Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA
national association of clock and clock and clock and clock and clock and clock and watch and clock and clock and clock and clock and clock collectors is how i remember it On 10/11/06, Stephen D Murrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Just joined MBCA; ( paid for 1 year, so i will see what it is like?) yes i hope they don't have a bunch of OLD FARTS, COCKY, like in the National Association of Watch & clock collectors; i am 58 yrs old Steve from Central Okla. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Bwaaaahaaa, the 37th and 43rd legislative races are a hoot! On 10/10/06, Redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Then again, the GOP has a bunch of old farts out here. Hard to find somebody without geritol at gatherings. Nice to see that the GOP is funding young punks from the local University for their ticket this fall. At least the dems will have somebody to run against Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state" '87 300TD intercooler/propane injection #22 (219k) '84 300D (218k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA
Bunch of old farts around here that are involved in the club activities. There are a bunch of new members every month, but I think they are old farts too. It would be interesting to have a few more youngsters with kids show up and make it look like there is a future for the club with the younger set. Then again, the GOP has a bunch of old farts out here. Hard to find somebody without geritol at gatherings. Nice to see that the GOP is funding young punks from the local University for their ticket this fall. At least the dems will have somebody to run against On Oct 10, 2006, at 10:44 PM, Stephen D Murrell wrote: Just joined MBCA; ( paid for 1 year, so i will see what it is like?) yes i hope they don't have a bunch of OLD FARTS, COCKY, like in the National Association of Watch & clock collectors; i am 58 yrs old Steve from Central Okla. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
[MBZ] JOINED MBCA
Just joined MBCA; ( paid for 1 year, so i will see what it is like?) yes i hope they don't have a bunch of OLD FARTS, COCKY, like in the National Association of Watch & clock collectors; i am 58 yrs old Steve from Central Okla.
Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA
Welcome to Washington State where that is the way to get your gal elected. On Oct 10, 2006, at 1:16 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: If Chuck somehow "loses" the MBCA DAL election, I will demand however many recounts it takes to declare him a winner. On 10/10/06, Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Dave, Just to be clear... I said to Gary: "We both like what we like and still keep liking Benzes, old and new." I've owned both!Most of all, I enjoy having many Benz owners as friends... The cars are what has engendered those friendships.. I didn't say "that we all like old and new Benzes". To each his own... Take care, Chuck Phoenix AZ Don't know whether my cars are classified "new" or "old" and don't care. I know I like them both... 1992 500E 1986 190E 2.3 16V On Oct 10, 2006, at 12:50 PM, dave walton wrote: Excuse me for jumping in here, but your statement that we all like old and new Benzes indicates that you are out of touch with a significant number of Mercedes Owners. I can say from personal experience that the "New" Benzes hold very little in common with the "Old" Benzes. And that is NOT a compliment. -Dave Walton 87SDL, 94S350, 99E300 On 10/9/06, Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hey Gary, Have a good tomorrow.. We all make decisions and I wasn't trying to change your mind... Maybe we can shake and have a brew someday and say we both done good..!!! Take care, Chuck Phoenix AZ 1992 500E 1986 190E 2.3 16V... PS. Yup, it is insane.. We both like what we like and still keep liking Benzes, old and new! On Oct 9, 2006, at 8:50 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: well, yeah, y'know, that's your thing. and my tomorrow thing doesn't involve MBCA. this is pretty insane. it's like i have to justify why i don't eat mashed potatoes. I don't like mashed potatoes. i don't like mbca. i don't mess with either. i like old mercedes cars. i like the internet. i like old cameras. i like old watches. i like my crappy imac. i like poker. i like the six string bass guitar, even though i suck at it. i like futbol. i like diet mountain dew. i mess with all these things. i wish i had more time to mess with them, but i don't have enough time to do enough messing with the things i like. why then would i want to mess with things i don't particularly like? i'm just a simple guy like this On 10/9/06, Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Gary, I can't deal with yesterday. All my attention is on TOMORROW! Chuck Phoenix, AZ On Oct 9, 2006, at 8:35 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: i never took them seriously. Like most bullies, they are all huff and bluff. it's just sick that officials of an organization would engage in this sort of behavior. what kind of organization even tolerates such people let alone assigns them positions of responsiblity? why would i want anything to do with such an organization? i very well might be missing the point completely, but it makes no sense to me to mess with this organization. On 10/9/06, Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If my buddy narced me out to the freakin FBI for something I did not do I would NEVER forgive him.Eight years or 80 that is just wrong. Mike - Original Message - From: "Chuck Landenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA Gary, If a buddy of yours did something that hurt you personally EIGHT years ago, would you still not talk to him today... MBCA is a club that has endured some bad times and the times "they are achangin'". The Peachtree Section has lots of very nice events and you might even find a few customers Just an opinion. Chuck Phoenix AZ On Oct 9, 2006, at 6:40 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: I thought it was a pretty well known story, but i will tell my version of it anyway. once upon a time, there was a mailing list for MBCA members. It was a fairly benign list, but some of the content seemed to offend George Murphy, who then shut down the list. This really rubbed me the wrong way. The list belongs to the members, not to George. It struck me as the ultimate in hubris, in irresponsiblity, in ugliness, in foul play, etc, that George just shut down that list. So i suggested that it would behoove the members to "elliminate" George as I felt someone like this had no business in a position of any club responsibility. I was then contacted by MBCA counsel Robert Beltz who, in an official capacity, informed me that this statement regarding George is being treated as a death threat and that the FBI has been brought in to investigate. so i'm thinking that t
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Thanks, Andrew Appreciate your support Take care, Chuck On Oct 10, 2006, at 1:16 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: If Chuck somehow "loses" the MBCA DAL election, I will demand however many recounts it takes to declare him a winner. On 10/10/06, Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Dave, Just to be clear... I said to Gary: "We both like what we like and still keep liking Benzes, old and new." I've owned both!Most of all, I enjoy having many Benz owners as friends... The cars are what has engendered those friendships.. I didn't say "that we all like old and new Benzes". To each his own... Take care, Chuck Phoenix AZ Don't know whether my cars are classified "new" or "old" and don't care. I know I like them both... 1992 500E 1986 190E 2.3 16V On Oct 10, 2006, at 12:50 PM, dave walton wrote: Excuse me for jumping in here, but your statement that we all like old and new Benzes indicates that you are out of touch with a significant number of Mercedes Owners. I can say from personal experience that the "New" Benzes hold very little in common with the "Old" Benzes. And that is NOT a compliment. -Dave Walton 87SDL, 94S350, 99E300 On 10/9/06, Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hey Gary, Have a good tomorrow.. We all make decisions and I wasn't trying to change your mind... Maybe we can shake and have a brew someday and say we both done good..!!! Take care, Chuck Phoenix AZ 1992 500E 1986 190E 2.3 16V... PS. Yup, it is insane.. We both like what we like and still keep liking Benzes, old and new! On Oct 9, 2006, at 8:50 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: well, yeah, y'know, that's your thing. and my tomorrow thing doesn't involve MBCA. this is pretty insane. it's like i have to justify why i don't eat mashed potatoes. I don't like mashed potatoes. i don't like mbca. i don't mess with either. i like old mercedes cars. i like the internet. i like old cameras. i like old watches. i like my crappy imac. i like poker. i like the six string bass guitar, even though i suck at it. i like futbol. i like diet mountain dew. i mess with all these things. i wish i had more time to mess with them, but i don't have enough time to do enough messing with the things i like. why then would i want to mess with things i don't particularly like? i'm just a simple guy like this On 10/9/06, Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Gary, I can't deal with yesterday. All my attention is on TOMORROW! Chuck Phoenix, AZ On Oct 9, 2006, at 8:35 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: i never took them seriously. Like most bullies, they are all huff and bluff. it's just sick that officials of an organization would engage in this sort of behavior. what kind of organization even tolerates such people let alone assigns them positions of responsiblity? why would i want anything to do with such an organization? i very well might be missing the point completely, but it makes no sense to me to mess with this organization. On 10/9/06, Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If my buddy narced me out to the freakin FBI for something I did not do I would NEVER forgive him.Eight years or 80 that is just wrong. Mike - Original Message - From: "Chuck Landenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA Gary, If a buddy of yours did something that hurt you personally EIGHT years ago, would you still not talk to him today... MBCA is a club that has endured some bad times and the times "they are achangin'". The Peachtree Section has lots of very nice events and you might even find a few customers Just an opinion. Chuck Phoenix AZ On Oct 9, 2006, at 6:40 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: I thought it was a pretty well known story, but i will tell my version of it anyway. once upon a time, there was a mailing list for MBCA members. It was a fairly benign list, but some of the content seemed to offend George Murphy, who then shut down the list. This really rubbed me the wrong way. The list belongs to the members, not to George. It struck me as the ultimate in hubris, in irresponsiblity, in ugliness, in foul play, etc, that George just shut down that list. So i suggested that it would behoove the members to "elliminate" George as I felt someone like this had no business in a position of any club responsibility. I was then contacted by MBCA counsel Robert Beltz who, in an official capacity, informed me that this statement regarding George is being treated as a death threat and that the FBI has been brought in to investigate. so i&
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yes, that is something i can agree with! On 10/10/06, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If Chuck somehow "loses" the MBCA DAL election, I will demand however many recounts it takes to declare him a winner. On 10/10/06, Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Dave, > > Just to be clear... I said to Gary: "We both like what we like and > still keep liking Benzes, old and new." I've owned both!Most of > all, I enjoy having many Benz owners as friends... The cars are what > has engendered those friendships.. > > I didn't say "that we all like old and new Benzes". > > To each his own... > > Take care, > > Chuck > Phoenix AZ > Don't know whether my cars are classified "new" or "old" and don't > care. I know I like them both... > 1992 500E > 1986 190E 2.3 16V > > > On Oct 10, 2006, at 12:50 PM, dave walton wrote: > > > Excuse me for jumping in here, but your statement that we all like old > > and new Benzes indicates that you are out of touch with a significant > > number of Mercedes Owners. I can say from personal experience that the > > "New" Benzes hold very little in common with the "Old" Benzes. And > > that is NOT a compliment. > > > > -Dave Walton > > 87SDL, 94S350, 99E300 > > > > On 10/9/06, Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Hey Gary, > >> > >> Have a good tomorrow.. We all make decisions and I wasn't > >> trying to change your mind... > >> > >> Maybe we can shake and have a brew someday and say we both done > >> good..!!! > >> > >> Take care, > >> > >> Chuck > >> Phoenix AZ > >> 1992 500E > >> 1986 190E 2.3 16V... > >> > >> PS. Yup, it is insane.. We both like what we like and > >> still keep liking Benzes, old and new! > >> > >> On Oct 9, 2006, at 8:50 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: > >> > >>> well, yeah, y'know, that's your thing. and my tomorrow thing > >>> doesn't > >>> involve MBCA. > >>> > >>> this is pretty insane. it's like i have to justify why i don't eat > >>> mashed > >>> potatoes. I don't like mashed potatoes. i don't like mbca. i > >>> don't mess > >>> with either. > >>> > >>> i like old mercedes cars. i like the internet. i like old > >>> cameras. i like > >>> old watches. i like my crappy imac. i like poker. i like the > >>> six string > >>> bass guitar, even though i suck at it. i like futbol. i like diet > >>> mountain > >>> dew. i mess with all these things. i wish i had more time to mess > >>> with > >>> them, but i don't have enough time to do enough messing with the > >>> things i > >>> like. why then would i want to mess with things i don't > >>> particularly like? > >>> > >>> i'm just a simple guy like this > >>> > >>> > >>> On 10/9/06, Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Gary, > >>>> > >>>> I can't deal with yesterday. All my attention is on > >>>> TOMORROW! > >>>> > >>>> Chuck > >>>> Phoenix, AZ > >>>> > >>>> On Oct 9, 2006, at 8:35 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> i never took them seriously. Like most bullies, they are all > >>>>> huff and > >>>>> bluff. > >>>>> > >>>>> it's just sick that officials of an organization would engage in > >>>>> this sort > >>>>> of behavior. what kind of organization even tolerates such people > >>>>> let alone > >>>>> assigns them positions of responsiblity? why would i want > >>>>> anything > >>>>> to do > >>>>> with such an organization? > >>>>> > >>>>> i very well might be missing the point completely, but it makes no > >>>>> sense to > >>>>> me to mess with this organization. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On 10/9/06, Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>>
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Sorry, my bad... It is odd that the older the Benzes I buy, the fewer problems I have with them. Exactly opposite from what I first expected. -Dave Walton 87SDL, 94S350, 99E300 On 10/10/06, Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Dave, Just to be clear... I said to Gary: "We both like what we like and still keep liking Benzes, old and new." I've owned both!Most of all, I enjoy having many Benz owners as friends... The cars are what has engendered those friendships.. I didn't say "that we all like old and new Benzes". To each his own... Take care, Chuck Phoenix AZ Don't know whether my cars are classified "new" or "old" and don't care. I know I like them both... 1992 500E 1986 190E 2.3 16V On Oct 10, 2006, at 12:50 PM, dave walton wrote: > Excuse me for jumping in here, but your statement that we all like old > and new Benzes indicates that you are out of touch with a significant > number of Mercedes Owners. I can say from personal experience that the > "New" Benzes hold very little in common with the "Old" Benzes. And > that is NOT a compliment. > > -Dave Walton > 87SDL, 94S350, 99E300 > > On 10/9/06, Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hey Gary, >> >> Have a good tomorrow.. We all make decisions and I wasn't >> trying to change your mind... >> >> Maybe we can shake and have a brew someday and say we both done >> good..!!! >> >> Take care, >> >> Chuck >> Phoenix AZ >> 1992 500E >> 1986 190E 2.3 16V... >> >> PS. Yup, it is insane.. We both like what we like and >> still keep liking Benzes, old and new! >> >> On Oct 9, 2006, at 8:50 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: >> >>> well, yeah, y'know, that's your thing. and my tomorrow thing >>> doesn't >>> involve MBCA. >>> >>> this is pretty insane. it's like i have to justify why i don't eat >>> mashed >>> potatoes. I don't like mashed potatoes. i don't like mbca. i >>> don't mess >>> with either. >>> >>> i like old mercedes cars. i like the internet. i like old >>> cameras. i like >>> old watches. i like my crappy imac. i like poker. i like the >>> six string >>> bass guitar, even though i suck at it. i like futbol. i like diet >>> mountain >>> dew. i mess with all these things. i wish i had more time to mess >>> with >>> them, but i don't have enough time to do enough messing with the >>> things i >>> like. why then would i want to mess with things i don't >>> particularly like? >>> >>> i'm just a simple guy like this >>> >>> >>> On 10/9/06, Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Gary, >>>> >>>> I can't deal with yesterday. All my attention is on >>>> TOMORROW! >>>> >>>> Chuck >>>> Phoenix, AZ >>>> >>>> On Oct 9, 2006, at 8:35 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: >>>> >>>>> i never took them seriously. Like most bullies, they are all >>>>> huff and >>>>> bluff. >>>>> >>>>> it's just sick that officials of an organization would engage in >>>>> this sort >>>>> of behavior. what kind of organization even tolerates such people >>>>> let alone >>>>> assigns them positions of responsiblity? why would i want >>>>> anything >>>>> to do >>>>> with such an organization? >>>>> >>>>> i very well might be missing the point completely, but it makes no >>>>> sense to >>>>> me to mess with this organization. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 10/9/06, Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> If my buddy narced me out to the freakin FBI for something I did >>>>>> not do I >>>>>> would NEVER forgive him.Eight years or 80 that is just wrong. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mike >>>>>> - Original Message - >>>>>> From: "Chuck Landenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" >>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 10:36 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] JOINED MB
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If Chuck somehow "loses" the MBCA DAL election, I will demand however many recounts it takes to declare him a winner. On 10/10/06, Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Dave, Just to be clear... I said to Gary: "We both like what we like and still keep liking Benzes, old and new." I've owned both!Most of all, I enjoy having many Benz owners as friends... The cars are what has engendered those friendships.. I didn't say "that we all like old and new Benzes". To each his own... Take care, Chuck Phoenix AZ Don't know whether my cars are classified "new" or "old" and don't care. I know I like them both... 1992 500E 1986 190E 2.3 16V On Oct 10, 2006, at 12:50 PM, dave walton wrote: > Excuse me for jumping in here, but your statement that we all like old > and new Benzes indicates that you are out of touch with a significant > number of Mercedes Owners. I can say from personal experience that the > "New" Benzes hold very little in common with the "Old" Benzes. And > that is NOT a compliment. > > -Dave Walton > 87SDL, 94S350, 99E300 > > On 10/9/06, Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hey Gary, >> >> Have a good tomorrow.. We all make decisions and I wasn't >> trying to change your mind... >> >> Maybe we can shake and have a brew someday and say we both done >> good..!!! >> >> Take care, >> >> Chuck >> Phoenix AZ >> 1992 500E >> 1986 190E 2.3 16V... >> >> PS. Yup, it is insane.. We both like what we like and >> still keep liking Benzes, old and new! >> >> On Oct 9, 2006, at 8:50 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: >> >>> well, yeah, y'know, that's your thing. and my tomorrow thing >>> doesn't >>> involve MBCA. >>> >>> this is pretty insane. it's like i have to justify why i don't eat >>> mashed >>> potatoes. I don't like mashed potatoes. i don't like mbca. i >>> don't mess >>> with either. >>> >>> i like old mercedes cars. i like the internet. i like old >>> cameras. i like >>> old watches. i like my crappy imac. i like poker. i like the >>> six string >>> bass guitar, even though i suck at it. i like futbol. i like diet >>> mountain >>> dew. i mess with all these things. i wish i had more time to mess >>> with >>> them, but i don't have enough time to do enough messing with the >>> things i >>> like. why then would i want to mess with things i don't >>> particularly like? >>> >>> i'm just a simple guy like this >>> >>> >>> On 10/9/06, Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Gary, >>>> >>>> I can't deal with yesterday. All my attention is on >>>> TOMORROW! >>>> >>>> Chuck >>>> Phoenix, AZ >>>> >>>> On Oct 9, 2006, at 8:35 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: >>>> >>>>> i never took them seriously. Like most bullies, they are all >>>>> huff and >>>>> bluff. >>>>> >>>>> it's just sick that officials of an organization would engage in >>>>> this sort >>>>> of behavior. what kind of organization even tolerates such people >>>>> let alone >>>>> assigns them positions of responsiblity? why would i want >>>>> anything >>>>> to do >>>>> with such an organization? >>>>> >>>>> i very well might be missing the point completely, but it makes no >>>>> sense to >>>>> me to mess with this organization. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 10/9/06, Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> If my buddy narced me out to the freakin FBI for something I did >>>>>> not do I >>>>>> would NEVER forgive him.Eight years or 80 that is just wrong. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mike >>>>>> - Original Message - >>>>>> From: "Chuck Landenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" >>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 10:36 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA >>>>>> >>>>>> >&
Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA
Hi Dave, Just to be clear... I said to Gary: "We both like what we like and still keep liking Benzes, old and new." I've owned both!Most of all, I enjoy having many Benz owners as friends... The cars are what has engendered those friendships.. I didn't say "that we all like old and new Benzes". To each his own... Take care, Chuck Phoenix AZ Don't know whether my cars are classified "new" or "old" and don't care. I know I like them both... 1992 500E 1986 190E 2.3 16V On Oct 10, 2006, at 12:50 PM, dave walton wrote: Excuse me for jumping in here, but your statement that we all like old and new Benzes indicates that you are out of touch with a significant number of Mercedes Owners. I can say from personal experience that the "New" Benzes hold very little in common with the "Old" Benzes. And that is NOT a compliment. -Dave Walton 87SDL, 94S350, 99E300 On 10/9/06, Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hey Gary, Have a good tomorrow.. We all make decisions and I wasn't trying to change your mind... Maybe we can shake and have a brew someday and say we both done good..!!! Take care, Chuck Phoenix AZ 1992 500E 1986 190E 2.3 16V... PS. Yup, it is insane.. We both like what we like and still keep liking Benzes, old and new! On Oct 9, 2006, at 8:50 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: well, yeah, y'know, that's your thing. and my tomorrow thing doesn't involve MBCA. this is pretty insane. it's like i have to justify why i don't eat mashed potatoes. I don't like mashed potatoes. i don't like mbca. i don't mess with either. i like old mercedes cars. i like the internet. i like old cameras. i like old watches. i like my crappy imac. i like poker. i like the six string bass guitar, even though i suck at it. i like futbol. i like diet mountain dew. i mess with all these things. i wish i had more time to mess with them, but i don't have enough time to do enough messing with the things i like. why then would i want to mess with things i don't particularly like? i'm just a simple guy like this On 10/9/06, Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Gary, I can't deal with yesterday. All my attention is on TOMORROW! Chuck Phoenix, AZ On Oct 9, 2006, at 8:35 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: i never took them seriously. Like most bullies, they are all huff and bluff. it's just sick that officials of an organization would engage in this sort of behavior. what kind of organization even tolerates such people let alone assigns them positions of responsiblity? why would i want anything to do with such an organization? i very well might be missing the point completely, but it makes no sense to me to mess with this organization. On 10/9/06, Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If my buddy narced me out to the freakin FBI for something I did not do I would NEVER forgive him.Eight years or 80 that is just wrong. Mike - Original Message - From: "Chuck Landenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA Gary, If a buddy of yours did something that hurt you personally EIGHT years ago, would you still not talk to him today... MBCA is a club that has endured some bad times and the times "they are achangin'". The Peachtree Section has lots of very nice events and you might even find a few customers Just an opinion. Chuck Phoenix AZ On Oct 9, 2006, at 6:40 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: I thought it was a pretty well known story, but i will tell my version of it anyway. once upon a time, there was a mailing list for MBCA members. It was a fairly benign list, but some of the content seemed to offend George Murphy, who then shut down the list. This really rubbed me the wrong way. The list belongs to the members, not to George. It struck me as the ultimate in hubris, in irresponsiblity, in ugliness, in foul play, etc, that George just shut down that list. So i suggested that it would behoove the members to "elliminate" George as I felt someone like this had no business in a position of any club responsibility. I was then contacted by MBCA counsel Robert Beltz who, in an official capacity, informed me that this statement regarding George is being treated as a death threat and that the FBI has been brought in to investigate. so i'm thinking that the MBCA members are paying this guy a couple of hundred bucks an hour to threaten me because i hurt george's feelings by. What kind of people are these MBCA representatives? It was just too sick a freakshow for me to be involved in, which is saying a lot as few people love a sick freakshow more than I do. B
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The current Star Magazine says that a new publisher is taking over starting with the next issue. On 10/10/06, Hendrik Riessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ooooh, well I suppose when that sort of money is involved people will do all sorts of nasty things to squeeze the goose that lays the golden eggs. Sounds to me like there are not enough checks and balances in place to keep things fair and honest. Hopefully the club can sort itself out and concentrate on promoting fellowship between Merc owners. - Original Message - From: "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 10:40 PM > Here's a short quote from some of the email from back then <<"Toad Hall > and > Frank Barrett reap > over $300,000 in profits while the club swims in the red ink of a deficit > of > about the same amount. Coincidence? I think not.">> > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Excuse me for jumping in here, but your statement that we all like old and new Benzes indicates that you are out of touch with a significant number of Mercedes Owners. I can say from personal experience that the "New" Benzes hold very little in common with the "Old" Benzes. And that is NOT a compliment. -Dave Walton 87SDL, 94S350, 99E300 On 10/9/06, Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hey Gary, Have a good tomorrow.. We all make decisions and I wasn't trying to change your mind... Maybe we can shake and have a brew someday and say we both done good..!!! Take care, Chuck Phoenix AZ 1992 500E 1986 190E 2.3 16V... PS. Yup, it is insane.. We both like what we like and still keep liking Benzes, old and new! On Oct 9, 2006, at 8:50 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: > well, yeah, y'know, that's your thing. and my tomorrow thing doesn't > involve MBCA. > > this is pretty insane. it's like i have to justify why i don't eat > mashed > potatoes. I don't like mashed potatoes. i don't like mbca. i > don't mess > with either. > > i like old mercedes cars. i like the internet. i like old > cameras. i like > old watches. i like my crappy imac. i like poker. i like the > six string > bass guitar, even though i suck at it. i like futbol. i like diet > mountain > dew. i mess with all these things. i wish i had more time to mess > with > them, but i don't have enough time to do enough messing with the > things i > like. why then would i want to mess with things i don't > particularly like? > > i'm just a simple guy like this > > > On 10/9/06, Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Gary, >> >> I can't deal with yesterday. All my attention is on >> TOMORROW! >> >> Chuck >> Phoenix, AZ >> >> On Oct 9, 2006, at 8:35 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: >> >>> i never took them seriously. Like most bullies, they are all >>> huff and >>> bluff. >>> >>> it's just sick that officials of an organization would engage in >>> this sort >>> of behavior. what kind of organization even tolerates such people >>> let alone >>> assigns them positions of responsiblity? why would i want anything >>> to do >>> with such an organization? >>> >>> i very well might be missing the point completely, but it makes no >>> sense to >>> me to mess with this organization. >>> >>> >>> On 10/9/06, Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> >>>> If my buddy narced me out to the freakin FBI for something I did >>>> not do I >>>> would NEVER forgive him.Eight years or 80 that is just wrong. >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> - Original Message - >>>> From: "Chuck Landenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" >>>> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 10:36 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA >>>> >>>> >>>>> Gary, >>>>> >>>>> If a buddy of yours did something that hurt you personally EIGHT >>>>> years ago, would you still not talk to him today... >>>>> >>>>> MBCA is a club that has endured some bad times and the times "they >>>>> are achangin'". >>>>> >>>>> The Peachtree Section has lots of very nice events and you might >>>>> even >>>>> find a few customers >>>>> >>>>> Just an opinion. >>>>> >>>>> Chuck >>>>> Phoenix AZ >>>>> On Oct 9, 2006, at 6:40 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I thought it was a pretty well known story, but i will tell my >>>>>> version of it >>>>>> anyway. >>>>>> >>>>>> once upon a time, there was a mailing list for MBCA members. It >>>>>> was a >>>>>> fairly benign list, but some of the content seemed to offend >>>>>> George >>>>>> Murphy, >>>>>> who then shut down the list. >>>>>> >>>>>> This really rubbed me the wrong way. The list belongs to the >>>>>> members, not >>>>>> to George. It struck me as the ultimate in hubris, in >>>>>> irresponsiblity, in >>>>>&g
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you'll have to pry my 8mm FN-49 battle rifle out of my cold dead hand though. On 10/10/06, Chris Kueny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Fine, I'll pick yours up when I'm there. No need to thank me. Chris K Cayce, SC - Original Message - From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA > the only thing i like less than mashed potatoes are sig pistols! > > > > On 10/10/06, Chris Kueny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> C'mon, Gary...you gotta like mashed potatoes. Everyone likes mashed >> potatoes. How can you justify not liking mashed potatoes? >> >> Chris K >> Cayce, SC >> >> > >> > this is pretty insane. it's like i have to justify why i don't eat >> mashed >> > potatoes. I don't like mashed potatoes. >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Fine, I'll pick yours up when I'm there. No need to thank me. Chris K Cayce, SC - Original Message - From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA the only thing i like less than mashed potatoes are sig pistols! On 10/10/06, Chris Kueny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: C'mon, Gary...you gotta like mashed potatoes. Everyone likes mashed potatoes. How can you justify not liking mashed potatoes? Chris K Cayce, SC > > this is pretty insane. it's like i have to justify why i don't eat mashed > potatoes. I don't like mashed potatoes. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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the only thing i like less than mashed potatoes are sig pistols! On 10/10/06, Chris Kueny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: C'mon, Gary...you gotta like mashed potatoes. Everyone likes mashed potatoes. How can you justify not liking mashed potatoes? Chris K Cayce, SC > > this is pretty insane. it's like i have to justify why i don't eat mashed > potatoes. I don't like mashed potatoes. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Sorry, but I think "Roundel" is one LAME name for a car magazine, even for one as annoying as a BMW,,, On 10/9/06, Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Mac, No Kevlar or Nomex needed.. and I got CAPS! I agree with most of what you have experienced. But, and a large BUT, I believe there will be changes in MBCA. And, if elected as a DAL, I will work to make "history" NEVER happen again. History is something that is there and nothing I can say can refute what anyone believes happened. If you wish to witness the change, then stay a member in the MBCA! As to how your local section is focused, only you can change that. Bring in new members who are non-SL, arrange for a cookout or Christmas Party to benefit a local charity, . It's your club and your section Go for it! I hope one day we can meet, shake, discuss, have a few brews and become friends.. Take care, Chuck Phoenix AZ On Oct 9, 2006, at 8:21 PM, Steve MacSween wrote: > Gary is telling one episode that concerns him. There are numerous > others, > involving people now passed into memory from previous lists. > > I can assure you that had you been present back when that certain > cabal > effectively seized control of MBCA, you *might* not argue this issue. > Unless you condone cronyism, extremely lucrative untendered > contracts to > pals, refusal to be accountable to membership, etc., as legitimate > club > executive behaviour. > > Let's not be sidetracked by MBCA being a 'club'. Its chapters are > indeed > clubs, some more grassroots than others (our local one is a bit too > SL-focused for my palate). Rather MBCA is a rather large business > enterprise > involving a big chunk of cash. > > Oh, and just to turn your crank: I have been in writing/editing/ > publishing > for 20+ years. For the money paid to the publisher, The Star is a > miserable > disgrace, lacking in depth, vision and any form of real meat-n-bones > content. If MBCNA did not feed it high-quality editorial and image > content > it would barely pass muster as part of the auto trader family. You > can print > crap on nice heavy gloss paper, but it's still crap. > > Check out The Roundel, the BMWCA publication. Comes out twice as > often (from > memory), top-notch editor and you can actually enjoy it even if you > don't > own a BMW. I used to look forward to getting it. My Star editions > ended up > in a pile on the living room floor. Couple of years later I sold > them on > eBay. > > I still have my Roundels, and I have not been into BMWs since the late > 1990s. > > Sorry, guys, you are getting ripped big time. > > Mac > Oh I'm a gonna need the Kevlar and Nomex now > > on 10/9/06 9:57 PM, Hendrik Riessen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> Yes but you are condeming a whole organisation because of the >> actions of a >> few people and then calling them names on a mail list. Sounds like >> you have >> some issues and using Kaleb's list to vent your anger. >> Of course there is going to be members who are only interested in >> having >> power and playing games but there are also a lot of good people >> involved >> with the MBCA who genuinely are fans of the Star marque. I think >> you went >> into the club with some pre conceived ideas of what it would be >> like and >> when you found out it was the same bullshit only a better class of >> car you >> got sour. Just about every club has power struggles and major >> a***holes who >> f**k it up for others. The only way to deal with people like that >> is to beat >> them at their own game, eventually others will see them for what >> they are >> and then it will be payback time. However if there are no decent >> people left >> in the club then the a***holes have won. >> And how can they get the FBI onto you? I know democracy is pretty >> much a >> thing of the past in this brave new world we are forging for >> ourselves but I >> do not think the FBI wants to get involved in a bitchfight. Unless >> you are >> not telling us the whole story. >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" >> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 10:31 AM >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA >> >> >>> I just don't associate with this kind of group. why would i want >>> to be in >>> a >>> club where bob beltz and george murphy try to get the FBI after >>> me because >>> i >>> don't agree with them? I am as puzzled why any of y
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Besides, we have our own "club." It is in cyberspace, but it is a club in almost every sense. We have no clubroom or magazine, but we also pay no dues. I like it. Tom Potter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 1:58 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA that is my point. why belong to a club that behaves this way? so i don't belong to it anymore On 10/10/06, Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well that's just wrong as well.That's no better than stealing, > misappropriation at the least. > > Ridiculous really for club executive behavior. > > Childish even > > Mike > - Original Message - > From: "Mitch Haley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 8:21 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA > > > > Mike Canfield wrote: > >> > >> I can sortof agree with you but if he CALLED he was wrong...friends > >> don't narc on each otherIt's a matter of trust. Bluffing is one > >> thing, > >> calling the law is another. > > > > How about using club money to pay a lawyer to bluff you? > > > > Mitch. > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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C'mon, Gary...you gotta like mashed potatoes. Everyone likes mashed potatoes. How can you justify not liking mashed potatoes? Chris K Cayce, SC this is pretty insane. it's like i have to justify why i don't eat mashed potatoes. I don't like mashed potatoes.
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that is my point. why belong to a club that behaves this way? so i don't belong to it anymore On 10/10/06, Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well that's just wrong as well.That's no better than stealing, misappropriation at the least. Ridiculous really for club executive behavior. Childish even Mike - Original Message - From: "Mitch Haley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA > Mike Canfield wrote: >> >> I can sortof agree with you but if he CALLED he was wrong...friends >> don't narc on each otherIt's a matter of trust. Bluffing is one >> thing, >> calling the law is another. > > How about using club money to pay a lawyer to bluff you? > > Mitch. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Joined MBCA (can we lose the sudden attack of the caps, guys?)
Ooooh, well I suppose when that sort of money is involved people will do all sorts of nasty things to squeeze the goose that lays the golden eggs. Sounds to me like there are not enough checks and balances in place to keep things fair and honest. Hopefully the club can sort itself out and concentrate on promoting fellowship between Merc owners. - Original Message - From: "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 10:40 PM Here's a short quote from some of the email from back then <<"Toad Hall and Frank Barrett reap over $300,000 in profits while the club swims in the red ink of a deficit of about the same amount. Coincidence? I think not.">>
Re: [MBZ] Joined MBCA (can we lose the sudden attack of the caps, guys?)
Steve's right - and I still have most of the emails that flew baak and forth when the whole thing came to a head a few years ago. Steve mentioned the Roundel as a proper club magazine - I'm not familiar with Roundel but will offfer the Porsche Club monthly as a favorable comparison - PCA issues it monthly and it's 1st class all the way - from photography to editorial content. There's no reason The Star couldn;t be an equal to the other club mags. - now that Frank Barret if not going to be the publisher in the near future. In the past, the club paid all the mailing expenses and Mr Barrett was allowed to keep all the advertising revenue! A *very* lucrative deal. I don;t have the numbers in front of me but I did an estimate of the amount and it was well into 6 figures. I made a proposal to publish The Star back when the contract was renewed but was late getting it to those who made the decision. I somehow missed the announcement telling the deadlines so it became a moot point. But others did offer publishing alternatives but in the end Mr Barrett continued as the publsher. It was at that time I let my lengthy membership with MBCA expire - also - the fee had increaded from $35/yr to $45/yr without any recognizable increase in benefits. Here's a short quote from some of the email from back then <<"Toad Hall and Frank Barrett reap over $300,000 in profits while the club swims in the red ink of a deficit of about the same amount. Coincidence? I think not.">> I thought the above is interesting - Anyway - let;s hope you are elected and can work to bring about change. Take care - we shouod hear about the election pretty soon, right? Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: "Steve MacSween" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Joined MBCA (can we lose the sudden attack of the caps,guys?) Gary is telling one episode that concerns him. There are numerous others, involving people now passed into memory from previous lists. I can assure you that had you been present back when that certain cabal effectively seized control of MBCA, you *might* not argue this issue. Unless you condone cronyism, extremely lucrative untendered contracts to pals, refusal to be accountable to membership, etc., as legitimate club executive behaviour. Let's not be sidetracked by MBCA being a 'club'. Its chapters are indeed clubs, some more grassroots than others (our local one is a bit too SL-focused for my palate). Rather MBCA is a rather large business enterprise involving a big chunk of cash. Oh, and just to turn your crank: I have been in writing/editing/publishing for 20+ years. For the money paid to the publisher, The Star is a miserable disgrace, lacking in depth, vision and any form of real meat-n-bones content. If MBCNA did not feed it high-quality editorial and image content it would barely pass muster as part of the auto trader family. You can print crap on nice heavy gloss paper, but it's still crap. Check out The Roundel, the BMWCA publication. Comes out twice as often (from memory), top-notch editor and you can actually enjoy it even if you don't own a BMW. I used to look forward to getting it. My Star editions ended up in a pile on the living room floor. Couple of years later I sold them on eBay. I still have my Roundels, and I have not been into BMWs since the late 1990s. Sorry, guys, you are getting ripped big time. Mac Oh I'm a gonna need the Kevlar and Nomex now on 10/9/06 9:57 PM, Hendrik Riessen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes but you are condeming a whole organisation because of the actions of a few people and then calling them names on a mail list. Sounds like you have some issues and using Kaleb's list to vent your anger. Of course there is going to be members who are only interested in having power and playing games but there are also a lot of good people involved with the MBCA who genuinely are fans of the Star marque. I think you went into the club with some pre conceived ideas of what it would be like and when you found out it was the same bullshit only a better class of car you got sour. Just about every club has power struggles and major a***holes who f**k it up for others. The only way to deal with people like that is to beat them at their own game, eventually others will see them for what they are and then it will be payback time. However if there are no decent people left in the club then the a***holes have won. And how can they get the FBI onto you? I know democracy is pretty much a thing of the pa
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Well that's just wrong as well.That's no better than stealing, misappropriation at the least. Ridiculous really for club executive behavior. Childish even Mike - Original Message - From: "Mitch Haley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA Mike Canfield wrote: I can sortof agree with you but if he CALLED he was wrong...friends don't narc on each otherIt's a matter of trust. Bluffing is one thing, calling the law is another. How about using club money to pay a lawyer to bluff you? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Mike Canfield wrote: > > I can sortof agree with you but if he CALLED he was wrong...friends > don't narc on each otherIt's a matter of trust. Bluffing is one thing, > calling the law is another. How about using club money to pay a lawyer to bluff you? Mitch.
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AgreedI'm worried I am agreeing with Gary. Mike - Original Message - From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 11:35 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA i never took them seriously. Like most bullies, they are all huff and bluff. it's just sick that officials of an organization would engage in this sort of behavior. what kind of organization even tolerates such people let alone assigns them positions of responsiblity? why would i want anything to do with such an organization? i very well might be missing the point completely, but it makes no sense to me to mess with this organization. On 10/9/06, Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If my buddy narced me out to the freakin FBI for something I did not do I would NEVER forgive him.Eight years or 80 that is just wrong. Mike - Original Message - From: "Chuck Landenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA > Gary, > > If a buddy of yours did something that hurt you personally EIGHT > years ago, would you still not talk to him today... > > MBCA is a club that has endured some bad times and the times "they > are achangin'". > > The Peachtree Section has lots of very nice events and you might even > find a few customers > > Just an opinion. > > Chuck > Phoenix AZ > On Oct 9, 2006, at 6:40 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: > >> I thought it was a pretty well known story, but i will tell my >> version of it >> anyway. >> >> once upon a time, there was a mailing list for MBCA members. It was a >> fairly benign list, but some of the content seemed to offend George >> Murphy, >> who then shut down the list. >> >> This really rubbed me the wrong way. The list belongs to the >> members, not >> to George. It struck me as the ultimate in hubris, in >> irresponsiblity, in >> ugliness, in foul play, etc, that George just shut down that list. >> So i >> suggested that it would behoove the members to "elliminate" George >> as I felt >> someone like this had no business in a position of any club >> responsibility. >> >> I was then contacted by MBCA counsel Robert Beltz who, in an official >> capacity, informed me that this statement regarding George is being >> treated >> as a death threat and that the FBI has been brought in to >> investigate. so >> i'm thinking that the MBCA members are paying this guy a couple of >> hundred >> bucks an hour to threaten me because i hurt george's feelings by. >> What kind >> of people are these MBCA representatives? >> >> It was just too sick a freakshow for me to be involved in, which >> is saying >> a lot as few people love a sick freakshow more than I do. >> >> But, again, you guys enjoy it! i wish you well with it. you will >> just have >> to manage without me. >> >> >> >> >> On 10/9/06, Chris Kueny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> OK Gary, you owe us a story. And a good one at that. >>> >>> >>> Chris K >>> Cayce, SC >>> >>> >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" >>> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 9:01 PM >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA >>> >>> >>>> I just don't associate with this kind of group. why would i want >>>> to be >>> in >>>> a >>>> club where bob beltz and george murphy try to get the FBI after me >>> because >>>> i >>>> don't agree with them? I am as puzzled why any of you would want to >>>> belong >>>> to such a club as you seem to be puzzled why I would not want to >>>> be. I >>>> just >>>> don't get involved in this sort of unbalanced stuff. >>>> >>>> But I'm basically for liberty. you want to associate with this >>>> sort of >>>> thing, then i'm all for you doing so. I, however, will not. >>>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >>> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery optio
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I can sortof agree with you but if he CALLED he was wrong...friends don't narc on each otherIt's a matter of trust. Bluffing is one thing, calling the law is another. Mike - Original Message - From: "Chuck Landenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA Mike, Can't speak from a position of knowing it for sure, but a lot of "bluffing" was going on back then. As for me, if my buddy did call the FBI and nothing happened He would still be my friend and laugh about it over a beer or three! That's how I am.. Nobody has to agree with me, but that's how I see it. If I do become a DAL, I will try to ease the kind of restrictions that exist and make MBCA an inclusive organization open to handle divergent opinions so we can end up a BETTER car club.It's all synergistic And we need different opinions to make MBCA into what it can be... I'm off the podium.. Take care, Chuck PS Mike... Are you an MBCA member On Oct 9, 2006, at 7:58 PM, Mike Canfield wrote: If my buddy narced me out to the freakin FBI for something I did not do I would NEVER forgive him.Eight years or 80 that is just wrong. Mike - Original Message - From: "Chuck Landenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA Gary, If a buddy of yours did something that hurt you personally EIGHT years ago, would you still not talk to him today... MBCA is a club that has endured some bad times and the times "they are achangin'". The Peachtree Section has lots of very nice events and you might even find a few customers Just an opinion. Chuck Phoenix AZ On Oct 9, 2006, at 6:40 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: I thought it was a pretty well known story, but i will tell my version of it anyway. once upon a time, there was a mailing list for MBCA members. It was a fairly benign list, but some of the content seemed to offend George Murphy, who then shut down the list. This really rubbed me the wrong way. The list belongs to the members, not to George. It struck me as the ultimate in hubris, in irresponsiblity, in ugliness, in foul play, etc, that George just shut down that list. So i suggested that it would behoove the members to "elliminate" George as I felt someone like this had no business in a position of any club responsibility. I was then contacted by MBCA counsel Robert Beltz who, in an official capacity, informed me that this statement regarding George is being treated as a death threat and that the FBI has been brought in to investigate. so i'm thinking that the MBCA members are paying this guy a couple of hundred bucks an hour to threaten me because i hurt george's feelings by. What kind of people are these MBCA representatives? It was just too sick a freakshow for me to be involved in, which is saying a lot as few people love a sick freakshow more than I do. But, again, you guys enjoy it! i wish you well with it. you will just have to manage without me. On 10/9/06, Chris Kueny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: OK Gary, you owe us a story. And a good one at that. Chris K Cayce, SC - Original Message ----- From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA I just don't associate with this kind of group. why would i want to be in a club where bob beltz and george murphy try to get the FBI after me because i don't agree with them? I am as puzzled why any of you would want to belong to such a club as you seem to be puzzled why I would not want to be. I just don't get involved in this sort of unbalanced stuff. But I'm basically for liberty. you want to associate with this sort of thing, then i'm all for you doing so. I, however, will not. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Hi Chuck, I'm in the Central Va section - I live in Chester, Va which is about 20 mi S or Richmond off I-95. Our Newsletter is published 5-6 X's per year. Would be glad to see you when you come thru this next of the woods -- ;-) Where are you located? - Thanks for the info -- Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: "Chuck Landenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA Larry, Answers follow... What section are you in?? If I go thru your neck of the woods, will definitely let you know. Even if I'm not elected, next May I'll be driving to the DC area for StarTech in May from Phoenix... Take care, Chuck Phoenix On Oct 9, 2006, at 1:16 PM, LarryT wrote: Hi Chuck, Glad to hear the F Barrett era is ending. A couple of questions. Will the club continue to pay for the mailing costs or will the new publisher do so? I am not familiar with the terms of the new contract, but have been assured that it will be a positive cash flow to the club. Also, will the club keep the advertising revenue instead of the publisher as in years past? Yes. Basic answer and I'm not aware of the details since I'm still just a vanilla member despite being a candidate for DAL... I would hope that in the future the financial statements in the Star Magazine will be a good deal more definitive These funds would help the club dramatically and allow the central office to help the sections fund special events like social & competitive drives, dinners, meets, concours, etc. all of which the rank and file greatly enjoy IMHO. Given a positive cash impact of the revenue from the Star, I want to see some of the Raffle profit directed to Section support. Also, it'd be nice to see The Star as a monthly or perhaps 8 X's per year instead of every other month. For the forseeable future, the Star will remain 6x a year. But, it is a goal of mine and I believe many others to get to a monthly magazine. For many members, The Star is the biggest connection to the club and more issues would provide a more cohesive feeling - And last, but not least, the membership needs to grow through a coordinated effort of all members, dealers, indys and wider publication of why it's a good idea to join MBCA! Thanks for being handy to answer questions - MBCA Member Again. ;-) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: "Chuck Landenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA Gary, I joined MBCA in 1989 and have stuck with the club in various sections in various positions.. I am a candidate for a Director at Large position in this year's election. Results will be known next Tuesday/Wednesday. I do agree with you about the state of the club in years past. It has improved greatly in the last four years and will continue to do so. There was a recent RFP distributed to evaluate/select a new editor for the Star Magazine. The current editor will produce the last issue in Jan/Feb 2007. A NEW editor will take over with the March/April issue. Entirely new organization, not related to the "future" former editor. The club will regain editorial oversight. During my tenure, if elected, I will make sure the club belongs to the members and let their voices be heard. I hope to influence a strong growth in membership.Anyone else interested in joining, please email me offline. Just came back from StarFest 2006 in Las Vegas. Over two hundred members/spouses/friends attended where a concours and driving events (Time Trials, Autocross, Acceleration Run) left a lot of smiles on lots of faces. I was one smiling also with two firsts and one second in the driving events in the 500E, Big Bro'. Not to bore all the non-members but as info.. The fall MBCA Board Meeting will be held in Phoenix, November 9-11... Anyone who wants info, send me an email offline... That's all.. Take care and be safe, Chuck Phoenix AZ On Oct 9, 2006, at 4:44 AM, Gary Hurst wrote: eh, i joined mbca once and they called the FBI on me for suggesting that the power of the club belongs to the members and not to unelected contractors and their henchman. I'd keep my distance
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I don't know much about the new ones, but the old ones are kinda special a couple of years ago one of our customers walked in and explained that his new wife wanted his ratty benz out of their fancy driveway. so i bought it from him it's a 79 US spec 280CE. I had no real use for it and it sat parked at the bottom of my driveway for 2 years. In august, i figure that it might be a nice car to drive around this winter. so i fired it up. and i'd have driven it right then to alaska confident i'd make the trip. how many other cars are there that you could say that about? On 10/9/06, Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hey Gary, Have a good tomorrow.. We all make decisions and I wasn't trying to change your mind... Maybe we can shake and have a brew someday and say we both done good..!!! Take care, Chuck Phoenix AZ 1992 500E 1986 190E 2.3 16V... PS. Yup, it is insane.. We both like what we like and still keep liking Benzes, old and new! On Oct 9, 2006, at 8:50 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: > well, yeah, y'know, that's your thing. and my tomorrow thing doesn't > involve MBCA. > > this is pretty insane. it's like i have to justify why i don't eat > mashed > potatoes. I don't like mashed potatoes. i don't like mbca. i > don't mess > with either. > > i like old mercedes cars. i like the internet. i like old > cameras. i like > old watches. i like my crappy imac. i like poker. i like the > six string > bass guitar, even though i suck at it. i like futbol. i like diet > mountain > dew. i mess with all these things. i wish i had more time to mess > with > them, but i don't have enough time to do enough messing with the > things i > like. why then would i want to mess with things i don't > particularly like? > > i'm just a simple guy like this > > > On 10/9/06, Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Gary, >> >> I can't deal with yesterday. All my attention is on >> TOMORROW! >> >> Chuck >> Phoenix, AZ >> >> On Oct 9, 2006, at 8:35 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: >> >>> i never took them seriously. Like most bullies, they are all >>> huff and >>> bluff. >>> >>> it's just sick that officials of an organization would engage in >>> this sort >>> of behavior. what kind of organization even tolerates such people >>> let alone >>> assigns them positions of responsiblity? why would i want anything >>> to do >>> with such an organization? >>> >>> i very well might be missing the point completely, but it makes no >>> sense to >>> me to mess with this organization. >>> >>> >>> On 10/9/06, Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> >>>> If my buddy narced me out to the freakin FBI for something I did >>>> not do I >>>> would NEVER forgive him.Eight years or 80 that is just wrong. >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> - Original Message - >>>> From: "Chuck Landenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" >>>> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 10:36 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA >>>> >>>> >>>>> Gary, >>>>> >>>>> If a buddy of yours did something that hurt you personally EIGHT >>>>> years ago, would you still not talk to him today... >>>>> >>>>> MBCA is a club that has endured some bad times and the times "they >>>>> are achangin'". >>>>> >>>>> The Peachtree Section has lots of very nice events and you might >>>>> even >>>>> find a few customers >>>>> >>>>> Just an opinion. >>>>> >>>>> Chuck >>>>> Phoenix AZ >>>>> On Oct 9, 2006, at 6:40 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I thought it was a pretty well known story, but i will tell my >>>>>> version of it >>>>>> anyway. >>>>>> >>>>>> once upon a time, there was a mailing list for MBCA members. It >>>>>> was a >>>>>> fairly benign list, but some of the content seemed to offend >>>>>> George >>>>>> Murphy, >>>>>> who then shut down the list. >>>>>> >>>>>> This really rubbed me
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Hey Gary, Have a good tomorrow.. We all make decisions and I wasn't trying to change your mind... Maybe we can shake and have a brew someday and say we both done good..!!! Take care, Chuck Phoenix AZ 1992 500E 1986 190E 2.3 16V... PS. Yup, it is insane.. We both like what we like and still keep liking Benzes, old and new! On Oct 9, 2006, at 8:50 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: well, yeah, y'know, that's your thing. and my tomorrow thing doesn't involve MBCA. this is pretty insane. it's like i have to justify why i don't eat mashed potatoes. I don't like mashed potatoes. i don't like mbca. i don't mess with either. i like old mercedes cars. i like the internet. i like old cameras. i like old watches. i like my crappy imac. i like poker. i like the six string bass guitar, even though i suck at it. i like futbol. i like diet mountain dew. i mess with all these things. i wish i had more time to mess with them, but i don't have enough time to do enough messing with the things i like. why then would i want to mess with things i don't particularly like? i'm just a simple guy like this On 10/9/06, Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Gary, I can't deal with yesterday. All my attention is on TOMORROW! Chuck Phoenix, AZ On Oct 9, 2006, at 8:35 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: i never took them seriously. Like most bullies, they are all huff and bluff. it's just sick that officials of an organization would engage in this sort of behavior. what kind of organization even tolerates such people let alone assigns them positions of responsiblity? why would i want anything to do with such an organization? i very well might be missing the point completely, but it makes no sense to me to mess with this organization. On 10/9/06, Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If my buddy narced me out to the freakin FBI for something I did not do I would NEVER forgive him.Eight years or 80 that is just wrong. Mike - Original Message - From: "Chuck Landenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA Gary, If a buddy of yours did something that hurt you personally EIGHT years ago, would you still not talk to him today... MBCA is a club that has endured some bad times and the times "they are achangin'". The Peachtree Section has lots of very nice events and you might even find a few customers Just an opinion. Chuck Phoenix AZ On Oct 9, 2006, at 6:40 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: I thought it was a pretty well known story, but i will tell my version of it anyway. once upon a time, there was a mailing list for MBCA members. It was a fairly benign list, but some of the content seemed to offend George Murphy, who then shut down the list. This really rubbed me the wrong way. The list belongs to the members, not to George. It struck me as the ultimate in hubris, in irresponsiblity, in ugliness, in foul play, etc, that George just shut down that list. So i suggested that it would behoove the members to "elliminate" George as I felt someone like this had no business in a position of any club responsibility. I was then contacted by MBCA counsel Robert Beltz who, in an official capacity, informed me that this statement regarding George is being treated as a death threat and that the FBI has been brought in to investigate. so i'm thinking that the MBCA members are paying this guy a couple of hundred bucks an hour to threaten me because i hurt george's feelings by. What kind of people are these MBCA representatives? It was just too sick a freakshow for me to be involved in, which is saying a lot as few people love a sick freakshow more than I do. But, again, you guys enjoy it! i wish you well with it. you will just have to manage without me. On 10/9/06, Chris Kueny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: OK Gary, you owe us a story. And a good one at that. Chris K Cayce, SC - Original Message - From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA I just don't associate with this kind of group. why would i want to be in a club where bob beltz and george murphy try to get the FBI after me because i don't agree with them? I am as puzzled why any of you would want to belong to such a club as you seem to be puzzled why I would not want to be. I just don't get involved in this sort of unbalanced stuff. But I'm basically for liberty. you want to associate with this sort of thing, then i'm all for you doing so. I, however, will not. ___ http://ww
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well, yeah, y'know, that's your thing. and my tomorrow thing doesn't involve MBCA. this is pretty insane. it's like i have to justify why i don't eat mashed potatoes. I don't like mashed potatoes. i don't like mbca. i don't mess with either. i like old mercedes cars. i like the internet. i like old cameras. i like old watches. i like my crappy imac. i like poker. i like the six string bass guitar, even though i suck at it. i like futbol. i like diet mountain dew. i mess with all these things. i wish i had more time to mess with them, but i don't have enough time to do enough messing with the things i like. why then would i want to mess with things i don't particularly like? i'm just a simple guy like this On 10/9/06, Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Gary, I can't deal with yesterday. All my attention is on TOMORROW! Chuck Phoenix, AZ On Oct 9, 2006, at 8:35 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: > i never took them seriously. Like most bullies, they are all huff and > bluff. > > it's just sick that officials of an organization would engage in > this sort > of behavior. what kind of organization even tolerates such people > let alone > assigns them positions of responsiblity? why would i want anything > to do > with such an organization? > > i very well might be missing the point completely, but it makes no > sense to > me to mess with this organization. > > > On 10/9/06, Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> If my buddy narced me out to the freakin FBI for something I did >> not do I >> would NEVER forgive him.Eight years or 80 that is just wrong. >> >> Mike >> - Original Message - >> From: "Chuck Landenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" >> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 10:36 PM >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA >> >> >>> Gary, >>> >>> If a buddy of yours did something that hurt you personally EIGHT >>> years ago, would you still not talk to him today... >>> >>> MBCA is a club that has endured some bad times and the times "they >>> are achangin'". >>> >>> The Peachtree Section has lots of very nice events and you might >>> even >>> find a few customers >>> >>> Just an opinion. >>> >>> Chuck >>> Phoenix AZ >>> On Oct 9, 2006, at 6:40 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: >>> >>>> I thought it was a pretty well known story, but i will tell my >>>> version of it >>>> anyway. >>>> >>>> once upon a time, there was a mailing list for MBCA members. It >>>> was a >>>> fairly benign list, but some of the content seemed to offend George >>>> Murphy, >>>> who then shut down the list. >>>> >>>> This really rubbed me the wrong way. The list belongs to the >>>> members, not >>>> to George. It struck me as the ultimate in hubris, in >>>> irresponsiblity, in >>>> ugliness, in foul play, etc, that George just shut down that list. >>>> So i >>>> suggested that it would behoove the members to "elliminate" George >>>> as I felt >>>> someone like this had no business in a position of any club >>>> responsibility. >>>> >>>> I was then contacted by MBCA counsel Robert Beltz who, in an >>>> official >>>> capacity, informed me that this statement regarding George is being >>>> treated >>>> as a death threat and that the FBI has been brought in to >>>> investigate. so >>>> i'm thinking that the MBCA members are paying this guy a couple of >>>> hundred >>>> bucks an hour to threaten me because i hurt george's feelings by. >>>> What kind >>>> of people are these MBCA representatives? >>>> >>>> It was just too sick a freakshow for me to be involved in, which >>>> is saying >>>> a lot as few people love a sick freakshow more than I do. >>>> >>>> But, again, you guys enjoy it! i wish you well with it. you will >>>> just have >>>> to manage without me. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 10/9/06, Chris Kueny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> OK Gary, you owe us a story. And a good one at that. >>>>> >>>>
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Gary, I can't deal with yesterday. All my attention is on TOMORROW! Chuck Phoenix, AZ On Oct 9, 2006, at 8:35 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: i never took them seriously. Like most bullies, they are all huff and bluff. it's just sick that officials of an organization would engage in this sort of behavior. what kind of organization even tolerates such people let alone assigns them positions of responsiblity? why would i want anything to do with such an organization? i very well might be missing the point completely, but it makes no sense to me to mess with this organization. On 10/9/06, Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If my buddy narced me out to the freakin FBI for something I did not do I would NEVER forgive him.Eight years or 80 that is just wrong. Mike - Original Message - From: "Chuck Landenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA Gary, If a buddy of yours did something that hurt you personally EIGHT years ago, would you still not talk to him today... MBCA is a club that has endured some bad times and the times "they are achangin'". The Peachtree Section has lots of very nice events and you might even find a few customers Just an opinion. Chuck Phoenix AZ On Oct 9, 2006, at 6:40 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: I thought it was a pretty well known story, but i will tell my version of it anyway. once upon a time, there was a mailing list for MBCA members. It was a fairly benign list, but some of the content seemed to offend George Murphy, who then shut down the list. This really rubbed me the wrong way. The list belongs to the members, not to George. It struck me as the ultimate in hubris, in irresponsiblity, in ugliness, in foul play, etc, that George just shut down that list. So i suggested that it would behoove the members to "elliminate" George as I felt someone like this had no business in a position of any club responsibility. I was then contacted by MBCA counsel Robert Beltz who, in an official capacity, informed me that this statement regarding George is being treated as a death threat and that the FBI has been brought in to investigate. so i'm thinking that the MBCA members are paying this guy a couple of hundred bucks an hour to threaten me because i hurt george's feelings by. What kind of people are these MBCA representatives? It was just too sick a freakshow for me to be involved in, which is saying a lot as few people love a sick freakshow more than I do. But, again, you guys enjoy it! i wish you well with it. you will just have to manage without me. On 10/9/06, Chris Kueny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: OK Gary, you owe us a story. And a good one at that. Chris K Cayce, SC - Original Message - From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA I just don't associate with this kind of group. why would i want to be in a club where bob beltz and george murphy try to get the FBI after me because i don't agree with them? I am as puzzled why any of you would want to belong to such a club as you seem to be puzzled why I would not want to be. I just don't get involved in this sort of unbalanced stuff. But I'm basically for liberty. you want to associate with this sort of thing, then i'm all for you doing so. I, however, will not. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http:// www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Mac, No Kevlar or Nomex needed.. and I got CAPS! I agree with most of what you have experienced. But, and a large BUT, I believe there will be changes in MBCA. And, if elected as a DAL, I will work to make "history" NEVER happen again. History is something that is there and nothing I can say can refute what anyone believes happened. If you wish to witness the change, then stay a member in the MBCA! As to how your local section is focused, only you can change that. Bring in new members who are non-SL, arrange for a cookout or Christmas Party to benefit a local charity, . It's your club and your section Go for it! I hope one day we can meet, shake, discuss, have a few brews and become friends.. Take care, Chuck Phoenix AZ On Oct 9, 2006, at 8:21 PM, Steve MacSween wrote: Gary is telling one episode that concerns him. There are numerous others, involving people now passed into memory from previous lists. I can assure you that had you been present back when that certain cabal effectively seized control of MBCA, you *might* not argue this issue. Unless you condone cronyism, extremely lucrative untendered contracts to pals, refusal to be accountable to membership, etc., as legitimate club executive behaviour. Let's not be sidetracked by MBCA being a 'club'. Its chapters are indeed clubs, some more grassroots than others (our local one is a bit too SL-focused for my palate). Rather MBCA is a rather large business enterprise involving a big chunk of cash. Oh, and just to turn your crank: I have been in writing/editing/ publishing for 20+ years. For the money paid to the publisher, The Star is a miserable disgrace, lacking in depth, vision and any form of real meat-n-bones content. If MBCNA did not feed it high-quality editorial and image content it would barely pass muster as part of the auto trader family. You can print crap on nice heavy gloss paper, but it's still crap. Check out The Roundel, the BMWCA publication. Comes out twice as often (from memory), top-notch editor and you can actually enjoy it even if you don't own a BMW. I used to look forward to getting it. My Star editions ended up in a pile on the living room floor. Couple of years later I sold them on eBay. I still have my Roundels, and I have not been into BMWs since the late 1990s. Sorry, guys, you are getting ripped big time. Mac Oh I'm a gonna need the Kevlar and Nomex now on 10/9/06 9:57 PM, Hendrik Riessen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes but you are condeming a whole organisation because of the actions of a few people and then calling them names on a mail list. Sounds like you have some issues and using Kaleb's list to vent your anger. Of course there is going to be members who are only interested in having power and playing games but there are also a lot of good people involved with the MBCA who genuinely are fans of the Star marque. I think you went into the club with some pre conceived ideas of what it would be like and when you found out it was the same bullshit only a better class of car you got sour. Just about every club has power struggles and major a***holes who f**k it up for others. The only way to deal with people like that is to beat them at their own game, eventually others will see them for what they are and then it will be payback time. However if there are no decent people left in the club then the a***holes have won. And how can they get the FBI onto you? I know democracy is pretty much a thing of the past in this brave new world we are forging for ourselves but I do not think the FBI wants to get involved in a bitchfight. Unless you are not telling us the whole story. - Original Message - From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA I just don't associate with this kind of group. why would i want to be in a club where bob beltz and george murphy try to get the FBI after me because i don't agree with them? I am as puzzled why any of you would want to belong to such a club as you seem to be puzzled why I would not want to be. I just don't get involved in this sort of unbalanced stuff. But I'm basically for liberty. you want to associate with this sort of thing, then i'm all for you doing so. I, however, will not. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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i never took them seriously. Like most bullies, they are all huff and bluff. it's just sick that officials of an organization would engage in this sort of behavior. what kind of organization even tolerates such people let alone assigns them positions of responsiblity? why would i want anything to do with such an organization? i very well might be missing the point completely, but it makes no sense to me to mess with this organization. On 10/9/06, Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If my buddy narced me out to the freakin FBI for something I did not do I would NEVER forgive him.Eight years or 80 that is just wrong. Mike - Original Message - From: "Chuck Landenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA > Gary, > > If a buddy of yours did something that hurt you personally EIGHT > years ago, would you still not talk to him today... > > MBCA is a club that has endured some bad times and the times "they > are achangin'". > > The Peachtree Section has lots of very nice events and you might even > find a few customers > > Just an opinion. > > Chuck > Phoenix AZ > On Oct 9, 2006, at 6:40 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: > >> I thought it was a pretty well known story, but i will tell my >> version of it >> anyway. >> >> once upon a time, there was a mailing list for MBCA members. It was a >> fairly benign list, but some of the content seemed to offend George >> Murphy, >> who then shut down the list. >> >> This really rubbed me the wrong way. The list belongs to the >> members, not >> to George. It struck me as the ultimate in hubris, in >> irresponsiblity, in >> ugliness, in foul play, etc, that George just shut down that list. >> So i >> suggested that it would behoove the members to "elliminate" George >> as I felt >> someone like this had no business in a position of any club >> responsibility. >> >> I was then contacted by MBCA counsel Robert Beltz who, in an official >> capacity, informed me that this statement regarding George is being >> treated >> as a death threat and that the FBI has been brought in to >> investigate. so >> i'm thinking that the MBCA members are paying this guy a couple of >> hundred >> bucks an hour to threaten me because i hurt george's feelings by. >> What kind >> of people are these MBCA representatives? >> >> It was just too sick a freakshow for me to be involved in, which >> is saying >> a lot as few people love a sick freakshow more than I do. >> >> But, again, you guys enjoy it! i wish you well with it. you will >> just have >> to manage without me. >> >> >> >> >> On 10/9/06, Chris Kueny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> OK Gary, you owe us a story. And a good one at that. >>> >>> >>> Chris K >>> Cayce, SC >>> >>> >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" >>> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 9:01 PM >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA >>> >>> >>>> I just don't associate with this kind of group. why would i want >>>> to be >>> in >>>> a >>>> club where bob beltz and george murphy try to get the FBI after me >>> because >>>> i >>>> don't agree with them? I am as puzzled why any of you would want to >>>> belong >>>> to such a club as you seem to be puzzled why I would not want to >>>> be. I >>>> just >>>> don't get involved in this sort of unbalanced stuff. >>>> >>>> But I'm basically for liberty. you want to associate with this >>>> sort of >>>> thing, then i'm all for you doing so. I, however, will not. >>>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >>> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Joined MBCA (can we lose the sudden attack of the caps, guys?)
Having worked in the photo, graphics, and publishing business myself for 20 years before moving to the dark side (IT), and having been a member of MBCA for one year to get the Star - I have to agree. Oh, and just to turn your crank: I have been in writing/editing/publishing for 20+ years. For the money paid to the publisher, The Star is a miserable disgrace, lacking in depth, vision and any form of real meat-n-bones content. If MBCNA did not feed it high-quality editorial and image content it would barely pass muster as part of the auto trader family. You can print crap on nice heavy gloss paper, but it's still crap. Check out The Roundel, the BMWCA publication. Comes out twice as often (from memory), top-notch editor and you can actually enjoy it even if you don't own a BMW. I used to look forward to getting it. My Star editions ended up in a pile on the living room floor. Couple of years later I sold them on eBay. I still have my Roundels, and I have not been into BMWs since the late 1990s. Sorry, guys, you are getting ripped big time. Mac Oh I'm a gonna need the Kevlar and Nomex now -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives." Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
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I don't even much know hurst. he's a strange fellow. On 10/9/06, Frank Pembleton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You don't know Hurst, do you? _ Frank Pembleton Manchester, MO KLEB FOR PREZ!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Landenberger Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 9:37 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA Gary, If a buddy of yours did something that hurt you personally EIGHT years ago, would you still not talk to him today... m ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Joined MBCA (can we lose the sudden attack of the caps, guys?)
Gary is telling one episode that concerns him. There are numerous others, involving people now passed into memory from previous lists. I can assure you that had you been present back when that certain cabal effectively seized control of MBCA, you *might* not argue this issue. Unless you condone cronyism, extremely lucrative untendered contracts to pals, refusal to be accountable to membership, etc., as legitimate club executive behaviour. Let's not be sidetracked by MBCA being a 'club'. Its chapters are indeed clubs, some more grassroots than others (our local one is a bit too SL-focused for my palate). Rather MBCA is a rather large business enterprise involving a big chunk of cash. Oh, and just to turn your crank: I have been in writing/editing/publishing for 20+ years. For the money paid to the publisher, The Star is a miserable disgrace, lacking in depth, vision and any form of real meat-n-bones content. If MBCNA did not feed it high-quality editorial and image content it would barely pass muster as part of the auto trader family. You can print crap on nice heavy gloss paper, but it's still crap. Check out The Roundel, the BMWCA publication. Comes out twice as often (from memory), top-notch editor and you can actually enjoy it even if you don't own a BMW. I used to look forward to getting it. My Star editions ended up in a pile on the living room floor. Couple of years later I sold them on eBay. I still have my Roundels, and I have not been into BMWs since the late 1990s. Sorry, guys, you are getting ripped big time. Mac Oh I'm a gonna need the Kevlar and Nomex now on 10/9/06 9:57 PM, Hendrik Riessen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Yes but you are condeming a whole organisation because of the actions of a > few people and then calling them names on a mail list. Sounds like you have > some issues and using Kaleb's list to vent your anger. > Of course there is going to be members who are only interested in having > power and playing games but there are also a lot of good people involved > with the MBCA who genuinely are fans of the Star marque. I think you went > into the club with some pre conceived ideas of what it would be like and > when you found out it was the same bullshit only a better class of car you > got sour. Just about every club has power struggles and major a***holes who > f**k it up for others. The only way to deal with people like that is to beat > them at their own game, eventually others will see them for what they are > and then it will be payback time. However if there are no decent people left > in the club then the a***holes have won. > And how can they get the FBI onto you? I know democracy is pretty much a > thing of the past in this brave new world we are forging for ourselves but I > do not think the FBI wants to get involved in a bitchfight. Unless you are > not telling us the whole story. > > - Original Message - > From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 10:31 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA > > >> I just don't associate with this kind of group. why would i want to be in >> a >> club where bob beltz and george murphy try to get the FBI after me because >> i >> don't agree with them? I am as puzzled why any of you would want to >> belong >> to such a club as you seem to be puzzled why I would not want to be. I >> just >> don't get involved in this sort of unbalanced stuff. >> >> But I'm basically for liberty. you want to associate with this sort of >> thing, then i'm all for you doing so. I, however, will not. >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Frank, I knew Kathy for a number of years and know that she was on the right track about MBCA What happened to her as regards MBCA is a dark spot... She was a members' President of MBCA.. Take care, Chuck Phoenix AZ On Oct 9, 2006, at 8:05 PM, Frank Pembleton wrote: Kathy WAS on the right side. May she rest in peace. _ Frank Pembleton Manchester, MO KLEB FOR PREZ!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:mercedes- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Loren Faeth Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 9:38 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA I stayed in contact with Kathy, but avoided the national office people. The last national event I went to was the Startech in St Louis in 1990. I never understood the power struggle, but I trusted Kathy to be on the right side. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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No, not yet...! Chuck Phoenix AZ On Oct 9, 2006, at 8:01 PM, Frank Pembleton wrote: You don't know Hurst, do you? _ Frank Pembleton Manchester, MO KLEB FOR PREZ!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:mercedes- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Landenberger Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 9:37 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA Gary, If a buddy of yours did something that hurt you personally EIGHT years ago, would you still not talk to him today... m ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Mike, Can't speak from a position of knowing it for sure, but a lot of "bluffing" was going on back then. As for me, if my buddy did call the FBI and nothing happened He would still be my friend and laugh about it over a beer or three! That's how I am.. Nobody has to agree with me, but that's how I see it. If I do become a DAL, I will try to ease the kind of restrictions that exist and make MBCA an inclusive organization open to handle divergent opinions so we can end up a BETTER car club.It's all synergistic And we need different opinions to make MBCA into what it can be... I'm off the podium.. Take care, Chuck PS Mike... Are you an MBCA member On Oct 9, 2006, at 7:58 PM, Mike Canfield wrote: If my buddy narced me out to the freakin FBI for something I did not do I would NEVER forgive him.Eight years or 80 that is just wrong. Mike - Original Message - From: "Chuck Landenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA Gary, If a buddy of yours did something that hurt you personally EIGHT years ago, would you still not talk to him today... MBCA is a club that has endured some bad times and the times "they are achangin'". The Peachtree Section has lots of very nice events and you might even find a few customers Just an opinion. Chuck Phoenix AZ On Oct 9, 2006, at 6:40 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: I thought it was a pretty well known story, but i will tell my version of it anyway. once upon a time, there was a mailing list for MBCA members. It was a fairly benign list, but some of the content seemed to offend George Murphy, who then shut down the list. This really rubbed me the wrong way. The list belongs to the members, not to George. It struck me as the ultimate in hubris, in irresponsiblity, in ugliness, in foul play, etc, that George just shut down that list. So i suggested that it would behoove the members to "elliminate" George as I felt someone like this had no business in a position of any club responsibility. I was then contacted by MBCA counsel Robert Beltz who, in an official capacity, informed me that this statement regarding George is being treated as a death threat and that the FBI has been brought in to investigate. so i'm thinking that the MBCA members are paying this guy a couple of hundred bucks an hour to threaten me because i hurt george's feelings by. What kind of people are these MBCA representatives? It was just too sick a freakshow for me to be involved in, which is saying a lot as few people love a sick freakshow more than I do. But, again, you guys enjoy it! i wish you well with it. you will just have to manage without me. On 10/9/06, Chris Kueny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: OK Gary, you owe us a story. And a good one at that. Chris K Cayce, SC - Original Message - From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA I just don't associate with this kind of group. why would i want to be in a club where bob beltz and george murphy try to get the FBI after me because i don't agree with them? I am as puzzled why any of you would want to belong to such a club as you seem to be puzzled why I would not want to be. I just don't get involved in this sort of unbalanced stuff. But I'm basically for liberty. you want to associate with this sort of thing, then i'm all for you doing so. I, however, will not. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Kathy WAS on the right side. May she rest in peace. _ Frank Pembleton Manchester, MO KLEB FOR PREZ!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Loren Faeth Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 9:38 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA I stayed in contact with Kathy, but avoided the national office people. The last national event I went to was the Startech in St Louis in 1990. I never understood the power struggle, but I trusted Kathy to be on the right side.
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You don't know Hurst, do you? _ Frank Pembleton Manchester, MO KLEB FOR PREZ!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Landenberger Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 9:37 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA Gary, If a buddy of yours did something that hurt you personally EIGHT years ago, would you still not talk to him today... m
Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA
If my buddy narced me out to the freakin FBI for something I did not do I would NEVER forgive him.Eight years or 80 that is just wrong. Mike - Original Message - From: "Chuck Landenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA Gary, If a buddy of yours did something that hurt you personally EIGHT years ago, would you still not talk to him today... MBCA is a club that has endured some bad times and the times "they are achangin'". The Peachtree Section has lots of very nice events and you might even find a few customers Just an opinion. Chuck Phoenix AZ On Oct 9, 2006, at 6:40 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: I thought it was a pretty well known story, but i will tell my version of it anyway. once upon a time, there was a mailing list for MBCA members. It was a fairly benign list, but some of the content seemed to offend George Murphy, who then shut down the list. This really rubbed me the wrong way. The list belongs to the members, not to George. It struck me as the ultimate in hubris, in irresponsiblity, in ugliness, in foul play, etc, that George just shut down that list. So i suggested that it would behoove the members to "elliminate" George as I felt someone like this had no business in a position of any club responsibility. I was then contacted by MBCA counsel Robert Beltz who, in an official capacity, informed me that this statement regarding George is being treated as a death threat and that the FBI has been brought in to investigate. so i'm thinking that the MBCA members are paying this guy a couple of hundred bucks an hour to threaten me because i hurt george's feelings by. What kind of people are these MBCA representatives? It was just too sick a freakshow for me to be involved in, which is saying a lot as few people love a sick freakshow more than I do. But, again, you guys enjoy it! i wish you well with it. you will just have to manage without me. On 10/9/06, Chris Kueny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: OK Gary, you owe us a story. And a good one at that. Chris K Cayce, SC - Original Message - From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA I just don't associate with this kind of group. why would i want to be in a club where bob beltz and george murphy try to get the FBI after me because i don't agree with them? I am as puzzled why any of you would want to belong to such a club as you seem to be puzzled why I would not want to be. I just don't get involved in this sort of unbalanced stuff. But I'm basically for liberty. you want to associate with this sort of thing, then i'm all for you doing so. I, however, will not. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 10/9/06, Chris Kueny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > OK Gary, you owe us a story. And a good one at that. > > > Chris K > Cayce, SC > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 9:01 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA > > > >I just don't associate with this kind of group. why would i want to be > in > >a > > club where bob beltz and george murphy try to get the FBI after me > because > > i > > don't agree with them? I am as puzzled why any of you would want to > > belong > > to such a club as you seem to be puzzled why I would not want to be. I > > just > > don't get involved in this sort of unbalanced stuff. > > > > But I'm basically for liberty. you want to associate with this sort of > > thing, then i'm all for you doing so. I, however, will not. > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth
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Gary, If a buddy of yours did something that hurt you personally EIGHT years ago, would you still not talk to him today... MBCA is a club that has endured some bad times and the times "they are achangin'". The Peachtree Section has lots of very nice events and you might even find a few customers Just an opinion. Chuck Phoenix AZ On Oct 9, 2006, at 6:40 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: I thought it was a pretty well known story, but i will tell my version of it anyway. once upon a time, there was a mailing list for MBCA members. It was a fairly benign list, but some of the content seemed to offend George Murphy, who then shut down the list. This really rubbed me the wrong way. The list belongs to the members, not to George. It struck me as the ultimate in hubris, in irresponsiblity, in ugliness, in foul play, etc, that George just shut down that list. So i suggested that it would behoove the members to "elliminate" George as I felt someone like this had no business in a position of any club responsibility. I was then contacted by MBCA counsel Robert Beltz who, in an official capacity, informed me that this statement regarding George is being treated as a death threat and that the FBI has been brought in to investigate. so i'm thinking that the MBCA members are paying this guy a couple of hundred bucks an hour to threaten me because i hurt george's feelings by. What kind of people are these MBCA representatives? It was just too sick a freakshow for me to be involved in, which is saying a lot as few people love a sick freakshow more than I do. But, again, you guys enjoy it! i wish you well with it. you will just have to manage without me. On 10/9/06, Chris Kueny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: OK Gary, you owe us a story. And a good one at that. Chris K Cayce, SC - Original Message - From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA I just don't associate with this kind of group. why would i want to be in a club where bob beltz and george murphy try to get the FBI after me because i don't agree with them? I am as puzzled why any of you would want to belong to such a club as you seem to be puzzled why I would not want to be. I just don't get involved in this sort of unbalanced stuff. But I'm basically for liberty. you want to associate with this sort of thing, then i'm all for you doing so. I, however, will not. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yes but you are condeming a whole organisation because of the actions of a few people and then calling them names on a mail list. Sounds like you have some issues and using Kaleb's list to vent your anger. Of course there is going to be members who are only interested in having power and playing games but there are also a lot of good people involved with the MBCA who genuinely are fans of the Star marque. I think you went into the club with some pre conceived ideas of what it would be like and when you found out it was the same bullshit only a better class of car you got sour. Just about every club has power struggles and major a***holes who f**k it up for others. The only way to deal with people like that is to beat them at their own game, eventually others will see them for what they are and then it will be payback time. However if there are no decent people left in the club then the a***holes have won. And how can they get the FBI onto you? I know democracy is pretty much a thing of the past in this brave new world we are forging for ourselves but I do not think the FBI wants to get involved in a bitchfight. Unless you are not telling us the whole story. - Original Message - From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA I just don't associate with this kind of group. why would i want to be in a club where bob beltz and george murphy try to get the FBI after me because i don't agree with them? I am as puzzled why any of you would want to belong to such a club as you seem to be puzzled why I would not want to be. I just don't get involved in this sort of unbalanced stuff. But I'm basically for liberty. you want to associate with this sort of thing, then i'm all for you doing so. I, however, will not.
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I need to find out if my membership has ran out or something, I dont recall getting a magazine in a while. Chuck Landenberger wrote: Gary, I joined MBCA in 1989 and have stuck with the club in various sections in various positions.. I am a candidate for a Director at Large position in this year's election. Results will be known next Tuesday/Wednesday. I do agree with you about the state of the club in years past. It has improved greatly in the last four years and will continue to do so. There was a recent RFP distributed to evaluate/select a new editor for the Star Magazine. The current editor will produce the last issue in Jan/Feb 2007. A NEW editor will take over with the March/April issue. Entirely new organization, not related to the "future" former editor. The club will regain editorial oversight. During my tenure, if elected, I will make sure the club belongs to the members and let their voices be heard. I hope to influence a strong growth in membership.Anyone else interested in joining, please email me offline. Just came back from StarFest 2006 in Las Vegas. Over two hundred members/spouses/friends attended where a concours and driving events (Time Trials, Autocross, Acceleration Run) left a lot of smiles on lots of faces. I was one smiling also with two firsts and one second in the driving events in the 500E, Big Bro'. Not to bore all the non-members but as info.. The fall MBCA Board Meeting will be held in Phoenix, November 9-11... Anyone who wants info, send me an email offline... That's all.. Take care and be safe, Chuck Phoenix AZ On Oct 9, 2006, at 4:44 AM, Gary Hurst wrote: eh, i joined mbca once and they called the FBI on me for suggesting that the power of the club belongs to the members and not to unelected contractors and their henchman. I'd keep my distance from these freaks if I were you. On 10/9/06, Stephen D Murrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi; just joined Mercedes Benz Club of America; maybe meet some of you at the "Dinners" that they have to give & get info. & help from & to others; hope to get my credentials before next Dinner!! ha!ha! Steve ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 86 300SDL, 84 380SE, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
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I thought it was a pretty well known story, but i will tell my version of it anyway. once upon a time, there was a mailing list for MBCA members. It was a fairly benign list, but some of the content seemed to offend George Murphy, who then shut down the list. This really rubbed me the wrong way. The list belongs to the members, not to George. It struck me as the ultimate in hubris, in irresponsiblity, in ugliness, in foul play, etc, that George just shut down that list. So i suggested that it would behoove the members to "elliminate" George as I felt someone like this had no business in a position of any club responsibility. I was then contacted by MBCA counsel Robert Beltz who, in an official capacity, informed me that this statement regarding George is being treated as a death threat and that the FBI has been brought in to investigate. so i'm thinking that the MBCA members are paying this guy a couple of hundred bucks an hour to threaten me because i hurt george's feelings by. What kind of people are these MBCA representatives? It was just too sick a freakshow for me to be involved in, which is saying a lot as few people love a sick freakshow more than I do. But, again, you guys enjoy it! i wish you well with it. you will just have to manage without me. On 10/9/06, Chris Kueny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: OK Gary, you owe us a story. And a good one at that. Chris K Cayce, SC - Original Message - From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA >I just don't associate with this kind of group. why would i want to be in >a > club where bob beltz and george murphy try to get the FBI after me because > i > don't agree with them? I am as puzzled why any of you would want to > belong > to such a club as you seem to be puzzled why I would not want to be. I > just > don't get involved in this sort of unbalanced stuff. > > But I'm basically for liberty. you want to associate with this sort of > thing, then i'm all for you doing so. I, however, will not. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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most of my customers actually come from google. very few mention MBCA in any context i'm happy that you like your club. It's just not something i feel I can be part of because of how representatives of the club behaved during my time of membership. I'm not against the MBCA. enjoy it. On 10/9/06, Frank Pembleton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Besides, WHERE DO YOU THINK YOUR CUSTOMERS COME FROM? _ Frank Pembleton Manchester, MO KLEB FOR PREZ!! -Original Message- From: Hendrik Riessen Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 7:14 PM You have more chance of being able to change things for the better being within the club than standing on the outside and complaining about how things are run. I have issues with the local MB club as well but I do not whinge about it. I do state my views if people ask but I am not white anting the club because it is not excactly what I want it to be. Hendrik only a member of the Port Adelaide football club..go the the Power in 2007 http://portadelaidefc.com.au/default.asp although I am considering joining up with the MBCSA to see first hand how things arethen again I wouldn't want to be a member of a club that would have me as a member:-) - Original Message - From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 4:03 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA > my one year in MBCA was during the george murphy/bob beltz/frank barrett > era. watching those guys operate has convinced me that this is not a club > i > ever need to be part of. it's possible it was just a bad time and > atypical, > but i can't feel comfortable signing up again. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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OK Gary, you owe us a story. And a good one at that. Chris K Cayce, SC - Original Message - From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA I just don't associate with this kind of group. why would i want to be in a club where bob beltz and george murphy try to get the FBI after me because i don't agree with them? I am as puzzled why any of you would want to belong to such a club as you seem to be puzzled why I would not want to be. I just don't get involved in this sort of unbalanced stuff. But I'm basically for liberty. you want to associate with this sort of thing, then i'm all for you doing so. I, however, will not.
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I just don't associate with this kind of group. why would i want to be in a club where bob beltz and george murphy try to get the FBI after me because i don't agree with them? I am as puzzled why any of you would want to belong to such a club as you seem to be puzzled why I would not want to be. I just don't get involved in this sort of unbalanced stuff. But I'm basically for liberty. you want to associate with this sort of thing, then i'm all for you doing so. I, however, will not. On 10/9/06, Hendrik Riessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You have more chance of being able to change things for the better being within the club than standing on the outside and complaining about how things are run. I have issues with the local MB club as well but I do not whinge about it. I do state my views if people ask but I am not white anting the club because it is not excactly what I want it to be. Hendrik only a member of the Port Adelaide football club..go the the Power in 2007 http://portadelaidefc.com.au/default.asp although I am considering joining up with the MBCSA to see first hand how things arethen again I wouldn't want to be a member of a club that would have me as a member:-) - Original Message - From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 4:03 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA > my one year in MBCA was during the george murphy/bob beltz/frank barrett > era. watching those guys operate has convinced me that this is not a club > i > ever need to be part of. it's possible it was just a bad time and > atypical, > but i can't feel comfortable signing up again. > > On 10/9/06, Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Gary, >> >> I joined MBCA in 1989 and have stuck with the club in various ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Besides, WHERE DO YOU THINK YOUR CUSTOMERS COME FROM? _ Frank Pembleton Manchester, MO KLEB FOR PREZ!! -Original Message- From: Hendrik Riessen Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 7:14 PM You have more chance of being able to change things for the better being within the club than standing on the outside and complaining about how things are run. I have issues with the local MB club as well but I do not whinge about it. I do state my views if people ask but I am not white anting the club because it is not excactly what I want it to be. Hendrik only a member of the Port Adelaide football club..go the the Power in 2007 http://portadelaidefc.com.au/default.asp although I am considering joining up with the MBCSA to see first hand how things arethen again I wouldn't want to be a member of a club that would have me as a member:-) - Original Message - From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 4:03 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA > my one year in MBCA was during the george murphy/bob beltz/frank barrett > era. watching those guys operate has convinced me that this is not a club > i > ever need to be part of. it's possible it was just a bad time and > atypical, > but i can't feel comfortable signing up again.
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You have more chance of being able to change things for the better being within the club than standing on the outside and complaining about how things are run. I have issues with the local MB club as well but I do not whinge about it. I do state my views if people ask but I am not white anting the club because it is not excactly what I want it to be. Hendrik only a member of the Port Adelaide football club..go the the Power in 2007 http://portadelaidefc.com.au/default.asp although I am considering joining up with the MBCSA to see first hand how things arethen again I wouldn't want to be a member of a club that would have me as a member:-) - Original Message - From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 4:03 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA my one year in MBCA was during the george murphy/bob beltz/frank barrett era. watching those guys operate has convinced me that this is not a club i ever need to be part of. it's possible it was just a bad time and atypical, but i can't feel comfortable signing up again. On 10/9/06, Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Gary, I joined MBCA in 1989 and have stuck with the club in various
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Larry, Answers follow... What section are you in?? If I go thru your neck of the woods, will definitely let you know. Even if I'm not elected, next May I'll be driving to the DC area for StarTech in May from Phoenix... Take care, Chuck Phoenix On Oct 9, 2006, at 1:16 PM, LarryT wrote: Hi Chuck, Glad to hear the F Barrett era is ending. A couple of questions. Will the club continue to pay for the mailing costs or will the new publisher do so? I am not familiar with the terms of the new contract, but have been assured that it will be a positive cash flow to the club. Also, will the club keep the advertising revenue instead of the publisher as in years past? Yes. Basic answer and I'm not aware of the details since I'm still just a vanilla member despite being a candidate for DAL... I would hope that in the future the financial statements in the Star Magazine will be a good deal more definitive These funds would help the club dramatically and allow the central office to help the sections fund special events like social & competitive drives, dinners, meets, concours, etc. all of which the rank and file greatly enjoy IMHO. Given a positive cash impact of the revenue from the Star, I want to see some of the Raffle profit directed to Section support. Also, it'd be nice to see The Star as a monthly or perhaps 8 X's per year instead of every other month. For the forseeable future, the Star will remain 6x a year. But, it is a goal of mine and I believe many others to get to a monthly magazine. For many members, The Star is the biggest connection to the club and more issues would provide a more cohesive feeling - And last, but not least, the membership needs to grow through a coordinated effort of all members, dealers, indys and wider publication of why it's a good idea to join MBCA! Thanks for being handy to answer questions - MBCA Member Again. ;-) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: "Chuck Landenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA Gary, I joined MBCA in 1989 and have stuck with the club in various sections in various positions.. I am a candidate for a Director at Large position in this year's election. Results will be known next Tuesday/Wednesday. I do agree with you about the state of the club in years past. It has improved greatly in the last four years and will continue to do so. There was a recent RFP distributed to evaluate/select a new editor for the Star Magazine. The current editor will produce the last issue in Jan/Feb 2007. A NEW editor will take over with the March/April issue. Entirely new organization, not related to the "future" former editor. The club will regain editorial oversight. During my tenure, if elected, I will make sure the club belongs to the members and let their voices be heard. I hope to influence a strong growth in membership.Anyone else interested in joining, please email me offline. Just came back from StarFest 2006 in Las Vegas. Over two hundred members/spouses/friends attended where a concours and driving events (Time Trials, Autocross, Acceleration Run) left a lot of smiles on lots of faces. I was one smiling also with two firsts and one second in the driving events in the 500E, Big Bro'. Not to bore all the non-members but as info.. The fall MBCA Board Meeting will be held in Phoenix, November 9-11... Anyone who wants info, send me an email offline... That's all.. Take care and be safe, Chuck Phoenix AZ On Oct 9, 2006, at 4:44 AM, Gary Hurst wrote: eh, i joined mbca once and they called the FBI on me for suggesting that the power of the club belongs to the members and not to unelected contractors and their henchman. I'd keep my distance from these freaks if I were you. On 10/9/06, Stephen D Murrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi; just joined Mercedes Benz Club of America; maybe meet some of you at the "Dinners" that they have to give & get info. & help from & to others; hope to get my credentials before next Dinner!! ha!ha! Steve ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ Fo
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Hi Chuck, Glad to hear the F Barrett era is ending. A couple of questions. Will the club continue to pay for the mailing costs or will the new publisher do so? Also, will the club keep the advertising revenue instead of the publisher as in years past? These funds would help the club dramatically and allow the central office to help the sections fund special events like social & competitive drives, dinners, meets, concours, etc. all of which the rank and file greatly enjoy IMHO. Also, it'd be nice to see The Star as a monthly or perhaps 8 X's per year instead of every other month. For many members, The Star is the biggest connection to the club and more issues would provide a more cohesive feeling - Thanks for being handy to answer questions - MBCA Member Again. ;-) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: "Chuck Landenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA Gary, I joined MBCA in 1989 and have stuck with the club in various sections in various positions.. I am a candidate for a Director at Large position in this year's election. Results will be known next Tuesday/Wednesday. I do agree with you about the state of the club in years past. It has improved greatly in the last four years and will continue to do so. There was a recent RFP distributed to evaluate/select a new editor for the Star Magazine. The current editor will produce the last issue in Jan/Feb 2007. A NEW editor will take over with the March/April issue. Entirely new organization, not related to the "future" former editor. The club will regain editorial oversight. During my tenure, if elected, I will make sure the club belongs to the members and let their voices be heard. I hope to influence a strong growth in membership.Anyone else interested in joining, please email me offline. Just came back from StarFest 2006 in Las Vegas. Over two hundred members/spouses/friends attended where a concours and driving events (Time Trials, Autocross, Acceleration Run) left a lot of smiles on lots of faces. I was one smiling also with two firsts and one second in the driving events in the 500E, Big Bro'. Not to bore all the non-members but as info.. The fall MBCA Board Meeting will be held in Phoenix, November 9-11... Anyone who wants info, send me an email offline... That's all.. Take care and be safe, Chuck Phoenix AZ On Oct 9, 2006, at 4:44 AM, Gary Hurst wrote: eh, i joined mbca once and they called the FBI on me for suggesting that the power of the club belongs to the members and not to unelected contractors and their henchman. I'd keep my distance from these freaks if I were you. On 10/9/06, Stephen D Murrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi; just joined Mercedes Benz Club of America; maybe meet some of you at the "Dinners" that they have to give & get info. & help from & to others; hope to get my credentials before next Dinner!! ha!ha! Steve ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.13.1/466 - Release Date: 10/7/2006
Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA
my one year in MBCA was during the george murphy/bob beltz/frank barrett era. watching those guys operate has convinced me that this is not a club i ever need to be part of. it's possible it was just a bad time and atypical, but i can't feel comfortable signing up again. On 10/9/06, Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Gary, I joined MBCA in 1989 and have stuck with the club in various sections in various positions.. I am a candidate for a Director at Large position in this year's election. Results will be known next Tuesday/Wednesday. I do agree with you about the state of the club in years past. It has improved greatly in the last four years and will continue to do so. There was a recent RFP distributed to evaluate/select a new editor for the Star Magazine. The current editor will produce the last issue in Jan/Feb 2007. A NEW editor will take over with the March/April issue. Entirely new organization, not related to the "future" former editor. The club will regain editorial oversight. During my tenure, if elected, I will make sure the club belongs to the members and let their voices be heard. I hope to influence a strong growth in membership.Anyone else interested in joining, please email me offline. Just came back from StarFest 2006 in Las Vegas. Over two hundred members/spouses/friends attended where a concours and driving events (Time Trials, Autocross, Acceleration Run) left a lot of smiles on lots of faces. I was one smiling also with two firsts and one second in the driving events in the 500E, Big Bro'. Not to bore all the non-members but as info.. The fall MBCA Board Meeting will be held in Phoenix, November 9-11... Anyone who wants info, send me an email offline... That's all.. Take care and be safe, Chuck Phoenix AZ On Oct 9, 2006, at 4:44 AM, Gary Hurst wrote: > eh, i joined mbca once and they called the FBI on me for suggesting > that the > power of the club belongs to the members and not to unelected > contractors > and their henchman. I'd keep my distance from these freaks if I > were you. > > On 10/9/06, Stephen D Murrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Hi; just joined Mercedes Benz Club of America; maybe meet some of >> you at >> the "Dinners" that they have to give & get info. & help from & to >> others; >> hope to get my credentials before next Dinner!! ha!ha! >> Steve >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA
Gary, I joined MBCA in 1989 and have stuck with the club in various sections in various positions.. I am a candidate for a Director at Large position in this year's election. Results will be known next Tuesday/Wednesday. I do agree with you about the state of the club in years past. It has improved greatly in the last four years and will continue to do so. There was a recent RFP distributed to evaluate/select a new editor for the Star Magazine. The current editor will produce the last issue in Jan/Feb 2007. A NEW editor will take over with the March/April issue. Entirely new organization, not related to the "future" former editor. The club will regain editorial oversight. During my tenure, if elected, I will make sure the club belongs to the members and let their voices be heard. I hope to influence a strong growth in membership.Anyone else interested in joining, please email me offline. Just came back from StarFest 2006 in Las Vegas. Over two hundred members/spouses/friends attended where a concours and driving events (Time Trials, Autocross, Acceleration Run) left a lot of smiles on lots of faces. I was one smiling also with two firsts and one second in the driving events in the 500E, Big Bro'. Not to bore all the non-members but as info.. The fall MBCA Board Meeting will be held in Phoenix, November 9-11... Anyone who wants info, send me an email offline... That's all.. Take care and be safe, Chuck Phoenix AZ On Oct 9, 2006, at 4:44 AM, Gary Hurst wrote: eh, i joined mbca once and they called the FBI on me for suggesting that the power of the club belongs to the members and not to unelected contractors and their henchman. I'd keep my distance from these freaks if I were you. On 10/9/06, Stephen D Murrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi; just joined Mercedes Benz Club of America; maybe meet some of you at the "Dinners" that they have to give & get info. & help from & to others; hope to get my credentials before next Dinner!! ha!ha! Steve ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] JOINED MBCA
eh, i joined mbca once and they called the FBI on me for suggesting that the power of the club belongs to the members and not to unelected contractors and their henchman. I'd keep my distance from these freaks if I were you. On 10/9/06, Stephen D Murrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi; just joined Mercedes Benz Club of America; maybe meet some of you at the "Dinners" that they have to give & get info. & help from & to others; hope to get my credentials before next Dinner!! ha!ha! Steve ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] JOINED MBCA
Hi; just joined Mercedes Benz Club of America; maybe meet some of you at the "Dinners" that they have to give & get info. & help from & to others; hope to get my credentials before next Dinner!! ha!ha! Steve
