Re: [MBZ] OT Calling Tin Man Mao

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Also the flavoring agent in spruce buds.  Survival food - barely.

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> Randy wrote:
> > The Lord only knows what it might do to your liver, but there are folks
> > who swear by WD40 as relief for arthritis.
>
> Turpentine used to be used for everything.  Use 100% pure gum spirits,
> not petroleum distillate.
> tin
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Re: [MBZ] OT Calling Tin Man Mao

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Randy wrote:
> The Lord only knows what it might do to your liver, but there are folks
> who swear by WD40 as relief for arthritis.

Turpentine used to be used for everything.  Use 100% pure gum spirits,
not petroleum distillate.
tin

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Re: [MBZ] OT Calling Tin Man Mao

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 Randy Bennell wrote:
> > The Lord only knows what it might do to your liver, but there are folks 
> > who swear by WD40 as relief for arthritis.

The problem with substances that are toxic to the liver is that you can destroy 
seven-eighths of your liver and never know it, but when you begin destroying 
the last eighth and the damage starts showing up on lab tests, pray that you 
can find a liver transplant someplace; with the odds against it.


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Re: [MBZ] OT Calling Tin Man Mao

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Voltaren cream is quote effective.

On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 5:46 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
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>  Angie has both kinds around the house, it never really did much for me,
> she likes it though.
> Its funny how one person has great results from some stuff but not others.
> Like I mentioned Deep Blue and how I like it for sore muscles, Ben Gay and
> the other rub in creams don't do anything for me...
> -Curt
>
> On Monday, May 13, 2019, 3:54:48 PM EDT, G Mann via Mercedes <
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>
>  The stuff I'm using is in tablet form, you disolve it under your tongue.
>
> I also have good success with the gell for all kinds of injuries, bruises,
> strains etc.
>
> On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 12:34 PM fmiser via Mercedes <
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> wrote:
>
> > > G wrote:
> >
> > > Give Arnicare a look. It's an old Homeopathic med that has been
> > > used since before Rome was in power
> >
> > Arnica is the "active" component.
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnica
> >
> > Good stuff.  I use it on bumps, bruises, sore muscles, joint aches
> > - pretty much any pain that isn't bleeding or too close to
> > eye/mouth/nose.
> >
> > The gel is easy to apply.  Lots of choices at Amazon
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT Calling Tin Man Mao

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Angie has both kinds around the house, it never really did much for me, she 
likes it though.
Its funny how one person has great results from some stuff but not others. Like 
I mentioned Deep Blue and how I like it for sore muscles, Ben Gay and the other 
rub in creams don't do anything for me...
-Curt

On Monday, May 13, 2019, 3:54:48 PM EDT, G Mann via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 The stuff I'm using is in tablet form, you disolve it under your tongue.

I also have good success with the gell for all kinds of injuries, bruises,
strains etc.

On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 12:34 PM fmiser via Mercedes 
wrote:

> > G wrote:
>
> > Give Arnicare a look. It's an old Homeopathic med that has been
> > used since before Rome was in power
>
> Arnica is the "active" component.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnica
>
> Good stuff.  I use it on bumps, bruises, sore muscles, joint aches
> - pretty much any pain that isn't bleeding or too close to
> eye/mouth/nose.
>
> The gel is easy to apply.  Lots of choices at Amazon
>
> https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=arnica%20gel
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Re: [MBZ] OT Calling Tin Man Mao

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

My dentist gave me sublingual arnica pills to help recover from deep gum
cleaning.

On Mon, May 13, 2019, 3:54 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> The stuff I'm using is in tablet form, you disolve it under your tongue.
>
> I also have good success with the gell for all kinds of injuries, bruises,
> strains etc.
>
> On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 12:34 PM fmiser via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
>
> > > G wrote:
> >
> > > Give Arnicare a look. It's an old Homeopathic med that has been
> > > used since before Rome was in power
> >
> > Arnica is the "active" component.
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnica
> >
> > Good stuff.  I use it on bumps, bruises, sore muscles, joint aches
> > - pretty much any pain that isn't bleeding or too close to
> > eye/mouth/nose.
> >
> > The gel is easy to apply.  Lots of choices at Amazon
> >
> >
> https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=arnica%20gel
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Re: [MBZ] OT Calling Tin Man Mao

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The stuff I'm using is in tablet form, you disolve it under your tongue.

I also have good success with the gell for all kinds of injuries, bruises,
strains etc.

On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 12:34 PM fmiser via Mercedes 
wrote:

> > G wrote:
>
> > Give Arnicare a look. It's an old Homeopathic med that has been
> > used since before Rome was in power
>
> Arnica is the "active" component.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnica
>
> Good stuff.  I use it on bumps, bruises, sore muscles, joint aches
> - pretty much any pain that isn't bleeding or too close to
> eye/mouth/nose.
>
> The gel is easy to apply.  Lots of choices at Amazon
>
> https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=arnica%20gel
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Re: [MBZ] OT Calling Tin Man Mao

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> G wrote:

> Give Arnicare a look. It's an old Homeopathic med that has been
> used since before Rome was in power

Arnica is the "active" component.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnica

Good stuff.  I use it on bumps, bruises, sore muscles, joint aches
- pretty much any pain that isn't bleeding or too close to
eye/mouth/nose.

The gel is easy to apply.  Lots of choices at Amazon
https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=arnica%20gel

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Re: [MBZ] OT Calling Tin Man Mao

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Give Arnicare a look. It's an old Homeopathic med that has been used since
before Rome was in power.  A company called BOIRON makes a product called
"Arnicare Arthritis" . If you have a health food store near you, likely
they will have it.
I use it to some good effect, others I've steered to it have had success as
well. Might work for you. It's doesn't interact with other drugs, has no
side effects, etc... so pretty safe to try.
It is a natural anti inflammation so works at the source of arthritis..
[fancy latin medical word meaning "inflamed joints"]


On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 10:04 PM archer75--- via Mercedes <
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> I agree with Curly. Stay busy doing "something", and every time thoughts
> about  pain in your wrist pop up, put them out of your mind. It won't be
> easy at first, but the more you put something out of your mind, the easier
> it gets.
> Remember the principle of building good habits: "Try and fail, try and
> fail, try and succeed." You want to replace the habit of thinking about the
> pains you have with the habit of ignoring the pains you have.
> Hope this helps,
> Gerry
>
>
> Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> > What's a good technique to ignore/mask pain in my arthritic right wrist?
> > The magnetic bracelet seemed to make it worse.
>
> > > On Sat, May 11, 2019, 3:17 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I agree 100% with Karl.
> > > >
> > > > pain is all in your mind.   If you will it away, concentrate on what
> you
> > > > want to do, the pain becomes background noise.   Not in one minute,
> not
> > > > in one day if it is serious pain, but over time your mind learns to
> > > > ignore persistent acute pain.
> > > >
> > > > Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote on 5/11/19 5:06 PM:
> > > > > I do a lot of periop management for spine and joint patients. The
> mind
> > > > > inhibits pain perception actively. This is visible on fMRI. So
> > > > expectations
> > > > > and emotional state have a big effect on pain levels. It is a
> complex
> > > > > interplay. I always say that there are a lot of unproven
> therapies, but
> > > > as
> > > > > long as side effects are minimal, cost is reasonable and it seems
> to
> > > > help,
> > > > > I will take a placebo benefit every day of the week and twice on
> > > sunday.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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Re: [MBZ] OT Calling Tin Man Mao

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

When I was a kid, people used to rub DMSO on their joints. 
I seem to recall somebody saying that WD40 was Kerosene and DMSO back then, but 
I just looked it up and it seems to be mostly Naptha. Anyway, I can't find any 
reference to sulfates in WD, so I doubt it used DMSO for a penetrating 
additive. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimethyl_sulfoxide


> On May 13, 2019 at 12:37 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> The Lord only knows what it might do to your liver, but there are folks 
> who swear by WD40 as relief for arthritis.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Calling Tin Man Mao

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

The Lord only knows what it might do to your liver, but there are folks 
who swear by WD40 as relief for arthritis.


On 13/05/2019 11:21 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

  I get arthritis in my hands and get surprising amounts of relief from lemongrass oil. 
Its not a cure all but a couple drops rubbed in makes it feel better.Angie sells Doterra, 
their "Deep Blue" is the only topical pain reliever I've ever used that I 
thought actually worked.
You can buy Doterra online, I know it seems expensive but you only need a drop 
or two at a time.https://www.doterra.com/US/en/site/angelaraymond
-Curt





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Re: [MBZ] OT Calling Tin Man Mao

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I get arthritis in my hands and get surprising amounts of relief from 
lemongrass oil. Its not a cure all but a couple drops rubbed in makes it feel 
better.Angie sells Doterra, their "Deep Blue" is the only topical pain reliever 
I've ever used that I thought actually worked.
You can buy Doterra online, I know it seems expensive but you only need a drop 
or two at a time.https://www.doterra.com/US/en/site/angelaraymond
-Curt


On Sunday, May 12, 2019, 6:09:08 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 What's a good technique to ignore/mask pain in my arthritic right wrist?
The magnetic bracelet seemed to make it worse.

On Sat, May 11, 2019 at 7:06 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yes it wont take care of everything in many cases, but even if it gets you
> 30% to the goalpost, it is worth taking home.
>
> On Sat, May 11, 2019, 3:17 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I agree 100% with Karl.
> >
> > pain is all in your mind.  If you will it away, concentrate on what you
> > want to do, the pain becomes background noise.  Not in one minute, not
> > in one day if it is serious pain, but over time your mind learns to
> > ignore persistent acute pain.
> >
> > Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote on 5/11/19 5:06 PM:
> > > I do a lot of periop management for spine and joint patients. The mind
> > > inhibits pain perception actively. This is visible on fMRI. So
> > expectations
> > > and emotional state have a big effect on pain levels. It is a complex
> > > interplay. I always say that there are a lot of unproven therapies, but
> > as
> > > long as side effects are minimal, cost is reasonable and it seems to
> > help,
> > > I will take a placebo benefit every day of the week and twice on
> sunday.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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He already has one, doesn't he?
Gerry

> Get a girlfriend?
> 
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> 
> > On May 12, 2019, at 6:08 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > What's a good technique to ignore/mask pain in my arthritic right wrist?
> > The magnetic bracelet seemed to make it worse.
> > 
> > On Sat, May 11, 2019 at 7:06 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> Yes it wont take care of everything in many cases, but even if it gets you
> >> 30% to the goalpost, it is worth taking home.
> >> 
> >> On Sat, May 11, 2019, 3:17 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >>> I agree 100% with Karl.
> >>> 
> >>> pain is all in your mind.   If you will it away, concentrate on what you
> >>> want to do, the pain becomes background noise.   Not in one minute, not
> >>> in one day if it is serious pain, but over time your mind learns to
> >>> ignore persistent acute pain.
> >>> 
> >>> Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote on 5/11/19 5:06 PM:
>  I do a lot of periop management for spine and joint patients. The mind
>  inhibits pain perception actively. This is visible on fMRI. So
> >>> expectations
>  and emotional state have a big effect on pain levels. It is a complex
>  interplay. I always say that there are a lot of unproven therapies, but
> >>> as
>  long as side effects are minimal, cost is reasonable and it seems to
> >>> help,
>  I will take a placebo benefit every day of the week and twice on
> >> sunday.
>  
>  
>  
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I agree with Curly. Stay busy doing "something", and every time thoughts about  
pain in your wrist pop up, put them out of your mind. It won't be easy at 
first, but the more you put something out of your mind, the easier it gets.
Remember the principle of building good habits: "Try and fail, try and fail, 
try and succeed." You want to replace the habit of thinking about the pains you 
have with the habit of ignoring the pains you have.
Hope this helps,
Gerry


Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> What's a good technique to ignore/mask pain in my arthritic right wrist?
> The magnetic bracelet seemed to make it worse.

> > On Sat, May 11, 2019, 3:17 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I agree 100% with Karl.
> > >
> > > pain is all in your mind.   If you will it away, concentrate on what you
> > > want to do, the pain becomes background noise.   Not in one minute, not
> > > in one day if it is serious pain, but over time your mind learns to
> > > ignore persistent acute pain.
> > >
> > > Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote on 5/11/19 5:06 PM:
> > > > I do a lot of periop management for spine and joint patients. The mind
> > > > inhibits pain perception actively. This is visible on fMRI. So
> > > expectations
> > > > and emotional state have a big effect on pain levels. It is a complex
> > > > interplay. I always say that there are a lot of unproven therapies, but
> > > as
> > > > long as side effects are minimal, cost is reasonable and it seems to
> > > help,
> > > > I will take a placebo benefit every day of the week and twice on
> > sunday.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Get a girlfriend?

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> On May 12, 2019, at 6:08 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> What's a good technique to ignore/mask pain in my arthritic right wrist?
> The magnetic bracelet seemed to make it worse.
> 
> On Sat, May 11, 2019 at 7:06 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Yes it wont take care of everything in many cases, but even if it gets you
>> 30% to the goalpost, it is worth taking home.
>> 
>> On Sat, May 11, 2019, 3:17 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I agree 100% with Karl.
>>> 
>>> pain is all in your mind.   If you will it away, concentrate on what you
>>> want to do, the pain becomes background noise.   Not in one minute, not
>>> in one day if it is serious pain, but over time your mind learns to
>>> ignore persistent acute pain.
>>> 
>>> Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote on 5/11/19 5:06 PM:
 I do a lot of periop management for spine and joint patients. The mind
 inhibits pain perception actively. This is visible on fMRI. So
>>> expectations
 and emotional state have a big effect on pain levels. It is a complex
 interplay. I always say that there are a lot of unproven therapies, but
>>> as
 long as side effects are minimal, cost is reasonable and it seems to
>>> help,
 I will take a placebo benefit every day of the week and twice on
>> sunday.
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Calling Tin Man Mao

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

CBD oil is said to be effective. 

Greg

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Calling Tin Man Mao

What's a good technique to ignore/mask pain in my arthritic right wrist?
The magnetic bracelet seemed to make it worse.

On Sat, May 11, 2019 at 7:06 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yes it wont take care of everything in many cases, but even if it gets you
> 30% to the goalpost, it is worth taking home.
>
> On Sat, May 11, 2019, 3:17 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I agree 100% with Karl.
> >
> > pain is all in your mind.   If you will it away, concentrate on what you
> > want to do, the pain becomes background noise.   Not in one minute, not
> > in one day if it is serious pain, but over time your mind learns to
> > ignore persistent acute pain.
> >
> > Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote on 5/11/19 5:06 PM:
> > > I do a lot of periop management for spine and joint patients. The mind
> > > inhibits pain perception actively. This is visible on fMRI. So
> > expectations
> > > and emotional state have a big effect on pain levels. It is a complex
> > > interplay. I always say that there are a lot of unproven therapies, but
> > as
> > > long as side effects are minimal, cost is reasonable and it seems to
> > help,
> > > I will take a placebo benefit every day of the week and twice on
> sunday.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT Calling Tin Man Mao

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

What's a good technique to ignore/mask pain in my arthritic right wrist?
The magnetic bracelet seemed to make it worse.

On Sat, May 11, 2019 at 7:06 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yes it wont take care of everything in many cases, but even if it gets you
> 30% to the goalpost, it is worth taking home.
>
> On Sat, May 11, 2019, 3:17 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I agree 100% with Karl.
> >
> > pain is all in your mind.   If you will it away, concentrate on what you
> > want to do, the pain becomes background noise.   Not in one minute, not
> > in one day if it is serious pain, but over time your mind learns to
> > ignore persistent acute pain.
> >
> > Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote on 5/11/19 5:06 PM:
> > > I do a lot of periop management for spine and joint patients. The mind
> > > inhibits pain perception actively. This is visible on fMRI. So
> > expectations
> > > and emotional state have a big effect on pain levels. It is a complex
> > > interplay. I always say that there are a lot of unproven therapies, but
> > as
> > > long as side effects are minimal, cost is reasonable and it seems to
> > help,
> > > I will take a placebo benefit every day of the week and twice on
> sunday.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT Calling Tin Man Mao

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Yes it wont take care of everything in many cases, but even if it gets you
30% to the goalpost, it is worth taking home.

On Sat, May 11, 2019, 3:17 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I agree 100% with Karl.
>
> pain is all in your mind.   If you will it away, concentrate on what you
> want to do, the pain becomes background noise.   Not in one minute, not
> in one day if it is serious pain, but over time your mind learns to
> ignore persistent acute pain.
>
> Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote on 5/11/19 5:06 PM:
> > I do a lot of periop management for spine and joint patients. The mind
> > inhibits pain perception actively. This is visible on fMRI. So
> expectations
> > and emotional state have a big effect on pain levels. It is a complex
> > interplay. I always say that there are a lot of unproven therapies, but
> as
> > long as side effects are minimal, cost is reasonable and it seems to
> help,
> > I will take a placebo benefit every day of the week and twice on sunday.
> >
> >
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Calling Tin Man Mao

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I agree 100% with Karl.

pain is all in your mind.   If you will it away, concentrate on what you 
want to do, the pain becomes background noise.   Not in one minute, not  
in one day if it is serious pain, but over time your mind learns to 
ignore persistent acute pain.


Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote on 5/11/19 5:06 PM:

I do a lot of periop management for spine and joint patients. The mind
inhibits pain perception actively. This is visible on fMRI. So expectations
and emotional state have a big effect on pain levels. It is a complex
interplay. I always say that there are a lot of unproven therapies, but as
long as side effects are minimal, cost is reasonable and it seems to help,
I will take a placebo benefit every day of the week and twice on sunday.






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Re: [MBZ] OT Calling Tin Man Mao

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

I do a lot of periop management for spine and joint patients. The mind
inhibits pain perception actively. This is visible on fMRI. So expectations
and emotional state have a big effect on pain levels. It is a complex
interplay. I always say that there are a lot of unproven therapies, but as
long as side effects are minimal, cost is reasonable and it seems to help,
I will take a placebo benefit every day of the week and twice on sunday.


On Thu, May 9, 2019, 3:30 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Exactly. There was a good segment on placebo research on Morning Edition
> this morning. It was pretty cool, as the researchers found that even
> telling the patients they were getting placebos still resulted in them
> feeling better. I think it’s a series they’re running, as I heard another
> spot on the same thing earlier in the week.
>
>
> https://www.npr.org/2019/05/09/721685197/placebos-may-be-a-powerful-tool-that-medicine-has-overlooked
>
> There was a doctor (orthopedic surgeon) who did a study on patients with
> arthritic knee pain. One group got surgery, the other got nothing, but went
> through a “mock surgery” with an incision and OR activity for the same
> length of time that the actual surgery would have taken. He even went so
> far as to run a videotape of the surgery in the OR for the patient to watch
> as if they were the ones being operated on.
>
> The placebo group reported as good or better results than the patients who
> actually had the surgery.
>
> He reported his findings to the orthopedic community and it just pissed
> off his peers, mainly because it was the most common operation many of them
> were performing….
>
> -D
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 9, 2019, at 6:04 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Even if it's the power of placebo the results are what matters. If it
> works for you that's good for you.
> > Curt
> >
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >
> >  On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 6:01 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:   I believed
> in them, and they worked, although this was not a controlled
> > experiment.  I may just heal quickly.
> >
> > Nikken is the leading manufacturer.  They have a global presence in much
> > more than magnet therapy.
> >
> > https://www.nikken.com/na/
> >
> > On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 5:51 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Do not forget tinfoil hat and copper bracelet.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 09/05/2019 4:48 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> So how are the magnets supposed to help? I’m curious. And do they have
> >> to be some sort of special magnets? You mentioned a type or brand?
> >>>
> >>> "While this idea may sound plausible because blood contains iron and
> >> magnets attract iron, the iron in blood is bound to hemoglobin and is
> not
> >> ferromagnetic (that permanent kind of magnetism that keeps magnets on a
> >> refrigerator, for example). If blood was ferromagnetic, you would
> >> essentially blow up when undergoing an MRI scan, in which the magnets
> used
> >> are thousands of times more powerful than those incorporated into
> magnetic
> >> bracelets and the like, according to an article by Dr. Bruce Flamm, a
> >> clinical professor of obstetrics and gynecology at the University of
> >> California, Irvine.”
> >>>
> >>> Live Science
> >>>
> >>> -D
> >>>
> >>>
>  On May 9, 2019, at 5:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  Nobody except kooks and flat earthers recommend them but I am SOLD on
>  magnetic therapy anyway.  I figure there is at least a plausible
> reason
>  they might work (hemoglobin = iron).
> 
>  And by the way, the PT measured my knee range of motion and the
> repaired
>  leg is within 5 degrees of the good one (118 v. 113 deg.) so something
> >> is
>  working (my surgery was a little over 2 weeks ago).
> 
>  On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 12:42 AM archer75--- via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > Did your doctor prescribe magnetic therapy Andrew?
> > Gerry
> >
> > Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> >> I iced religiously to hasten healing of both L and R rotator cuff
> >> surgeries, along with using a Nikken magnet.  Currently icing
> lavishly
> > and
> >> using magnet on my partial right knee replacement.  Doc says I am
> WAY
> > ahead
> >> of schedule in terms of range of motion and lack of serious
> >> discomfort.
> >>
> >> GO ICE
> >> GO MAGNETS
> >>
> >> On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 2:08 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I read this and think of you
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >>
> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/08/wim-hof-cold-water-immersion-cure-ice-man-outdoor-swimming
> >>>
> >>> -
> >>> Max
> >>> Charleston SC
> >>> 

Re: [MBZ] OT Calling Tin Man Mao

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Thanks, Gerry!  My arthritic wrist condition is not related to healing a
wound so perhaps there is no efficacy

On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 11:48 PM archer75--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> It may be a little early to write off magnetic therapy, Andrew.
> It's been demonstrated that it works when applied to the brain; it's in
> regular use; the government has approved it; and health insurors will pay
> for it.
> There is a good bit of research pointing to its efficacy. It's use for
> wound healing and other medical issues continues. For example:
> ..
>
> The Effect of Magnetic Fields on Wound Healing
> Experimental Study and Review of the Literature
> Steven L Henry, MD, Matthew J Concannon, MD, and Gloria J Yee, MD
>
> Abstract
> Objective: Magnets are purported to aid wound healing despite a paucity of
> scientific evidence. The purpose of this study was to evaluate the effect
> of static magnetic fields on cutaneous wound healing in an animal model.
> The literature was reviewed to explore the historical and scientific basis
> of magnet therapy and to define its current role in the evidence-based
> practice of plastic surgery. Methods: Standardized wounds were created on
> the backs of 33 Sprague-Dawley rats, which were divided into 3 groups with
> either a 23 gauss magnet (group 1), a sham magnet (group 2), or nothing
> (group 3) positioned over the wound. The rate of wound closure by secondary
> intention was compared between the groups. Literature review was conducted
> through searches of PubMed and Ovid databases for articles pertinent to
> magnets and wound healing. Results: Wounds in the magnet group healed in an
> average of 15.3 days, significantly faster than those in either the sham
> group (20.9 days, P = .006) or control group (20.3 days, P < .0001). There
> was no statistically significant difference between the sham and control
> groups (P = .45). Conclusions: An externally applied, low-power, static
> magnetic field increases the rate of secondary healing. Review of the
> literature reveals conflicting evidence regarding the use of magnetic
> energy to aid the healing of bone, tendon, and skin. Level I studies are
> lacking and difficult to execute but are needed to define conclusively the
> role of magnets in clinical practice...snip
>
> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2490801/#idm139748731038320title
> ..
> Gerry
>
>
>  Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> > > >> Nobody except kooks and flat earthers recommend them but I am SOLD
> on
> > > >> magnetic therapy anyway.  I figure there is at least a plausible
> reason
> > > >> they might work (hemoglobin = iron).
> > > >>
> > > >> And by the way, the PT measured my knee range of motion and the
> repaired
> > > >> leg is within 5 degrees of the good one (118 v. 113 deg.) so
> something
> > > is
> > > >> working (my surgery was a little over 2 weeks ago).
> > > >>
> > > >> On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 12:42 AM archer75--- via Mercedes <
> > > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Did your doctor prescribe magnetic therapy Andrew?
> > > >>> Gerry
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> > >  I iced religiously to hasten healing of both L and R rotator cuff
> > >  surgeries, along with using a Nikken magnet.  Currently icing
> lavishly
> > > >>> and
> > >  using magnet on my partial right knee replacement.  Doc says I am
> WAY
> > > >>> ahead
> > >  of schedule in terms of range of motion and lack of serious
> > > discomfort.
> > > 
> > >  GO ICE
> > >  GO MAGNETS
> > > 
> > >  On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 2:08 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> > >  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > I read this and think of you
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>>
> > >
> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/08/wim-hof-cold-water-immersion-cure-ice-man-outdoor-swimming
> > > >
> > > > -
> > > > Max
> > > > Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] OT Calling Tin Man Mao

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It may be a little early to write off magnetic therapy, Andrew.
It's been demonstrated that it works when applied to the brain; it's in regular 
use; the government has approved it; and health insurors will pay for it.
There is a good bit of research pointing to its efficacy. It's use for wound 
healing and other medical issues continues. For example:
..

The Effect of Magnetic Fields on Wound Healing
Experimental Study and Review of the Literature
Steven L Henry, MD, Matthew J Concannon, MD, and Gloria J Yee, MD

Abstract
Objective: Magnets are purported to aid wound healing despite a paucity of 
scientific evidence. The purpose of this study was to evaluate the effect of 
static magnetic fields on cutaneous wound healing in an animal model. The 
literature was reviewed to explore the historical and scientific basis of 
magnet therapy and to define its current role in the evidence-based practice of 
plastic surgery. Methods: Standardized wounds were created on the backs of 33 
Sprague-Dawley rats, which were divided into 3 groups with either a 23 gauss 
magnet (group 1), a sham magnet (group 2), or nothing (group 3) positioned over 
the wound. The rate of wound closure by secondary intention was compared 
between the groups. Literature review was conducted through searches of PubMed 
and Ovid databases for articles pertinent to magnets and wound healing. 
Results: Wounds in the magnet group healed in an average of 15.3 days, 
significantly faster than those in either the sham group (20.9 days, P = .006) 
or control group (20.3 days, P < .0001). There was no statistically significant 
difference between the sham and control groups (P = .45). Conclusions: An 
externally applied, low-power, static magnetic field increases the rate of 
secondary healing. Review of the literature reveals conflicting evidence 
regarding the use of magnetic energy to aid the healing of bone, tendon, and 
skin. Level I studies are lacking and difficult to execute but are needed to 
define conclusively the role of magnets in clinical practice...snip
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2490801/#idm139748731038320title
..
Gerry


 Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> > >> Nobody except kooks and flat earthers recommend them but I am SOLD on
> > >> magnetic therapy anyway.  I figure there is at least a plausible reason
> > >> they might work (hemoglobin = iron).
> > >>
> > >> And by the way, the PT measured my knee range of motion and the repaired
> > >> leg is within 5 degrees of the good one (118 v. 113 deg.) so something
> > is
> > >> working (my surgery was a little over 2 weeks ago).
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 12:42 AM archer75--- via Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Did your doctor prescribe magnetic therapy Andrew?
> > >>> Gerry
> > >>>
> > >>> Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> >  I iced religiously to hasten healing of both L and R rotator cuff
> >  surgeries, along with using a Nikken magnet.  Currently icing lavishly
> > >>> and
> >  using magnet on my partial right knee replacement.  Doc says I am WAY
> > >>> ahead
> >  of schedule in terms of range of motion and lack of serious
> > discomfort.
> > 
> >  GO ICE
> >  GO MAGNETS
> > 
> >  On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 2:08 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> >  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > I read this and think of you
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>>
> > https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/08/wim-hof-cold-water-immersion-cure-ice-man-outdoor-swimming
> > >
> > > -
> > > Max
> > > Charleston SC
> > > ___

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Re: [MBZ] OT Calling Tin Man Mao

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

OTOH, I have been wearing a magnetic bracelet for my arthritic wrist and if
anything, the pain is WORSE than before.

On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 6:30 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Exactly. There was a good segment on placebo research on Morning Edition
> this morning. It was pretty cool, as the researchers found that even
> telling the patients they were getting placebos still resulted in them
> feeling better. I think it’s a series they’re running, as I heard another
> spot on the same thing earlier in the week.
>
>
> https://www.npr.org/2019/05/09/721685197/placebos-may-be-a-powerful-tool-that-medicine-has-overlooked
>
> There was a doctor (orthopedic surgeon) who did a study on patients with
> arthritic knee pain. One group got surgery, the other got nothing, but went
> through a “mock surgery” with an incision and OR activity for the same
> length of time that the actual surgery would have taken. He even went so
> far as to run a videotape of the surgery in the OR for the patient to watch
> as if they were the ones being operated on.
>
> The placebo group reported as good or better results than the patients who
> actually had the surgery.
>
> He reported his findings to the orthopedic community and it just pissed
> off his peers, mainly because it was the most common operation many of them
> were performing….
>
> -D
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 9, 2019, at 6:04 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Even if it's the power of placebo the results are what matters. If it
> works for you that's good for you.
> > Curt
> >
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >
> >  On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 6:01 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:   I believed
> in them, and they worked, although this was not a controlled
> > experiment.  I may just heal quickly.
> >
> > Nikken is the leading manufacturer.  They have a global presence in much
> > more than magnet therapy.
> >
> > https://www.nikken.com/na/
> >
> > On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 5:51 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Do not forget tinfoil hat and copper bracelet.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 09/05/2019 4:48 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> So how are the magnets supposed to help? I’m curious. And do they have
> >> to be some sort of special magnets? You mentioned a type or brand?
> >>>
> >>> "While this idea may sound plausible because blood contains iron and
> >> magnets attract iron, the iron in blood is bound to hemoglobin and is
> not
> >> ferromagnetic (that permanent kind of magnetism that keeps magnets on a
> >> refrigerator, for example). If blood was ferromagnetic, you would
> >> essentially blow up when undergoing an MRI scan, in which the magnets
> used
> >> are thousands of times more powerful than those incorporated into
> magnetic
> >> bracelets and the like, according to an article by Dr. Bruce Flamm, a
> >> clinical professor of obstetrics and gynecology at the University of
> >> California, Irvine.”
> >>>
> >>> Live Science
> >>>
> >>> -D
> >>>
> >>>
>  On May 9, 2019, at 5:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  Nobody except kooks and flat earthers recommend them but I am SOLD on
>  magnetic therapy anyway.  I figure there is at least a plausible
> reason
>  they might work (hemoglobin = iron).
> 
>  And by the way, the PT measured my knee range of motion and the
> repaired
>  leg is within 5 degrees of the good one (118 v. 113 deg.) so something
> >> is
>  working (my surgery was a little over 2 weeks ago).
> 
>  On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 12:42 AM archer75--- via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > Did your doctor prescribe magnetic therapy Andrew?
> > Gerry
> >
> > Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> >> I iced religiously to hasten healing of both L and R rotator cuff
> >> surgeries, along with using a Nikken magnet.  Currently icing
> lavishly
> > and
> >> using magnet on my partial right knee replacement.  Doc says I am
> WAY
> > ahead
> >> of schedule in terms of range of motion and lack of serious
> >> discomfort.
> >>
> >> GO ICE
> >> GO MAGNETS
> >>
> >> On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 2:08 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I read this and think of you
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >>
> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/08/wim-hof-cold-water-immersion-cure-ice-man-outdoor-swimming
> >>>
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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Exactly. There was a good segment on placebo research on Morning Edition this 
morning. It was pretty cool, as the researchers found that even telling the 
patients they were getting placebos still resulted in them feeling better. I 
think it’s a series they’re running, as I heard another spot on the same thing 
earlier in the week.

https://www.npr.org/2019/05/09/721685197/placebos-may-be-a-powerful-tool-that-medicine-has-overlooked

There was a doctor (orthopedic surgeon) who did a study on patients with 
arthritic knee pain. One group got surgery, the other got nothing, but went 
through a “mock surgery” with an incision and OR activity for the same length 
of time that the actual surgery would have taken. He even went so far as to run 
a videotape of the surgery in the OR for the patient to watch as if they were 
the ones being operated on.

The placebo group reported as good or better results than the patients who 
actually had the surgery.

He reported his findings to the orthopedic community and it just pissed off his 
peers, mainly because it was the most common operation many of them were 
performing….

-D





> On May 9, 2019, at 6:04 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Even if it's the power of placebo the results are what matters. If it works 
> for you that's good for you.
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> 
>  On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 6:01 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via 
> Mercedesmailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:   I 
> believed in them, and they worked, although this was not a controlled
> experiment.  I may just heal quickly.
> 
> Nikken is the leading manufacturer.  They have a global presence in much
> more than magnet therapy.
> 
> https://www.nikken.com/na/
> 
> On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 5:51 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Do not forget tinfoil hat and copper bracelet.
>> 
>> 
>> On 09/05/2019 4:48 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>>> So how are the magnets supposed to help? I’m curious. And do they have
>> to be some sort of special magnets? You mentioned a type or brand?
>>> 
>>> "While this idea may sound plausible because blood contains iron and
>> magnets attract iron, the iron in blood is bound to hemoglobin and is not
>> ferromagnetic (that permanent kind of magnetism that keeps magnets on a
>> refrigerator, for example). If blood was ferromagnetic, you would
>> essentially blow up when undergoing an MRI scan, in which the magnets used
>> are thousands of times more powerful than those incorporated into magnetic
>> bracelets and the like, according to an article by Dr. Bruce Flamm, a
>> clinical professor of obstetrics and gynecology at the University of
>> California, Irvine.”
>>> 
>>> Live Science
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>> 
 On May 9, 2019, at 5:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 Nobody except kooks and flat earthers recommend them but I am SOLD on
 magnetic therapy anyway.  I figure there is at least a plausible reason
 they might work (hemoglobin = iron).
 
 And by the way, the PT measured my knee range of motion and the repaired
 leg is within 5 degrees of the good one (118 v. 113 deg.) so something
>> is
 working (my surgery was a little over 2 weeks ago).
 
 On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 12:42 AM archer75--- via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
> Did your doctor prescribe magnetic therapy Andrew?
> Gerry
> 
> Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>> I iced religiously to hasten healing of both L and R rotator cuff
>> surgeries, along with using a Nikken magnet.  Currently icing lavishly
> and
>> using magnet on my partial right knee replacement.  Doc says I am WAY
> ahead
>> of schedule in terms of range of motion and lack of serious
>> discomfort.
>> 
>> GO ICE
>> GO MAGNETS
>> 
>> On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 2:08 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I read this and think of you
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
> 
>> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/08/wim-hof-cold-water-immersion-cure-ice-man-outdoor-swimming
>>> 
>>> -
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Re: [MBZ] OT Calling Tin Man Mao

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Even if it's the power of placebo the results are what matters. If it works for 
you that's good for you.
Curt

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 6:01 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via 
Mercedes wrote:   I believed in them, and they worked, 
although this was not a controlled
experiment.  I may just heal quickly.

Nikken is the leading manufacturer.  They have a global presence in much
more than magnet therapy.

https://www.nikken.com/na/

On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 5:51 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Do not forget tinfoil hat and copper bracelet.
>
>
> On 09/05/2019 4:48 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> > So how are the magnets supposed to help? I’m curious. And do they have
> to be some sort of special magnets? You mentioned a type or brand?
> >
> > "While this idea may sound plausible because blood contains iron and
> magnets attract iron, the iron in blood is bound to hemoglobin and is not
> ferromagnetic (that permanent kind of magnetism that keeps magnets on a
> refrigerator, for example). If blood was ferromagnetic, you would
> essentially blow up when undergoing an MRI scan, in which the magnets used
> are thousands of times more powerful than those incorporated into magnetic
> bracelets and the like, according to an article by Dr. Bruce Flamm, a
> clinical professor of obstetrics and gynecology at the University of
> California, Irvine.”
> >
> > Live Science
> >
> > -D
> >
> >
> >> On May 9, 2019, at 5:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Nobody except kooks and flat earthers recommend them but I am SOLD on
> >> magnetic therapy anyway.  I figure there is at least a plausible reason
> >> they might work (hemoglobin = iron).
> >>
> >> And by the way, the PT measured my knee range of motion and the repaired
> >> leg is within 5 degrees of the good one (118 v. 113 deg.) so something
> is
> >> working (my surgery was a little over 2 weeks ago).
> >>
> >> On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 12:42 AM archer75--- via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Did your doctor prescribe magnetic therapy Andrew?
> >>> Gerry
> >>>
> >>> Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>  I iced religiously to hasten healing of both L and R rotator cuff
>  surgeries, along with using a Nikken magnet.  Currently icing lavishly
> >>> and
>  using magnet on my partial right knee replacement.  Doc says I am WAY
> >>> ahead
>  of schedule in terms of range of motion and lack of serious
> discomfort.
> 
>  GO ICE
>  GO MAGNETS
> 
>  On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 2:08 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > I read this and think of you
> >
> >
> >
> >>>
> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/08/wim-hof-cold-water-immersion-cure-ice-man-outdoor-swimming
> >
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
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[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I believed in them, and they worked, although this was not a controlled
experiment.  I may just heal quickly.

Nikken is the leading manufacturer.  They have a global presence in much
more than magnet therapy.

https://www.nikken.com/na/

On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 5:51 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Do not forget tinfoil hat and copper bracelet.
>
>
> On 09/05/2019 4:48 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> > So how are the magnets supposed to help? I’m curious. And do they have
> to be some sort of special magnets? You mentioned a type or brand?
> >
> > "While this idea may sound plausible because blood contains iron and
> magnets attract iron, the iron in blood is bound to hemoglobin and is not
> ferromagnetic (that permanent kind of magnetism that keeps magnets on a
> refrigerator, for example). If blood was ferromagnetic, you would
> essentially blow up when undergoing an MRI scan, in which the magnets used
> are thousands of times more powerful than those incorporated into magnetic
> bracelets and the like, according to an article by Dr. Bruce Flamm, a
> clinical professor of obstetrics and gynecology at the University of
> California, Irvine.”
> >
> > Live Science
> >
> > -D
> >
> >
> >> On May 9, 2019, at 5:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Nobody except kooks and flat earthers recommend them but I am SOLD on
> >> magnetic therapy anyway.  I figure there is at least a plausible reason
> >> they might work (hemoglobin = iron).
> >>
> >> And by the way, the PT measured my knee range of motion and the repaired
> >> leg is within 5 degrees of the good one (118 v. 113 deg.) so something
> is
> >> working (my surgery was a little over 2 weeks ago).
> >>
> >> On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 12:42 AM archer75--- via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Did your doctor prescribe magnetic therapy Andrew?
> >>> Gerry
> >>>
> >>> Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>  I iced religiously to hasten healing of both L and R rotator cuff
>  surgeries, along with using a Nikken magnet.  Currently icing lavishly
> >>> and
>  using magnet on my partial right knee replacement.  Doc says I am WAY
> >>> ahead
>  of schedule in terms of range of motion and lack of serious
> discomfort.
> 
>  GO ICE
>  GO MAGNETS
> 
>  On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 2:08 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > I read this and think of you
> >
> >
> >
> >>>
> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/08/wim-hof-cold-water-immersion-cure-ice-man-outdoor-swimming
> >
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
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[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Do not forget tinfoil hat and copper bracelet.


On 09/05/2019 4:48 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

So how are the magnets supposed to help? I’m curious. And do they have to be 
some sort of special magnets? You mentioned a type or brand?

"While this idea may sound plausible because blood contains iron and magnets 
attract iron, the iron in blood is bound to hemoglobin and is not ferromagnetic 
(that permanent kind of magnetism that keeps magnets on a refrigerator, for 
example). If blood was ferromagnetic, you would essentially blow up when undergoing 
an MRI scan, in which the magnets used are thousands of times more powerful than 
those incorporated into magnetic bracelets and the like, according to an article by 
Dr. Bruce Flamm, a clinical professor of obstetrics and gynecology at the University 
of California, Irvine.”

Live Science

-D



On May 9, 2019, at 5:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Nobody except kooks and flat earthers recommend them but I am SOLD on
magnetic therapy anyway.  I figure there is at least a plausible reason
they might work (hemoglobin = iron).

And by the way, the PT measured my knee range of motion and the repaired
leg is within 5 degrees of the good one (118 v. 113 deg.) so something is
working (my surgery was a little over 2 weeks ago).

On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 12:42 AM archer75--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Did your doctor prescribe magnetic therapy Andrew?
Gerry

Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

I iced religiously to hasten healing of both L and R rotator cuff
surgeries, along with using a Nikken magnet.  Currently icing lavishly

and

using magnet on my partial right knee replacement.  Doc says I am WAY

ahead

of schedule in terms of range of motion and lack of serious discomfort.

GO ICE
GO MAGNETS

On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 2:08 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


I read this and think of you




https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/08/wim-hof-cold-water-immersion-cure-ice-man-outdoor-swimming


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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

So how are the magnets supposed to help? I’m curious. And do they have to be 
some sort of special magnets? You mentioned a type or brand?

"While this idea may sound plausible because blood contains iron and magnets 
attract iron, the iron in blood is bound to hemoglobin and is not ferromagnetic 
(that permanent kind of magnetism that keeps magnets on a refrigerator, for 
example). If blood was ferromagnetic, you would essentially blow up when 
undergoing an MRI scan, in which the magnets used are thousands of times more 
powerful than those incorporated into magnetic bracelets and the like, 
according to an article by Dr. Bruce Flamm, a clinical professor of obstetrics 
and gynecology at the University of California, Irvine.”

Live Science 

-D


> On May 9, 2019, at 5:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Nobody except kooks and flat earthers recommend them but I am SOLD on
> magnetic therapy anyway.  I figure there is at least a plausible reason
> they might work (hemoglobin = iron).
> 
> And by the way, the PT measured my knee range of motion and the repaired
> leg is within 5 degrees of the good one (118 v. 113 deg.) so something is
> working (my surgery was a little over 2 weeks ago).
> 
> On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 12:42 AM archer75--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Did your doctor prescribe magnetic therapy Andrew?
>> Gerry
>> 
>> Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>>> I iced religiously to hasten healing of both L and R rotator cuff
>>> surgeries, along with using a Nikken magnet.  Currently icing lavishly
>> and
>>> using magnet on my partial right knee replacement.  Doc says I am WAY
>> ahead
>>> of schedule in terms of range of motion and lack of serious discomfort.
>>> 
>>> GO ICE
>>> GO MAGNETS
>>> 
>>> On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 2:08 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 I read this and think of you
 
 
 
>> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/08/wim-hof-cold-water-immersion-cure-ice-man-outdoor-swimming
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Calling Tin Man Mao

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Nobody except kooks and flat earthers recommend them but I am SOLD on
magnetic therapy anyway.  I figure there is at least a plausible reason
they might work (hemoglobin = iron).

And by the way, the PT measured my knee range of motion and the repaired
leg is within 5 degrees of the good one (118 v. 113 deg.) so something is
working (my surgery was a little over 2 weeks ago).

On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 12:42 AM archer75--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Did your doctor prescribe magnetic therapy Andrew?
> Gerry
>
> Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> > I iced religiously to hasten healing of both L and R rotator cuff
> > surgeries, along with using a Nikken magnet.  Currently icing lavishly
> and
> > using magnet on my partial right knee replacement.  Doc says I am WAY
> ahead
> > of schedule in terms of range of motion and lack of serious discomfort.
> >
> > GO ICE
> > GO MAGNETS
> >
> > On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 2:08 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I read this and think of you
> > >
> > >
> > >
> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/08/wim-hof-cold-water-immersion-cure-ice-man-outdoor-swimming
> > >
> > >
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Did your doctor prescribe magnetic therapy Andrew?  
Gerry

Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> I iced religiously to hasten healing of both L and R rotator cuff
> surgeries, along with using a Nikken magnet.  Currently icing lavishly and
> using magnet on my partial right knee replacement.  Doc says I am WAY ahead
> of schedule in terms of range of motion and lack of serious discomfort.
> 
> GO ICE
> GO MAGNETS
> 
> On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 2:08 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > I read this and think of you
> >
> >
> > https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/08/wim-hof-cold-water-immersion-cure-ice-man-outdoor-swimming
> >
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We have Professor Popsicle.

*https://tinyurl.com/y38r2yog*
*
*

On 08/05/2019 1:06 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

I read this and think of you

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I iced religiously to hasten healing of both L and R rotator cuff
surgeries, along with using a Nikken magnet.  Currently icing lavishly and
using magnet on my partial right knee replacement.  Doc says I am WAY ahead
of schedule in terms of range of motion and lack of serious discomfort.

GO ICE
GO MAGNETS

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> I read this and think of you
>
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/08/wim-hof-cold-water-immersion-cure-ice-man-outdoor-swimming
>
>
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I read this and think of you

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