Re: [MBZ] OT: measuring Power Factor

2010-01-28 Thread LWB250
...@voyager.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: measuring Power Factor To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 12:21 PM LWB250 wrote: We have very sophisticated devices we use for testing and commissioning of generators (as well as for troubleshooting

Re: [MBZ] OT: measuring Power Factor

2010-01-26 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:13:22 -0800 Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: If you can get a dual-trace oscilloscope picture of both the voltage and amperage waveforms, superimposed, you can calculate the degrees of shift between the peaks and get a power factor that way. That's what I did

Re: [MBZ] OT: measuring Power Factor

2010-01-25 Thread Dieselhead
Can you put on an ampprobe (clamp-on) to measure amps and measure volts with a different meter (simultaneously) and use that data to do the calculation? With all these fancy digital handheld meters out there, is there a clamp-on meter that will give you a power factor while clamped on a

Re: [MBZ] OT: measuring Power Factor

2010-01-25 Thread LWB250
...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: measuring Power Factor To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 9:55 AM Can you put on an ampprobe (clamp-on) to measure amps and measure volts with a different meter (simultaneously) and use that data to do

Re: [MBZ] OT: measuring Power Factor

2010-01-25 Thread Dieselhead
...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: measuring Power Factor To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 9:55 AM Can you put on an ampprobe (clamp-on) to measure amps and measure volts with a different meter (simultaneously) and use that data to do

Re: [MBZ] OT: measuring Power Factor

2010-01-25 Thread Mitch Haley
LWB250 wrote: We have very sophisticated devices we use for testing and commissioning of generators (as well as for troubleshooting) that measure power factor among other values, but you're talking about several thousand dollars for something like this:

Re: [MBZ] OT: measuring Power Factor

2010-01-25 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:02:19 -0600 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I can get amps with a clamp-on, volts with a voltmeter. Is there any way to determine watts without rewiring a wattmeter inline? Shut off other loads, record your house's kilowatt-hour meter's reading, run your load

Re: [MBZ] OT: measuring Power Factor

2010-01-25 Thread Jim Cathey
Can you put on an ampprobe (clamp-on) to measure amps and measure volts with a different meter (simultaneously) and use that data to do the calculation? No. That gives you volt-amps, which is watts only if you assume a 1.0 power factor. You have to do the multiplication on a cycle-by-cycle

Re: [MBZ] OT: measuring Power Factor

2010-01-25 Thread Jim Cathey
What I want to do is determine PF at hardwired 240 1 phase devices, such as central air cond. compressor/condensor units. The Kill-A-Watt is great for 110v devices. Is there any low-cost way to do that? I designed a wattmeter circuit for the big generator, but I haven't built it yet. You

[MBZ] OT: measuring Power Factor

2010-01-24 Thread Dieselhead
For all you EE types out there With all these fancy digital handheld meters out there, is there a clamp-on meter that will give you a power factor while clamped on a wire? Hopefully you don't have to buy a $5000-8000 fluke to do this. The Kill-A-Watt does it on 120v for $25-50 if you

[MBZ] OT: measuring Power Factor

2010-01-24 Thread Loren Faeth
For all you EE types out there With all these fancy digital handheld meters out there, is there a clamp-on meter that will give you a power factor while clamped on a wire? Hopefully you don't have to buy a $5000-8000 fluke to do this. The Kill-A-Watt does it on 120v for $25-50 if you

Re: [MBZ] OT: measuring Power Factor

2010-01-24 Thread Jim Cathey
With all these fancy digital handheld meters out there, is there a clamp-on meter that will give you a power factor while clamped on a wire? No. You cannot measure power factor without simultaneously measuring both instantaneous current and voltage. No clamp-on measures any kind of voltage