, April 06, 2006 6:36 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] My friend the Italian Tuneup
Good question-I have thought that German tune up is more appropriate,
given the autobahns and the legendary speeds there.
FWIW
Dwight Giles, Jr
1979 240D auto, 250K + miles
1990 300D
Good question-I have thought that German tune up is more appropriate,
given the autobahns and the legendary speeds there.
Not at all, a German tune-up requires the ministrations of Dieter
and an open wallet. ("Der blinkenhoffer ist out of spec. five
nanohotzens, und sie need a new one...")
It
On Apr 6, 2006, at 7:35 AM, Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote:
Good question-I have thought that German tune up is more appropriate,
given the autobahns and the legendary speeds there.
FWIW
Dwight Giles, Jr
It has already been dubbed Italian Tune-Up in the early days of
these forums. Ever been t
Behalf Of Bill Gallagher
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 10:48 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] My friend the Italian Tuneup
Why is the word " Italian " used to cure a problem? Can *4r&3$ be used
to cause the problem in the first place???
Bill
1981 300 TD
I would believe that having two large football players worth of weight
added to your own will increase the load on the engine when you are
trying to get it going from stop, or accelerate on the freeway. A full
tank is only 160 lb. Dead flat like KS or FL may allow you to flog the
engine a bit
Why is the word " Italian " used to cure a problem? Can *4r&3$ be used
to cause the problem in the first place???
Bill
1981 300 TD
Not a Italian
archer wrote:
You might have something there. I knew a farmer who used his old 200D to
take as many bags of feed as the car would hold to his c
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From: "redghost" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Toss a bunch of sand bags into the trunk and then try to reach highway
speeds. Might have a few in the rear foot wells. 400 lb ought to give
the car a work out.
I once had fifteen 500' spools of siamese video cable in
You might have something there. I knew a farmer who used his old 200D to
take as many bags of feed as the car would hold to his cattle way out in the
field. He took the seats out and piled feed sacks up to the roof and in the
trunk. He started using it because his pickup truck kept breaking
Toss a bunch of sand bags into the trunk and then try to reach highway
speeds. Might have a few in the rear foot wells. 400 lb ought to give
the car a work out.
On Sunday, April 2, 2006, at 03:06 PM, archer wrote:
archer wrote:
Steve Auto Clinics in Zambia have a long and seemingly thorou
On Apr 3, 2006, at 9:48 AM, Jim Cathey wrote:
I have heard of it as being poured in, as a dribble. Maybe a
minute to
empty a pop can kind of rate.
-- Jim
You can increase the flow until it starts to affect how the engine
runs without damage.
Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am
To be clear we're talking about peeing a relatively small stream of
water into the airstream right? Not like we're pouring from a five
gallon bucket, when I've heard of this being done its with a
relatively small squirt bottle.
I have heard of it as being poured in, as a dribble. Maybe a minu
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trip. The car not
only didn't seem to have any damage from it it seemed to run better.
It did consume extra oil running wide open like that.
-Curt
Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 17:15:48 -0400
From: Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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I'll chime in and say earlier in the year we climbed a few thousand
feet, with five in the 83 300TDt in 3rd gear, pedal to the
floor, temp didn't go much over 100c, which is what was expected...
On 2-Apr-06, at 2:15 PM, Marshall Booth wrote:
I've NEVER heard of a Mercedes turbodiesel burning u
On Apr 2, 2006, at 5:28 PM, Rick Knoble wrote:
'cuz diesels don't have carbs
Yabbut they have an air intake. You don't want to just dump a huge
amount of water in, bring it up a little at a time at about 1500-1700
rpm. I have used my pressure sprayer with variable nozzle.
Kinda
archer wrote:
Marshall
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In a previous article about Italian tuneups you wrote:
...The chain stretch should be below 5 degrees or so, the valves
should be properly adjusted, the air and fuel filters should be verifiably
clean, and there should be cle
archer wrote:
Steve Auto Clinics in Zambia have a long and seemingly thorough
discussion
of EGT versus engine life:
http://www.steves.co.za/Engine_Protection_Units_1.html
From reading it I get the impression that the typical Italian Tuneup
might
be somewhat risky.
I've NEVER heard of an unmo
On Apr 2, 2006, at 1:34 PM, Rick Knoble wrote:
I remember this trick for gas cars, pouring water into the
carburetor. I
didn't realize you could do it with diesels too.
Why not?
'cuz diesels don't have carbs
Kinda wondered about the
effect on the turbo...
You guys worry about tur
archer wrote:
Steve Auto Clinics in Zambia have a long and seemingly thorough discussion
of EGT versus engine life:
http://www.steves.co.za/Engine_Protection_Units_1.html
From reading it I get the impression that the typical Italian Tuneup might
be somewhat risky.
I've NEVER heard of an unmo
On Apr 2, 2006, at 2:04 PM, archer wrote:
As I understand it, the water temperature is the guideline when
going up a
mountain grade under full load. If the water temperature is gradually
raised to the same value while driving in flat country, wouldn't the
combustion chamber temperature be th
On Apr 2, 2006, at 1:34 PM, Rick Knoble wrote:
I remember this trick for gas cars, pouring water into the
carburetor. I
didn't realize you could do it with diesels too.
Why not?
Kinda wondered about the
effect on the turbo...
Rick Knoble
You guys worry abou
As I understand it, the water temperature is the guideline when going
up a
mountain grade under full load. If the water temperature is gradually
raised to the same value while driving in flat country, wouldn't the
combustion chamber temperature be the same?
No, there's a heck of a multiplier op
archer wrote:
As I understand it, the water temperature is the guideline when going up a
mountain grade under full load. If the water temperature is gradually
raised to the same value while driving in flat country, wouldn't the
combustion chamber temperature be the same?
The coolant temp wil
archer wrote:
I once suggested putting just enough cardboard in front of the radiator to
hold the water temperature, and thereby the engine temperature, at a
specific value while driving in flat country at a given speed.
Since driving up a mountain grade with the engine under maximum stress i
As I understand it, the water temperature is the guideline when going
up a
mountain grade under full load. If the water temperature is gradually
raised to the same value while driving in flat country, wouldn't the
combustion chamber temperature be the same?
No, there's a heck of a multiplier o
Pyrometers were the gold standard for preventing engine
damage back then. I wonder if anyone on the group has a pyrometer
installed
on their MB?
Gerry Archer
Oh yeah. Some of these guys are true hot-rodders and yes they have
pyrometers installed. Dave M. comes to mind
http://www.buymbp
Archer wrote:
I once suggested putting just enough cardboard in front of the
radiator to
hold the water temperature, and thereby the engine temperature, at a
specific value while driving in flat country at a given speed.
Jim Cathey wrote:
The temperature you're aiming to raise is that inside
carbon build-up can be minimized. Pouring water into the intake of a
running engine also gets rid of carbon, possibly even more
effectively than beating the crap out of your car on flat ground.
I remember this trick for gas cars, pouring water into the carburetor. I
didn't realize you could do
On Apr 2, 2006, at 11:35 AM, archer wrote:
I once suggested putting just enough cardboard in front of the
radiator to
hold the water temperature, and thereby the engine temperature, at a
specific value while driving in flat country at a given speed.
Bad idea, real bad but it is your
I once suggested putting just enough cardboard in front of the
radiator to
hold the water temperature, and thereby the engine temperature, at a
specific value while driving in flat country at a given speed.
The temperature you're aiming to raise is that inside the cylinder,
to the point where i
On Apr 2, 2006, at 6:06 AM, Zoltan Finks wrote:
how - with Italian-ness in mind - do I know when to shift?
There are littl marks on the face of your speedo. 1= top oft of
first, 2= top of second, 3= top of third. Shift before these points.
You really can't over-rev if the governor is functionin
Zoltan Finks wrote:
This leads into another question I've had: On flat ground, what is the rpm
that I should shift at? As you know, I do not have a tach, so the question
becomes, how - with Italian-ness in mind - do I know when to shift? (as I
write this, I think that all those of Italian descen
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] My friend the Italian Tuneup
So it sounds like I'm doing well by being banshee man in the flat city.
But it would be better if I had some hills to flog on. The thing must
have LOVED our trip from AZ to MN - with the rockies and all. I spent a
lo
On Apr 2, 2006, at 6:06 AM, Zoltan Finks wrote:
how - with Italian-ness in mind - do I know when to shift?
There are littl marks on the face of your speedo. 1= top oft of
first, 2= top of second, 3= top of third. Shift before these points.
You really can't over-rev if the governor is fun
So it sounds like I'm doing well by being banshee man in the flat city. But
it would be better if I had some hills to flog on. The thing must have LOVED
our trip from AZ to MN - with the rockies and all. I spent a lot of time
floor-boarded just to try to keep as close to 60 mph as possible.
This l
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> How do those of us who don't live near mountains accomplish this?
Head towards the nearest mountains.
John L. Ervine
1981 2
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On Apr 1, 2006, at 6:07 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
which is a more important element of the Italian Tune-up: the
RPMs or
the acceleration?
Revving out on flat ground won't do a lot. The engine needs to be
under load at higher revs not actually able to run up against the
governor. This is wh
On 4/1/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> You wrote:< to run up against the
> governor.>>
>
> How do those of us who don't live near mountains accomplish this?
>
It's Saturday night! Call four of your biggest friends and invite them out
for an evening of drag-racing kids in soup
Zoltan Finks wrote:
Glad I saw this thread. I've been wondering, as I put my 240D through its
paces, which is a more important element of the Italian Tune-up: the RPMs or
the acceleration? I've been following the advice of the list and driving my
new (used) engine in banshee-like fashion.
The
Curt Raymond wrote:
> Neither, its really more of full power used over time. Its the extra heat
> developed at full power that loosens the carbon and time that allows it to
> flake off and come out.
I gave my car a mini Italian tuneup last week, driving on the freeway in
S. It saw RPMs and wat
Ahh. And there are definite corollaries between Volvo owners and Saab
owners. We all just like well-made, intelligently-designed autos.
Glad I saw this thread. I've been wondering, as I put my 240D through its
paces, which is a more important element of the Italian Tune-up: the RPMs or
the acceler
Curt Raymond wrote:
> I've been a convert for a few years now, why else would I subject myself to
> this?
> Most people don't understand but I was talking to a guy the other day who
> said "I'm like that with Volvos". We got on great.
Having owned both, I see a lot of parallels between Volvo a
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Curt wrote:<< I a
On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:47:26 -0700 "Bob Rentfro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Everyone in the world thinks you are nuts, Curt...except us. We
> understand. These "heaps" (as someone called my 300D the other day) are
> more than transportation.
>
> I am a bit verklempt...talk among yourselves...
Mhm, well written my friend. Worth the quotes page if I must say.
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Consider my friend the Italian tuneup. This week I've been driving my
190D like I stole it, 45 miles each way to work and home. 4th gear and
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Subject: [MBZ] My friend the Italian Tuneup
Consider my friend the Italian tuneup. This week I've been driving my
190D like I stole it, 45 miles each way to work and home. 4th gear and
65-80 miles an hour the whole way. Its become my mission to keep the
tachometer above 3000rpm as
age -
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Subject: [MBZ] My friend the Italian Tuneup
Consider my friend the Italian tuneup. This week I've been driving my 190D
like I st
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Consider my friend the Italian tuneup. This week I've been driving my 190D like
I stole it, 45 miles each way to work and home. 4th gear and 65-80 miles an
hour the whole way. Its become my mission to keep the tachometer above 3000rpm
as much as possible. Around town I find myself staying in sec
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