Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Discussion List: coffee is hot, milkshakes are cold, and it's all about profit
*smile* When I was there we had a filter thing you ran the grease through every day. Then once a week or once every two weeks (I forget) you pumped the grease into it (the filter thing was like a shop vac on wheels) and rolled it out to a garage that had a grease dumpster and pumped from the vac thing into the dumpster. Well one time I rolled it out to the dumpster and the power went out... We were all worried about keeping cold food cold and didn't think about the grease. So 15 minutes later it occured to me, by that time I had a solid brick of fat... I went to Wal-Mart across the street and bought a paint stripper so when the power came back on I could heat it up enough to pump. One time a kid tried to walk across the surface of the grease dumpster which was about 1/2 full. He sank to his thighs in grease He went swimming in the ocean off the town dock and you could see the dogfish appear like magic... I only worked at McDs 1 month but oh the stories. -Curt Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 15:48:03 -0500 From: "andrew strasfogel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Discussion List: coffee is hot, milkshakes are cold, and it's all about profit To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ok, Curt - I'll bite. There has to be a great anecdote in there. On Jan 4, 2008 3:17 PM, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Says who? I worked there in '95 and scooped vegetable shortening from a 5 > gallon bucket (similar to an ice cream bucket) into the fryer... > When you drained the "oil" you had to get it into the oil dumpster within > 15 minutes or it'd solidify and wouldn't pump. Ask me how I know THAT one! > > -Curt - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Discussion List: coffee is hot, milkshakes are cold, and it's all about profit
A case of cane sugar coke here in Seattle is $25.00. It is in the tall bottles and tastes like heaven. Not even the junk in small glass bottles you get in the touristy south taste half as good though it too cost $1/bottle. clay On 4 Jan 2008, at 10:47, Sunny Letot wrote: > Hey, guys, has anyone noticed how long ago the McDonald's lawsuit > took place? > > It was over and done with in August of 1994! McDonald's made > whatever changes they felt necessary in their coffee temps within > no more than 12 months (at that time, they updated their protocols > and master handbooks twice a year). IF they changed them at all -- > they weren't legally obligated to do so. > > Does anyone remember what McDonald's coffee tasted like pre-1994 > and post-1995? Did you get a cup of coffee back around Thanksgiving > of 1995 and think, "What the heck? Why's my coffee cold??" > > It's business, and it's all about the money. McDonald's, like > anyone else, in in business to make money. If they can reduce costs > without losing customers, they'll do it -- that's their job, and > what their shareholders expect of them. > > If you want a real milkshake, go to to an ice cream shop like > Braum's or Ashburn's -- the general fast food industry has been > using mellorine (think DQ) for decades. > > Go to the grocery store and price dairy products -- butter, > cream, and milk are FAR more expensive that margarine and non-dairy > coffee creamer. Same deal with real ice cream v. the fake stuff, > until you get into the special diet stuff, i.e. Atkins, Sount > Beach, etc. Also, milk products have a limited shelf life, which > means you've got to throw it away if you don't use it all before > the due date. That non-dairy stuff has a longer life than a 617 > diesel, so you can buy 6 months supply at once! That's a better > deal -- less spoilage loss, less base cost, and a discount for bulk > purchase. > > Oh, and the french fries? No one "made" McDonald's give up the > beef tallow. (And yes, the fries were crisper and tastier fried in > 93% tallow and 7% cottonseed oil!) The reason they used the tallow > mixture is that it had an indefinite shelf life, and was, back in > the day, much cheaper than any other fat they could use for frying. > However, when they began to expand into other countries and run > into Hindu objections regarding beef consumption (don't ask me why > a hamburger joint would try to market to Hindus -- that one's > beyond me!), along with the Surgeon General's long-standing warning > about saturated fat, they changed to vegetable oil. There are no > trans fats in their fries -- trans fats are a product of > hydrogenation (to make the oil solid at room temp), and McDonald's > uses liquid shortening in their fryers and has since they stopped > using tallow -- it's easier and faster, i.e. saves time and money. > > Does anyone remember how bottled Coke tasted 30 years ago? No?? > It was different -- cane sugar costs more to produce than corn > syrup (which was, for many years, just a waste by-product of corn > processing), and Coca Cola saw the cost benefits. They cut their > costs, while leaving our cost the same and steadily escalating it > -- a better profit margin for their stockholders. You can taste the > original Coke in Mexico -- labor being cheaper there, and the diet > being far moe dependent on whole corn than ours, they still use > cane sugar in Coca Cola. There are a number of stores serving the > Hispanic community in the U.S. that import "real" Coke. > > And there's one plant in Dublin, Texas that still produces Dr > Pepper with cane sugar instead of corn syrup, and gets a premium > price for it. > > Like I said, it's just business, and it's all about the money. > Most corporations are amoral -- they go where the profits lead > them. Those of us on this list enjoy the products of a corporation > (Daimler Benz) that was able to produce a quality product at a > profit, and continues to support what it produced. It's a niche > market, and one I'm glad to be part of. > > We're also lucky to have access to folks like Rusty and others, > who are NOT corporations, and while they need to make a profit, > they make it by providing excellent products and great customer > service. Don't look to an international corporation for that kind > of service! > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/ma
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Discussion List: coffee is hot, milkshakes are cold, and it's all about profit
Thanks, John, for the Coke bottle label info. I'll make sure to smuggle some back next year when we go to the Victoria race. Our team didn't vote for it this year (sad, very sad), but plenty of teams need paddlers for that race. We've gone in 3-5 paddlers short two years in a row since enthusiasm seems to wane near the end of summer. I guess those of us who don't find a team will miss out on the Canadian Coca-Cola and, oops, almost forgot, the racing too! Hopefully, we'll have some time to meet since you live close to the Inner Harbour... Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 266Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Discussion List: coffee is hot, milkshakes are cold, and it's all about profit
let's see, well being from victoria bc mmm Coke bottle says... carbonated water, sugar/ glucose-fructose, carmel Nope no mention of CORN. Mind we don't have a corn lobby that ensures the government pays for the entire cost of making the corn, thus making sugar from corn *free* for large corporations, well maybe not, but I won't be surprised. On Jan 4, 2008, at 2:02 PM, Kevin Kraly wrote: > While I was in Canada participating in the Victoria B.C. Dragon Boat > Festival, I noticed quite a difference in their coke compared to > ours here > in the states. It tasted so much better and more like the coke of > old. I > never thought that there was a change in the taste of coke over the > years > until then. For that matter, the Canadian Sprite is also much > better too, > eh? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Discussion List: coffee is hot, milkshakes are cold, and it's all about profit
You can taste the original Coke in Mexico -- labor being cheaper there, and the diet being far more dependent on whole corn than ours, they still use cane sugar in Coca Cola. While I was in Canada participating in the Victoria B.C. Dragon Boat Festival, I noticed quite a difference in their coke compared to ours here in the states. It tasted so much better and more like the coke of old. I never thought that there was a change in the taste of coke over the years until then. For that matter, the Canadian Sprite is also much better too, eh? Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 266Kmi, Ursula PS. I've heard that our US diesel hasn't been too good either. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Discussion List: coffee is hot, milkshakes are cold, and it's all about profit
Ok, Curt - I'll bite. There has to be a great anecdote in there. On Jan 4, 2008 3:17 PM, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Says who? I worked there in '95 and scooped vegetable shortening from a 5 > gallon bucket (similar to an ice cream bucket) into the fryer... > When you drained the "oil" you had to get it into the oil dumpster within > 15 minutes or it'd solidify and wouldn't pump. Ask me how I know THAT one! > > -Curt > > Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 10:47:32 -0800 (PST) > From: Sunny Letot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [MBZ] Mercedes Discussion List: coffee is hot, milkshakes are > cold, and it's all about profit > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > There are no trans fats in their fries -- trans fats are a > product of hydrogenation (to make the oil solid at room temp), and > McDonald's uses liquid shortening in their fryers and has since they > stopped > using tallow -- it's easier and faster, i.e. saves time and money. > > > - > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it > now. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Discussion List: coffee is hot, milkshakes are cold, and it's all about profit
ROFLOL!! Much funnier than if you had worked at Little Caesar's. On Jan 4, 2008 2:30 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i worked at a little ceaser's once and that was ONE CRAPPY JOB. > > On Jan 4, 2008 2:23 PM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Your account does not correlate to my knowledge. Have you worked in a > > McDonalds? > > > > Allan > > -- > > 1983 300D > > 1966 230 > > > > Sunny Letot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > Oh, and the french fries? No one "made" McDonald's give up the beef > > > tallow. (And yes, the fries were crisper and tastier fried in 93% > > > tallow and 7% cottonseed oil!) The reason they used the tallow mixture > > > is that it had an indefinite shelf life, and was, back in the day, > > > much cheaper than any other fat they could use for frying. However, > > > when they began to expand into other countries and run into Hindu > > > objections regarding beef consumption (don't ask me why a hamburger > > > joint would try to market to Hindus -- that one's beyond me!), along > > > with the Surgeon General's long-standing warning about saturated fat, > > > they changed to vegetable oil. There are no trans fats in their fries > > > -- trans fats are a product of hydrogenation (to make the oil solid at > > > room temp), and McDonald's uses liquid shortening in their fryers and > > > has since they stopped using tallow -- it's easier and faster, > > > i.e. saves time and money. > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Mercedes Discussion List: coffee is hot, milkshakes are cold, and it's all about profit
Says who? I worked there in '95 and scooped vegetable shortening from a 5 gallon bucket (similar to an ice cream bucket) into the fryer... When you drained the "oil" you had to get it into the oil dumpster within 15 minutes or it'd solidify and wouldn't pump. Ask me how I know THAT one! -Curt Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 10:47:32 -0800 (PST) From: Sunny Letot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [MBZ] Mercedes Discussion List: coffee is hot, milkshakes are cold, and it's all about profit To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 There are no trans fats in their fries -- trans fats are a product of hydrogenation (to make the oil solid at room temp), and McDonald's uses liquid shortening in their fryers and has since they stopped using tallow -- it's easier and faster, i.e. saves time and money. - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Discussion List: coffee is hot, milkshakes are cold, and it's all about profit
Allan Streib wrote: > > Your account does not correlate to my knowledge. Have you worked in a > McDonalds? Yeah, I thought all the bioburners said that McD's fryer grease was solid at room temperatures and came in baggies in cardboard boxes instead of the 35lb plastic carboys that soy oil comes in. I always assumed the current stuff was palm or other tropical oil. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Discussion List: coffee is hot, milkshakes are cold, and it's all about profit
i worked at a little ceaser's once and that was ONE CRAPPY JOB. On Jan 4, 2008 2:23 PM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Your account does not correlate to my knowledge. Have you worked in a > McDonalds? > > Allan > -- > 1983 300D > 1966 230 > > Sunny Letot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Oh, and the french fries? No one "made" McDonald's give up the beef > > tallow. (And yes, the fries were crisper and tastier fried in 93% > > tallow and 7% cottonseed oil!) The reason they used the tallow mixture > > is that it had an indefinite shelf life, and was, back in the day, > > much cheaper than any other fat they could use for frying. However, > > when they began to expand into other countries and run into Hindu > > objections regarding beef consumption (don't ask me why a hamburger > > joint would try to market to Hindus -- that one's beyond me!), along > > with the Surgeon General's long-standing warning about saturated fat, > > they changed to vegetable oil. There are no trans fats in their fries > > -- trans fats are a product of hydrogenation (to make the oil solid at > > room temp), and McDonald's uses liquid shortening in their fryers and > > has since they stopped using tallow -- it's easier and faster, > > i.e. saves time and money. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Discussion List: coffee is hot, milkshakes are cold, and it's all about profit
Your account does not correlate to my knowledge. Have you worked in a McDonalds? Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 Sunny Letot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Oh, and the french fries? No one "made" McDonald's give up the beef > tallow. (And yes, the fries were crisper and tastier fried in 93% > tallow and 7% cottonseed oil!) The reason they used the tallow mixture > is that it had an indefinite shelf life, and was, back in the day, > much cheaper than any other fat they could use for frying. However, > when they began to expand into other countries and run into Hindu > objections regarding beef consumption (don't ask me why a hamburger > joint would try to market to Hindus -- that one's beyond me!), along > with the Surgeon General's long-standing warning about saturated fat, > they changed to vegetable oil. There are no trans fats in their fries > -- trans fats are a product of hydrogenation (to make the oil solid at > room temp), and McDonald's uses liquid shortening in their fryers and > has since they stopped using tallow -- it's easier and faster, > i.e. saves time and money. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Mercedes Discussion List: coffee is hot, milkshakes are cold, and it's all about profit
Hey, guys, has anyone noticed how long ago the McDonald's lawsuit took place? It was over and done with in August of 1994! McDonald's made whatever changes they felt necessary in their coffee temps within no more than 12 months (at that time, they updated their protocols and master handbooks twice a year). IF they changed them at all -- they weren't legally obligated to do so. Does anyone remember what McDonald's coffee tasted like pre-1994 and post-1995? Did you get a cup of coffee back around Thanksgiving of 1995 and think, "What the heck? Why's my coffee cold??" It's business, and it's all about the money. McDonald's, like anyone else, in in business to make money. If they can reduce costs without losing customers, they'll do it -- that's their job, and what their shareholders expect of them. If you want a real milkshake, go to to an ice cream shop like Braum's or Ashburn's -- the general fast food industry has been using mellorine (think DQ) for decades. Go to the grocery store and price dairy products -- butter, cream, and milk are FAR more expensive that margarine and non-dairy coffee creamer. Same deal with real ice cream v. the fake stuff, until you get into the special diet stuff, i.e. Atkins, Sount Beach, etc. Also, milk products have a limited shelf life, which means you've got to throw it away if you don't use it all before the due date. That non-dairy stuff has a longer life than a 617 diesel, so you can buy 6 months supply at once! That's a better deal -- less spoilage loss, less base cost, and a discount for bulk purchase. Oh, and the french fries? No one "made" McDonald's give up the beef tallow. (And yes, the fries were crisper and tastier fried in 93% tallow and 7% cottonseed oil!) The reason they used the tallow mixture is that it had an indefinite shelf life, and was, back in the day, much cheaper than any other fat they could use for frying. However, when they began to expand into other countries and run into Hindu objections regarding beef consumption (don't ask me why a hamburger joint would try to market to Hindus -- that one's beyond me!), along with the Surgeon General's long-standing warning about saturated fat, they changed to vegetable oil. There are no trans fats in their fries -- trans fats are a product of hydrogenation (to make the oil solid at room temp), and McDonald's uses liquid shortening in their fryers and has since they stopped using tallow -- it's easier and faster, i.e. saves time and money. Does anyone remember how bottled Coke tasted 30 years ago? No?? It was different -- cane sugar costs more to produce than corn syrup (which was, for many years, just a waste by-product of corn processing), and Coca Cola saw the cost benefits. They cut their costs, while leaving our cost the same and steadily escalating it -- a better profit margin for their stockholders. You can taste the original Coke in Mexico -- labor being cheaper there, and the diet being far moe dependent on whole corn than ours, they still use cane sugar in Coca Cola. There are a number of stores serving the Hispanic community in the U.S. that import "real" Coke. And there's one plant in Dublin, Texas that still produces Dr Pepper with cane sugar instead of corn syrup, and gets a premium price for it. Like I said, it's just business, and it's all about the money. Most corporations are amoral -- they go where the profits lead them. Those of us on this list enjoy the products of a corporation (Daimler Benz) that was able to produce a quality product at a profit, and continues to support what it produced. It's a niche market, and one I'm glad to be part of. We're also lucky to have access to folks like Rusty and others, who are NOT corporations, and while they need to make a profit, they make it by providing excellent products and great customer service. Don't look to an international corporation for that kind of service! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
