose) most of a gallon(!) of water. I got home but the temp would tend to creep up (slowly) if I stood still. When I got home I got most of another gallon(!) of water into it... Today Angie went to take it to work and it started to heat up again after not much distance. In playing with it I find I can put coolant it but it bubbles right out of the neck of the radiator again. Playing some more I put my mity-vac on the overflow port, put my palm (with rubber gloves on) over the fill hole and dragged the radiator down to 10 of Hg which compressed the upper radiator hose good and didn't seem to leak out other than where it leaked around my hand and around the mity-vac. As another point I can't get hot air out of the heater... I have 2 current theories: #1. The headgasket is toast. Since the car is fairly rusty this means the car is toast, its not worth a headgasket. #2. The thermostat has stuck shut but this doesn't explain coolant bubbling out of the radiator neck... No rising oil level, no white plume out the back, no excessive coolant smell out either the back or in the oil. Angie wants to buy a diesel Jetta, I don't want that big car payment but I'm tired of screwing around with cars and I guess if it came down to a Ford Fiesta I'd prefer the Jetta although I should go drive one before I say that. -Curt -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Headgasket: while I'm there
Okay Dimitri's enthusiasm has spurred me to think about replacing the headgasket on my '78 240D so I'm now looking at the while I'm there list. If I've got to go that far into the engine what else should I probably be doing? Thus far I'm thinking timing chain and guides, anything else to put on the list? I've already replaced the radiator and the hoses are fairly recent... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Headgasket: while I'm there
When I replaced my timing chain this winter, I didn't end up replacing the large banana rail and left lower guide due to access issues. With the head off, I imagine that they are accessible. I have these two parts new in wrapper ready to donate if you want Sent from my iPhone On May 2, 2013, at 9:09 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Okay Dimitri's enthusiasm has spurred me to think about replacing the headgasket on my '78 240D so I'm now looking at the while I'm there list. If I've got to go that far into the engine what else should I probably be doing? Thus far I'm thinking timing chain and guides, anything else to put on the list? I've already replaced the radiator and the hoses are fairly recent... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Headgasket: while I'm there
SOLD! Anything else? I'll need to order parts soon to be ready for next weekend... -Curt Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 10:07:19 -0400 From: dsereta...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Headgasket: while I'm there Message-ID: 5f8b42ed-c8da-4db7-a9b0-e41d8d8cd...@yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii When I replaced my timing chain this winter, I didn't end up replacing the large banana rail and left lower guide due to access issues. With the head off, I imagine that they are accessible. I have these two parts new in wrapper ready to donate if you want Sent from my iPhone On May 2, 2013, at 9:09 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Okay Dimitri's enthusiasm has spurred me to think about replacing the headgasket on my '78 240D so I'm now looking at the while I'm there list. If I've got to go that far into the engine what else should I probably be doing? Thus far I'm thinking timing chain and guides, anything else to put on the list? I've already replaced the radiator and the hoses are fairly recent... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Headgasket: while I'm there
On Thu, 2 May 2013 10:02:28 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: SOLD! Anything else? I'll need to order parts soon to be ready for next weekend... Intake and exhaust manifold gaskets? Oil filter to block gasket? Block heater? V-belts? Thermostat? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Headgasket: while I'm there
Should be in the headset. How about spare bolts/nuts for the exhaust pipe? Hose for between the t'stat and WP? Seals for Inj nozzle holders? On Thu, 2 May 2013 10:02:28 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: SOLD! Anything else? I'll need to order parts soon to be ready for next weekend... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Headgasket: while I'm there
New head bolts? Do those get replaced? Sent from my iPhone On May 2, 2013, at 1:02 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: SOLD! Anything else? I'll need to order parts soon to be ready for next weekend... -Curt Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 10:07:19 -0400 From: dsereta...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Headgasket: while I'm there Message-ID: 5f8b42ed-c8da-4db7-a9b0-e41d8d8cd...@yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii When I replaced my timing chain this winter, I didn't end up replacing the large banana rail and left lower guide due to access issues. With the head off, I imagine that they are accessible. I have these two parts new in wrapper ready to donate if you want Sent from my iPhone On May 2, 2013, at 9:09 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Okay Dimitri's enthusiasm has spurred me to think about replacing the headgasket on my '78 240D so I'm now looking at the while I'm there list. If I've got to go that far into the engine what else should I probably be doing? Thus far I'm thinking timing chain and guides, anything else to put on the list? I've already replaced the radiator and the hoses are fairly recent... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Headgasket: while I'm there
Turbo drain at the block is gonna be virtually free. When I pulled the head on one of mine, I left the manifolds attached. Don't forget to buy a new chain tensioner gasket. -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On May 2, 2013, at 15:16, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Thu, 2 May 2013 10:02:28 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: SOLD! Anything else? I'll need to order parts soon to be ready for next weekend... Intake and exhaust manifold gaskets? Oil filter to block gasket? Block heater? V-belts? Thermostat? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Headgasket: while I'm there
You need to mic 'em out and if they are too long they go in the bin. (They can be used until they reach their stretch limit) Another freebie would be cam towers, and if you were really feeling bold, valve seals -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On May 2, 2013, at 17:18, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: New head bolts? Do those get replaced? Sent from my iPhone On May 2, 2013, at 1:02 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: SOLD! Anything else? I'll need to order parts soon to be ready for next weekend... -Curt Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 10:07:19 -0400 From: dsereta...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Headgasket: while I'm there Message-ID: 5f8b42ed-c8da-4db7-a9b0-e41d8d8cd...@yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii When I replaced my timing chain this winter, I didn't end up replacing the large banana rail and left lower guide due to access issues. With the head off, I imagine that they are accessible. I have these two parts new in wrapper ready to donate if you want Sent from my iPhone On May 2, 2013, at 9:09 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Okay Dimitri's enthusiasm has spurred me to think about replacing the headgasket on my '78 240D so I'm now looking at the while I'm there list. If I've got to go that far into the engine what else should I probably be doing? Thus far I'm thinking timing chain and guides, anything else to put on the list? I've already replaced the radiator and the hoses are fairly recent... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Headgasket?
There is another (odd!) mode of failure; I had a 617 weep out of the passenger side of the head/block interface when the engine got good and hot. I attribute it to the DPO putting green in the radiator. I finally noticed the yellowish trails down the side of the block from the stuff left behind by evaporation. -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On May 1, 2013, at 19:59, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: So how do I at home troubleshoot a blown headgasket? Driving to work yesterday my '78 240D started to heat up in heavy traffic, once I was moving it was okay, I cranked the heat which blew hot and got it to work. At lunch I added maybe a quart of coolant which brought it up to just below the neck of the radiator. On the way home the temp started to rise, again in heavy traffic, so I pulled over and added (fortunately I'd left the cap loose) most of a gallon(!) of water. I got home but the temp would tend to creep up (slowly) if I stood still. When I got home I got most of another gallon(!) of water into it... Today Angie went to take it to work and it started to heat up again after not much distance. In playing with it I find I can put coolant it but it bubbles right out of the neck of the radiator again. Playing some more I put my mity-vac on the overflow port, put my palm (with rubber gloves on) over the fill hole and dragged the radiator down to 10 of Hg which compressed the upper radiator hose good and didn't seem to leak out other than where it leaked around my hand and around the mity-vac. As another point I can't get hot air out of the heater... I have 2 current theories: #1. The headgasket is toast. Since the car is fairly rusty this means the car is toast, its not worth a headgasket. #2. The thermostat has stuck shut but this doesn't explain coolant bubbling out of the radiator neck... No rising oil level, no white plume out the back, no excessive coolant smell out either the back or in the oil. Angie wants to buy a diesel Jetta, I don't want that big car payment but I'm tired of screwing around with cars and I guess if it came down to a Ford Fiesta I'd prefer the Jetta although I should go drive one before I say that. -Curt -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The gasket sets I've looked at all include the manifold gaskets. Oil filter to block is a common leak point yes? I don't see a big leak there now but I'd presume its at least easier to get at while doing the headgasket and the gasket is probably cheap. Thermostat is a good idea, thanks! -Curt Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 13:16:04 -0600 From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Headgasket: while I'm there Message-ID: 20130502131604.b4942d2b2cac05f370b4b...@pisquared.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 2 May 2013 10:02:28 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: SOLD! Anything else? I'll need to order parts soon to be ready for next weekend... Intake and exhaust manifold gaskets? Oil filter to block gasket? Block heater? V-belts? Thermostat? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Seals for the injectors is also a good idea. Hose for between the t'stat and WP? is an EXCELLENT idea because on this car is BURIED behind the AC compressor mountings and would be a right bastard to replace. -Curt Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 15:28:13 -0500 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Headgasket: while I'm there Message-ID: a06240884cda87c7b3b85@[192.168.0.108] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed Should be in the headset. How about spare bolts/nuts for the exhaust pipe? Hose for between the t'stat and WP? Seals for Inj nozzle holders? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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New head bolts? Do those get replaced? Sent from my iPhone Generally not on a 616, unless it has been apart before, or many times before. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Drop the oil pan and swap out the gasket. Clean the intake and exhaust manifolds. Refinish the exhaust manifold to remove rust/corrosion and give it a good painting. clay On May 2, 2013, at 6:09 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: Okay Dimitri's enthusiasm has spurred me to think about replacing the headgasket on my '78 240D so I'm now looking at the while I'm there list. If I've got to go that far into the engine what else should I probably be doing? Thus far I'm thinking timing chain and guides, anything else to put on the list? I've already replaced the radiator and the hoses are fairly recent... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Headgasket?
So how do I at home troubleshoot a blown headgasket? Driving to work yesterday my '78 240D started to heat up in heavy traffic, once I was moving it was okay, I cranked the heat which blew hot and got it to work. At lunch I added maybe a quart of coolant which brought it up to just below the neck of the radiator. On the way home the temp started to rise, again in heavy traffic, so I pulled over and added (fortunately I'd left the cap loose) most of a gallon(!) of water. I got home but the temp would tend to creep up (slowly) if I stood still. When I got home I got most of another gallon(!) of water into it... Today Angie went to take it to work and it started to heat up again after not much distance. In playing with it I find I can put coolant it but it bubbles right out of the neck of the radiator again. Playing some more I put my mity-vac on the overflow port, put my palm (with rubber gloves on) over the fill hole and dragged the radiator down to 10 of Hg which compressed the upper radiator hose good and didn't seem to leak out other than where it leaked around my hand and around the mity-vac. As another point I can't get hot air out of the heater... I have 2 current theories: #1. The headgasket is toast. Since the car is fairly rusty this means the car is toast, its not worth a headgasket. #2. The thermostat has stuck shut but this doesn't explain coolant bubbling out of the radiator neck... No rising oil level, no white plume out the back, no excessive coolant smell out either the back or in the oil. Angie wants to buy a diesel Jetta, I don't want that big car payment but I'm tired of screwing around with cars and I guess if it came down to a Ford Fiesta I'd prefer the Jetta although I should go drive one before I say that. -Curt -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Send oil sample to Larry, lab can pick up presence of glycol in oil. That narrows it to cracked head or blown head gasket. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: So how do I at home troubleshoot a blown headgasket? Driving to work yesterday my '78 240D started to heat up in heavy traffic, once I was moving it was okay, I cranked the heat which blew hot and got it to work. At lunch I added maybe a quart of coolant which brought it up to just below the neck of the radiator. On the way home the temp started to rise, again in heavy traffic, so I pulled over and added (fortunately I'd left the cap loose) most of a gallon(!) of water. I got home but the temp would tend to creep up (slowly) if I stood still. When I got home I got most of another gallon(!) of water into it... Today Angie went to take it to work and it started to heat up again after not much distance. In playing with it I find I can put coolant it but it bubbles right out of the neck of the radiator again. Playing some more I put my mity-vac on the overflow port, put my palm (with rubber gloves on) over the fill hole and dragged the radiator down to 10 of Hg which compressed the upper radiator hose good and didn't seem to leak out other than where it leaked around my hand and around the mity-vac. As another point I can't get hot air out of the heater... I have 2 current theories: #1. The headgasket is toast. Since the car is fairly rusty this means the car is toast, its not worth a headgasket. #2. The thermostat has stuck shut but this doesn't explain coolant bubbling out of the radiator neck... No rising oil level, no white plume out the back, no excessive coolant smell out either the back or in the oil. Angie wants to buy a diesel Jetta, I don't want that big car payment but I'm tired of screwing around with cars and I guess if it came down to a Ford Fiesta I'd prefer the Jetta although I should go drive one before I say that. -Curt -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 5/2/13, Curt Raymond wrote: In playing with it I find I can put coolant it but it bubbles right out of the neck of the radiator again. Cracked radiator neck perhaps? It might hold a vacuum but maybe not pressure... Also: not sure on the 616, but the early 617 engines had a bleed screw on the thermostat cover. If you don't bleed, the thermostat may not open properly. So if you have a leak and lots of air gets in you'll need to bleed the air trapped in the thermostat cover. And of course make sure you open the heater valve... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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If I read between the lines correctly, head gasket is leaking, stage 1. At stage 1, the coolant is pushed out the coolant overflow, hot exhaust gases are under much more pressure than the coolant pressure so the pressure wave of the cylinders keeps coolant pushed out of the cylinders. The combustion pressure leaking into the coolant over pressurizes the radiator cap and cooling system while it adds LOADS of heat [being combustion gases] This blows coolant out and shows as an overheat with bubbles in the radiator cap hole when you take off the cap with engine running. [Caution there please] Since head gaskets are not self healing, next step is Stage 2 where the gasket fails over a larger area and coolant is drawn into the combustion chamber and blown out the exhaust pipe in white smoke [steam] Stage 3 follows with volumes of coolant flooding into the cylinders, being blown past the rings, mixing with the oil system and showing up as milky oil. Stage 4 follows where the engine goes terminal due to the combination of overheat, loss of lubrication to cylinder walls from oil being washed off the rings and piston skirts, and then the Kryptonite of engines.. oil and water for lubrication in the main crank journals.. Keep AAA card handy.. let us know where to send the flowers and to what funeral home for dead cars. Sorry for your troubles. Grant... On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 5:42 PM, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote: On 5/2/13, Curt Raymond wrote: In playing with it I find I can put coolant it but it bubbles right out of the neck of the radiator again. Cracked radiator neck perhaps? It might hold a vacuum but maybe not pressure... Also: not sure on the 616, but the early 617 engines had a bleed screw on the thermostat cover. If you don't bleed, the thermostat may not open properly. So if you have a leak and lots of air gets in you'll need to bleed the air trapped in the thermostat cover. And of course make sure you open the heater valve... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I had planned to do that after the massive overheat back in December but never got to it. Considering the amount of water thats disappearing now I think I need to just live with the fact that something upstairs (either the headgasket or head) is gone and let it go. Still I think tomorrow I'll maybe pull and test the thermostat, if its stuck I'll consider replacement. I figure the 5,000 miles I've gotten since the massive overheat a win but for some reason I can't make myself give up. Part of me says no way will I do a head gasket but if Fred or Dimitri said they'd come out and help/force me into it I'd probably do it, Q Jr. has one for $79... -Curt Date: Wed, 01 May 2013 19:20:31 -0500 From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Headgasket? Message-ID: 98fbfea0-98f0-44ed-84dd-71925f43d...@email.android.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Send oil sample to Larry, lab can pick up presence of glycol in oil. That narrows it to cracked head or blown head gasket. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Right now the coolant is all splashing out with the radiator cap off. Its an
interesting behavior, the level goes way down, then comes way up and splashes
out. If the cap is on when the engine gets warm it shoots out the overflow.
This car ('78 240D) has the bleed like you describe, the housing is marked 617.
-Curt
--- On Wed, 5/1/13, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote:
From: David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Headgasket?
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com
Date: Wednesday, May 1, 2013, 8:42 PM
On 5/2/13, Curt Raymond wrote:
In playing with it I find I can put coolant it but it
bubbles right out of the
neck of the radiator again.
Cracked radiator neck perhaps? It might hold a vacuum but
maybe not pressure...
Also: not sure on the 616, but the early 617 engines had a
bleed screw on the thermostat cover. If you don't bleed, the
thermostat may not open properly. So if you have a leak and
lots of air gets in you'll need to bleed the air trapped in
the thermostat cover. And of course make sure you open the
heater valve...
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On Wed, 1 May 2013 16:59:17 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: #2. The thermostat has stuck shut but this doesn't explain coolant #bubbling out of the radiator neck... I had a Willys Utility Wagon that once had a stuck thermostat. Its temperature went up very rapidly and the overheating and boiling of coolant was every evident. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Curt. You yawped, Sir? Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2013 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Headgasket? I had planned to do that after the massive overheat back in December but never got to it. Considering the amount of water thats disappearing now I think I need to just live with the fact that something upstairs (either the headgasket or head) is gone and let it go. Still I think tomorrow I'll maybe pull and test the thermostat, if its stuck I'll consider replacement. I figure the 5,000 miles I've gotten since the massive overheat a win but for some reason I can't make myself give up. Part of me says no way will I do a head gasket but if Fred or Dimitri said they'd come out and help/force me into it I'd probably do it, Q Jr. has one for $79... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have a pair of old school radiators that have brass tops. I think they are for the /8 BEHR, might fit the w123? or whatever we are discussing. clay On May 1, 2013, at 5:42 PM, David Bruckmann wrote: On 5/2/13, Curt Raymond wrote: In playing with it I find I can put coolant it but it bubbles right out of the neck of the radiator again. Cracked radiator neck perhaps? It might hold a vacuum but maybe not pressure... Also: not sure on the 616, but the early 617 engines had a bleed screw on the thermostat cover. If you don't bleed, the thermostat may not open properly. So if you have a leak and lots of air gets in you'll need to bleed the air trapped in the thermostat cover. And of course make sure you open the heater valve... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Just do the gasket and be done with it. I kick myself weekly for not scrounging a decent om615 or 616 when Gump ate her pistons. Took the head off, had the whole seal set ready to go, and the from cam stanchion had shorn in two, the tops of the pistons were cracked and the engine was pretty much good for scrap, or a tear down (many leaking seals). But if you can get her done for $500, go ahead and thank me later. Losing the E300 hurts, but there is no way it will ever drive again. It is parts now, and high quality, given the constant care she got over the past decade. I guess that is what really hurts. The crappy suzuki will probably get patched and back on the road, but there is no way to smack a benz back into shape enough so it does not want to drive sideways clay On May 1, 2013, at 6:49 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: I had planned to do that after the massive overheat back in December but never got to it. Considering the amount of water thats disappearing now I think I need to just live with the fact that something upstairs (either the headgasket or head) is gone and let it go. Still I think tomorrow I'll maybe pull and test the thermostat, if its stuck I'll consider replacement. I figure the 5,000 miles I've gotten since the massive overheat a win but for some reason I can't make myself give up. Part of me says no way will I do a head gasket but if Fred or Dimitri said they'd come out and help/force me into it I'd probably do it, Q Jr. has one for $79... -Curt Date: Wed, 01 May 2013 19:20:31 -0500 From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Headgasket? Message-ID: 98fbfea0-98f0-44ed-84dd-71925f43d...@email.android.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Send oil sample to Larry, lab can pick up presence of glycol in oil. That narrows it to cracked head or blown head gasket. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Well I've never done a head gasket but I'm willing to help with guidance from Fred! I think you/we should fix it. Sent from my iPhone On May 1, 2013, at 9:49 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I had planned to do that after the massive overheat back in December but never got to it. Considering the amount of water thats disappearing now I think I need to just live with the fact that something upstairs (either the headgasket or head) is gone and let it go. Still I think tomorrow I'll maybe pull and test the thermostat, if its stuck I'll consider replacement. I figure the 5,000 miles I've gotten since the massive overheat a win but for some reason I can't make myself give up. Part of me says no way will I do a head gasket but if Fred or Dimitri said they'd come out and help/force me into it I'd probably do it, Q Jr. has one for $79... -Curt Date: Wed, 01 May 2013 19:20:31 -0500 From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Headgasket? Message-ID: 98fbfea0-98f0-44ed-84dd-71925f43d...@email.android.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Send oil sample to Larry, lab can pick up presence of glycol in oil. That narrows it to cracked head or blown head gasket. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
