Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

$$$, and time. I don't have one unless I take it off the engine from Wilton's 300D, but I'd rather keep that as whole as possible (I should sell it on BAT for $3000). Swapping an injection pump is a lot of work. Injectors, delivery valves, turbo waste gate adjustment, glow plugs, all these

Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

Why have you not just put the proper pump on the car? Sent from my iPhone > On May 10, 2017, at 7:56 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > I think this chapter can be closed. > > Tonight I replaced #3 delivery valve with a used valve from the original > injection

Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

And they said it couldn't be done . . . On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 7:56 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I think this chapter can be closed. > > Tonight I replaced #3 delivery valve with a used valve from the original > injection pump. It went in with a fresh copper

Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

I think this chapter can be closed. Tonight I replaced #3 delivery valve with a used valve from the original injection pump. It went in with a fresh copper washer and O-ring, re-using the original spring (which was new back when I overhauled all the delivery valves when I installed this pump).

Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

I agree, jury is still out until I get these injectors right. - Max Charleston SC On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 10:20 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > There is your problem then, that is the "ah-ha moment" you've been looking > for. > At the lower nozzle crack

Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

There is your problem then, that is the "ah-ha moment" you've been looking for. At the lower nozzle crack pressure the fuel delivery will be early, which in effect "advances timing" plus, because it is low, fuel spray droplet size is large, rather than fine, which gives poor combustion under load.

Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

The original broke in such a way that the crack extends into the round sleeve so far that it will continuously leak oil at a high rate. Also I just queried the guy who serviced and set the injector pressures, and he set them at 115 bar, not 135 bar, so I've got to pull those and return to him

Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

The '78 240D Dwight sold me used to like an occasional quart of motor oil. I'd put in a quart of whatever was cheap. Quieted the engine for a couple thousand miles. Figured it might be all in my head but it didn't cost much. Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 5:45

Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

Why don't you just put on the original IP? THe broken ear won't matter as long as you are careul to tighten down the remaining 2 carefully. It only hangs there.. Max Dillon via Mercedes March 16, 2017 at 4:58 PM I took a long hard look in each pre-chamber,

Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

Rather than dumping ATF into the fuel, which is my mind has always been a somewhat questionable practice, do a couple of rounds of Diesel Purge at the pump then hit it with a couple of bottles of Red Line Diesel Fuel Catalyst. You can find it at Pep Boys among other FLAPS. If that doesn’t

Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

Thanks Roger, that's also a cheap and easy thing to try. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On March 16, 2017 8:45:23 PM EDT, rogerhga--- via Mercedes wrote: >Max, >Poor a pint or quart of trans fluid in the tank and run it through. It >will lube everything

Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

Max, Poor a pint or quart of trans fluid in the tank and run it through. It will lube everything in the system. If that doesn't help, it may be time to do what I always recommend...see a mechanic. Or...get an older 617. I'm sure Dan could fix you up with one that would only take 2-3 months to

Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 22:10:57 + (UTC) Curt Raymond wrote: > I had decent luck running it through the tank but in this case I think > anything other than running it directly off a can is a waste of time. > Curt I have always used it directly off a can. Craig > Sent

Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

Craig, yes, twice. Each time that has cleared up the symptoms entirely. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On March 16, 2017 5:56:19 PM EDT, Craig via Mercedes wrote: >On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 17:50:47 -0400 Max Dillon via Mercedes > wrote:

Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

I had decent luck running it through the tank but in this case I think anything other than running it directly off a can is a waste of time. Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 2:56 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 17:50:47

Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

I took a long hard look in each pre-chamber, nothing amiss that I could see. After cleaning up #1 & #2, with all injectors out, I cranked the engine through a few revolutions to blast out any junk that might have fallen in. Easy / cheap to try swapping out the DVs, compared to procuring and

Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 17:50:47 -0400 Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: > I'm tempted to dump a can of diesel purge in the tank, easy enough, > drive it hard for another couple weeks and then reevaluate. I presume you have run it with the supply and return lines directly in a

Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

By the end of today, about fifty or sixty miles, there seems to be a little improvement. When I parked at work this a.m., there was a miss at idle, which is new, and I thought "Ok, I can trouble-shoot that!". That miss was gone when I got home this afternoon. I'm tempted to dump a can of

Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

On 16/03/2017 3:58 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 15:33:02 -0500 Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: Use your imagination. What else might be done with a small catheter cam? So, all kinds of things can be done with a small catheter cam, but none of

Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 15:33:02 -0500 Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: > Use your imagination. > What else might be done with a small catheter cam? So, all kinds of things can be done with a small catheter cam, but none of them are being done and, specifically, none of them

Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

On 16/03/2017 2:52 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 13:56:10 -0500 Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: On 16/03/2017 1:38 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 10:37:05 -0400 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:

Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 13:56:10 -0500 Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: > On 16/03/2017 1:38 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: > > On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 10:37:05 -0400 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes > > wrote: > > > >> "CRINGING" > >> > >> --FT > > > Why? > >

Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

On 16/03/2017 1:38 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 10:37:05 -0400 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote: "CRINGING" --FT Why? Craig ___ "With a small catheter cam" RB ___

Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 10:37:05 -0400 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote: > "CRINGING" > > --FT Why? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options

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"CRINGING" --FT On 3/16/17 10:05 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: With a small catheter cam, you should be able to see the holes in the end -- --FT Winston Churchill: “Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to

Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

With the nozzle holder and heat shield out, you can visually inspect the prechambers, except the 6 holes in the tip. With a small catheter cam, you should be able to see the holes in the end, you just have to get around the ball in the prechamber. I think the next step (other than Kle'bs

Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

When I had that issue it took 2 diesel purges and a tank full of driving and it seems mostly ok now. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 16, 2017, at 7:53 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > Status update > > Timing has been corrected, didn't help. > > Turbo boost

Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

Status update Timing has been corrected, didn't help. Turbo boost restored to ~14 psi, and that helped to resolve a lot of the problem. Smoke is gone, but the nailing persists. Correct glow plugs installed, didn't help. Injectors with new Monark nozzles installed tonight, and if anything the

Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

More on the rough idle. This started a few days before I adjusted the boost pressure up, so I can't blame this on that. Immediately after starting (and the engine fires right up quickly), probably while the glow plugs are still hot, the idle is smooth and even, and within a few seconds it

Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

Karl, rough idle after cold start lasts until I drive off, I don't sit and idle. I usually drive off after thirty seconds or so. If I increase engine speed a bit and let it drop down, that will sometimes cure it. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On January 23, 2017 10:37:09 PM

Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

Glad to hear it is acting better. More boost will lower the egt though, not raise it. How long after start does it smooth out? On Jan 23, 2017 3:06 PM, "Meade Dillon" wrote: Status report: Tonight on the drive home from work, boost was hitting as high as 12.5 psi.

Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

Status report: Tonight on the drive home from work, boost was hitting as high as 12.5 psi. I've done nothing since Saturday night, so I'm not sure why measured boost jumped from 9.5 to 12.5 psi. I shortened the control rod by 1.5 turns, which my research indicated should have increased the boost

Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

up? >Isn't the ALDA's job to increase fueling with boost? >-Curt > > > From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> >Cc: Meade Dillon <dillonm...@gmail.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 201

Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

on <dillonm...@gmail.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 8:11 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do? > >I turned up the boost a little, now I've got 9.5 psi. > >Guess what?  It runs better now!  Dark and stormy here, so I can't >report >on

Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

I agree, and so that will be next on the schedule. Already have the intake manifold gasket and the proper glow plugs. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On January 22, 2017 9:59:47 AM EST, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes wrote: >Considering that the glow

Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

The last "fix" was replacing the original IP with an IP from a 3.5 liter engine. Another "fix" was reusing the glow plugs from a different early head, now I have a later head with oblique injection. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On January 22, 2017 3:17:45 PM EST, Rick Knoble

Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

‎Max sez:  >‎ No miss at idle, idle is smooth and >even. The problem is knocking and >>smoking under acceleration. Diesel >purge will clear it up for a week or two. As my auto mechanics teacher used to ask "what was the last thing you 'fixed', before the problem started?". Rick

Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

mail.com> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 8:11 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do? I turned up the boost a little, now I've got 9.5 psi. Guess what?  It runs better now!  Dark and stormy here, so I can't report on the smoke or lack thereof. What a royal pain to adj

Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

Considering that the glow plugs are a critica part of the pre combustion chamber and shape, that seems like a good thing to start with. On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 8:43 AM Max Dillon via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I may end up there, but first I'll try the easy/simple/cheap things. >

Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

I may end up there, but first I'll try the easy/simple/cheap things. I know the boost is low, and I know the glow plugs are wrong, and I suspect the ALDA is still turned up a bit. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On January 22, 2017 8:16:56 AM EST, "Kaleb C. Striplin via

Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

original IP and Injectors. Neither ever removed. On 01/22/2017 8:16 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: Wrong IP and/or bad injectors. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 22, 2017, at 6:18 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: No miss at idle, idle is smooth and even.

Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

Wrong IP and/or bad injectors. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 22, 2017, at 6:18 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > No miss at idle, idle is smooth and even. > > The problem is knocking and smoking under acceleration. Diesel purge will > clear it up for a week or

Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

No miss at idle, idle is smooth and even. The problem is knocking and smoking under acceleration. Diesel purge will clear it up for a week or two. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On January 21, 2017 10:48:31 PM EST, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: >An

Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

An injector seldom goes bad to the point of a miss, unless the lines were opened, and dirt allowed into the system. When old and worn, they get dribbly, but that makes a knock, not a miss. The copper washers in the delivery valve/holder do go bad, sometimes pretty suddenly. Even leaking DV

Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

That's a good thought, I really should get a pop-tester and start rolling my own. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On January 21, 2017 8:43:25 PM EST, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes wrote: >The diesel purge improvement is a strong suggestion that you have

Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

The diesel purge improvement is a strong suggestion that you have injector issues. It would only take one behaving badly to cause all sorts of trouble. Get your injectors pop tested and prepare for a rebuild. Jaime On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 1:09 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <

Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

No, there's no indication that is the problem, 0-60 was around 12.5 seconds before I turned up the boost, maybe tomorrow I'll measure that again. - Max Charleston SC On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 7:00 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > uh? did you blow out

Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

I turned up the boost a little, now I've got 9.5 psi. Guess what? It runs better now! Dark and stormy here, so I can't report on the smoke or lack thereof. What a royal pain to adjust the waste-gate (Garrett) on these cars! I turned the rod 1.5 turns tighter, which I had understood should

Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

uh? did you blow out the turbo control line from the intake manifold? Meade Dillon via Mercedes January 21, 2017 at 4:35 PM I decided that my first move would be checking the turbo boost. Ordered a VDO gauge from www.egauges.com for $30, it arrived this a.m., and

Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

I agree that putting the wrong pump on the car is asking for problems and might explain everything. I support swapping the correct pump back in. I don't understand why diesel additive would affect anything, unless it changes the cetane rating of the fuel. If smoke is the main issue, rather than

Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

None of that would have anything to do with rough running. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 21, 2017, at 4:35 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > I decided that my first move would be checking the turbo boost. Ordered a > VDO gauge from www.egauges.com for $30, it

Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

I decided that my first move would be checking the turbo boost. Ordered a VDO gauge from www.egauges.com for $30, it arrived this a.m., and just hooked that all up (between rainstorms here) and went for a little spin. Looks like maximum boost is about 8 psi (0.55 bar), factory spec is 12.5 psi to

Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

Injector knock can be a number of things, but I would replace the IP, they are not really interchangeable. Knock and smoke at speed is over advanced timing as a rule, but you may want to check that the injection timer isn't broken. Late timing won't cause knock but it will cause smoke, mostly

Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

You got to get that 3.5 pump off there, they are set up for a completely different rpm range. The 3.5 runs at a much lower rpm than the 3.0. And the 126 3.5 is a little different than the 140 version. Aside from that, if it clears up for a while with diesel purge, it sounds like you might need

Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

Maybe a compression check? Maybe an egt monitor or Afr sensor in the tailpipe to get a sense of the mix. Or just turn the boost up and see how it goes. On Jan 15, 2017 10:10 AM, "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" wrote: Dieselvolk, Here's the situation: My 124.193, with

[MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

Dieselvolk, Here's the situation: My 124.193, with 365k miles, isn't running well at all. Under anything more than gentle throttle, the engine pings and smokes. Mileage is bad, around 22 mpg in town, about 25 on the highway. I used to get about 26 in town, 28 on the highway. Starts fine,