Re: [MBZ] OT - Mesh WiFi Networks

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I have no complaints about the quality or functionality of NetGear’s products, 
I just don’t like the fact that stuff seems to become legacy hardware in a far 
shorter time period than other vendors.

It did affect my NAS, as I bonded the two NICs using the firmware options, and 
there’s no way to “unbond” them because they stopped supporting the device 
shortly after adding the option.  It was supposed to be a part of the option 
but they dropped support before they finished development.

So now I have a NAS with bonded NICs that I can’t separate.

-D


> On Jan 5, 2018, at 2:16 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> I tried Netgear after several failures of other brands, and the Netgear has
> lasted the longest here. YMMV. I do get updates for the Netgear stuff, even
> though there are newer models of the hardware. I have four pieces now - in
> four different buildings, all on the same network - working great (knocking
> on wood). Two of the routers have USB sticks stuck in them for shared
> storage - works fine.
> 


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mesh WiFi Networks

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I tried Netgear after several failures of other brands, and the Netgear has
lasted the longest here. YMMV. I do get updates for the Netgear stuff, even
though there are newer models of the hardware. I have four pieces now - in
four different buildings, all on the same network - working great (knocking
on wood). Two of the routers have USB sticks stuck in them for shared
storage - works fine.

On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 10:01 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I’ve had a couple of their routers, which have worked fairly well.
> However, they seem to have a pretty short development cycle when then bring
> out new products. When this happens, the old ones get kicked to the curb
> and receive no updates.
>
> If I buy a $150 router as new I expect it to be supported for more than a
> year after I purchase it.  I also have a NAS they made and the same issue
> occurred. That was a fairly expensive purchase for what is now effectively
> a very expensive doorstop.
>
> -D
>
> > On Jan 5, 2018, at 10:54 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> On January 4, 2018 at 8:09 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> My previous experiences with Netgear haven’t been great, but it comes
> in as far as reviews just below the Eero, so they must be doing something
> right.
> >
> > People used to buy Netgear stuff on sale at Staples, sometimes with
> rebates, and then resell them on Amazon.
> > If they didn't appear to be authorized vendors, Netgear would send them
> threats, accusing them of selling counterfeit goods. In some cases suing
> them for selling counterfeit goods when in fact the goods in question were
> genuine.
> > Then Netgear switched their claim to 'you listed them as New, but only
> purchases from authorized vendors carry our warranty, therefore they aren't
> really New, and we'll sue you for that instead'.
> > When I heard about that, I figured that if Netgear is going to sue me
> for selling something I own, I'll just avoid owning Netgear products.
> >
> > Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mesh WiFi Networks

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

I’ve had a couple of their routers, which have worked fairly well.  However, 
they seem to have a pretty short development cycle when then bring out new 
products. When this happens, the old ones get kicked to the curb and receive no 
updates.

If I buy a $150 router as new I expect it to be supported for more than a year 
after I purchase it.  I also have a NAS they made and the same issue occurred. 
That was a fairly expensive purchase for what is now effectively a very 
expensive doorstop.

-D

> On Jan 5, 2018, at 10:54 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On January 4, 2018 at 8:09 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> My previous experiences with Netgear haven’t been great, but it comes in as 
>> far as reviews just below the Eero, so they must be doing something right.
> 
> People used to buy Netgear stuff on sale at Staples, sometimes with rebates, 
> and then resell them on Amazon. 
> If they didn't appear to be authorized vendors, Netgear would send them 
> threats, accusing them of selling counterfeit goods. In some cases suing them 
> for selling counterfeit goods when in fact the goods in question were 
> genuine. 
> Then Netgear switched their claim to 'you listed them as New, but only 
> purchases from authorized vendors carry our warranty, therefore they aren't 
> really New, and we'll sue you for that instead'. 
> When I heard about that, I figured that if Netgear is going to sue me for 
> selling something I own, I'll just avoid owning Netgear products. 
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mesh WiFi Networks

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On January 4, 2018 at 8:09 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
>  My previous experiences with Netgear haven’t been great, but it comes in as 
> far as reviews just below the Eero, so they must be doing something right.

People used to buy Netgear stuff on sale at Staples, sometimes with rebates, 
and then resell them on Amazon. 
If they didn't appear to be authorized vendors, Netgear would send them 
threats, accusing them of selling counterfeit goods. In some cases suing them 
for selling counterfeit goods when in fact the goods in question were genuine. 
Then Netgear switched their claim to 'you listed them as New, but only 
purchases from authorized vendors carry our warranty, therefore they aren't 
really New, and we'll sue you for that instead'. 
When I heard about that, I figured that if Netgear is going to sue me for 
selling something I own, I'll just avoid owning Netgear products. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mesh WiFi Networks

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> Dan wrote:

> Anyone here done a mesh wifi network in their house with an Eero
> or similar hardware?
> 
> I’m giving it some thought as a replacement for the dual band
> wifi I currently run that just barely covers the whole house.

Not mesh, but I _really_ like all of the Ubiquity hardware I've
used.  Put in a UniFi "LR" (long range) and I would expect you to
have good coverage over the whole house.  And if one won't do it,
run wires to two of them an they can "share" an ESSID and
seamlessly switch.  Also supports dual ESSID so one can be setup
as "guest" access. It's more trouble to setup as it is managed via
a server, but that isn't needed for runtime unless you need to do
fancy stuff.

Here is a link to one of them.  There are others to choose from too:
https://www.a1securitycameras.com/ubiquiti-uap-lr-us.html
https://www.ubnt.com/unifi/unifi-ap/


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mesh WiFi Networks

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Exactly. That’s why I’m looking at mesh.  If I had a way to get ethernet to the 
back of the house I would just put another access point in.  Unfortunately, the 
pitch of the roof prevents me from getting back there through the attic space, 
so that’s not an option.

-D


> On Jan 4, 2018, at 8:15 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The difference between extenders and mesh is that with mesh you 
> (theoretically) do not lose bandwidth. The mesh system uses an additional 5 
> GHz band to communicate between the base unit and any satellites.
> 
> Greg
> 


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mesh WiFi Networks

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Ah - I forgot that. With our 4Mbps WiFi based ISP service, maximizing
throughput is an exercise in futility . . .

On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 7:15 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The difference between extenders and mesh is that with mesh you
> (theoretically) do not lose bandwidth. The mesh system uses an additional 5
> GHz band to communicate between the base unit and any satellites.
>
> Greg
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don
> via Mercedes
> Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2018 5:04 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc: OK Don
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Mesh WiFi Networks
>
> I have a "range extender" from Netgear that I bought to share our ISP with
> my neighbor in trade for services (annual inspections). He decided to get
> his own service, so I now have the extender in the detached garage
> providing WiFi for the surveillance camera that watches the bird feeder. It
> works great and was simple to setup. I don't know that it qualifies as a
> mesh network, but it does provide solid WiFi at a distance.
>
> On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 6:40 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I have the Orbi system with one satellite (so 2 units). It works well
> > in my 2700 sq. ft. home with 6 levels. I needed it because I got the
> > Ring doorbell and my old router would sometimes fail to connect the
> > doorbell requiring setting it up again. Also, the house is in a low
> > spot adjacent to the creek, so cell coverage is very poor without
> > wifi. Never had that problem since. I got a substantial discount from
> Amazon warehouse deals.
> > The "defects" were some smudges on the surfaces which wiped off
> > completely with a damp cloth.
> >
> > Costco recently had a 3 unit system at a typical Costco price, IDK if
> > they still offer that.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan
> > Penoff via Mercedes
> > Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2018 4:16 PM
> > To: Mercedes List
> > Cc: Dan Penoff
> > Subject: [MBZ] OT - Mesh WiFi Networks
> >
> > Anyone here done a mesh wifi network in their house with an Eero or
> > similar hardware?
> >
> > I’m giving it some thought as a replacement for the dual band wifi I
> > currently run that just barely covers the whole house.
> >
> > -D
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mesh WiFi Networks

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

The difference between extenders and mesh is that with mesh you (theoretically) 
do not lose bandwidth. The mesh system uses an additional 5 GHz band to 
communicate between the base unit and any satellites.

Greg

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Mercedes
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2018 5:04 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: OK Don
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Mesh WiFi Networks

I have a "range extender" from Netgear that I bought to share our ISP with my 
neighbor in trade for services (annual inspections). He decided to get his own 
service, so I now have the extender in the detached garage providing WiFi for 
the surveillance camera that watches the bird feeder. It works great and was 
simple to setup. I don't know that it qualifies as a mesh network, but it does 
provide solid WiFi at a distance.

On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 6:40 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes < 
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I have the Orbi system with one satellite (so 2 units). It works well 
> in my 2700 sq. ft. home with 6 levels. I needed it because I got the 
> Ring doorbell and my old router would sometimes fail to connect the 
> doorbell requiring setting it up again. Also, the house is in a low 
> spot adjacent to the creek, so cell coverage is very poor without 
> wifi. Never had that problem since. I got a substantial discount from Amazon 
> warehouse deals.
> The "defects" were some smudges on the surfaces which wiped off 
> completely with a damp cloth.
>
> Costco recently had a 3 unit system at a typical Costco price, IDK if 
> they still offer that.
>
> Greg
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan 
> Penoff via Mercedes
> Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2018 4:16 PM
> To: Mercedes List
> Cc: Dan Penoff
> Subject: [MBZ] OT - Mesh WiFi Networks
>
> Anyone here done a mesh wifi network in their house with an Eero or 
> similar hardware?
>
> I’m giving it some thought as a replacement for the dual band wifi I 
> currently run that just barely covers the whole house.
>
> -D
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mesh WiFi Networks

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Thanks, Don.

I can do a range extender/bridge with hardware I currently have.  I’m looking 
at a mesh network so I can have consistent coverage around the house without 
any dogs on bandwidth or speed, which a bridge would do.

Greg - good info on the Orbi.  My previous experiences with Netgear haven’t 
been great, but it comes in as far as reviews just below the Eero, so they must 
be doing something right.

Thanks!

-D

> On Jan 4, 2018, at 8:04 PM, OK Don via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> I have a "range extender" from Netgear that I bought to share our ISP with
> my neighbor in trade for services (annual inspections). He decided to get
> his own service, so I now have the extender in the detached garage
> providing WiFi for the surveillance camera that watches the bird feeder. It
> works great and was simple to setup. I don't know that it qualifies as a
> mesh network, but it does provide solid WiFi at a distance.
> 
> On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 6:40 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I have the Orbi system with one satellite (so 2 units). It works well in
>> my 2700 sq. ft. home with 6 levels. I needed it because I got the Ring
>> doorbell and my old router would sometimes fail to connect the doorbell
>> requiring setting it up again. Also, the house is in a low spot adjacent to
>> the creek, so cell coverage is very poor without wifi. Never had that
>> problem since. I got a substantial discount from Amazon warehouse deals.
>> The "defects" were some smudges on the surfaces which wiped off completely
>> with a damp cloth.
>> 
>> Costco recently had a 3 unit system at a typical Costco price, IDK if they
>> still offer that.
>> 
>> Greg
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan
>> Penoff via Mercedes
>> Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2018 4:16 PM
>> To: Mercedes List
>> Cc: Dan Penoff
>> Subject: [MBZ] OT - Mesh WiFi Networks
>> 
>> Anyone here done a mesh wifi network in their house with an Eero or
>> similar hardware?
>> 
>> I’m giving it some thought as a replacement for the dual band wifi I
>> currently run that just barely covers the whole house.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
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> for themselves."
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mesh WiFi Networks

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I have a "range extender" from Netgear that I bought to share our ISP with
my neighbor in trade for services (annual inspections). He decided to get
his own service, so I now have the extender in the detached garage
providing WiFi for the surveillance camera that watches the bird feeder. It
works great and was simple to setup. I don't know that it qualifies as a
mesh network, but it does provide solid WiFi at a distance.

On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 6:40 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I have the Orbi system with one satellite (so 2 units). It works well in
> my 2700 sq. ft. home with 6 levels. I needed it because I got the Ring
> doorbell and my old router would sometimes fail to connect the doorbell
> requiring setting it up again. Also, the house is in a low spot adjacent to
> the creek, so cell coverage is very poor without wifi. Never had that
> problem since. I got a substantial discount from Amazon warehouse deals.
> The "defects" were some smudges on the surfaces which wiped off completely
> with a damp cloth.
>
> Costco recently had a 3 unit system at a typical Costco price, IDK if they
> still offer that.
>
> Greg
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan
> Penoff via Mercedes
> Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2018 4:16 PM
> To: Mercedes List
> Cc: Dan Penoff
> Subject: [MBZ] OT - Mesh WiFi Networks
>
> Anyone here done a mesh wifi network in their house with an Eero or
> similar hardware?
>
> I’m giving it some thought as a replacement for the dual band wifi I
> currently run that just barely covers the whole house.
>
> -D
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mesh WiFi Networks

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

I have the Orbi system with one satellite (so 2 units). It works well in my 
2700 sq. ft. home with 6 levels. I needed it because I got the Ring doorbell 
and my old router would sometimes fail to connect the doorbell requiring 
setting it up again. Also, the house is in a low spot adjacent to the creek, so 
cell coverage is very poor without wifi. Never had that problem since. I got a 
substantial discount from Amazon warehouse deals. The "defects" were some 
smudges on the surfaces which wiped off completely with a damp cloth.

Costco recently had a 3 unit system at a typical Costco price, IDK if they 
still offer that.

Greg

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via Mercedes
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2018 4:16 PM
To: Mercedes List
Cc: Dan Penoff
Subject: [MBZ] OT - Mesh WiFi Networks

Anyone here done a mesh wifi network in their house with an Eero or similar 
hardware?

I’m giving it some thought as a replacement for the dual band wifi I currently 
run that just barely covers the whole house.

-D


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[MBZ] OT - Mesh WiFi Networks

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Anyone here done a mesh wifi network in their house with an Eero or similar 
hardware?

I’m giving it some thought as a replacement for the dual band wifi I currently 
run that just barely covers the whole house.

-D


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