Re: [MBZ] OT: my new laptop
On 2020-11-27 21:11, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: Firmware is listed here so it probably works. Intel stuff is a pretty safe bet. https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/05511/network-and-i-o/wireless.html Looks like you'll need to be running a fairly recent kernel, so that rules out using CentOS unless you deliberately use a newer kernel than the distribution provides. The joys of paying extra for the latest and greatest hardware. A Realtek wifi5 card with two antennae was standard, I figured dual antennae wifi 6 was worth an extra $10. I wasn't thinking about drivers, as this one only has room for one SSD in it and I wasn't planning on dual boot. If I'd gotten the ZBook yesterday I'd put two SSDs in it and run Win7 on one. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: my new laptop
Firmware is listed here so it probably works. Intel stuff is a pretty safe bet. https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/05511/network-and-i-o/wireless.html Looks like you'll need to be running a fairly recent kernel, so that rules out using CentOS unless you deliberately use a newer kernel than the distribution provides. Allan Mitch Haley via Mercedes writes: > On 2020-11-27 14:11, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: > >> Linux is pretty good these days. Issues, if any, likely will be with >> things like WiFi/Bluetooth, which tend to be cheaply sourced from >> vendors who don't care to provide Linux drivers, or things like battery >> management, suspend/sleep/resume which are tricky to get right. > > Well, if it helps, this is the wifi: > https://downloadcenter.intel.com/product/130293/Intel-Wi-Fi-6-AX201-Gig- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: my new laptop
On 2020-11-27 14:11, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: Linux is pretty good these days. Issues, if any, likely will be with things like WiFi/Bluetooth, which tend to be cheaply sourced from vendors who don't care to provide Linux drivers, or things like battery management, suspend/sleep/resume which are tricky to get right. Well, if it helps, this is the wifi: https://downloadcenter.intel.com/product/130293/Intel-Wi-Fi-6-AX201-Gig- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: my new laptop
Mitch Haley via Mercedes writes: > On 2020-11-27 12:00, Craig via Mercedes wrote: >> Does it run Linux properly? > > Do new PCs have problems with that? > Is it reasonable to assume a AMD 4700U in a proprietary HP motherboard > with proprietary BIOS would run Linux? Linux is pretty good these days. Issues, if any, likely will be with things like WiFi/Bluetooth, which tend to be cheaply sourced from vendors who don't care to provide Linux drivers, or things like battery management, suspend/sleep/resume which are tricky to get right. Probably best to try to find a review that has tested that exact laptop with Linux to see how it handles it. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: my new laptop
Mitch Haley via Mercedes writes: > Then I read a review of this exact model, claiming the memory was > soldered to the motherboard. It's becoming more common for laptops to not be upgradable at all. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: my new laptop
Mitch, I'm suspecting that because HP is too cheap to include a memory door, they declare the memory to not be upgradable by a user. Another possibility: HP did not include a memory door because the HP warranty will be voided if a mere user opens up the case; they can charge you more $$ and install the memory for you using this excuse. - Max Charleston SC On Fri, Nov 27, 2020 at 12:49 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > On 2020-11-27 11:17, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 27, 2020 at 10:08 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > >> > >> So, does that mean the review I read was FOS? > >> > >> > https://www.notebookcheck.net/HP-Pavilion-15-refreshed-with-AMD-Ryzen-4000-series-Renoir-CPUs.494975.0.html > >> > > > > You read it on the internet - it must be true! > > There's a huge discussion about this at Slickdeals, but nobody in the > discussion actually has one in hand. > Two people have contacted HP and been told it's not user upgradeable, > but with all you have to go through to get to the motherboard, that > might just mean "we're too cheap to put a door over the memory, and you > shouldn't open the case". > > At this point, I'm about ready to cancel the 8GB one or sell it to > somebody else, and pay the premium for the one with 16GB already > installed. Anybody want a $700 computer for $442 with express shipping? > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: my new laptop
On 2020-11-27 12:00, Craig via Mercedes wrote: On Fri, 27 Nov 2020 11:48:41 -0600 Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: At this point, I'm about ready to cancel the 8GB one or sell it to somebody else, and pay the premium for the one with 16GB already installed. Anybody want a $700 computer for $442 with express shipping? Does it run Linux properly? Do new PCs have problems with that? Is it reasonable to assume a AMD 4700U in a proprietary HP motherboard with proprietary BIOS would run Linux? If I had one in my possession already I could try it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: my new laptop
On Fri, 27 Nov 2020 11:48:41 -0600 Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: > At this point, I'm about ready to cancel the 8GB one or sell it to > somebody else, and pay the premium for the one with 16GB already > installed. Anybody want a $700 computer for $442 with express shipping? Does it run Linux properly? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: my new laptop
On 2020-11-27 11:17, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: On Fri, Nov 27, 2020 at 10:08 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: So, does that mean the review I read was FOS? https://www.notebookcheck.net/HP-Pavilion-15-refreshed-with-AMD-Ryzen-4000-series-Renoir-CPUs.494975.0.html You read it on the internet - it must be true! There's a huge discussion about this at Slickdeals, but nobody in the discussion actually has one in hand. Two people have contacted HP and been told it's not user upgradeable, but with all you have to go through to get to the motherboard, that might just mean "we're too cheap to put a door over the memory, and you shouldn't open the case". At this point, I'm about ready to cancel the 8GB one or sell it to somebody else, and pay the premium for the one with 16GB already installed. Anybody want a $700 computer for $442 with express shipping? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: my new laptop
On 2020-11-27 11:21, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: My sig. oth. wants her new laptop to have TONS of storage for all her photos. Will this model suffice? If you're willing to pay through the nose for the larger SSD from HP, or if you're willing to rip the thing apart to replace the SSD with a big cheap one. 1TB PCIe SSDs are around $90-100 at Amazon. https://www.amazon.com/Blue-SN550-1TB-NVMe-Internal/dp/B07YFFX5MD/ I'm still trying to figure out what the deal is with the memory, but I think the situation is that it's not 'user upgradeable' because you have to tear the thing apart to get to it. Instructions for getting at the SSD and memory here: http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c06719992 The deal may be dead. I ordered two, and it might be possible to redirect one of them to another address before it's built (build date scheduled for Dec 16) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: my new laptop
On 2020-11-27 11:30, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: Seagate Backup Plus 5TB Portable Hard Drive with Rescue Data Recovery Services Good point. And the Pavilion comes with 10GB/s USB ports. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: my new laptop
Seagate Backup Plus 5TB Portable Hard Drive with Rescue Data Recovery Services https://www.costco.com/seagate-backup-plus-5tb-portable-hard-drive-with-rescue-data-recovery-services.product.100510586.html Rick From: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: November 27, 2020 11:22 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: astrasfo...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: my new laptop My sig. oth. wants her new laptop to have TONS of storage for all her photos. Will this model suffice? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: my new laptop
My sig. oth. wants her new laptop to have TONS of storage for all her photos. Will this model suffice? On Fri, Nov 27, 2020 at 12:18 PM OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > On Fri, Nov 27, 2020 at 10:08 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > So, does that mean the review I read was FOS? > > > > > https://www.notebookcheck.net/HP-Pavilion-15-refreshed-with-AMD-Ryzen-4000-series-Renoir-CPUs.494975.0.html > > > > You read it on the internet - it must be true! > -- > OK Don > > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to > pause and reflect." Mark Twain > > “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” > Wernher > Von Braun > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: my new laptop
On Fri, Nov 27, 2020 at 10:08 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > So, does that mean the review I read was FOS? > > https://www.notebookcheck.net/HP-Pavilion-15-refreshed-with-AMD-Ryzen-4000-series-Renoir-CPUs.494975.0.html > You read it on the internet - it must be true! -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: my new laptop
And now I download the service manual, which shows me how to replace the socketed (not soldered) DIMMs. http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c06148960 So, does that mean the review I read was FOS? https://www.notebookcheck.net/HP-Pavilion-15-refreshed-with-AMD-Ryzen-4000-series-Renoir-CPUs.494975.0.html On 2020-11-27 09:32, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: On 2020-11-27 07:56, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: https://store.hp.com/us/en/pdp/hp-pavilion-laptop-15z-eh000-touch-optional-9yv59av-1 I assumed I could order it with 8GB and upgrade later. Then I read a review of this exact model, claiming the memory was soldered to the motherboard. So I reordered for an extra $80 with 16GB, and have to cancel the first one. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: my new laptop
On 2020-11-27 07:56, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: https://store.hp.com/us/en/pdp/hp-pavilion-laptop-15z-eh000-touch-optional-9yv59av-1 I assumed I could order it with 8GB and upgrade later. Then I read a review of this exact model, claiming the memory was soldered to the motherboard. So I reordered for an extra $80 with 16GB, and have to cancel the first one. Oops. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: my new laptop
https://store.hp.com/us/en/pdp/hp-pavilion-laptop-15z-eh000-touch-optional-9yv59av-1 I wanted a 17" with SSD, HDD, and DVD writer. Ended up with a 15" with a tiny SSD (to be upgraded), but it came with a high end CPU (Ryzen 7 4700U) and was only $410 plus tax with optional upgrades to the display and wifi. Even with a crappy display, $350 for a Ryzen 7 system is crazy cheap. https://store.hp.com/us/en/pdp/hp-pavilion-laptop-15z-eh000-touch-optional-9yv59av-1 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
