Re: [MBZ] OT: Novel approach to beating the pandemic.

2020-08-14 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes 
And in typical fashion, the fake news media took the 100% positive test results 
to loudly proclaim the sky is falling and the end is near.  These deceptive 
news reports are very sensational and drive up ratings with certain segments 
and thus increase revenue from ad sales, while simultaneously a vast majority 
of Americans surveyed report that they don't trust the media.  Mark Twain was 
right: if you don't read the papers you are uninformed, if you do read the 
papers you are misinformed...
Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Aug 14, 2020 10:11:13 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes :

> It would appear that one possible reason for Florida test centers reporting 
> 100% positive tests is that they only thought they had to report positive 
> tests. Realistically most people, especially a couple months ago, only cared 
> about the number of positive tests each day. Of course that doesn't give you 
> a good impression of whats going on but most people are idiots...
> -Curt
> 
> On Friday, August 14, 2020, 2:11:35 AM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Around here they are saying that false negatives are a thing, but false
> positives are almost zero. That's very convenient for the lockdown
> enthusiasts. Yet we have heard about the testing centers in Florida that
> reported 100% positive tests.
> 
> Like so much about this situation, who knows what to believe.
> 
> I fall back on common sense. Wash your hands. Stay home if you're
> sick. Eat well, stay fit. Get some sun and fresh air. All the rest of it
> seems to be made up as we go along.
> 
> Allan
> 
> Clay via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> Small cruise ship had to turn around because of false positives.  Alaska is 
>> seeing a large number of inaccurate test results.  Science is not up to the 
>> standards required to effectively handle the plague.
>> 
>> https://www.ktoo.org/2020/08/12/uncruise-says-wilderness-adventurer-did-not-have-covid-19-on-board-after-all/
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.
>> 
>>> On Aug 13, 2020, at 7:41 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It is almost all false negatives with the current PCR nasopharyngeal seab,
>>> die to technique. False positives are rare.
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Aug 12, 2020, 9:43 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 Neither appeals particularly, with false negative you expose others, with
 false positive you're stuck in quarantine for 2 weeks without the benefit
 of at least hopefully getting anti-bodies.
 -Curt
 
 On Wednesday, August 12, 2020, 12:37:13 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel <
 astrasfo...@gmail.com> wrote:
 
 I've booked my flight to Moscow already.NOT.
 I wonder if the inaccuracy of the cheap daily means false ++ or false --
 results. It makes a huge difference.
 
 On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 12:30 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 Its not the stupidest idea I've seen for sure but IIRC the cheap/fast
 tests right now are only like 80% accurate. I guess its better than nothing
 but not by a lot. Even if it were, say $1/test that would be a big cost for
 a school with hundreds of students to test on a daily basis.
 I'm nervous of Russia's release of a vaccine. It'll be interesting to see
 what happens. I suspect China is right behind and will be releasing
 something in a month or two.
 
 -Curt
 
 On Wednesday, August 12, 2020, 12:22:23 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel via
 Mercedes  wrote:
 
 Cheap, frequent COVID tests could be ‘akin to vaccine,’ professor says.
 
 "Harvard epidemiologist and expert in disease testing is calling for a
 shift in strategy toward a cheap, daily, do-it-yourself test that he says
 can be as effective as a vaccine at interrupting coronavirus transmission —
 and is currently the only viable option for a quick return to an
 approximation of normal life.
 
 “These are our hope,” said Michal Mina
 , assistant professor
 of epidemiology at Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health
  and Brigham and Women’s Hospital
 . “We don’t have anything tomorrow,
 other
 than shutting down the economy and keeping schools closed.”
 
 As the pandemic’s health, economic, and educational toll mounts, Mina, a
 member of the Harvard Chan School’s Center for Communicable Disease
 Dynamics,  said the paper-strip tests have
 already been developed and their shotgun approach to testing — cheap and
 widespread — provides a way back to the workplace, classroom, and other
 venues."
 
 https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/08/cheap-daily-covid-tests-could-be-akin-to-vaccine/?utm_source=SilverpopMailing_medium=email_campaign=Daily%20Gazette%2020200812%20(1)
> 
>

Re: [MBZ] OT: Novel approach to beating the pandemic.

2020-08-14 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 It would appear that one possible reason for Florida test centers reporting 
100% positive tests is that they only thought they had to report positive 
tests. Realistically most people, especially a couple months ago, only cared 
about the number of positive tests each day. Of course that doesn't give you a 
good impression of whats going on but most people are idiots...
-Curt

On Friday, August 14, 2020, 2:11:35 AM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Around here they are saying that false negatives are a thing, but false
positives are almost zero. That's very convenient for the lockdown
enthusiasts. Yet we have heard about the testing centers in Florida that
reported 100% positive tests.

Like so much about this situation, who knows what to believe.

I fall back on common sense. Wash your hands. Stay home if you're
sick. Eat well, stay fit. Get some sun and fresh air. All the rest of it
seems to be made up as we go along.

Allan

Clay via Mercedes  writes:

> Small cruise ship had to turn around because of false positives.  Alaska is 
> seeing a large number of inaccurate test results.  Science is not up to the 
> standards required to effectively handle the plague.
>
> https://www.ktoo.org/2020/08/12/uncruise-says-wilderness-adventurer-did-not-have-covid-19-on-board-after-all/
>
> clay 
>
> I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.
>
>
>
>> On Aug 13, 2020, at 7:41 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> It is almost all false negatives with the current PCR nasopharyngeal seab,
>> die to technique. False positives are rare.
>> 
>> On Wed, Aug 12, 2020, 9:43 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Neither appeals particularly, with false negative you expose others, with
>>> false positive you're stuck in quarantine for 2 weeks without the benefit
>>> of at least hopefully getting anti-bodies.
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>>    On Wednesday, August 12, 2020, 12:37:13 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel <
>>> astrasfo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I've booked my flight to Moscow already.NOT.
>>> I wonder if the inaccuracy of the cheap daily means false ++ or false --
>>> results. It makes a huge difference.
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 12:30 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Its not the stupidest idea I've seen for sure but IIRC the cheap/fast
>>> tests right now are only like 80% accurate. I guess its better than nothing
>>> but not by a lot. Even if it were, say $1/test that would be a big cost for
>>> a school with hundreds of students to test on a daily basis.
>>> I'm nervous of Russia's release of a vaccine. It'll be interesting to see
>>> what happens. I suspect China is right behind and will be releasing
>>> something in a month or two.
>>> 
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>>    On Wednesday, August 12, 2020, 12:22:23 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel via
>>> Mercedes  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Cheap, frequent COVID tests could be ‘akin to vaccine,’ professor says.
>>> 
>>> "Harvard epidemiologist and expert in disease testing is calling for a
>>> shift in strategy toward a cheap, daily, do-it-yourself test that he says
>>> can be as effective as a vaccine at interrupting coronavirus transmission —
>>> and is currently the only viable option for a quick return to an
>>> approximation of normal life.
>>> 
>>> “These are our hope,” said Michal Mina
>>> , assistant professor
>>> of epidemiology at Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health
>>>  and Brigham and Women’s Hospital
>>> . “We don’t have anything tomorrow,
>>> other
>>> than shutting down the economy and keeping schools closed.”
>>> 
>>> As the pandemic’s health, economic, and educational toll mounts, Mina, a
>>> member of the Harvard Chan School’s Center for Communicable Disease
>>> Dynamics,  said the paper-strip tests have
>>> already been developed and their shotgun approach to testing — cheap and
>>> widespread — provides a way back to the workplace, classroom, and other
>>> venues."
>>> 
>>> 
>>> https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/08/cheap-daily-covid-tests-could-be-akin-to-vaccine/?utm_source=SilverpopMailing_medium=email_campaign=Daily%20Gazette%2020200812%20(1)

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Novel approach to beating the pandemic.

2020-08-14 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes 
Around here they are saying that false negatives are a thing, but false
positives are almost zero. That's very convenient for the lockdown
enthusiasts. Yet we have heard about the testing centers in Florida that
reported 100% positive tests.

Like so much about this situation, who knows what to believe.

I fall back on common sense. Wash your hands. Stay home if you're
sick. Eat well, stay fit. Get some sun and fresh air. All the rest of it
seems to be made up as we go along.

Allan

Clay via Mercedes  writes:

> Small cruise ship had to turn around because of false positives.  Alaska is 
> seeing a large number of inaccurate test results.  Science is not up to the 
> standards required to effectively handle the plague.
>
> https://www.ktoo.org/2020/08/12/uncruise-says-wilderness-adventurer-did-not-have-covid-19-on-board-after-all/
>
> clay 
>
> I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.
>
>
>
>> On Aug 13, 2020, at 7:41 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> It is almost all false negatives with the current PCR nasopharyngeal seab,
>> die to technique. False positives are rare.
>> 
>> On Wed, Aug 12, 2020, 9:43 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Neither appeals particularly, with false negative you expose others, with
>>> false positive you're stuck in quarantine for 2 weeks without the benefit
>>> of at least hopefully getting anti-bodies.
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>>On Wednesday, August 12, 2020, 12:37:13 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel <
>>> astrasfo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I've booked my flight to Moscow already.NOT.
>>> I wonder if the inaccuracy of the cheap daily means false ++ or false --
>>> results. It makes a huge difference.
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 12:30 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Its not the stupidest idea I've seen for sure but IIRC the cheap/fast
>>> tests right now are only like 80% accurate. I guess its better than nothing
>>> but not by a lot. Even if it were, say $1/test that would be a big cost for
>>> a school with hundreds of students to test on a daily basis.
>>> I'm nervous of Russia's release of a vaccine. It'll be interesting to see
>>> what happens. I suspect China is right behind and will be releasing
>>> something in a month or two.
>>> 
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>>On Wednesday, August 12, 2020, 12:22:23 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel via
>>> Mercedes  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Cheap, frequent COVID tests could be ‘akin to vaccine,’ professor says.
>>> 
>>> "Harvard epidemiologist and expert in disease testing is calling for a
>>> shift in strategy toward a cheap, daily, do-it-yourself test that he says
>>> can be as effective as a vaccine at interrupting coronavirus transmission —
>>> and is currently the only viable option for a quick return to an
>>> approximation of normal life.
>>> 
>>> “These are our hope,” said Michal Mina
>>> , assistant professor
>>> of epidemiology at Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health
>>>  and Brigham and Women’s Hospital
>>> . “We don’t have anything tomorrow,
>>> other
>>> than shutting down the economy and keeping schools closed.”
>>> 
>>> As the pandemic’s health, economic, and educational toll mounts, Mina, a
>>> member of the Harvard Chan School’s Center for Communicable Disease
>>> Dynamics,  said the paper-strip tests have
>>> already been developed and their shotgun approach to testing — cheap and
>>> widespread — provides a way back to the workplace, classroom, and other
>>> venues."
>>> 
>>> 
>>> https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/08/cheap-daily-covid-tests-could-be-akin-to-vaccine/?utm_source=SilverpopMailing_medium=email_campaign=Daily%20Gazette%2020200812%20(1)

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Novel approach to beating the pandemic.

2020-08-13 Thread Clay via Mercedes 
Small cruise ship had to turn around because of false positives.  Alaska is 
seeing a large number of inaccurate test results.  Science is not up to the 
standards required to effectively handle the plague.

https://www.ktoo.org/2020/08/12/uncruise-says-wilderness-adventurer-did-not-have-covid-19-on-board-after-all/

clay 

I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.



> On Aug 13, 2020, at 7:41 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It is almost all false negatives with the current PCR nasopharyngeal seab,
> die to technique. False positives are rare.
> 
> On Wed, Aug 12, 2020, 9:43 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Neither appeals particularly, with false negative you expose others, with
>> false positive you're stuck in quarantine for 2 weeks without the benefit
>> of at least hopefully getting anti-bodies.
>> -Curt
>> 
>>On Wednesday, August 12, 2020, 12:37:13 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel <
>> astrasfo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I've booked my flight to Moscow already.NOT.
>> I wonder if the inaccuracy of the cheap daily means false ++ or false --
>> results. It makes a huge difference.
>> 
>> On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 12:30 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Its not the stupidest idea I've seen for sure but IIRC the cheap/fast
>> tests right now are only like 80% accurate. I guess its better than nothing
>> but not by a lot. Even if it were, say $1/test that would be a big cost for
>> a school with hundreds of students to test on a daily basis.
>> I'm nervous of Russia's release of a vaccine. It'll be interesting to see
>> what happens. I suspect China is right behind and will be releasing
>> something in a month or two.
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>>On Wednesday, August 12, 2020, 12:22:23 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel via
>> Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> Cheap, frequent COVID tests could be ‘akin to vaccine,’ professor says.
>> 
>> "Harvard epidemiologist and expert in disease testing is calling for a
>> shift in strategy toward a cheap, daily, do-it-yourself test that he says
>> can be as effective as a vaccine at interrupting coronavirus transmission —
>> and is currently the only viable option for a quick return to an
>> approximation of normal life.
>> 
>> “These are our hope,” said Michal Mina
>> , assistant professor
>> of epidemiology at Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health
>>  and Brigham and Women’s Hospital
>> . “We don’t have anything tomorrow,
>> other
>> than shutting down the economy and keeping schools closed.”
>> 
>> As the pandemic’s health, economic, and educational toll mounts, Mina, a
>> member of the Harvard Chan School’s Center for Communicable Disease
>> Dynamics,  said the paper-strip tests have
>> already been developed and their shotgun approach to testing — cheap and
>> widespread — provides a way back to the workplace, classroom, and other
>> venues."
>> 
>> 
>> https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/08/cheap-daily-covid-tests-could-be-akin-to-vaccine/?utm_source=SilverpopMailing_medium=email_campaign=Daily%20Gazette%2020200812%20(1)
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Novel approach to beating the pandemic.

2020-08-13 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 The clips in your link threw me off, the original movie was black and white. 
I've got a copy of it somewhere.
The original is not a musical, it did have a dentist scene though: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAli9a8bbys
-Curt

On Thursday, August 13, 2020, 7:45:04 PM EDT, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 On Thu, August 13, 2020 7:29 pm, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> I don't think I've ever seen the whole thing. Might have to fix that.

I saw it, or most of it, 30 years ago but don't remember the dentist.

And I had no idea the 1986 version was a remake.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0054033/

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Novel approach to beating the pandemic.

2020-08-13 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
> And I had no idea the 1986 version was a remake.
> https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0054033/ 

Sort of.  The remake was a musical, the original was not.
Jack Nicholson's first (small) movie role.  The musical was
first a stage show, sort of like the Rocky Horror Show (later
made into the Rocky Horror Picture Show), and is now something
that gets produced in community and school theaters.

-- Jim

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Novel approach to beating the pandemic.

2020-08-13 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
On Thu, August 13, 2020 7:29 pm, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> I don't think I've ever seen the whole thing. Might have to fix that.

I saw it, or most of it, 30 years ago but don't remember the dentist.

And I had no idea the 1986 version was a remake.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0054033/

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Novel approach to beating the pandemic.

2020-08-13 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 I don't think I've ever seen the whole thing. Might have to fix that.
-Curt

On Thursday, August 13, 2020, 7:27:53 PM EDT, Jim Cathey 
 wrote:  
 
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoWom0CCRKM
I had forgotten about Steve Martin doing this song...

Tasty little movie.  And, as over-the-top as Martin's sadistic dentist may 
be,he's still completely upstaged by Bill Murray's masochistic dental patient.
-- Jim

  
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Novel approach to beating the pandemic.

2020-08-13 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoWom0CCRKM 
> 
> I had forgotten about Steve Martin doing this song...

Tasty little movie.  And, as over-the-top as Martin's sadistic dentist may be,
he's still completely upstaged by Bill Murray's masochistic dental patient.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Novel approach to beating the pandemic.

2020-08-13 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoWom0CCRKM
I had forgotten about Steve Martin doing this song...
-Curt

On Thursday, August 13, 2020, 7:04:14 PM EDT, Jim Cathey 
 wrote:  
 
 > Maybe out of work dentists...

She said "My boy,
I think some day
You'll find a way
to make your natural tendencies pay"

-- Jim

  
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Novel approach to beating the pandemic.

2020-08-13 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
> Maybe out of work dentists...

She said "My boy,
I think some day
You'll find a way
to make your natural tendencies pay"

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Novel approach to beating the pandemic.

2020-08-13 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 Maybe out of work dentists...

-Curt

On Thursday, August 13, 2020, 1:41:52 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel via 
Mercedes  wrote:  
 
 *This is uncomfortable, so it is often not performed aggressively enough to
get a good sample.*

At last  -  profession tailor made for sadists

On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 12:31 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Polymerase chain reaction.
>
> The swab can get gunked up or not make contact with the infected
> epithelium. It has to go way in the back of your nose where it joins your
> throat. This is uncomfortable, so it is often not performed aggressively
> enough to get a good sample.
>
> On Thu, Aug 13, 2020, 8:55 AM Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 13 Aug 2020 08:41:15 -0700 Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> > > It is almost all false negatives with the current PCR nasopharyngeal
> > > seab, die to technique. False positives are rare.
> >
> > Karl,
> >
> > Is that supposed to be
> >    "with the current PCR nasopharyngeal swab, due to technique" ?
> >
> > What does PCR mean?
> >
> >
> > Craig
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Novel approach to beating the pandemic.

2020-08-13 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
*This is uncomfortable, so it is often not performed aggressively enough to
get a good sample.*

At last  -  profession tailor made for sadists

On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 12:31 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Polymerase chain reaction.
>
> The swab can get gunked up or not make contact with the infected
> epithelium. It has to go way in the back of your nose where it joins your
> throat. This is uncomfortable, so it is often not performed aggressively
> enough to get a good sample.
>
> On Thu, Aug 13, 2020, 8:55 AM Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 13 Aug 2020 08:41:15 -0700 Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> > > It is almost all false negatives with the current PCR nasopharyngeal
> > > seab, die to technique. False positives are rare.
> >
> > Karl,
> >
> > Is that supposed to be
> >"with the current PCR nasopharyngeal swab, due to technique" ?
> >
> > What does PCR mean?
> >
> >
> > Craig
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Novel approach to beating the pandemic.

2020-08-13 Thread Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
Polymerase chain reaction.

The swab can get gunked up or not make contact with the infected
epithelium. It has to go way in the back of your nose where it joins your
throat. This is uncomfortable, so it is often not performed aggressively
enough to get a good sample.

On Thu, Aug 13, 2020, 8:55 AM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Thu, 13 Aug 2020 08:41:15 -0700 Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > It is almost all false negatives with the current PCR nasopharyngeal
> > seab, die to technique. False positives are rare.
>
> Karl,
>
> Is that supposed to be
>"with the current PCR nasopharyngeal swab, due to technique" ?
>
> What does PCR mean?
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Novel approach to beating the pandemic.

2020-08-13 Thread Craig via Mercedes 
On Thu, 13 Aug 2020 08:41:15 -0700 Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
 wrote:

> It is almost all false negatives with the current PCR nasopharyngeal
> seab, die to technique. False positives are rare.

Karl,

Is that supposed to be
   "with the current PCR nasopharyngeal swab, due to technique" ?

What does PCR mean?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Novel approach to beating the pandemic.

2020-08-13 Thread Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
It is almost all false negatives with the current PCR nasopharyngeal seab,
die to technique. False positives are rare.

On Wed, Aug 12, 2020, 9:43 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>  Neither appeals particularly, with false negative you expose others, with
> false positive you're stuck in quarantine for 2 weeks without the benefit
> of at least hopefully getting anti-bodies.
> -Curt
>
> On Wednesday, August 12, 2020, 12:37:13 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel <
> astrasfo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  I've booked my flight to Moscow already.NOT.
> I wonder if the inaccuracy of the cheap daily means false ++ or false --
> results. It makes a huge difference.
>
> On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 12:30 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>  Its not the stupidest idea I've seen for sure but IIRC the cheap/fast
> tests right now are only like 80% accurate. I guess its better than nothing
> but not by a lot. Even if it were, say $1/test that would be a big cost for
> a school with hundreds of students to test on a daily basis.
> I'm nervous of Russia's release of a vaccine. It'll be interesting to see
> what happens. I suspect China is right behind and will be releasing
> something in a month or two.
>
> -Curt
>
> On Wednesday, August 12, 2020, 12:22:23 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel via
> Mercedes  wrote:
>
>  Cheap, frequent COVID tests could be ‘akin to vaccine,’ professor says.
>
> "Harvard epidemiologist and expert in disease testing is calling for a
> shift in strategy toward a cheap, daily, do-it-yourself test that he says
> can be as effective as a vaccine at interrupting coronavirus transmission —
> and is currently the only viable option for a quick return to an
> approximation of normal life.
>
> “These are our hope,” said Michal Mina
> , assistant professor
> of epidemiology at Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health
>  and Brigham and Women’s Hospital
> . “We don’t have anything tomorrow,
> other
> than shutting down the economy and keeping schools closed.”
>
> As the pandemic’s health, economic, and educational toll mounts, Mina, a
> member of the Harvard Chan School’s Center for Communicable Disease
> Dynamics,  said the paper-strip tests have
> already been developed and their shotgun approach to testing — cheap and
> widespread — provides a way back to the workplace, classroom, and other
> venues."
>
>
> https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/08/cheap-daily-covid-tests-could-be-akin-to-vaccine/?utm_source=SilverpopMailing_medium=email_campaign=Daily%20Gazette%2020200812%20(1)
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Novel approach to beating the pandemic.

2020-08-12 Thread Clay via Mercedes 
Being so close to the former USSR, I am expecting AK will be using Putin’s new 
jab.

clay 

I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.



> On Aug 12, 2020, at 8:21 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Cheap, frequent COVID tests could be ‘akin to vaccine,’ professor says.
> 
> "Harvard epidemiologist and expert in disease testing is calling for a
> shift in strategy toward a cheap, daily, do-it-yourself test that he says
> can be as effective as a vaccine at interrupting coronavirus transmission —
> and is currently the only viable option for a quick return to an
> approximation of normal life.
> 
> “These are our hope,” said Michal Mina
> , assistant professor
> of epidemiology at Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health
>  and Brigham and Women’s Hospital
> . “We don’t have anything tomorrow, other
> than shutting down the economy and keeping schools closed.”
> 
> As the pandemic’s health, economic, and educational toll mounts, Mina, a
> member of the Harvard Chan School’s Center for Communicable Disease
> Dynamics,  said the paper-strip tests have
> already been developed and their shotgun approach to testing — cheap and
> widespread — provides a way back to the workplace, classroom, and other
> venues."
> 
> https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/08/cheap-daily-covid-tests-could-be-akin-to-vaccine/?utm_source=SilverpopMailing_medium=email_campaign=Daily%20Gazette%2020200812%20(1)



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Novel approach to beating the pandemic.

2020-08-12 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes 
I see a basic problem with their premise that we have no other choices other 
than test, vaccine, or lockdown isolation.

They didn't even consider the Swedish model of protecting the most vulnerable 
and letting the rest of the population achieve herd immunity as the virus runs 
its course.  Far less cost in terms of human life and economic impact me 
thinks, and there is no perfect lockdown that will prevent the virus from 
running its course, the lockdown just slows it down.  We are killing ourselves 
trying to delay the inevitable.
Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Aug 12, 2020 12:43:12 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes :

> Neither appeals particularly, with false negative you expose others, with 
> false positive you're stuck in quarantine for 2 weeks without the benefit of 
> at least hopefully getting anti-bodies.
> -Curt
> 
> On Wednesday, August 12, 2020, 12:37:13 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel 
>  wrote:
> 
> I've booked my flight to Moscow already.NOT.
> I wonder if the inaccuracy of the cheap daily means false ++ or false -- 
> results. It makes a huge difference.
> 
> On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 12:30 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Its not the stupidest idea I've seen for sure but IIRC the cheap/fast tests 
> right now are only like 80% accurate. I guess its better than nothing but not 
> by a lot. Even if it were, say $1/test that would be a big cost for a school 
> with hundreds of students to test on a daily basis.
> I'm nervous of Russia's release of a vaccine. It'll be interesting to see 
> what happens. I suspect China is right behind and will be releasing something 
> in a month or two.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Wednesday, August 12, 2020, 12:22:23 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel via 
> Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Cheap, frequent COVID tests could be ‘akin to vaccine,’ professor says.
> 
> "Harvard epidemiologist and expert in disease testing is calling for a
> shift in strategy toward a cheap, daily, do-it-yourself test that he says
> can be as effective as a vaccine at interrupting coronavirus transmission —
> and is currently the only viable option for a quick return to an
> approximation of normal life.
> 
> “These are our hope,” said Michal Mina
> , assistant professor
> of epidemiology at Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health
>  and Brigham and Women’s Hospital
> . “We don’t have anything tomorrow, other
> than shutting down the economy and keeping schools closed.”
> 
> As the pandemic’s health, economic, and educational toll mounts, Mina, a
> member of the Harvard Chan School’s Center for Communicable Disease
> Dynamics,  said the paper-strip tests have
> already been developed and their shotgun approach to testing — cheap and
> widespread — provides a way back to the workplace, classroom, and other
> venues."
> 
> https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/08/cheap-daily-covid-tests-could-be-akin-to-vaccine/?utm_source=SilverpopMailing_medium=email_campaign=Daily%20Gazette%2020200812%20(1)
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Novel approach to beating the pandemic.

2020-08-12 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 Neither appeals particularly, with false negative you expose others, with 
false positive you're stuck in quarantine for 2 weeks without the benefit of at 
least hopefully getting anti-bodies.
-Curt

On Wednesday, August 12, 2020, 12:37:13 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel 
 wrote:  
 
 I've booked my flight to Moscow already.NOT.
I wonder if the inaccuracy of the cheap daily means false ++ or false -- 
results. It makes a huge difference.

On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 12:30 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

 Its not the stupidest idea I've seen for sure but IIRC the cheap/fast tests 
right now are only like 80% accurate. I guess its better than nothing but not 
by a lot. Even if it were, say $1/test that would be a big cost for a school 
with hundreds of students to test on a daily basis.
I'm nervous of Russia's release of a vaccine. It'll be interesting to see what 
happens. I suspect China is right behind and will be releasing something in a 
month or two.

-Curt

    On Wednesday, August 12, 2020, 12:22:23 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel via 
Mercedes  wrote:  

 Cheap, frequent COVID tests could be ‘akin to vaccine,’ professor says.

"Harvard epidemiologist and expert in disease testing is calling for a
shift in strategy toward a cheap, daily, do-it-yourself test that he says
can be as effective as a vaccine at interrupting coronavirus transmission —
and is currently the only viable option for a quick return to an
approximation of normal life.

“These are our hope,” said Michal Mina
, assistant professor
of epidemiology at Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health
 and Brigham and Women’s Hospital
. “We don’t have anything tomorrow, other
than shutting down the economy and keeping schools closed.”

As the pandemic’s health, economic, and educational toll mounts, Mina, a
member of the Harvard Chan School’s Center for Communicable Disease
Dynamics,  said the paper-strip tests have
already been developed and their shotgun approach to testing — cheap and
widespread — provides a way back to the workplace, classroom, and other
venues."

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/08/cheap-daily-covid-tests-could-be-akin-to-vaccine/?utm_source=SilverpopMailing_medium=email_campaign=Daily%20Gazette%2020200812%20(1)
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Novel approach to beating the pandemic.

2020-08-12 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
I've booked my flight to Moscow already.
NOT.

I wonder if the inaccuracy of the cheap daily means false ++ or false --
results. It makes a huge difference.

On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 12:30 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>  Its not the stupidest idea I've seen for sure but IIRC the cheap/fast
> tests right now are only like 80% accurate. I guess its better than nothing
> but not by a lot. Even if it were, say $1/test that would be a big cost for
> a school with hundreds of students to test on a daily basis.
> I'm nervous of Russia's release of a vaccine. It'll be interesting to see
> what happens. I suspect China is right behind and will be releasing
> something in a month or two.
>
> -Curt
>
> On Wednesday, August 12, 2020, 12:22:23 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel via
> Mercedes  wrote:
>
>  Cheap, frequent COVID tests could be ‘akin to vaccine,’ professor says.
>
> "Harvard epidemiologist and expert in disease testing is calling for a
> shift in strategy toward a cheap, daily, do-it-yourself test that he says
> can be as effective as a vaccine at interrupting coronavirus transmission —
> and is currently the only viable option for a quick return to an
> approximation of normal life.
>
> “These are our hope,” said Michal Mina
> , assistant professor
> of epidemiology at Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health
>  and Brigham and Women’s Hospital
> . “We don’t have anything tomorrow,
> other
> than shutting down the economy and keeping schools closed.”
>
> As the pandemic’s health, economic, and educational toll mounts, Mina, a
> member of the Harvard Chan School’s Center for Communicable Disease
> Dynamics,  said the paper-strip tests have
> already been developed and their shotgun approach to testing — cheap and
> widespread — provides a way back to the workplace, classroom, and other
> venues."
>
>
> https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/08/cheap-daily-covid-tests-could-be-akin-to-vaccine/?utm_source=SilverpopMailing_medium=email_campaign=Daily%20Gazette%2020200812%20(1)
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Novel approach to beating the pandemic.

2020-08-12 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 Its not the stupidest idea I've seen for sure but IIRC the cheap/fast tests 
right now are only like 80% accurate. I guess its better than nothing but not 
by a lot. Even if it were, say $1/test that would be a big cost for a school 
with hundreds of students to test on a daily basis.
I'm nervous of Russia's release of a vaccine. It'll be interesting to see what 
happens. I suspect China is right behind and will be releasing something in a 
month or two.

-Curt

On Wednesday, August 12, 2020, 12:22:23 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel via 
Mercedes  wrote:  
 
 Cheap, frequent COVID tests could be ‘akin to vaccine,’ professor says.

"Harvard epidemiologist and expert in disease testing is calling for a
shift in strategy toward a cheap, daily, do-it-yourself test that he says
can be as effective as a vaccine at interrupting coronavirus transmission —
and is currently the only viable option for a quick return to an
approximation of normal life.

“These are our hope,” said Michal Mina
, assistant professor
of epidemiology at Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health
 and Brigham and Women’s Hospital
. “We don’t have anything tomorrow, other
than shutting down the economy and keeping schools closed.”

As the pandemic’s health, economic, and educational toll mounts, Mina, a
member of the Harvard Chan School’s Center for Communicable Disease
Dynamics,  said the paper-strip tests have
already been developed and their shotgun approach to testing — cheap and
widespread — provides a way back to the workplace, classroom, and other
venues."

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/08/cheap-daily-covid-tests-could-be-akin-to-vaccine/?utm_source=SilverpopMailing_medium=email_campaign=Daily%20Gazette%2020200812%20(1)
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[MBZ] OT: Novel approach to beating the pandemic.

2020-08-12 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
Cheap, frequent COVID tests could be ‘akin to vaccine,’ professor says.

"Harvard epidemiologist and expert in disease testing is calling for a
shift in strategy toward a cheap, daily, do-it-yourself test that he says
can be as effective as a vaccine at interrupting coronavirus transmission —
and is currently the only viable option for a quick return to an
approximation of normal life.

“These are our hope,” said Michal Mina
, assistant professor
of epidemiology at Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health
 and Brigham and Women’s Hospital
. “We don’t have anything tomorrow, other
than shutting down the economy and keeping schools closed.”

As the pandemic’s health, economic, and educational toll mounts, Mina, a
member of the Harvard Chan School’s Center for Communicable Disease
Dynamics,  said the paper-strip tests have
already been developed and their shotgun approach to testing — cheap and
widespread — provides a way back to the workplace, classroom, and other
venues."

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/08/cheap-daily-covid-tests-could-be-akin-to-vaccine/?utm_source=SilverpopMailing_medium=email_campaign=Daily%20Gazette%2020200812%20(1)
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