Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I know the Universal Service Fund started in the 30s, maybe the Act of 1934?
But I couldn't tell if there were any free phones back then, or if the fund was
used to run wire to areas where it wasn't economically feasible, making the
possibility of signing up for phone service universal. 
Mitch. 

> On August 12, 2016 at 3:55 PM rogerhga--- via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Mitch, 
> I researched this on line and apparently the idea goes all the way back to
> Wilson and Roosevelt. Clinton set up a company (?) to start the phones. Maybe
> Bill was looking for a network behind the scenes for the Clinton Foundation
> collections, sort of like burner phones today. If you can't track it, you can
> hold the person accountable. I've seen many stories about these phone used for
> drug calls, etc. But I have no direct, first hand knowledge. 
> Best Wishes, 
> Roger 
> Roger Hale 
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
> Monroe, Ga. 
> 770-267-0850 
> www.dinnerwareclassics.com 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[rogerhga--- via Mercedes]

Mitch, 
I researched this on line and apparently the idea goes all the way back to 
Wilson and Roosevelt. Clinton set up a company (?) to start the phones. Maybe 
Bill was looking for a network behind the scenes for the Clinton Foundation 
collections, sort of like burner phones today. If you can't track it, you can 
hold the person accountable. I've seen many stories about these phone used for 
drug calls, etc. But I have no direct, first hand knowledge. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 


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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 10/08/2016 6:41 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:

And don't forget that everything should be "free"

My uncle who is maybe 70 has become quite fond of the D message as he 
feels that paying for stuff now is getting to be burdensome since the 
Rs have stolen his sosheel secoortee in the years since he became 
eligible.  He paid into it!  He paid taxes!  And medical care and 
drugs cost too much.  I think he has some various retirement pays but 
it isn't a lot, so now he wants to get on the gravy train as the lower 
economic classes are.  His (4th, 5th? I think he married one twice) 
wife is worse than he is, so they make quite a pair on their Book of 
Faces pastimes.


--FT
I have more sympathy for the older folks who are finding it difficult to 
manage on fixed incomes (maybe because I may not be too far from that 
myself).
An example, is that I built my garage in 1985 for about $5K. Now I am 
building a garden shed that is a fraction of the size of the garage and 
does not have a concrete floor and I am thinking it will cost $2500.
If prices continue to rise, I may not be able to afford to maintain my 
home. I do most work myself but it will become more difficult as I age - 
and dangerous - since it is a 2 storey.


I have little sympathy for the young folks who do not seem willing to work.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On August 11, 2016 at 11:11 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> What is a "bummer phone"?

AKA Obama phone, a misnomer by the way. 
Free phone service for the poor was established by the 1996 Telecommunications
Act, so we should be calling them Clinton Phones. 
Since Tracfone started offering Lifeline services around 9 years ago, free
gubbermint cell phones have soared in popularity, with the numbers skyrocketing
after the 2008 economic crash. 
A lot of people actually think the free cell phones were The Bummer's idea. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Grant wrote:
> If you can work, why are you taking government subsidy?
> If you have the capacity to support yourself [and possibly others] why
> don't you?

Nice!
Is there any movement between the Demican and Republicrat poles?
Can we get along?  Can we understand someone else?
Maybe?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

--FT wrote:
> ...most
> would not work at all, they prefer to be spoon fed and remain on the
> government plantation.

There is zero disagreement with what you say - totally rational.
However, who are these "most" who would not work at all?  ... who
"prefer to be spoon fed"?
Are these tv actors?  Fables?  Gullah?  I have never met a person in
this select subset titled "most."  I have heard fables of them for
decades.  I wonder...  No... I am not voting for HRC, I'm just getting
curious about this manipulation indoctrination.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

What is a "bummer phone"?

On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 12:11 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Actually, it is one (of several) ways of causing inflation.  Inflation is
> a tax on saved money; it devalues the money in the bank (or CD or IRA or
> market) as the government (actually the Fed) generates cash with a printing
> press.  When I was in elementary  school I didn't understand why people in
> the 18th century didn't like paper money; that was during the gold
> standard.  No mystery now.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 4:28 PM
> > I think that the minimum wage thing is largely a waste of time, not
> increasing
> > poverty but not raising people out of it either.
> > Basically its political masturbation.
> > -Curt
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Maybe? 

Growing goobermnt and causing more ppl to be dependent on goobermnt IS 
the OBJECTIVE of BOTH parties.  One is socialist, the other hard core 
marxist.   Why do you thing BOTH the (J) and the (E) parties are 
fighting perry/walker/cruz/trump so hard?


All the (E) leadership fights the aforementioned individuals 10 times 
harder than it fights the "opposition" party.



Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
August 10, 2016 at 11:11 PM
Maybe not. The normal liberal reaction to failing/failed liberal policy if
to double down and do more of the same. But maybe the true goal is not to
make people more prosperous but to increase government dependency.




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Curley McLain <mailto:126die...@gmail.com>
August 10, 2016 at 3:26 PM



They haft have it...  All the union cronies are paid based on the min 
wage.   Min. goes up $5,  the longshoremen go up $20.  Higher onion 
wages means more money in the (J) party treasury, as the onions 
confiscate more from the membership.


LOTS if "unintended" consequences.  However NOTHING is by accident in 
politiks!

Curt Raymond via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
August 10, 2016 at 3:15 PM
I was thinking that since not all places have raised the minimum wage 
this will be a good object lesson in why the minimum wage doesn't work 
but I'm sure the liberals will have some "good excuse" that the higher 
minimum would have worked if only...

-Curt

From: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Floyd Thursby <buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

TRIGGER WARNING:  RIGHT WIND PROPAGANDA:

Seattle employees ask for REDUCED hours..

Seattle employees ask for REDUCED hours so that the "jacked-up" minimum
wage won't cost them subsidized housing:  Gee, who could have seen this
coming...

Now this is downright funny. They scream for a higher minimum wage then
when they get it they complain because they make too much money to
qualify for the free stuff, go figure.  By jacking up minimum wage,
Seattle has provided a valuable lesson in liberal economics. The plan
has now backfired.

Nora Gibson, who is the executive director of Full Life Care told KIRO 7
she saw a sudden reaction from workers when Seattle's phased
minimum-wage ordinance took effect in April, bringing minimum wage to
$11 an hour. She said anecdotally, some people feared they would lose
their subsidized housing so they have asked that their work hours be
reduced to remain eligible for all government subsidies.

It doesn't stop at $11/hour. The law puts it up to $15 starting January
1, 2017, they will have to reduce their work hours even more to remain
eligible for handouts. Good thing the minimum wage wasn't raised even
higher, most would not work at all, they prefer to be spoon fed and
remain on the government plantation.


Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
August 10, 2016 at 3:12 PM
TRIGGER WARNING:  RIGHT WIND PROPAGANDA:

Seattle employees ask for REDUCED hours..

Seattle employees ask for REDUCED hours so that the "jacked-up" 
minimum wage won't cost them subsidized housing:  Gee, who could have 
seen this coming...


Now this is downright funny. They scream for a higher minimum wage 
then when they get it they complain because they make too much money 
to qualify for the free stuff, go figure.  By jacking up minimum wage, 
Seattle has provided a valuable lesson in liberal economics. The plan 
has now backfired.


Nora Gibson, who is the executive director of Full Life Care told KIRO 
7 she saw a sudden reaction from workers when Seattle's phased 
minimum-wage ordinance took effect in April, bringing minimum wage to 
$11 an hour. She said anecdotally, some people feared they would lose 
their subsidized housing so they have asked that their work hours be 
reduced to remain eligible for all government subsidies.


It doesn't stop at $11/hour. The law puts it up to $15 starting 
January 1, 2017, they will have to reduce their work hours even more 
to remain eligible for handouts. Good thing the minimum wage wasn't 
raised even higher, most would not work at all, they prefer to be 
spoon fed and remain on the government plantation.





clay via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
August 10, 2016 at 2:36 PM
Now Seattle is legislating a minimum wage of $15, which is squeezing 
out the low hanging employers. Mom and Pop can only afford to employ 
family, not the host of people who need jobs. Not making more tax payers.


Then they get involved in legislating scheduling and minimum hours 
tha

Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Maybe not.  The normal liberal reaction to failing/failed liberal policy if
to double down and do more of the same.  But maybe the true goal is not to
make people more prosperous but to increase government dependency.

> Curt Raymond via Mercedes  August 10,
> 2016 at 3:15 PM I was thinking that since not all places have raised
> the minimum wage this will be a good object lesson in why the minimum
> wage doesn't work but I'm sure the liberals will have some "good
> excuse" that the higher minimum would have worked if only...
> -Curt



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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Actually, it is one (of several) ways of causing inflation.  Inflation is a tax 
on saved money; it devalues the money in the bank (or CD or IRA or market) as 
the government (actually the Fed) generates cash with a printing press.  When I 
was in elementary  school I didn't understand why people in the 18th century 
didn't like paper money; that was during the gold standard.  No mystery now.

> -Original Message-
> From: Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 4:28 PM
> I think that the minimum wage thing is largely a waste of time, not increasing
> poverty but not raising people out of it either.
> Basically its political masturbation.
> -Curt
> 


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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Hey!  If mandatory $15 an hour (regardless of value added) is such a good idea, 
why not make it $20, or $100, or $10,000 an hour?

> -Original Message-
> From:  Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 4:12 PM
> TRIGGER WARNING:  RIGHT WIND PROPAGANDA:
> 
> Seattle employees ask for REDUCED hours..
> 
> Seattle employees ask for REDUCED hours so that the "jacked-up" minimum
> wage won't cost them subsidized housing:  Gee, who could have seen this
> coming...
> 
> Now this is downright funny. They scream for a higher minimum wage then
> when they get it they complain because they make too much money to
> qualify for the free stuff, go figure.  By jacking up minimum wage, Seattle 
> has
> provided a valuable lesson in liberal economics. The plan has now backfired.
> 
> Nora Gibson, who is the executive director of Full Life Care told KIRO 7 she
> saw a sudden reaction from workers when Seattle’s phased minimum-wage
> ordinance took effect in April, bringing minimum wage to
> $11 an hour. She said anecdotally, some people feared they would lose their
> subsidized housing so they have asked that their work hours be reduced to
> remain eligible for all government subsidies.
> 
> It doesn’t stop at $11/hour. The law puts it up to $15 starting January 1,
> 2017, they will have to reduce their work hours even more to remain eligible
> for handouts. Good thing the minimum wage wasn’t raised even higher, most
> would not work at all, they prefer to be spoon fed and remain on the
> government plantation.
> 


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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Ya got it all wrong Richard  It is about buying VOTES.The (J) 
party needs the votes.  It can't find enough dead people to live off of.





BTW, I carry an old Motorola flip fone, from the days when Motorola was 
a company in the USA, before they sold the fones off to be 
cheepchineechit.   I paid for it, and probably a few bummerfones too.



Richard Hattaway via Mercedes 
August 10, 2016 at 8:07 PM


From: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>


Summer camp this year, kid shows up with two Iphone 6 whatevers... 
he's 11 ... he says he gets a special deal in the bummerfone 
giveaway... they had a two for one at the free provider and so he has 
one for music and one for talking.  Kid is carrying 1300$ collection 
of phones he and/or his family paid zilch for.  I'm carrying a used 
purchase screen cracked 5C .. ( I did fix the screen today ) .. and I 
paid for the two free ones too...


I'm just confused as to how this is supposed to help, or educate, or 
whatever... confused...


Richard


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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I know someone who gets the bummerphones - he has an iPhone1.

On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 8:07 PM, Richard Hattaway via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
>
>
> From: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
>
> >I want my bummerfone!  I want free housing and a free car and free car
> >insurance and free benzine and free gas an free 'lektrik. an free
> >insulation an..
>
> Summer camp this year, kid shows up with two Iphone 6 whatevers... he's 11
> ... he says he gets a special deal in the bummerfone giveaway... they had a
> two for one at the free provider and so he has one for music and one for
> talking.  Kid is carrying 1300$ collection of phones he and/or his family
> paid zilch for.  I'm carrying a used purchase screen cracked 5C .. ( I did
> fix the screen today ) .. and I paid for the two free ones too...
>
> I'm just confused as to how this is supposed to help, or educate, or
> whatever... confused...
>
> Richard
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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

So, you want to keep the young gentleman on the other side of the 
digital divide?


--FT


On 8/10/16 9:07 PM, Richard Hattaway via Mercedes wrote:


   
From: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>



I want my bummerfone!  I want free housing and a free car and free car
insurance and free benzine and free gas an free 'lektrik. an free
insulation an..

Summer camp this year, kid shows up with two Iphone 6 whatevers... he's 11 ... 
he says he gets a special deal in the bummerfone giveaway... they had a two for 
one at the free provider and so he has one for music and one for talking.  Kid 
is carrying 1300$ collection of phones he and/or his family paid zilch for.  
I'm carrying a used purchase screen cracked 5C .. ( I did fix the screen today 
) .. and I paid for the two free ones too...

I'm just confused as to how this is supposed to help, or educate, or 
whatever... confused...

Richard
   
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[MBZ] OT: political signs

[Richard Hattaway via Mercedes]

  
From: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>

>I want my bummerfone!  I want free housing and a free car and free car 
>insurance and free benzine and free gas an free 'lektrik. an free 
>insulation an..

Summer camp this year, kid shows up with two Iphone 6 whatevers... he's 11 ... 
he says he gets a special deal in the bummerfone giveaway... they had a two for 
one at the free provider and so he has one for music and one for talking.  Kid 
is carrying 1300$ collection of phones he and/or his family paid zilch for.  
I'm carrying a used purchase screen cracked 5C .. ( I did fix the screen today 
) .. and I paid for the two free ones too... 

I'm just confused as to how this is supposed to help, or educate, or 
whatever... confused...

Richard
  
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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I want my bummerfone!  I want free housing and a free car and free car 
insurance and free benzine and free gas an free 'lektrik. an free 
insulation an..



Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
August 10, 2016 at 6:41 PM
And don't forget that everything should be "free"

My uncle who is maybe 70 has become quite fond of the D message as he 
feels that paying for stuff now is getting to be burdensome since the 
Rs have stolen his sosheel secoortee in the years since he became 
eligible.  He paid into it!  He paid taxes!  And medical care and 
drugs cost too much.  I think he has some various retirement pays but 
it isn't a lot, so now he wants to get on the gravy train as the lower 
economic classes are.  His (4th, 5th? I think he married one twice) 
wife is worse than he is, so they make quite a pair on their Book of 
Faces pastimes.


--FT



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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

RT sez:

>‎And don't forget that everything >should be "free"

>My uncle who is maybe 70 has >become quite fond of the D >message

‎http://youtu.be/qnBEYNsSlEE

Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

And don't forget that everything should be "free"

My uncle who is maybe 70 has become quite fond of the D message as he 
feels that paying for stuff now is getting to be burdensome since the Rs 
have stolen his sosheel secoortee in the years since he became 
eligible.  He paid into it!  He paid taxes!  And medical care and drugs 
cost too much.  I think he has some various retirement pays but it isn't 
a lot, so now he wants to get on the gravy train as the lower economic 
classes are.  His (4th, 5th? I think he married one twice) wife is worse 
than he is, so they make quite a pair on their Book of Faces pastimes.


--FT


On 8/10/16 6:19 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

On 10/08/2016 5:02 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Really??

How about we step outside the "victim politics" box for a moment and 
ask a

question or two.

If you can work, why are you taking government subsidy?
If you have the capacity to support yourself [and possibly others] why
don't you?

Inquiring minds want to know...

On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 2:55 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


On 10/08/2016 3:12 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:


TRIGGER WARNING:  RIGHT WIND PROPAGANDA:

Seattle employees ask for REDUCED hours..

Seattle employees ask for REDUCED hours so that the "jacked-up" 
minimum
wage won't cost them subsidized housing:  Gee, who could have seen 
this

coming...

Now this is downright funny. They scream for a higher minimum wage 
then
when they get it they complain because they make too much money to 
qualify
for the free stuff, go figure.  By jacking up minimum wage, Seattle 
has
provided a valuable lesson in liberal economics. The plan has now 
backfired.


Nora Gibson, who is the executive director of Full Life Care told 
KIRO 7
she saw a sudden reaction from workers when Seattle’s phased 
minimum-wage
ordinance took effect in April, bringing minimum wage to $11 an 
hour. She

said anecdotally, some people feared they would lose their subsidized
housing so they have asked that their work hours be reduced to remain
eligible for all government subsidies.

It doesn’t stop at $11/hour. The law puts it up to $15 starting 
January

1, 2017, they will have to reduce their work hours even more to remain
eligible for handouts. Good thing the minimum wage wasn’t raised even
higher, most would not work at all, they prefer to be spoon fed and 
remain

on the government plantation.



Someone has failed to think this through.
The obvious answer is not to work fewer hours but to raise the 
threshold

of what they can earn while getting all the free stuff.

RB

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I thought the whole idea of the socialist republic of Seattle (or 
whatever you might like to call it) was to provide better and better 
benefits for the "poor".
Why would they not plan to raise wages and benefits at the same time? 
It just fits doesn't it? Why should all these "poor" people lose their 
benefits just because the powers that be want to make them un-poor by 
raising their wages???

You have to remember that they have "rights".

RB

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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 10/08/2016 5:02 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Really??

How about we step outside the "victim politics" box for a moment and ask a
question or two.

If you can work, why are you taking government subsidy?
If you have the capacity to support yourself [and possibly others] why
don't you?

Inquiring minds want to know...

On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 2:55 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


On 10/08/2016 3:12 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:


TRIGGER WARNING:  RIGHT WIND PROPAGANDA:

Seattle employees ask for REDUCED hours..

Seattle employees ask for REDUCED hours so that the "jacked-up" minimum
wage won't cost them subsidized housing:  Gee, who could have seen this
coming...

Now this is downright funny. They scream for a higher minimum wage then
when they get it they complain because they make too much money to qualify
for the free stuff, go figure.  By jacking up minimum wage, Seattle has
provided a valuable lesson in liberal economics. The plan has now backfired.

Nora Gibson, who is the executive director of Full Life Care told KIRO 7
she saw a sudden reaction from workers when Seattle’s phased minimum-wage
ordinance took effect in April, bringing minimum wage to $11 an hour. She
said anecdotally, some people feared they would lose their subsidized
housing so they have asked that their work hours be reduced to remain
eligible for all government subsidies.

It doesn’t stop at $11/hour. The law puts it up to $15 starting January
1, 2017, they will have to reduce their work hours even more to remain
eligible for handouts. Good thing the minimum wage wasn’t raised even
higher, most would not work at all, they prefer to be spoon fed and remain
on the government plantation.



Someone has failed to think this through.
The obvious answer is not to work fewer hours but to raise the threshold
of what they can earn while getting all the free stuff.

RB

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I thought the whole idea of the socialist republic of Seattle (or 
whatever you might like to call it) was to provide better and better 
benefits for the "poor".
Why would they not plan to raise wages and benefits at the same time? It 
just fits doesn't it? Why should all these "poor" people lose their 
benefits just because the powers that be want to make them un-poor by 
raising their wages???

You have to remember that they have "rights".

RB

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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Really??

How about we step outside the "victim politics" box for a moment and ask a
question or two.

If you can work, why are you taking government subsidy?
If you have the capacity to support yourself [and possibly others] why
don't you?

Inquiring minds want to know...

On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 2:55 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On 10/08/2016 3:12 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> TRIGGER WARNING:  RIGHT WIND PROPAGANDA:
>>
>> Seattle employees ask for REDUCED hours..
>>
>> Seattle employees ask for REDUCED hours so that the "jacked-up" minimum
>> wage won't cost them subsidized housing:  Gee, who could have seen this
>> coming...
>>
>> Now this is downright funny. They scream for a higher minimum wage then
>> when they get it they complain because they make too much money to qualify
>> for the free stuff, go figure.  By jacking up minimum wage, Seattle has
>> provided a valuable lesson in liberal economics. The plan has now backfired.
>>
>> Nora Gibson, who is the executive director of Full Life Care told KIRO 7
>> she saw a sudden reaction from workers when Seattle’s phased minimum-wage
>> ordinance took effect in April, bringing minimum wage to $11 an hour. She
>> said anecdotally, some people feared they would lose their subsidized
>> housing so they have asked that their work hours be reduced to remain
>> eligible for all government subsidies.
>>
>> It doesn’t stop at $11/hour. The law puts it up to $15 starting January
>> 1, 2017, they will have to reduce their work hours even more to remain
>> eligible for handouts. Good thing the minimum wage wasn’t raised even
>> higher, most would not work at all, they prefer to be spoon fed and remain
>> on the government plantation.
>>
>>
> Someone has failed to think this through.
> The obvious answer is not to work fewer hours but to raise the threshold
> of what they can earn while getting all the free stuff.
>
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 10/08/2016 3:12 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:

TRIGGER WARNING:  RIGHT WIND PROPAGANDA:

Seattle employees ask for REDUCED hours..

Seattle employees ask for REDUCED hours so that the "jacked-up" 
minimum wage won't cost them subsidized housing:  Gee, who could have 
seen this coming...


Now this is downright funny. They scream for a higher minimum wage 
then when they get it they complain because they make too much money 
to qualify for the free stuff, go figure.  By jacking up minimum wage, 
Seattle has provided a valuable lesson in liberal economics. The plan 
has now backfired.


Nora Gibson, who is the executive director of Full Life Care told KIRO 
7 she saw a sudden reaction from workers when Seattle’s phased 
minimum-wage ordinance took effect in April, bringing minimum wage to 
$11 an hour. She said anecdotally, some people feared they would lose 
their subsidized housing so they have asked that their work hours be 
reduced to remain eligible for all government subsidies.


It doesn’t stop at $11/hour. The law puts it up to $15 starting 
January 1, 2017, they will have to reduce their work hours even more 
to remain eligible for handouts. Good thing the minimum wage wasn’t 
raised even higher, most would not work at all, they prefer to be 
spoon fed and remain on the government plantation.




Someone has failed to think this through.
The obvious answer is not to work fewer hours but to raise the threshold 
of what they can earn while getting all the free stuff.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Here is a short video of what happened the last time government got out of
control.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3dmeTZfNq4

It has been opined that history always repeats.

Some of you may want to seek your "safe space".others may want something
else.

On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 1:32 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> That's truly funny! However it is not about Min wage, it is about the
> onion contracts tied to min wage, and that is ALL about putting more
> confiscated cash in the (J) party and for payoffs to its cronies.
>
> Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>> August 10, 2016 at 3:27 PM
>> I think that the minimum wage thing is largely a waste of time, not
>> increasing poverty but not raising people out of it either.
>> Basically its political masturbation.
>> -Curt
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

That's truly funny! However it is not about Min wage, it is about 
the onion contracts tied to min wage, and that is ALL about putting more 
confiscated cash in the (J) party and for payoffs to its cronies.



Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
August 10, 2016 at 3:27 PM
I think that the minimum wage thing is largely a waste of time, not 
increasing poverty but not raising people out of it either.

Basically its political masturbation.
-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Mao and Josef lowered poverty. ...  by maybe a hundred million people.  
Dose folk weren't in poverty no mo!


BO and the witch wanna reduce poverty the same way.


Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
August 10, 2016 at 3:18 PM
Bingo! Bigger government (more laws / regulations) = less liberty
(increased poverty) Every. Single. Time.

-
Max
Charleston SC



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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
August 10, 2016 at 3:15 PM
I was thinking that since not all places have raised the minimum wage 
this will be a good object lesson in why the minimum wage doesn't work 
but I'm sure the liberals will have some "good excuse" that the higher 
minimum would have worked if only...

-Curt


They haft have it...  All the union cronies are paid based on the min 
wage.   Min. goes up $5,  the longshoremen go up $20.  Higher onion 
wages means more money in the (J) party treasury, as the onions 
confiscate more from the membership.


LOTS if "unintended" consequences.  However NOTHING is by accident in 
politiks!

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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Bingo!  Bigger government (more laws / regulations) = less liberty
(increased poverty) Every. Single. Time.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I was thinking that since not all places have raised the minimum wage this
> will be a good object lesson in why the minimum wage doesn't work but I'm
> sure the liberals will have some "good excuse" that the higher minimum
> would have worked if only...
> -Curt
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

That is what happenswhen they are allowed to run things.   The witch 
envisions herself to be the next lenin or m tse dung.



clay via Mercedes 
August 10, 2016 at 2:36 PM
Now Seattle is legislating a minimum wage of $15, which is squeezing 
out the low hanging employers. Mom and Pop can only afford to employ 
family, not the host of people who need jobs. Not making more tax payers.


Then they get involved in legislating scheduling and minimum hours 
that employers give workers. This is getting more and more 
socialist/Marxist with the populace controlled by government, which is 
limiting labors ability to meet its own needs


clay


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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I was thinking that since not all places have raised the minimum wage this will 
be a good object lesson in why the minimum wage doesn't work but I'm sure the 
liberals will have some "good excuse" that the higher minimum would have worked 
if only...
-Curt

  From: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Floyd Thursby <buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 4:12 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs
   
TRIGGER WARNING:  RIGHT WIND PROPAGANDA:

Seattle employees ask for REDUCED hours..

Seattle employees ask for REDUCED hours so that the "jacked-up" minimum 
wage won't cost them subsidized housing:  Gee, who could have seen this 
coming...

Now this is downright funny. They scream for a higher minimum wage then 
when they get it they complain because they make too much money to 
qualify for the free stuff, go figure.  By jacking up minimum wage, 
Seattle has provided a valuable lesson in liberal economics. The plan 
has now backfired.

Nora Gibson, who is the executive director of Full Life Care told KIRO 7 
she saw a sudden reaction from workers when Seattle’s phased 
minimum-wage ordinance took effect in April, bringing minimum wage to 
$11 an hour. She said anecdotally, some people feared they would lose 
their subsidized housing so they have asked that their work hours be 
reduced to remain eligible for all government subsidies.

It doesn’t stop at $11/hour. The law puts it up to $15 starting January 
1, 2017, they will have to reduce their work hours even more to remain 
eligible for handouts. Good thing the minimum wage wasn’t raised even 
higher, most would not work at all, they prefer to be spoon fed and 
remain on the government plantation.


On 8/10/16 3:36 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:
> Now Seattle is legislating a minimum wage of $15, which is squeezing out the 
> low hanging employers.  Mom and Pop can only afford to employ family, not the 
> host of people who need jobs.  Not making more tax payers.
>
> Then they get involved in legislating scheduling and minimum hours that 
> employers give workers.  This is getting more and more socialist/Marxist with 
> the populace controlled by government, which is limiting labors ability to 
> meet its own needs
>
> clay
>
>
> I will leave it to the Second Amendment guys to help resolve the issues
>
>
>
>> On Aug 9, 2016, at 4:47 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Actually, lowering taxes across the board produces more tax revenue. I
>> know, heads are spinning at that comment. Follow along for just a bit.
>>
>> Lower taxes means less burden on both workers and businesses. That directly
>> equates to more business orders placed, more goods sold, and more work
>> hours paid for to produce those goods, thus, more wages paid.
>>
>> Each time a dollar is spent, it pays a tax. Spend more dollars, collect
>> more taxes.
>>
>> If you tax a dollar at 90% and it only gets spent one time.. you collect 90
>> cents.
>> Spending produces a taxable event so "people" stop spending, banks stop
>> loaning, and industry moves out of the country to places where they don't
>> have to deal with regulation and confiscatory taxes. Like China, India,
>> Mexico, etc etc..
>>
>> If you tax a dollar at 5% and both industry and labor spends that dollar
>> and keeps circulating it, which is what happens when a fair tax rate is
>> used, like back in "1952", the total taxes collected are exponentially
>> higher. Dollars stay on the move, creating "taxable events".
>>
>> To gain perspective, an example. In May of 2016, every cargo ship in the
>> world was setting in port, or at anchor, or empty.  There is a web site
>> which tracks every ship in the world, you can look it up.. They were all
>> setting because factories had not received sufficient orders for the
>> previous months to fill them. Warehouses that would receive their loads
>> were at capacity, [capacity defined by willingness to buy and warehouse
>> unsold goods] and companies that bought goods from those warehouses simply
>> were not buying... because people were either broke or holding what ever
>> funds they had, rather than buy more goods..
>>
>> Simple fact... if the government taxed every worker at 100% of annual
>> income, it would only run the government, at it's present rate of spending,
>> for about 5 days.
>> We don't need more taxes.. we need more restraint on those doing the
>> spending, as a starting point.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 1:56 PM, clay via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>

Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

TRIGGER WARNING:  RIGHT WIND PROPAGANDA:

Seattle employees ask for REDUCED hours..

Seattle employees ask for REDUCED hours so that the "jacked-up" minimum 
wage won't cost them subsidized housing:  Gee, who could have seen this 
coming...


Now this is downright funny. They scream for a higher minimum wage then 
when they get it they complain because they make too much money to 
qualify for the free stuff, go figure.  By jacking up minimum wage, 
Seattle has provided a valuable lesson in liberal economics. The plan 
has now backfired.


Nora Gibson, who is the executive director of Full Life Care told KIRO 7 
she saw a sudden reaction from workers when Seattle’s phased 
minimum-wage ordinance took effect in April, bringing minimum wage to 
$11 an hour. She said anecdotally, some people feared they would lose 
their subsidized housing so they have asked that their work hours be 
reduced to remain eligible for all government subsidies.


It doesn’t stop at $11/hour. The law puts it up to $15 starting January 
1, 2017, they will have to reduce their work hours even more to remain 
eligible for handouts. Good thing the minimum wage wasn’t raised even 
higher, most would not work at all, they prefer to be spoon fed and 
remain on the government plantation.



On 8/10/16 3:36 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:

Now Seattle is legislating a minimum wage of $15, which is squeezing out the 
low hanging employers.  Mom and Pop can only afford to employ family, not the 
host of people who need jobs.  Not making more tax payers.

Then they get involved in legislating scheduling and minimum hours that 
employers give workers.  This is getting more and more socialist/Marxist with 
the populace controlled by government, which is limiting labors ability to meet 
its own needs

clay


I will leave it to the Second Amendment guys to help resolve the issues




On Aug 9, 2016, at 4:47 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  wrote:

Actually, lowering taxes across the board produces more tax revenue. I
know, heads are spinning at that comment. Follow along for just a bit.

Lower taxes means less burden on both workers and businesses. That directly
equates to more business orders placed, more goods sold, and more work
hours paid for to produce those goods, thus, more wages paid.

Each time a dollar is spent, it pays a tax. Spend more dollars, collect
more taxes.

If you tax a dollar at 90% and it only gets spent one time.. you collect 90
cents.
Spending produces a taxable event so "people" stop spending, banks stop
loaning, and industry moves out of the country to places where they don't
have to deal with regulation and confiscatory taxes. Like China, India,
Mexico, etc etc..

If you tax a dollar at 5% and both industry and labor spends that dollar
and keeps circulating it, which is what happens when a fair tax rate is
used, like back in "1952", the total taxes collected are exponentially
higher. Dollars stay on the move, creating "taxable events".

To gain perspective, an example. In May of 2016, every cargo ship in the
world was setting in port, or at anchor, or empty.  There is a web site
which tracks every ship in the world, you can look it up.. They were all
setting because factories had not received sufficient orders for the
previous months to fill them. Warehouses that would receive their loads
were at capacity, [capacity defined by willingness to buy and warehouse
unsold goods] and companies that bought goods from those warehouses simply
were not buying... because people were either broke or holding what ever
funds they had, rather than buy more goods..

Simple fact... if the government taxed every worker at 100% of annual
income, it would only run the government, at it's present rate of spending,
for about 5 days.
We don't need more taxes.. we need more restraint on those doing the
spending, as a starting point.


On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 1:56 PM, clay via Mercedes 
wrote:


The liberal Heaven of Seattle has become a homeless encampment in the last
8 years.  These folks are taking over the public rights of way, highway
verges, roundabouts, sidewalks, any space they can find to set up camp.
The population of unemployed in the Soviet Socialist Republic of Seattle
has boomed under O’bummer.  Bush was not able to produce enough of this
population over an 8 year period.  The homeless under his rule took up park
benches, and clogged shelters, but nothing like the thousands living in
tents and what look like refugee camps.

Under the Evil Queen, I am sure there will be even more dispossessed and
an even greater decline in national infrastructure.  Roving bands of pan
handlers will swarm along pot holed roadways, pleading for handouts that
the goobermint is no longer capable of producing.  The third world will
have taken hold of America and we will all have to move to Canada for the
health care and not because we just can not stand the idiot residing in the
festering swamp along the 

Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[clay via Mercedes]

Now Seattle is legislating a minimum wage of $15, which is squeezing out the 
low hanging employers.  Mom and Pop can only afford to employ family, not the 
host of people who need jobs.  Not making more tax payers. 

Then they get involved in legislating scheduling and minimum hours that 
employers give workers.  This is getting more and more socialist/Marxist with 
the populace controlled by government, which is limiting labors ability to meet 
its own needs

clay


I will leave it to the Second Amendment guys to help resolve the issues



> On Aug 9, 2016, at 4:47 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Actually, lowering taxes across the board produces more tax revenue. I
> know, heads are spinning at that comment. Follow along for just a bit.
> 
> Lower taxes means less burden on both workers and businesses. That directly
> equates to more business orders placed, more goods sold, and more work
> hours paid for to produce those goods, thus, more wages paid.
> 
> Each time a dollar is spent, it pays a tax. Spend more dollars, collect
> more taxes.
> 
> If you tax a dollar at 90% and it only gets spent one time.. you collect 90
> cents.
> Spending produces a taxable event so "people" stop spending, banks stop
> loaning, and industry moves out of the country to places where they don't
> have to deal with regulation and confiscatory taxes. Like China, India,
> Mexico, etc etc..
> 
> If you tax a dollar at 5% and both industry and labor spends that dollar
> and keeps circulating it, which is what happens when a fair tax rate is
> used, like back in "1952", the total taxes collected are exponentially
> higher. Dollars stay on the move, creating "taxable events".
> 
> To gain perspective, an example. In May of 2016, every cargo ship in the
> world was setting in port, or at anchor, or empty.  There is a web site
> which tracks every ship in the world, you can look it up.. They were all
> setting because factories had not received sufficient orders for the
> previous months to fill them. Warehouses that would receive their loads
> were at capacity, [capacity defined by willingness to buy and warehouse
> unsold goods] and companies that bought goods from those warehouses simply
> were not buying... because people were either broke or holding what ever
> funds they had, rather than buy more goods..
> 
> Simple fact... if the government taxed every worker at 100% of annual
> income, it would only run the government, at it's present rate of spending,
> for about 5 days.
> We don't need more taxes.. we need more restraint on those doing the
> spending, as a starting point.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 1:56 PM, clay via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> The liberal Heaven of Seattle has become a homeless encampment in the last
>> 8 years.  These folks are taking over the public rights of way, highway
>> verges, roundabouts, sidewalks, any space they can find to set up camp.
>> The population of unemployed in the Soviet Socialist Republic of Seattle
>> has boomed under O’bummer.  Bush was not able to produce enough of this
>> population over an 8 year period.  The homeless under his rule took up park
>> benches, and clogged shelters, but nothing like the thousands living in
>> tents and what look like refugee camps.
>> 
>> Under the Evil Queen, I am sure there will be even more dispossessed and
>> an even greater decline in national infrastructure.  Roving bands of pan
>> handlers will swarm along pot holed roadways, pleading for handouts that
>> the goobermint is no longer capable of producing.  The third world will
>> have taken hold of America and we will all have to move to Canada for the
>> health care and not because we just can not stand the idiot residing in the
>> festering swamp along the Potomac.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
>> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
>> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
>> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
>> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 8, 2016, at 8:12 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 
 Anybody with a brain can see that Trump has NO plan, you can't lower
 taxes, pay off the deficit, put more money into defense and deport 11
 million people all while maintaining social security, medicare and
>> "taking
 care of everybody". Thats the kind of plan somebody thats been bankrupt
>> 4
 times would come up with.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Not deport.  Sell into slavery.  That oughta just about pay for it!  :-)
>>> 
>>> I hate to say it, but I'd prefer "clueless boob" to "evil plotting
>> monster"
>>> any day.  The system is designed to shield us from the former much better
>>> than from the latter.
>>> 
>>> -- Jim
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>>> To 

Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Yes that is true. Businesses sitting on cash at home and abroad, 
consumers buying stuff (low fuel prices help the perceived "wealth" 
though incomes have declined in the last several years).


--FT


On 8/10/16 11:53 AM, Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote:

G wrote:

... because people were either broke or holding what ever
funds they had, rather than buy more goods..

How about this line I heard.
The "recovery" is being funded by consumer spending, not business spending.
Maybe interesting? - Dr. Grant our okiebenz economist? comment please?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

G wrote:
> ... because people were either broke or holding what ever
> funds they had, rather than buy more goods..

How about this line I heard.
The "recovery" is being funded by consumer spending, not business spending.
Maybe interesting? - Dr. Grant our okiebenz economist? comment please?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Grant wrote:
> We don't need more taxes.. we need more restraint on those doing the
> spending, as a starting point.

Good luck having that happen in the middle of corruption.
It ain't happenin' but it sure sounds good?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

>Grant said: " Simple fact... if the >government taxed every worker >at 100% of 
>annual income, it >would only run the government, >at it's present rate of 
>spending, >for about 5 days."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=661pi6K-8WQ=em

Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 09 Aug 2016 21:01:40 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Ouch!  The truth hurts!   You will boggle the brain cells of the H-> 
> (highway to hell) supporters on here!
> 
> Funny how they all worship JFK, yet say what JFK knew to be true, is 
> false, and "know" that what JFK did that boosted the economy "won't
> work!"

Even Bill Clinton, when visiting in Japan and confronted with a sluggish
economy there, told them to cut taxes.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

It's called the Laffer curve.  Art Laffer was an economist who worked for 
Reagan, among others.  Like supply and demand curves, it's conceptually a sound 
but notional theory.

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> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of G
> Mann via Mercedes
> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 7:47 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Cc: G Mann <g2ma...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs
> 
> Actually, lowering taxes across the board produces more tax revenue. I know,
> heads are spinning at that comment. Follow along for just a bit.
> 
> Lower taxes means less burden on both workers and businesses. That directly
> equates to more business orders placed, more goods sold, and more work
> hours paid for to produce those goods, thus, more wages paid.
> 
> Each time a dollar is spent, it pays a tax. Spend more dollars, collect more
> taxes.
> 
> If you tax a dollar at 90% and it only gets spent one time.. you collect 90
> cents.
> Spending produces a taxable event so "people" stop spending, banks stop
> loaning, and industry moves out of the country to places where they don't
> have to deal with regulation and confiscatory taxes. Like China, India, 
> Mexico,
> etc etc..
> 
> If you tax a dollar at 5% and both industry and labor spends that dollar and
> keeps circulating it, which is what happens when a fair tax rate is used, like
> back in "1952", the total taxes collected are exponentially higher. Dollars 
> stay
> on the move, creating "taxable events".
> 
> To gain perspective, an example. In May of 2016, every cargo ship in the
> world was setting in port, or at anchor, or empty.  There is a web site which
> tracks every ship in the world, you can look it up.. They were all setting
> because factories had not received sufficient orders for the previous months
> to fill them. Warehouses that would receive their loads were at capacity,
> [capacity defined by willingness to buy and warehouse unsold goods] and
> companies that bought goods from those warehouses simply were not
> buying... because people were either broke or holding what ever funds they
> had, rather than buy more goods..
> 
> Simple fact... if the government taxed every worker at 100% of annual
> income, it would only run the government, at it's present rate of spending,
> for about 5 days.
> We don't need more taxes.. we need more restraint on those doing the
> spending, as a starting point.
> 
> 


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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Grant said: " Simple fact... if the government taxed every worker at 100% of 
annual income, it would only run the government, at it's present rate of 
spending, for about 5 days."

But if the government took 100% of my earnings, I'd stop working entirely (i.e. 
zero tax revenue).  That's the basis of the Laffer curve.



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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Ouch!  The truth hurts!   You will boggle the brain cells of the H-> 
(highway to hell) supporters on here!


Funny how they all worship JFK, yet say what JFK knew to be true, is 
false, and "know" that what JFK did that boosted the economy "won't work!"


Hear Here!

G Mann via Mercedes 
August 9, 2016 at 6:47 PM
Actually, lowering taxes across the board produces more tax revenue. I
know, heads are spinning at that comment. Follow along for just a bit.

Lower taxes means less burden on both workers and businesses. That 
directly

equates to more business orders placed, more goods sold, and more work
hours paid for to produce those goods, thus, more wages paid.

Each time a dollar is spent, it pays a tax. Spend more dollars, collect
more taxes.

If you tax a dollar at 90% and it only gets spent one time.. you 
collect 90

cents.
Spending produces a taxable event so "people" stop spending, banks stop
loaning, and industry moves out of the country to places where they don't
have to deal with regulation and confiscatory taxes. Like China, India,
Mexico, etc etc..

If you tax a dollar at 5% and both industry and labor spends that dollar
and keeps circulating it, which is what happens when a fair tax rate is
used, like back in "1952", the total taxes collected are exponentially
higher. Dollars stay on the move, creating "taxable events".

To gain perspective, an example. In May of 2016, every cargo ship in the
world was setting in port, or at anchor, or empty. There is a web site
which tracks every ship in the world, you can look it up.. They were all
setting because factories had not received sufficient orders for the
previous months to fill them. Warehouses that would receive their loads
were at capacity, [capacity defined by willingness to buy and warehouse
unsold goods] and companies that bought goods from those warehouses simply
were not buying... because people were either broke or holding what ever
funds they had, rather than buy more goods..

Simple fact... if the government taxed every worker at 100% of annual
income, it would only run the government, at it's present rate of 
spending,

for about 5 days.
We don't need more taxes.. we need more restraint on those doing the
spending, as a starting point.


On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 1:56 PM, clay via Mercedes 
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clay via Mercedes 
August 9, 2016 at 3:56 PM
The liberal Heaven of Seattle has become a homeless encampment in the 
last 8 years. These folks are taking over the public rights of way, 
highway verges, roundabouts, sidewalks, any space they can find to set 
up camp. The population of unemployed in the Soviet Socialist Republic 
of Seattle has boomed under O’bummer. Bush was not able to produce 
enough of this population over an 8 year period. The homeless under 
his rule took up park benches, and clogged shelters, but nothing like 
the thousands living in tents and what look like refugee camps.


Under the Evil Queen, I am sure there will be even more dispossessed 
and an even greater decline in national infrastructure. Roving bands 
of pan handlers will swarm along pot holed roadways, pleading for 
handouts that the goobermint is no longer capable of producing. The 
third world will have taken hold of America and we will all have to 
move to Canada for the health care and not because we just can not 
stand the idiot residing in the festering swamp along the Potomac.







clay

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1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers









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Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
August 8, 2016 at 10:12 PM


Not deport. Sell into slavery. That oughta just about pay for it! :-)

I hate to say it, but I'd prefer "clueless boob" to "evil plotting 
monster"

any day. The system is designed to shield us from the former much better
than from the latter.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Actually, lowering taxes across the board produces more tax revenue. I
know, heads are spinning at that comment. Follow along for just a bit.

Lower taxes means less burden on both workers and businesses. That directly
equates to more business orders placed, more goods sold, and more work
hours paid for to produce those goods, thus, more wages paid.

Each time a dollar is spent, it pays a tax. Spend more dollars, collect
more taxes.

If you tax a dollar at 90% and it only gets spent one time.. you collect 90
cents.
Spending produces a taxable event so "people" stop spending, banks stop
loaning, and industry moves out of the country to places where they don't
have to deal with regulation and confiscatory taxes. Like China, India,
Mexico, etc etc..

If you tax a dollar at 5% and both industry and labor spends that dollar
and keeps circulating it, which is what happens when a fair tax rate is
used, like back in "1952", the total taxes collected are exponentially
higher. Dollars stay on the move, creating "taxable events".

To gain perspective, an example. In May of 2016, every cargo ship in the
world was setting in port, or at anchor, or empty.  There is a web site
which tracks every ship in the world, you can look it up.. They were all
setting because factories had not received sufficient orders for the
previous months to fill them. Warehouses that would receive their loads
were at capacity, [capacity defined by willingness to buy and warehouse
unsold goods] and companies that bought goods from those warehouses simply
were not buying... because people were either broke or holding what ever
funds they had, rather than buy more goods..

Simple fact... if the government taxed every worker at 100% of annual
income, it would only run the government, at it's present rate of spending,
for about 5 days.
We don't need more taxes.. we need more restraint on those doing the
spending, as a starting point.


On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 1:56 PM, clay via Mercedes 
wrote:

> The liberal Heaven of Seattle has become a homeless encampment in the last
> 8 years.  These folks are taking over the public rights of way, highway
> verges, roundabouts, sidewalks, any space they can find to set up camp.
> The population of unemployed in the Soviet Socialist Republic of Seattle
> has boomed under O’bummer.  Bush was not able to produce enough of this
> population over an 8 year period.  The homeless under his rule took up park
> benches, and clogged shelters, but nothing like the thousands living in
> tents and what look like refugee camps.
>
> Under the Evil Queen, I am sure there will be even more dispossessed and
> an even greater decline in national infrastructure.  Roving bands of pan
> handlers will swarm along pot holed roadways, pleading for handouts that
> the goobermint is no longer capable of producing.  The third world will
> have taken hold of America and we will all have to move to Canada for the
> health care and not because we just can not stand the idiot residing in the
> festering swamp along the Potomac.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> clay
>
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 8, 2016, at 8:12 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Anybody with a brain can see that Trump has NO plan, you can't lower
> >> taxes, pay off the deficit, put more money into defense and deport 11
> >> million people all while maintaining social security, medicare and
> "taking
> >> care of everybody". Thats the kind of plan somebody thats been bankrupt
> 4
> >> times would come up with.
> >
> >
> > Not deport.  Sell into slavery.  That oughta just about pay for it!  :-)
> >
> > I hate to say it, but I'd prefer "clueless boob" to "evil plotting
> monster"
> > any day.  The system is designed to shield us from the former much better
> > than from the latter.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[clay via Mercedes]

The liberal Heaven of Seattle has become a homeless encampment in the last 8 
years.  These folks are taking over the public rights of way, highway verges, 
roundabouts, sidewalks, any space they can find to set up camp.  The population 
of unemployed in the Soviet Socialist Republic of Seattle has boomed under 
O’bummer.  Bush was not able to produce enough of this population over an 8 
year period.  The homeless under his rule took up park benches, and clogged 
shelters, but nothing like the thousands living in tents and what look like 
refugee camps.  

Under the Evil Queen, I am sure there will be even more dispossessed and an 
even greater decline in national infrastructure.  Roving bands of pan handlers 
will swarm along pot holed roadways, pleading for handouts that the goobermint 
is no longer capable of producing.  The third world will have taken hold of 
America and we will all have to move to Canada for the health care and not 
because we just can not stand the idiot residing in the festering swamp along 
the Potomac.






clay 

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








> On Aug 8, 2016, at 8:12 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Anybody with a brain can see that Trump has NO plan, you can't lower
>> taxes, pay off the deficit, put more money into defense and deport 11
>> million people all while maintaining social security, medicare and "taking
>> care of everybody". Thats the kind of plan somebody thats been bankrupt 4
>> times would come up with.
> 
> 
> Not deport.  Sell into slavery.  That oughta just about pay for it!  :-)
> 
> I hate to say it, but I'd prefer "clueless boob" to "evil plotting monster"
> any day.  The system is designed to shield us from the former much better
> than from the latter.
> 
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs of the times

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

How many weeks in Rohm-town does it take to equal more deaths that what 
we had in Iraq?


But, since they are all (D) in a (D) town we never hear that body count


Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
August 9, 2016 at 11:06 AM
Chitown bangers shooting 9 for 22, .409 for Monday.  Gun control has 
improved considerably, usually they're down around .200 or lower!


http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/police-7-dead-10-wounded-in-chicago-shootings-monday/ 



--FT



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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs of the times

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

It's due to the "gun show loophole."  The bangers go to the gun shows in 
Chiraq and buy all their guns under this "loophole." Mayor Rahm is 
devoting all his energy to closing this "loophole" but needs more money 
to be successful.


But not to worry about the deceased, they will vote D in November!

--FT


On 8/9/16 12:56 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Since Chicago has strict gun control laws, and it is nearly impossible for
a legal citizen to obtain a concealed carry permit in the state of
Illinois, it is apparent the city needs more and larger "gun free zone"
signs.

I'm sure the ones they have, along with the strict gun control laws are
working, obviously, the killers just couldn't see the signs... or couldn't
read them.

Sarcasm off

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 9:06 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Chitown bangers shooting 9 for 22, .409 for Monday.  Gun control has
improved considerably, usually they're down around .200 or lower!

http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/police-7-dead-10-wounded-in
-chicago-shootings-monday/

--FT

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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs of the times

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Since Chicago has strict gun control laws, and it is nearly impossible for
a legal citizen to obtain a concealed carry permit in the state of
Illinois, it is apparent the city needs more and larger "gun free zone"
signs.

I'm sure the ones they have, along with the strict gun control laws are
working, obviously, the killers just couldn't see the signs... or couldn't
read them.

Sarcasm off

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 9:06 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Chitown bangers shooting 9 for 22, .409 for Monday.  Gun control has
> improved considerably, usually they're down around .200 or lower!
>
> http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/police-7-dead-10-wounded-in
> -chicago-shootings-monday/
>
> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs of the times

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Chitown bangers shooting 9 for 22, .409 for Monday.  Gun control has 
improved considerably, usually they're down around .200 or lower!


http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/police-7-dead-10-wounded-in-chicago-shootings-monday/

--FT

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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

-Curt wrote:
> Politics has become talking, not discussion. For discussion you have to 
> listen...

Discussion? - Did you want to live in the 1950's?  Coleman lamps,
Coleman stoves, Coleman heaters...
That is an archaic concept - discussion...
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

We need to have a con.vuh.say.shun.

--FT


On 8/9/16 11:22 AM, Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote:

-Curt wrote:

Politics has become talking, not discussion. For discussion you have to 
listen...

Discussion? - Did you want to live in the 1950's?  Coleman lamps,
Coleman stoves, Coleman heaters...
That is an archaic concept - discussion...
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

-Curt wrote:
> See on the other hand I think:
> A. Government actually has very little to do with the economy
> B. The economy is a big crazy thing that nobody really understands and when 
> somebody says they do they're probably selling something.
> C. The economy is NOT rational for the simple reason that people are not 
> rational and will cut their own throat to make a buck.

Curt for prez?
Sounds decent to me.
Do any of the Donald or Hillary promises implement these?
may

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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Pass.

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> We need to have a con.vuh.say.shun.
>
> --FT
>
>
>
> On 8/9/16 11:22 AM, Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> -Curt wrote:
>>
>>> Politics has become talking, not discussion. For discussion you have to
>>> listen...
>>>
>> Discussion? - Did you want to live in the 1950's?  Coleman lamps,
>> Coleman stoves, Coleman heaters...
>> That is an archaic concept - discussion...
>> mao
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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

I am enjoying reading D'Souza's "Stealing America."


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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

RR quote "If you want more of something, subsidize it; if you want less of 
something, tax it."

FDR quote "‎In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can 
bet it was planned that way."

Ruminate on that a while.

Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I am sure it is not correct, but it was an illustration of some of the 
top level taxes.   Thanks for the info.



Max Dillon via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
August 8, 2016 at 11:30 PM
I think your A answer is wrong, twenty-five years ago, the estimated 
cumulative tax on the average grocery store food item was about 75%, 
counting all the taxes starting with the property tax on the land the 
farmer used, to all the taxes at each stage of the chain that the crop 
went through, to the final sales tax paid at the register. The 
taxation power alone is unbelievable, and the effect is immensely 
negative, on both prosperity and liberty.

Curley McLain <mailto:126die...@gmail.com>
August 8, 2016 at 9:42 PM
That is not at all what I said.  I gave you facts, and an opportunity 
to answer your question, which I believed was a legitimate request.  
You don't have to seek answers, but I will not spoon feed you.


A:  The gooberment interferes with all parts of the economy, and and 
has a huge influence on the prosperity, or lack thereof, of the 
citizenry.  This is done by taxes, yes, but more so by regulatory 
burdens.  There is no business, small or large that does not have a 
huge regulatory burden.  Wanna make some dog treats?  You would not 
BELIEVE the regulatory burden.  Angie wanna make and sell some 
cookies?  Same thing, but actually, not as bad.  Wanna make and sell 
some gizmo for lanterns or snowmobiles?  Endless regulatory burden, 
and IF you happen to be lucky enough to MAKE some money, Uncle is 
there with his hand out.  Over 15% off the top for SS, then medicare 
etc., then state and fed income tax, sales tax, tax and tax, 
bummercare tax, Workmen's comp, and mountains of regulation.  That 
chokes more businesses than  anything else.  You will be looking at 
40% to 65% off the top of your gross sales for taxes alone.


B:  It is big, but it responds to certain things.  The Tax cuts done 
by JFK sparked huge growth.  When RR did the same thing, and even 
bigger, longer period of growth occurred, lasting through most of the 
W period.  The economy does not care if the tax is cut by D or R.  It 
will grow.  The economy does not care if D or R raise taxes.  Either 
way, the economy shrinks.


C:  No comment

D: There are only 2 or 3 ways out from where we are.  1.  Financial 
collapse, depression.  2. Number one plus revolution.  3 growth, 
spurred and started by cutting the regulatory burden and the tax 
burden.   We can GROW out of the mess we are in, but it will take bold 
tax and regulatory burden reforms.


The actual labor component of most products is in the single digit % 
range. (5-9% of gross receipts)  Exceptions are food service, retail 
bakery and other labor intensive businesses.  Those typically run 30% 
to 40% of gross receipts.


Curt Raymond via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
August 8, 2016 at 5:38 PM
So to paraphrase:
RR and the Republican congress in '94 gave us 6 fold growth, Clinton 
and Carter couldn't possibly have had anything to do with it.
Obama clearly gave us only 2 fold growth although half of the last 16 
years had GW Bush and a Republican congress that clearly were doing 
something awesome but Obama is such a terrible guy that doesn't call 
his mother or wipe his behind properly that he limited our growth.

See on the other hand I think:
A. Government actually has very little to do with the economy
B. The economy is a big crazy thing that nobody really understands and 
when somebody says they do they're probably selling something.
C. The economy is NOT rational for the simple reason that people are 
not rational and will cut their own throat to make a buck.

-Curt
From: Curley McLain via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

It is not a fixed sum game.  I'll take a stab at explaining.

In 1980, when RR was elected, the GDP was about 1.6 trillion per
quarter.  The gooberment spent about 325 Billion of this amount.  (or
about 20%)

In 2000, when W was elected, The GDP was about 8.9 trillion per
quarter.  The gooberment spent 1.5 trillion of this. (or about 16%)
http://www.bea.gov/iTable/iTable.cfm?ReqID=9=1#reqid=9=3=1&903=10

So in the span of 20 years, the US economy grew roughly 6 fold.  This
growth was the result of the RR policies, and the "contract with
America" of 1994.

in 2016, the GDP is roughly 16.5 trillion per quarter.  The goobermnt
spent about 2.9 billion of this. (or about 17%)
http://www.bea.gov/iTable/iTable.cfm?ReqID=9=1#reqid=9=3=1&903=6
so, in the last 16 years, rather than growing 5 fold, the economy has
been choked, and grew only 2 fold.

Here are the questions for you to answer:  (Yep it is homework)
1.  What is the current national debt?
2.  What would the quarterly GDP be in 2016, if the GDP had 

Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I think your A answer is wrong, twenty-five years ago, the estimated cumulative 
tax on the average grocery store food item was about 75%, counting all the 
taxes starting with the property tax on the land the farmer used, to all the 
taxes at each stage of the chain that the crop went through, to the final sales 
tax paid at the register.  The taxation power alone is unbelievable, and the 
effect is immensely negative, on both prosperity and liberty.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On August 8, 2016 10:42:58 PM EDT, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>That is not at all what I said.  I gave you facts, and an opportunity
>to 
>answer your question, which I believed was a legitimate request.  You 
>don't have to seek answers, but I will not spoon feed you.
>
>A:  The gooberment interferes with all parts of the economy, and and
>has 
>a huge influence on the prosperity, or lack thereof, of the citizenry. 
>
>This is done by taxes, yes, but more so by regulatory burdens.  There
>is 
>no business, small or large that does not have a huge regulatory 
>burden.  Wanna make some dog treats?  You would not BELIEVE the 
>regulatory burden.  Angie wanna make and sell some cookies?  Same
>thing, 
>but actually, not as bad.  Wanna make and sell some gizmo for lanterns 
>or snowmobiles?  Endless regulatory burden, and IF you happen to be 
>lucky enough to MAKE some money, Uncle is there with his hand out. 
>Over 
>15% off the top for SS, then medicare etc., then state and fed income 
>tax, sales tax, tax and tax, bummercare tax, Workmen's comp, and 
>mountains of regulation.  That chokes more businesses than  anything 
>else.  You will be looking at 40% to 65% off the top of your gross
>sales 
>for taxes alone.
>
>B:  It is big, but it responds to certain things.  The Tax cuts done by
>
>JFK sparked huge growth.  When RR did the same thing, and even bigger, 
>longer period of growth occurred, lasting through most of the W period.
> 
>The economy does not care if the tax is cut by D or R.  It will grow.  
>The economy does not care if D or R raise taxes.  Either way, the 
>economy shrinks.
>
>C:  No comment
>
>D: There are only 2 or 3 ways out from where we are.  1.  Financial 
>collapse, depression.  2. Number one plus revolution.  3 growth,
>spurred 
>and started by cutting the regulatory burden and the tax burden.   We 
>can GROW out of the mess we are in, but it will take bold tax and 
>regulatory burden reforms.
>
>The actual labor component of most products is in the single digit % 
>range. (5-9% of gross receipts)  Exceptions are food service, retail 
>bakery and other labor intensive businesses.  Those typically run 30%
>to 
>40% of gross receipts.
>> Curt Raymond via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> August 8, 2016 at 5:38 PM
>> So to paraphrase:
>> RR and the Republican congress in '94 gave us 6 fold growth, Clinton 
>> and Carter couldn't possibly have had anything to do with it.
>> Obama clearly gave us only 2 fold growth although half of the last 16
>
>> years had GW Bush and a Republican congress that clearly were doing 
>> something awesome but Obama is such a terrible guy that doesn't call 
>> his mother or wipe his behind properly that he limited our growth.
>> See on the other hand I think:
>> A. Government actually has very little to do with the economy
>> B. The economy is a big crazy thing that nobody really understands
>and 
>> when somebody says they do they're probably selling something.
>> C. The economy is NOT rational for the simple reason that people are 
>> not rational and will cut their own throat to make a buck.
>> -Curt
>> From: Curley McLain via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 6:31 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs
>>
>> It is not a fixed sum game.  I'll take a stab at explaining.
>>
>> In 1980, when RR was elected, the GDP was about 1.6 trillion per
>> quarter.  The gooberment spent about 325 Billion of this amount.  (or
>> about 20%)
>>
>> In 2000, when W was elected, The GDP was about 8.9 trillion per
>> quarter.  The gooberment spent 1.5 trillion of this. (or about 16%)
>>
>http://www.bea.gov/iTable/iTable.cfm?ReqID=9=1#reqid=9=3=1&903=10
>>
>> So in the span of 20 years, the US economy grew roughly 6 fold.  This
>> growth was the result of the RR policies, and the "contract with
>> America" of 1994.
>>
>> in 2016, the GDP is roughly 16.5 trillion per quarter.  The

[MBZ] OT: political signs

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

>
> Anybody with a brain can see that Trump has NO plan, you can't lower
> taxes, pay off the deficit, put more money into defense and deport 11
> million people all while maintaining social security, medicare and "taking
> care of everybody". Thats the kind of plan somebody thats been bankrupt 4
> times would come up with.


Not deport.  Sell into slavery.  That oughta just about pay for it!  :-)

I hate to say it, but I'd prefer "clueless boob" to "evil plotting monster"
any day.  The system is designed to shield us from the former much better
than from the latter.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

That is not at all what I said.  I gave you facts, and an opportunity to 
answer your question, which I believed was a legitimate request.  You 
don't have to seek answers, but I will not spoon feed you.


A:  The gooberment interferes with all parts of the economy, and and has 
a huge influence on the prosperity, or lack thereof, of the citizenry.  
This is done by taxes, yes, but more so by regulatory burdens.  There is 
no business, small or large that does not have a huge regulatory 
burden.  Wanna make some dog treats?  You would not BELIEVE the 
regulatory burden.  Angie wanna make and sell some cookies?  Same thing, 
but actually, not as bad.  Wanna make and sell some gizmo for lanterns 
or snowmobiles?  Endless regulatory burden, and IF you happen to be 
lucky enough to MAKE some money, Uncle is there with his hand out.  Over 
15% off the top for SS, then medicare etc., then state and fed income 
tax, sales tax, tax and tax, bummercare tax, Workmen's comp, and 
mountains of regulation.  That chokes more businesses than  anything 
else.  You will be looking at 40% to 65% off the top of your gross sales 
for taxes alone.


B:  It is big, but it responds to certain things.  The Tax cuts done by 
JFK sparked huge growth.  When RR did the same thing, and even bigger, 
longer period of growth occurred, lasting through most of the W period.  
The economy does not care if the tax is cut by D or R.  It will grow.  
The economy does not care if D or R raise taxes.  Either way, the 
economy shrinks.


C:  No comment

D: There are only 2 or 3 ways out from where we are.  1.  Financial 
collapse, depression.  2. Number one plus revolution.  3 growth, spurred 
and started by cutting the regulatory burden and the tax burden.   We 
can GROW out of the mess we are in, but it will take bold tax and 
regulatory burden reforms.


The actual labor component of most products is in the single digit % 
range. (5-9% of gross receipts)  Exceptions are food service, retail 
bakery and other labor intensive businesses.  Those typically run 30% to 
40% of gross receipts.

Curt Raymond via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
August 8, 2016 at 5:38 PM
So to paraphrase:
RR and the Republican congress in '94 gave us 6 fold growth, Clinton 
and Carter couldn't possibly have had anything to do with it.
Obama clearly gave us only 2 fold growth although half of the last 16 
years had GW Bush and a Republican congress that clearly were doing 
something awesome but Obama is such a terrible guy that doesn't call 
his mother or wipe his behind properly that he limited our growth.

See on the other hand I think:
A. Government actually has very little to do with the economy
B. The economy is a big crazy thing that nobody really understands and 
when somebody says they do they're probably selling something.
C. The economy is NOT rational for the simple reason that people are 
not rational and will cut their own throat to make a buck.

-Curt
From: Curley McLain via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

It is not a fixed sum game.  I'll take a stab at explaining.

In 1980, when RR was elected, the GDP was about 1.6 trillion per
quarter.  The gooberment spent about 325 Billion of this amount.  (or
about 20%)

In 2000, when W was elected, The GDP was about 8.9 trillion per
quarter.  The gooberment spent 1.5 trillion of this. (or about 16%)
http://www.bea.gov/iTable/iTable.cfm?ReqID=9=1#reqid=9=3=1&903=10

So in the span of 20 years, the US economy grew roughly 6 fold.  This
growth was the result of the RR policies, and the "contract with
America" of 1994.

in 2016, the GDP is roughly 16.5 trillion per quarter.  The goobermnt
spent about 2.9 billion of this. (or about 17%)
http://www.bea.gov/iTable/iTable.cfm?ReqID=9=1#reqid=9=3=1&903=6
so, in the last 16 years, rather than growing 5 fold, the economy has
been choked, and grew only 2 fold.

Here are the questions for you to answer:  (Yep it is homework)
1.  What is the current national debt?
2.  What would the quarterly GDP be in 2016, if the GDP had grown at the
rate of 6 fold in 20 years?
3. What would the gooberment's share of that be, if we limited the
goobermnt to 17% of the GDP (per quarter)?
4.  How many years would it take to pay off the national debt if the
difference between the actual gooberment expenditures and the amount the
goobermnt would have taken in was applied to reduce the national debt?

5.  If that difference were applied to Social Insecurity, where the
average payment is now $1200/mo, (rather an applied to paying down the
national debt) what would the average monthly payment be now?

I await answers from the group.

As you research and determine answers to these 5 simple questions, it
will become obvious how much damage has been done in the last 8/16 years.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Trump will get us out!  Sure  If you believe that...  But make no mistake, 
I'm not voting for H->...
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On August 8, 2016 5:34:35 PM EDT, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>We invaded Iraq the day after I bought my '83 240D. I remember sitting
>in a hotel room watching TV and thinking "If we get out of this in a
>decade it'll be a miracle." 13 years later I'm thinking "If we get out
>in a decade it'd be a miracle"...
>-Curt
>
>

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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs, taking the measure

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I think it has both on the tape.  At least I hope so.

--FT


On 8/8/16 4:48 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote:

Floyd wrote:

Speaking of Johnsons, my Big Johnson tape measures I have been in
love with for years have reached the ends of their useful lives.
These are by far the best tapes I have ever used, and have a belt
clip that is very easy to use.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/121789676960

http://www.ebay.com/itm/121692869626

These things are great, I should look into importing them and
selling them on-line or somehow.

Hmm. Metric only?   Metric and Imperial?  In the picture, all I can
see is metric.

How does it lock?  I happen to not like the the style that is
always lock and a button is pushed to allow retracting.

Some other tape measures I have NOT used but have both
metric and Imperial

Starrett KTX12 - big name in precision measuring tools.






--R

Ah!  Your slip shows.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Again - right on! There might be a difference though, the R's spend OUR
money to increase the already rich, who then shovel it off the off-shore
hidden accounts (no, trickle down doesn't happen, never has). The D's say
they are spending OUR money to help the poor - keep them from stealing to
survive, etc., but really too must goes into their own pockets. Either way,
we lose, the politicians win.

On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 5:47 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I just had kinda a sideways thought since this is not the first time
> somebody on the list has used the "its not a zero sum game" argument.
> How come when a Republican wants to cut taxes and spend money its "not a
> zero sum game" but when a Democrat wants to spend money they're a "tax and
> spend liberal"? If government spending makes more money isn't it always
> good?
> Both parties spend more money, they say they don't but their actions
> refute that.
> -Curt
>
>
>
> --
>
OK Don

*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Exactly!!!

On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 5:38 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> So to paraphrase:
> RR and the Republican congress in '94 gave us 6 fold growth, Clinton and
> Carter couldn't possibly have had anything to do with it.
> Obama clearly gave us only 2 fold growth although half of the last 16
> years had GW Bush and a Republican congress that clearly were doing
> something awesome but Obama is such a terrible guy that doesn't call his
> mother or wipe his behind properly that he limited our growth.
> See on the other hand I think:
> A. Government actually has very little to do with the economy
> B. The economy is a big crazy thing that nobody really understands and
> when somebody says they do they're probably selling something.
> C. The economy is NOT rational for the simple reason that people are not
> rational and will cut their own throat to make a buck.
> -Curt
>
>
>


-- 
OK Don

*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Curt, please stop.  You're gonna make our heads EXPLODE.

On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 6:47 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I just had kinda a sideways thought since this is not the first time
> somebody on the list has used the "its not a zero sum game" argument.
> How come when a Republican wants to cut taxes and spend money its "not a
> zero sum game" but when a Democrat wants to spend money they're a "tax and
> spend liberal"? If government spending makes more money isn't it always
> good?
> Both parties spend more money, they say they don't but their actions
> refute that.
> -Curt
>
>   From: Curley McLain via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
>  Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 6:31 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs
>
> It is not a fixed sum game.  I'll take a stab at explaining.
>
> In 1980, when RR was elected, the GDP was about 1.6 trillion per
> quarter.  The gooberment spent about 325 Billion of this amount.  (or
> about 20%)
>
> In 2000, when W was elected, The GDP was about 8.9 trillion per
> quarter.  The gooberment spent 1.5 trillion of this. (or about 16%)
> http://www.bea.gov/iTable/iTable.cfm?ReqID=9=1#
> reqid=9=3=1&903=10
>
> So in the span of 20 years, the US economy grew roughly 6 fold.  This
> growth was the result of the RR policies, and the "contract with
> America" of 1994.
>
> in 2016, the GDP is roughly 16.5 trillion per quarter.  The goobermnt
> spent about 2.9 billion of this. (or about 17%)
> http://www.bea.gov/iTable/iTable.cfm?ReqID=9=1#
> reqid=9=3=1&903=6
> so, in the last 16 years, rather than growing 5 fold, the economy has
> been choked, and grew only 2 fold.
>
> Here are the questions for you to answer:  (Yep it is homework)
> 1.  What is the current national debt?
> 2.  What would the quarterly GDP be in 2016, if the GDP had grown at the
> rate of 6 fold in 20 years?
> 3. What would the gooberment's share of that be, if we limited the
> goobermnt to 17% of the GDP (per quarter)?
> 4.  How many years would it take to pay off the national debt if the
> difference between the actual gooberment expenditures and the amount the
> goobermnt would have taken in was applied to reduce the national debt?
>
> 5.  If that difference were applied to Social Insecurity, where the
> average payment is now $1200/mo, (rather an applied to paying down the
> national debt) what would the average monthly payment be now?
>
> I await answers from the group.
>
> As you research and determine answers to these 5 simple questions, it
> will become obvious how much damage has been done in the last 8/16 years.
>
> > Curt Raymond via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > August 8, 2016 at 4:38 PM
> > So Roger, show me a plan from Trump that makes sense. How is it
> > possible to lower taxes, spend more AND balance the budget. Maybe I'm
> > not smart enough to understand that.
> > -Curt
> >
> > From: rogerhga--- via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > To: "List, Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > Cc: roger...@comcast.net
> > Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 5:07 PM
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs
> >
> > Curt, maybe you and Andrew can form a club, maybe called the Rose
> > Colored Glasses club. And I'm glad to know of your father's low
> > intelligence and your own personal massive intellect. Next time I have
> > a tough decision, I'll consult you and then do just the opposite :-))
> > I only hope your sick on election day and can't vote. Nothing serious,
> > maybe just diarrhea or some such to keep you home.
> > Best Wishes,
> > Roger
> > Roger Hale
> > Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
> > Monroe, Ga.
> > 770-267-0850
> > www.dinnerwareclassics.com
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I just had kinda a sideways thought since this is not the first time somebody 
on the list has used the "its not a zero sum game" argument.
How come when a Republican wants to cut taxes and spend money its "not a zero 
sum game" but when a Democrat wants to spend money they're a "tax and spend 
liberal"? If government spending makes more money isn't it always good?
Both parties spend more money, they say they don't but their actions refute 
that.
-Curt

  From: Curley McLain via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 6:31 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs
   
It is not a fixed sum game.  I'll take a stab at explaining.

In 1980, when RR was elected, the GDP was about 1.6 trillion per 
quarter.  The gooberment spent about 325 Billion of this amount.  (or 
about 20%)

In 2000, when W was elected, The GDP was about 8.9 trillion per 
quarter.  The gooberment spent 1.5 trillion of this. (or about 16%)
http://www.bea.gov/iTable/iTable.cfm?ReqID=9=1#reqid=9=3=1&903=10

So in the span of 20 years, the US economy grew roughly 6 fold.  This 
growth was the result of the RR policies, and the "contract with 
America" of 1994.

in 2016, the GDP is roughly 16.5 trillion per quarter.  The goobermnt 
spent about 2.9 billion of this. (or about 17%)
http://www.bea.gov/iTable/iTable.cfm?ReqID=9=1#reqid=9=3=1&903=6
so, in the last 16 years, rather than growing 5 fold, the economy has 
been choked, and grew only 2 fold.

Here are the questions for you to answer:  (Yep it is homework)
1.  What is the current national debt?
2.  What would the quarterly GDP be in 2016, if the GDP had grown at the 
rate of 6 fold in 20 years?
3. What would the gooberment's share of that be, if we limited the 
goobermnt to 17% of the GDP (per quarter)?
4.  How many years would it take to pay off the national debt if the 
difference between the actual gooberment expenditures and the amount the 
goobermnt would have taken in was applied to reduce the national debt?

5.  If that difference were applied to Social Insecurity, where the 
average payment is now $1200/mo, (rather an applied to paying down the 
national debt) what would the average monthly payment be now?

I await answers from the group.

As you research and determine answers to these 5 simple questions, it 
will become obvious how much damage has been done in the last 8/16 years.

> Curt Raymond via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> August 8, 2016 at 4:38 PM
> So Roger, show me a plan from Trump that makes sense. How is it 
> possible to lower taxes, spend more AND balance the budget. Maybe I'm 
> not smart enough to understand that.
> -Curt
>
> From: rogerhga--- via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: "List, Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Cc: roger...@comcast.net
> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 5:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs
>
> Curt, maybe you and Andrew can form a club, maybe called the Rose 
> Colored Glasses club. And I'm glad to know of your father's low 
> intelligence and your own personal massive intellect. Next time I have 
> a tough decision, I'll consult you and then do just the opposite :-)) 
> I only hope your sick on election day and can't vote. Nothing serious, 
> maybe just diarrhea or some such to keep you home.
> Best Wishes,
> Roger
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> Curt, maybe you and Andrew can form a club, maybe called the Rose 
> Colored Glasses club. And I'm glad to know of your father's low 
> intelligence and your own personal massive intellect. Next time I have 
> a tough decision, I'll consult you and then do just the opposite :-)) 
> I only hope your sick on election day and can't vote. Nothing serious, 
> maybe just diarrhea or some such to keep you home.
> Best Wishes,
> Roger
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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

So to paraphrase:
RR and the Republican congress in '94 gave us 6 fold growth, Clinton and Carter 
couldn't possibly have had anything to do with it.
Obama clearly gave us only 2 fold growth although half of the last 16 years had 
GW Bush and a Republican congress that clearly were doing something awesome but 
Obama is such a terrible guy that doesn't call his mother or wipe his behind 
properly that he limited our growth.
See on the other hand I think: 
A. Government actually has very little to do with the economy
B. The economy is a big crazy thing that nobody really understands and when 
somebody says they do they're probably selling something.
C. The economy is NOT rational for the simple reason that people are not 
rational and will cut their own throat to make a buck.
-Curt
  From: Curley McLain via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
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Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 6:31 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs
   
It is not a fixed sum game.  I'll take a stab at explaining.

In 1980, when RR was elected, the GDP was about 1.6 trillion per 
quarter.  The gooberment spent about 325 Billion of this amount.  (or 
about 20%)

In 2000, when W was elected, The GDP was about 8.9 trillion per 
quarter.  The gooberment spent 1.5 trillion of this. (or about 16%)
http://www.bea.gov/iTable/iTable.cfm?ReqID=9=1#reqid=9=3=1&903=10

So in the span of 20 years, the US economy grew roughly 6 fold.  This 
growth was the result of the RR policies, and the "contract with 
America" of 1994.

in 2016, the GDP is roughly 16.5 trillion per quarter.  The goobermnt 
spent about 2.9 billion of this. (or about 17%)
http://www.bea.gov/iTable/iTable.cfm?ReqID=9=1#reqid=9=3=1&903=6
so, in the last 16 years, rather than growing 5 fold, the economy has 
been choked, and grew only 2 fold.

Here are the questions for you to answer:  (Yep it is homework)
1.  What is the current national debt?
2.  What would the quarterly GDP be in 2016, if the GDP had grown at the 
rate of 6 fold in 20 years?
3. What would the gooberment's share of that be, if we limited the 
goobermnt to 17% of the GDP (per quarter)?
4.  How many years would it take to pay off the national debt if the 
difference between the actual gooberment expenditures and the amount the 
goobermnt would have taken in was applied to reduce the national debt?

5.  If that difference were applied to Social Insecurity, where the 
average payment is now $1200/mo, (rather an applied to paying down the 
national debt) what would the average monthly payment be now?

I await answers from the group.

As you research and determine answers to these 5 simple questions, it 
will become obvious how much damage has been done in the last 8/16 years.

> Curt Raymond via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> August 8, 2016 at 4:38 PM
> So Roger, show me a plan from Trump that makes sense. How is it 
> possible to lower taxes, spend more AND balance the budget. Maybe I'm 
> not smart enough to understand that.
> -Curt
>
> From: rogerhga--- via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: "List, Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Cc: roger...@comcast.net
> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 5:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs
>
> Curt, maybe you and Andrew can form a club, maybe called the Rose 
> Colored Glasses club. And I'm glad to know of your father's low 
> intelligence and your own personal massive intellect. Next time I have 
> a tough decision, I'll consult you and then do just the opposite :-)) 
> I only hope your sick on election day and can't vote. Nothing serious, 
> maybe just diarrhea or some such to keep you home.
> Best Wishes,
> Roger
> Roger Hale
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> Curt, maybe you and Andrew can form a club, maybe called the Rose 
> Colored Glasses club. And I'm glad to know of your father's low 
> intelligence and your own personal massive intellect. Next time I have 
> a tough decision, I'll consult you and then do just the opposite :-)) 
> I only hope yo

Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

It is not a fixed sum game.   I'll take a stab at explaining.

In 1980, when RR was elected, the GDP was about 1.6 trillion per 
quarter.  The gooberment spent about 325 Billion of this amount.  (or 
about 20%)


In 2000, when W was elected, The GDP was about 8.9 trillion per 
quarter.  The gooberment spent 1.5 trillion of this. (or about 16%)

http://www.bea.gov/iTable/iTable.cfm?ReqID=9=1#reqid=9=3=1&903=10

So in the span of 20 years, the US economy grew roughly 6 fold.  This 
growth was the result of the RR policies, and the "contract with 
America" of 1994.


in 2016, the GDP is roughly 16.5 trillion per quarter.  The goobermnt 
spent about 2.9 billion of this. (or about 17%)

http://www.bea.gov/iTable/iTable.cfm?ReqID=9=1#reqid=9=3=1&903=6
so, in the last 16 years, rather than growing 5 fold, the economy has 
been choked, and grew only 2 fold.


Here are the questions for you to answer:  (Yep it is homework)
1.  What is the current national debt?
2.  What would the quarterly GDP be in 2016, if the GDP had grown at the 
rate of 6 fold in 20 years?
3. What would the gooberment's share of that be, if we limited the 
goobermnt to 17% of the GDP (per quarter)?
4.  How many years would it take to pay off the national debt if the 
difference between the actual gooberment expenditures and the amount the 
goobermnt would have taken in was applied to reduce the national debt?


5.  If that difference were applied to Social Insecurity, where the 
average payment is now $1200/mo, (rather an applied to paying down the 
national debt) what would the average monthly payment be now?


I await answers from the group.

As you research and determine answers to these 5 simple questions, it 
will become obvious how much damage has been done in the last 8/16 years.



Curt Raymond via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
August 8, 2016 at 4:38 PM
So Roger, show me a plan from Trump that makes sense. How is it 
possible to lower taxes, spend more AND balance the budget. Maybe I'm 
not smart enough to understand that.

-Curt

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To: "List, Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: roger...@comcast.net
Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

Curt, maybe you and Andrew can form a club, maybe called the Rose 
Colored Glasses club. And I'm glad to know of your father's low 
intelligence and your own personal massive intellect. Next time I have 
a tough decision, I'll consult you and then do just the opposite :-)) 
I only hope your sick on election day and can't vote. Nothing serious, 
maybe just diarrhea or some such to keep you home.

Best Wishes,
Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com


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August 8, 2016 at 4:07 PM
Curt, maybe you and Andrew can form a club, maybe called the Rose 
Colored Glasses club. And I'm glad to know of your father's low 
intelligence and your own personal massive intellect. Next time I have 
a tough decision, I'll consult you and then do just the opposite :-)) 
I only hope your sick on election day and can't vote. Nothing serious, 
maybe just diarrhea or some such to keep you home.

Best Wishes,
Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

BTW did you notice I'm not a Hillary supporter?
Something I find interesting in some folks who support either Hillary or Trump 
is that they only listen to part of every sentence. Once they hear you're not 
supporting their candidate they stop listening and start formulating their next 
sentence. Politics has become talking, not discussion. For discussion you have 
to listen...
-Curt

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Cc: roger...@comcast.net
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 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs
   
Curt, maybe you and Andrew can form a club, maybe called the Rose Colored 
Glasses club. And I'm glad to know of your father's low intelligence and your 
own personal massive intellect. Next time I have a tough decision, I'll consult 
you and then do just the opposite :-)) I only hope your sick on election day 
and can't vote. Nothing serious, maybe just diarrhea or some such to keep you 
home. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 


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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

So Roger, show me a plan from Trump that makes sense. How is it possible to 
lower taxes, spend more AND balance the budget. Maybe I'm not smart enough to 
understand that.
-Curt

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 To: "List, Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
Cc: roger...@comcast.net
 Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 5:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs
   
Curt, maybe you and Andrew can form a club, maybe called the Rose Colored 
Glasses club. And I'm glad to know of your father's low intelligence and your 
own personal massive intellect. Next time I have a tough decision, I'll consult 
you and then do just the opposite :-)) I only hope your sick on election day 
and can't vote. Nothing serious, maybe just diarrhea or some such to keep you 
home. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 


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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

We invaded Iraq the day after I bought my '83 240D. I remember sitting in a 
hotel room watching TV and thinking "If we get out of this in a decade it'll be 
a miracle." 13 years later I'm thinking "If we get out in a decade it'd be a 
miracle"...
-Curt

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 To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
 Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 3:43 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs
   

> On August 8, 2016 at 1:47 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
> If we'd had a D congress in 2003 we might not have gone into Iraq. Its when
> one party is in control that things go badly...

Probably would have anyway. It had 40% support from Dems and 97% support from
Republicans. 
That says to me a House of 80% Dems and 20% Rs would have been pretty evenly
split. Even I thought we needed to finish what GHWB left undone there. But
mostly, we managed to prove that not invading Iraq was one of the smarter things
GHWB did. (and not telling Saddam "if you mess with Kuwait, we'll kick your ass
into the Dark Ages" in clear and convincing language was still one of the dumber
things from the GHWB administration)
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/107-2002/h455


   
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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Now now, we are ALL going to have diarrhea before this thing is over, I
fear

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 5:07 PM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Curt, maybe you and Andrew can form a club, maybe called the Rose Colored
> Glasses club. And I'm glad to know of your father's low intelligence and
> your own personal massive intellect. Next time I have a tough decision,
> I'll consult you and then do just the opposite :-)) I only hope your sick
> on election day and can't vote. Nothing serious, maybe just diarrhea or
> some such to keep you home.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[rogerhga--- via Mercedes]

Curt, maybe you and Andrew can form a club, maybe called the Rose Colored 
Glasses club. And I'm glad to know of your father's low intelligence and your 
own personal massive intellect. Next time I have a tough decision, I'll consult 
you and then do just the opposite :-)) I only hope your sick on election day 
and can't vote. Nothing serious, maybe just diarrhea or some such to keep you 
home. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 


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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs, taking the measure

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Floyd wrote:
> 
> Speaking of Johnsons, my Big Johnson tape measures I have been in
> love with for years have reached the ends of their useful lives.

> These are by far the best tapes I have ever used, and have a belt
> clip that is very easy to use.
> 
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/121789676960
> 
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/121692869626
> 
> These things are great, I should look into importing them and
> selling them on-line or somehow.

Hmm. Metric only?   Metric and Imperial?  In the picture, all I can
see is metric.

How does it lock?  I happen to not like the the style that is
always lock and a button is pushed to allow retracting. 

Some other tape measures I have NOT used but have both
metric and Imperial

Starrett KTX12 - big name in precision measuring tools.





> --R

Ah!  Your slip shows. 

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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Might have been blackmailed or they threatened his family

On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 3:52 PM, WILTON via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:

> Probably?
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
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> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2016 1:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs
>
>
> Anyone who voluntarily returns to Iran is probably nuts.
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 1:55 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> Meanwhile, we have the first confirmed death directly tied to Hillary's
>>> "What difference does it make" home-brew email server  I guess wiping
>>> it with a cloth and lying through her teeth were not enough to save one
>>> of
>>> the little people.  I'm wondering if his family (in Iran) would be able
>>> to
>>> bring a civil suit against Hillary for the death?
>>>
>>> http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/cotton-clinton-discussed-
>>> executed-iranian-scientist-on-email/article/2598807
>>>
>>>
>>> Neither one is "qualified" for the job, we shall find out in November
>>> which
>>> one prevails...
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Probably?

Wilton

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Anyone who voluntarily returns to Iran is probably nuts.

On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 1:55 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Meanwhile, we have the first confirmed death directly tied to Hillary's
"What difference does it make" home-brew email server  I guess wiping
it with a cloth and lying through her teeth were not enough to save one 
of
the little people.  I'm wondering if his family (in Iran) would be able 
to

bring a civil suit against Hillary for the death?

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/cotton-clinton-discussed-
executed-iranian-scientist-on-email/article/2598807


Neither one is "qualified" for the job, we shall find out in November 
which

one prevails...

-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Nobody else does, either - loose canon.

Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs


I'm making no declarations, I didn't think he'd get this far, I have no 
idea what he's going to do.

-Curt

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Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

So who else thinks he will renounce his candidacy and withdraw from the 
race by the end of August?
On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 1:51 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


The way Trump is imploding lately I'm starting to give credence to the 
idea. He's stopped announcing his poll numbers and started crowing about 
how the election is rigged...


-Curt

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Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

For the conspiracy crowd….

Trump is being bought by H->. She needed a complete disaster to be able to 
be seen as a viable candidate. With Trump, the road to election is paved. 
He was not ever a real GOP sort. Trump cozied up to H-> and the perv for 
years. There must be a deal they struck to pay him to run and the DNC is 
playing along. See how they screwed over Bernie? The underlings went 
around screwing over the other GOP dudes so that Trump would be the only 
one left at the end of the day


clay

On Aug 8, 2016, at 6:54 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Trump seems to have gone out of his way to make people hate him. 
Somewhere along the line he forgot or didn't know that half the people in 
the country aren't like him and he can't win the presidency with just the 
white bigot vote.
Gary Johnson and Bill Weld are doing better than any third party 
candidate in a century. I'm hopeful.

-Curt

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To: "List, Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: roger...@comcast.net
Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

My wife reads all the hearing testimony and the released emails. From 
what she passes on to me, I can only surmise that the people who are 
still supporting Hillary have their heads so far up their butts that they 
are looking out through their ears. If the establishment wants that POS 
Paul Ryan more than Trump, then the establishment republicans need to be 
dumped. Ryan is a POS in the mold of Boehner. Hillary is just a plain 
liar and a crook. If women want a female president, then at least pick a 
good female. The polls again are like statistics, you choose the sample 
and you get the results you pay for, but it doesn't mean they are 
accurate. Trump needs to keep speaking plain talk, that's what energizes 
his base, not kowtowing to advisers and media types.

Best Wishes,
Roger
Roger Hale
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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[WILTON via Mercedes]

That, too.

Wilton

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Cc: "Curt Raymond" <curtlud...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2016 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs



BTW I didn't say he was a racist, I said he's a bigot, big difference.
-Curt

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To: "List, Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: roger...@comcast.net
Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

Curt, I hate to break it to you, but all white people aren't bigots and 
racists. I know that line fits the liberal media mold and allows so many 
to "play the race card". I vote based upon what I believe, has nothing to 
do with racism or bigotry, and I hope you do the same. Trump is merely 
stating that the average taxpayer, not having a job, not having good 
healthcare, etc., because of the state of affairs in the current USA, is 
pissed off. If you have a good job, live in a nice neighborhood, etc, then 
you probably aren't pissed off, but a lot of people don't have thata 
lot of people of multiple colors I might add.

Best Wishes,
Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com


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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[WILTON via Mercedes]

'Crazy as Hell.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
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Cc: "Curt Raymond" <curtlud...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2016 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs


Anybody with a brain can see that Trump has NO plan, you can't lower 
taxes, pay off the deficit, put more money into defense and deport 11 
million people all while maintaining social security, medicare and "taking 
care of everybody". Thats the kind of plan somebody thats been bankrupt 4 
times would come up with.


Trump hasn't got one idea that could actually be accomplished, all he's 
doing is playing off the fears of the mindless many.

-Curt

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To: "List, Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: roger...@comcast.net
Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

Curt, I hate to break it to you, but all white people aren't bigots and 
racists. I know that line fits the liberal media mold and allows so many 
to "play the race card". I vote based upon what I believe, has nothing to 
do with racism or bigotry, and I hope you do the same. Trump is merely 
stating that the average taxpayer, not having a job, not having good 
healthcare, etc., because of the state of affairs in the current USA, is 
pissed off. If you have a good job, live in a nice neighborhood, etc, then 
you probably aren't pissed off, but a lot of people don't have thata 
lot of people of multiple colors I might add.

Best Wishes,
Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com


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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On August 8, 2016 at 1:47 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> If we'd had a D congress in 2003 we might not have gone into Iraq. Its when
> one party is in control that things go badly...

Probably would have anyway. It had 40% support from Dems and 97% support from
Republicans. 
That says to me a House of 80% Dems and 20% Rs would have been pretty evenly
split. Even I thought we needed to finish what GHWB left undone there. But
mostly, we managed to prove that not invading Iraq was one of the smarter things
GHWB did. (and not telling Saddam "if you mess with Kuwait, we'll kick your ass
into the Dark Ages" in clear and convincing language was still one of the dumber
things from the GHWB administration)
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/107-2002/h455

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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Here is photographic evidence that the hag can't even go up a few 
stairs.  I recently saw a video on TV propaganda where if you watched 
the had and ignored the wwords, it was clear to see that hag could 
barely negotiate walking down 3 or 4 steps on stairs from a platform.


http://www.wnd.com/2016/08/unstable-hillary-gets-help-climbing-stairs/

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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Max wrote:
> Neither one is "qualified" for the job, we shall find out in November which
> one prevails...

"Qualified"?
That's the problem.  WE have been duped to think that "qualified" is needed.
I challenge that argument
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

clay wrote:
> For the conspiracy crowd….

Yep - as you said.  We are being played.
Cue transition muzak back to okiebenz... even though I like the comments here.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

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Curt wrote:
> Grid-lock is actually what we need, the government that governs best governs 
> least.

I like that.  Nice plan to achieve that - let's do that.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Curt wrote:
> Anybody with a brain can see that Trump has NO plan...

Trump is a person that runs a business.  Business people do NOT reveal
their plans - that is the nature of business.
...at least that is what I understand...  Ask Roger - he has a
business - Dinnerware Classics.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Anyone who voluntarily returns to Iran is probably nuts.

On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 1:55 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Meanwhile, we have the first confirmed death directly tied to Hillary's
> "What difference does it make" home-brew email server  I guess wiping
> it with a cloth and lying through her teeth were not enough to save one of
> the little people.  I'm wondering if his family (in Iran) would be able to
> bring a civil suit against Hillary for the death?
>
> http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/cotton-clinton-discussed-
> executed-iranian-scientist-on-email/article/2598807
>
>
> Neither one is "qualified" for the job, we shall find out in November which
> one prevails...
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Meanwhile, we have the first confirmed death directly tied to Hillary's
"What difference does it make" home-brew email server  I guess wiping
it with a cloth and lying through her teeth were not enough to save one of
the little people.  I'm wondering if his family (in Iran) would be able to
bring a civil suit against Hillary for the death?

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/cotton-clinton-discussed-executed-iranian-scientist-on-email/article/2598807


Neither one is "qualified" for the job, we shall find out in November which
one prevails...

-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I'm making no declarations, I didn't think he'd get this far, I have no idea 
what he's going to do.
-Curt

  From: Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com>
 To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
 Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 1:53 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs
   
So who else thinks he will renounce his candidacy and withdraw from the race by 
the end of August?
On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 1:51 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

The way Trump is imploding lately I'm starting to give credence to the idea. 
He's stopped announcing his poll numbers and started crowing about how the 
election is rigged...

-Curt

      From: clay <redgh...@comcast.net>
 To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 1:49 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

For the conspiracy crowd….

Trump  is being bought by H->.  She needed a complete disaster to be able to be 
seen as a viable candidate.  With Trump, the road to election is paved.  He was 
not ever a real GOP sort.  Trump cozied up to H-> and the perv for years.  
There must be a deal they struck to pay him to run and the DNC is playing 
along.  See how they screwed over Bernie?  The underlings went around screwing 
over the other GOP dudes so that Trump would be the only one left at the end of 
the day

clay

> On Aug 8, 2016, at 6:54 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> wrote:
>
> Trump seems to have gone out of his way to make people hate him. Somewhere 
> along the line he forgot or didn't know that half the people in the country 
> aren't like him and he can't win the presidency with just the white bigot 
> vote.
> Gary Johnson and Bill Weld are doing better than any third party candidate in 
> a century. I'm hopeful.
> -Curt
>
>      From: rogerhga--- via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: "List, Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Cc: roger...@comcast.net
> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 9:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs
>
> My wife reads all the hearing testimony and the released emails. From what 
> she passes on to me, I can only surmise that the people who are still 
> supporting Hillary have their heads so far up their butts that they are 
> looking out through their ears. If the establishment wants that POS Paul Ryan 
> more than Trump, then the establishment republicans need to be dumped. Ryan 
> is a POS in the mold of Boehner. Hillary is just a plain liar and a crook. If 
> women want a female president, then at least pick a good female. The polls 
> again are like statistics, you choose the sample and you get the results you 
> pay for, but it doesn't mean they are accurate. Trump needs to keep speaking 
> plain talk, that's what energizes his base, not kowtowing to advisers and 
> media types.
> Best Wishes,
> Roger
> Roger Hale
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
> Monroe, Ga.
> 770-267-0850
> www.dinnerwareclassics.com
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

So who else thinks he will renounce his candidacy and withdraw from the
race by the end of August?

On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 1:51 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The way Trump is imploding lately I'm starting to give credence to the
> idea. He's stopped announcing his poll numbers and started crowing about
> how the election is rigged...
>
> -Curt
>
>   From: clay <redgh...@comcast.net>
>  To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>  Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 1:49 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs
>
> For the conspiracy crowd….
>
> Trump  is being bought by H->.  She needed a complete disaster to be able
> to be seen as a viable candidate.  With Trump, the road to election is
> paved.  He was not ever a real GOP sort.  Trump cozied up to H-> and the
> perv for years.  There must be a deal they struck to pay him to run and the
> DNC is playing along.  See how they screwed over Bernie?  The underlings
> went around screwing over the other GOP dudes so that Trump would be the
> only one left at the end of the day
>
> clay
>
> > On Aug 8, 2016, at 6:54 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Trump seems to have gone out of his way to make people hate him.
> Somewhere along the line he forgot or didn't know that half the people in
> the country aren't like him and he can't win the presidency with just the
> white bigot vote.
> > Gary Johnson and Bill Weld are doing better than any third party
> candidate in a century. I'm hopeful.
> > -Curt
> >
> >  From: rogerhga--- via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > To: "List, Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > Cc: roger...@comcast.net
> > Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 9:00 AM
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs
> >
> > My wife reads all the hearing testimony and the released emails. From
> what she passes on to me, I can only surmise that the people who are still
> supporting Hillary have their heads so far up their butts that they are
> looking out through their ears. If the establishment wants that POS Paul
> Ryan more than Trump, then the establishment republicans need to be dumped.
> Ryan is a POS in the mold of Boehner. Hillary is just a plain liar and a
> crook. If women want a female president, then at least pick a good female.
> The polls again are like statistics, you choose the sample and you get the
> results you pay for, but it doesn't mean they are accurate. Trump needs to
> keep speaking plain talk, that's what energizes his base, not kowtowing to
> advisers and media types.
> > Best Wishes,
> > Roger
> > Roger Hale
> > Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
> > Monroe, Ga.
> > 770-267-0850
> > www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

The way Trump is imploding lately I'm starting to give credence to the idea. 
He's stopped announcing his poll numbers and started crowing about how the 
election is rigged...

-Curt

  From: clay <redgh...@comcast.net>
 To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
 Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 1:49 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs
   
For the conspiracy crowd….

Trump  is being bought by H->.  She needed a complete disaster to be able to be 
seen as a viable candidate.  With Trump, the road to election is paved.  He was 
not ever a real GOP sort.  Trump cozied up to H-> and the perv for years.  
There must be a deal they struck to pay him to run and the DNC is playing 
along.  See how they screwed over Bernie?  The underlings went around screwing 
over the other GOP dudes so that Trump would be the only one left at the end of 
the day

clay

> On Aug 8, 2016, at 6:54 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Trump seems to have gone out of his way to make people hate him. Somewhere 
> along the line he forgot or didn't know that half the people in the country 
> aren't like him and he can't win the presidency with just the white bigot 
> vote.
> Gary Johnson and Bill Weld are doing better than any third party candidate in 
> a century. I'm hopeful.
> -Curt
> 
>      From: rogerhga--- via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: "List, Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> Cc: roger...@comcast.net
> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 9:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs
> 
> My wife reads all the hearing testimony and the released emails. From what 
> she passes on to me, I can only surmise that the people who are still 
> supporting Hillary have their heads so far up their butts that they are 
> looking out through their ears. If the establishment wants that POS Paul Ryan 
> more than Trump, then the establishment republicans need to be dumped. Ryan 
> is a POS in the mold of Boehner. Hillary is just a plain liar and a crook. If 
> women want a female president, then at least pick a good female. The polls 
> again are like statistics, you choose the sample and you get the results you 
> pay for, but it doesn't mean they are accurate. Trump needs to keep speaking 
> plain talk, that's what energizes his base, not kowtowing to advisers and 
> media types. 
> Best Wishes, 
> Roger 
> Roger Hale 
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
> Monroe, Ga. 
> 770-267-0850 
> www.dinnerwareclassics.com 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs, taking the measure

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Back when American tool companies made stuff in USA, I always preferred Lufkin
tapes to Stanley Powerlock. The rocker switch lock on the Lufkin didn't make the
blade creep back 1/8", and the Lufkin had a rubber bumper pad where the blade
hook hit upon retracting. 
The ones I bought in the 1980s looked like this:
http://www.lufkintool.com/tapes/tape-measures/lufkin-hv420-1-x-20-hi-viz-r-orange-power-return-tape-measure.html

Lufkin now has 1 3/16" tapes, stand erect to 10' instead of 7', but I can see
where that English tape has some advantages too:
http://www.lufkintool.com/tapes/tape-measures/lufkin-xl8525d-1-3-16-x-25-power-return-tape-measure-engineers-orange-case-cushion-grip.html


> On August 8, 2016 at 12:02 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Speaking of Johnsons, my Big Johnson tape measures I have been in love 
> with for years have reached the ends of their useful lives.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[clay via Mercedes]

For the conspiracy crowd….

Trump  is being bought by H->.  She needed a complete disaster to be able to be 
seen as a viable candidate.  With Trump, the road to election is paved.  He was 
not ever a real GOP sort.  Trump cozied up to H-> and the perv for years.  
There must be a deal they struck to pay him to run and the DNC is playing 
along.  See how they screwed over Bernie?  The underlings went around screwing 
over the other GOP dudes so that Trump would be the only one left at the end of 
the day

clay

> On Aug 8, 2016, at 6:54 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Trump seems to have gone out of his way to make people hate him. Somewhere 
> along the line he forgot or didn't know that half the people in the country 
> aren't like him and he can't win the presidency with just the white bigot 
> vote.
> Gary Johnson and Bill Weld are doing better than any third party candidate in 
> a century. I'm hopeful.
> -Curt
> 
>  From: rogerhga--- via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: "List, Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> Cc: roger...@comcast.net
> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 9:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs
> 
> My wife reads all the hearing testimony and the released emails. From what 
> she passes on to me, I can only surmise that the people who are still 
> supporting Hillary have their heads so far up their butts that they are 
> looking out through their ears. If the establishment wants that POS Paul Ryan 
> more than Trump, then the establishment republicans need to be dumped. Ryan 
> is a POS in the mold of Boehner. Hillary is just a plain liar and a crook. If 
> women want a female president, then at least pick a good female. The polls 
> again are like statistics, you choose the sample and you get the results you 
> pay for, but it doesn't mean they are accurate. Trump needs to keep speaking 
> plain talk, that's what energizes his base, not kowtowing to advisers and 
> media types. 
> Best Wishes, 
> Roger 
> Roger Hale 
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
> Monroe, Ga. 
> 770-267-0850 
> www.dinnerwareclassics.com 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I think Hillary has a plan where the numbers have a reasonable chance to add 
up, its pie in the sky of course but rooted in reality. Trump basically has no 
plan since three of our economies couldn't make it work.
The thing the democrats seem to see better than the Republicans is that you 
can't "start over" because you can't STOP. This is not auto mechanics, its 
heart surgery, you have to do it while the patient is alive. Thats my argument 
against the repeated "repeal Obamacare" votes, other than wasting time you 
can't repeal and replace because you need to structure first. I would accept 
"incremental modification" which is the only way it could possibly have a hope 
of working but of course that doesn't work in sound bites...
Regulation and stupid tax policy comes from both sides. When you get right down 
to it the two parties (the parties mind you, ignoring the candidates) differ 
only in what exactly they want to screw up...
Grid-lock is actually what we need, the government that governs best governs 
least. If we'd had an R congress in 2008 we wouldn't have Obamacare. If we'd 
had a D congress in 2003 we might not have gone into Iraq. Its when one party 
is in control that things go badly...
-Curt

  From: Meade Dillon <dillonm...@gmail.com>
 To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
 Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 1:40 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs
   
Curt, do you think Hillary's plan (more of Obama's plan) will somehow work this 
time, because   Yes Trump is playing on fear, which is very real for a big 
part of the population.  Trump didn't create that fear, but he certainly has 
figured out how to tap into it.  Hillary is attempting to tap into fear as 
well, fear of Trump.

Trump (as a businessman) should understand (I'm hoping) that the real key is to 
get the economy fired up and rolling again, which will generate tax revenues to 
fund his plan (which we all know is typical campaign pie-in-the-sky, as general 
and attractive-sounding as possible to his base).  Regulation and really stupid 
tax policy, which has been building for decades, are finally about to choke the 
country into bankruptcy.  Medicare and SS cannot be saved without getting the 
economy going, and I'll pick anyone over Hillary to see if they can do better 
than just picking up where Obama left off.  Remember that the house will 
probably stay Republican, so I think we'll just get continued grid-lock from 
WDC under Hillary.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 1:26 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Anybody with a brain can see that Trump has NO plan, you can't lower taxes, pay 
off the deficit, put more money into defense and deport 11 million people all 
while maintaining social security, medicare and "taking care of everybody". 
Thats the kind of plan somebody thats been bankrupt 4 times would come up with.

Trump hasn't got one idea that could actually be accomplished, all he's doing 
is playing off the fears of the mindless many.
-Curt
      




  
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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On August 8, 2016 at 1:38 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> You're never going to find a candidate that you agree with 100%. I figure if I
> find somebody I don't hate I'm doing pretty well.
> Choosing between Trump and Hillary is choosing between syphilis  and
> gonorrhea... Maybe Johnson/Weld is the flu but...

Change Hillary to AIDS and I might tend to agree with you...
The way things have been going, if Trump can give us four years of static
gridlock he'll be the best president since Reagan. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Curt, do you think Hillary's plan (more of Obama's plan) will somehow work
this time, because   Yes Trump is playing on fear, which is very real
for a big part of the population.  Trump didn't create that fear, but he
certainly has figured out how to tap into it.  Hillary is attempting to tap
into fear as well, fear of Trump.

Trump (as a businessman) should understand (I'm hoping) that the real key
is to get the economy fired up and rolling again, which will generate tax
revenues to fund his plan (which we all know is typical campaign
pie-in-the-sky, as general and attractive-sounding as possible to his
base).  Regulation and really stupid tax policy, which has been building
for decades, are finally about to choke the country into bankruptcy.
Medicare and SS cannot be saved without getting the economy going, and I'll
pick anyone over Hillary to see if they can do better than just picking up
where Obama left off.  Remember that the house will probably stay
Republican, so I think we'll just get continued grid-lock from WDC under
Hillary.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 1:26 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Anybody with a brain can see that Trump has NO plan, you can't lower
> taxes, pay off the deficit, put more money into defense and deport 11
> million people all while maintaining social security, medicare and "taking
> care of everybody". Thats the kind of plan somebody thats been bankrupt 4
> times would come up with.
>
> Trump hasn't got one idea that could actually be accomplished, all he's
> doing is playing off the fears of the mindless many.
> -Curt
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

You're never going to find a candidate that you agree with 100%. I figure if I 
find somebody I don't hate I'm doing pretty well.
Choosing between Trump and Hillary is choosing between syphilis  and 
gonorrhea... Maybe Johnson/Weld is the flu but...
-Curt

  From: Mitch Haley <mi...@mitchellhaley.com>
 To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
 Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 1:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs
   
Johnson isn't much better. 
Several people discuss it in the comments to that article. 
Mitch. 

> On August 8, 2016 at 10:47 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> That article is all about Weld...


  
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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I'm always surprised when people I consider intelligent are Trump supporters. 
My dad for instance is big on Trump. My mother only supports him because she 
hates Hillary. I contend that a vote for somebody you don't like is throwing 
your vote away.
It just occurred to me that when I buy electronics I ask my dad what he thinks 
and do exactly the opposite. He's got a knack for picking what will be the 
dustbin technology "You don't want a CD player, digital audio tape is the next 
big thing!"Same was true when I got my first apartment, landlord offered to 
sell it to me for $15k which would have been less than my rent. Dad said no and 
I didn't, 7 years later when we moved out they were selling (actually selling 
mind you) for $35k.
Dad has a knack for picking losers and he's chosen Trump...

-Curt

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 To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
 Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 1:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs
   
Most of his supports are NOT racists/Nazis, but the fringe hate groups are 
disproportionately attracted to him for his social views, particularly 
immigration.
On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 1:26 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Anybody with a brain can see that Trump has NO plan, you can't lower taxes, pay 
off the deficit, put more money into defense and deport 11 million people all 
while maintaining social security, medicare and "taking care of everybody". 
Thats the kind of plan somebody thats been bankrupt 4 times would come up with.

Trump hasn't got one idea that could actually be accomplished, all he's doing 
is playing off the fears of the mindless many.
-Curt

      From: rogerhga--- via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: "List, Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: roger...@comcast.net
 Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 12:35 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

Curt, I hate to break it to you, but all white people aren't bigots and 
racists. I know that line fits the liberal media mold and allows so many to 
"play the race card". I vote based upon what I believe, has nothing to do with 
racism or bigotry, and I hope you do the same. Trump is merely stating that the 
average taxpayer, not having a job, not having good healthcare, etc., because 
of the state of affairs in the current USA, is pissed off. If you have a good 
job, live in a nice neighborhood, etc, then you probably aren't pissed off, but 
a lot of people don't have thata lot of people of multiple colors I might 
add.
Best Wishes,
Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com


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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Johnson isn't much better. 
Several people discuss it in the comments to that article. 
Mitch. 

> On August 8, 2016 at 10:47 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> That article is all about Weld...

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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Most of his supports are NOT racists/Nazis, but the fringe hate groups are
disproportionately attracted to him for his social views, particularly
immigration.

On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 1:26 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Anybody with a brain can see that Trump has NO plan, you can't lower
> taxes, pay off the deficit, put more money into defense and deport 11
> million people all while maintaining social security, medicare and "taking
> care of everybody". Thats the kind of plan somebody thats been bankrupt 4
> times would come up with.
>
> Trump hasn't got one idea that could actually be accomplished, all he's
> doing is playing off the fears of the mindless many.
> -Curt
>
>   From: rogerhga--- via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>  To: "List, Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Cc: roger...@comcast.net
>  Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 12:35 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs
>
> Curt, I hate to break it to you, but all white people aren't bigots and
> racists. I know that line fits the liberal media mold and allows so many to
> "play the race card". I vote based upon what I believe, has nothing to do
> with racism or bigotry, and I hope you do the same. Trump is merely stating
> that the average taxpayer, not having a job, not having good healthcare,
> etc., because of the state of affairs in the current USA, is pissed off. If
> you have a good job, live in a nice neighborhood, etc, then you probably
> aren't pissed off, but a lot of people don't have thata lot of people
> of multiple colors I might add.
> Best Wishes,
> Roger
> Roger Hale
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
> Monroe, Ga.
> 770-267-0850
> www.dinnerwareclassics.com
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

BTW I didn't say he was a racist, I said he's a bigot, big difference.
-Curt

  From: rogerhga--- via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: "List, Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
Cc: roger...@comcast.net
 Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 12:35 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs
   
Curt, I hate to break it to you, but all white people aren't bigots and 
racists. I know that line fits the liberal media mold and allows so many to 
"play the race card". I vote based upon what I believe, has nothing to do with 
racism or bigotry, and I hope you do the same. Trump is merely stating that the 
average taxpayer, not having a job, not having good healthcare, etc., because 
of the state of affairs in the current USA, is pissed off. If you have a good 
job, live in a nice neighborhood, etc, then you probably aren't pissed off, but 
a lot of people don't have thata lot of people of multiple colors I might 
add. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 


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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Anybody with a brain can see that Trump has NO plan, you can't lower taxes, pay 
off the deficit, put more money into defense and deport 11 million people all 
while maintaining social security, medicare and "taking care of everybody". 
Thats the kind of plan somebody thats been bankrupt 4 times would come up with.

Trump hasn't got one idea that could actually be accomplished, all he's doing 
is playing off the fears of the mindless many.
-Curt

  From: rogerhga--- via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: "List, Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
Cc: roger...@comcast.net
 Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 12:35 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs
   
Curt, I hate to break it to you, but all white people aren't bigots and 
racists. I know that line fits the liberal media mold and allows so many to 
"play the race card". I vote based upon what I believe, has nothing to do with 
racism or bigotry, and I hope you do the same. Trump is merely stating that the 
average taxpayer, not having a job, not having good healthcare, etc., because 
of the state of affairs in the current USA, is pissed off. If you have a good 
job, live in a nice neighborhood, etc, then you probably aren't pissed off, but 
a lot of people don't have thata lot of people of multiple colors I might 
add. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 


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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs, taking the measure

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Looks like a nice addition for my spydie belt.  I need to get a holster
for a paint scraper.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 12:02 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Speaking of Johnsons, my Big Johnson tape measures I have been in love
> with for years have reached the ends of their useful lives. Dawn at Johnson
> Level tells me the manufacturer (not them?) still sell them, but it is a UK
> company called Fisco apparently.  I guess Dawn does not like Big Johnsons.
> Anyway I found some similar items for sale in the UK that they will ship
> for free to the USA (but the company has some sort of USA ebay listing, I
> don't know how that works), so I bought some.  The last one I bought was
> maybe 6 or 7 years ago, and it is still working OK but getting a little
> ragged.  I use it constantly.  These are by far the best tapes I have ever
> used, and have a belt clip that is very easy to use.
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/121789676960
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/121692869626
>
> These things are great, I should look into importing them and selling them
> on-line or somehow.
>
> --R
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs, taking the measure

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Regards political signs, those coroplast signs make excellent bases for 
lots of things -- under the car for sliding around (duct tape a few 
together), bases under things (waterproof, somewhat padding), quick 
boxes with some zip ties, liners for things, etc. I have repurposed them 
with a bit of white paint and then whatever message you want to present.


The scalawags have some urge to place these things all over my road, so 
I collect them up and usually get a good pile.  The wires make good 
plant props.  Some of the scalawags have gone cheap with these plastic 
bags over a wire frame, the bags actually make OK small trash bags and 
the wire frames are useful for random shop things.


--FT


On 8/8/16 12:08 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
I had a Stanley 30' x 1" tape that was great!   I left it for my 
friend the dozer op to use a few years ago because he was trying to 
level a building pad without a tape.  He left it lay on a window sill, 
and some scumbag lifted it.  I still miss that one.Now I just use 
the HF freebies..  They are adequate, but won't do some things the 1" 
Stanley could do.



Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
August 8, 2016 at 11:02 AM
Speaking of Johnsons, my Big Johnson tape measures I have been in 
love with for years have reached the ends of their useful lives. Dawn 
at Johnson Level tells me the manufacturer (not them?) still sell 
them, but it is a UK company called Fisco apparently.  I guess Dawn 
does not like Big Johnsons.  Anyway I found some similar items for 
sale in the UK that they will ship for free to the USA (but the 
company has some sort of USA ebay listing, I don't know how that 
works), so I bought some.  The last one I bought was maybe 6 or 7 
years ago, and it is still working OK but getting a little ragged.  I 
use it constantly. These are by far the best tapes I have ever used, 
and have a belt clip that is very easy to use.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/121789676960

http://www.ebay.com/itm/121692869626

These things are great, I should look into importing them and selling 
them on-line or somehow.


--R




Curt Raymond via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
August 8, 2016 at 10:07 AM
Wikipedia says 68. Says Trump is 70.
Johnson is just a kid at 63.
-Curt

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To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

pillory is older than 70



The B.C. character Fat Broad comes to mind


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Curley McLain <mailto:126die...@gmail.com>
August 8, 2016 at 9:59 AM
pillory is older than 70



The B.C. character Fat Broad comes to mind


Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
August 8, 2016 at 9:56 AM
He's gotta be at least 70...

On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
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August 8, 2016 at 9:54 AM
Why? He's not even all that old...
-Curt

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To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List 
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Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

Former MA Gov. Wm. Weld??  I thought he was long deceased.
On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


That article is all about Weld...
-Curt

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 To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List 
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 Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 10:44 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs



I'd have been hopeful if there were any Libertarians in the race.
Johnson's true colors are finally showing, I'm embarrassed to have 
voted for him

in 2012.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns. com/2016/08/dean-weingarten/ 
lp-vp-video-gun-ban-terror- watch-list-rifles-weapons- mass-destruction/




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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[rogerhga--- via Mercedes]

Curt, I hate to break it to you, but all white people aren't bigots and 
racists. I know that line fits the liberal media mold and allows so many to 
"play the race card". I vote based upon what I believe, has nothing to do with 
racism or bigotry, and I hope you do the same. Trump is merely stating that the 
average taxpayer, not having a job, not having good healthcare, etc., because 
of the state of affairs in the current USA, is pissed off. If you have a good 
job, live in a nice neighborhood, etc, then you probably aren't pissed off, but 
a lot of people don't have thata lot of people of multiple colors I might 
add. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 


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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs, taking the measure

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I had a Stanley 30' x 1" tape that was great!   I left it for my friend 
the dozer op to use a few years ago because he was trying to level a 
building pad without a tape.  He left it lay on a window sill, and some 
scumbag lifted it.  I still miss that one.Now I just use the HF 
freebies..  They are adequate, but won't do some things the 1" Stanley 
could do.



Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
August 8, 2016 at 11:02 AM
Speaking of Johnsons, my Big Johnson tape measures I have been in love 
with for years have reached the ends of their useful lives. Dawn at 
Johnson Level tells me the manufacturer (not them?) still sell them, 
but it is a UK company called Fisco apparently.  I guess Dawn does not 
like Big Johnsons.  Anyway I found some similar items for sale in the 
UK that they will ship for free to the USA (but the company has some 
sort of USA ebay listing, I don't know how that works), so I bought 
some.  The last one I bought was maybe 6 or 7 years ago, and it is 
still working OK but getting a little ragged.  I use it constantly.  
These are by far the best tapes I have ever used, and have a belt clip 
that is very easy to use.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/121789676960

http://www.ebay.com/itm/121692869626

These things are great, I should look into importing them and selling 
them on-line or somehow.


--R




Curt Raymond via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
August 8, 2016 at 10:07 AM
Wikipedia says 68. Says Trump is 70.
Johnson is just a kid at 63.
-Curt

From: Curley McLain via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

pillory is older than 70



The B.C. character Fat Broad comes to mind


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Curley McLain <mailto:126die...@gmail.com>
August 8, 2016 at 9:59 AM
pillory is older than 70



The B.C. character Fat Broad comes to mind


Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
August 8, 2016 at 9:56 AM
He's gotta be at least 70...

On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
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Curt Raymond via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
August 8, 2016 at 9:54 AM
Why? He's not even all that old...
-Curt

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Former MA Gov. Wm. Weld??  I thought he was long deceased.
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That article is all about Weld...
-Curt

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 Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 10:44 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs



I'd have been hopeful if there were any Libertarians in the race.
Johnson's true colors are finally showing, I'm embarrassed to have 
voted for him

in 2012.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns. com/2016/08/dean-weingarten/ 
lp-vp-video-gun-ban-terror- watch-list-rifles-weapons- mass-destruction/




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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Roger wrote:
> ...Hillary is just a plain liar and a crook.
...
>...Trump needs to keep speaking plain talk, that's what energizes his base, 
>not kowtowing to advisers and media types.

Try to get any of those lies to court - it hasn't happened for 40
years, it's not gonna happen today.  Is the data suspect?  Why is the
proof of lies sooo hard to get?  Have there been court appearances?
Bill was impeached but finished the term.  Clinton is pure teflon -
nothing sticks.

Yes, D, speak to me plainly like I speak to banned and okiebenz.
mao

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