Re: [MBZ] OT Words to the wise, or not for the wise

2015-04-02 Thread WILTON
Well, he's in England this weekend to meet girlfriend's parents. Wilton - Original Message - From: roger...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Words to the wise, or not for the wise Wilton, I

Re: [MBZ] OT Words to the wise, or not for the wise

2015-04-01 Thread rogerhga
Wilton,    I hear Paris is a great place for international affairs :-)  Hope he does really good there before returning.  I wonder if we can change the subject of this discussion IF it's going to continue.  It seems we passed the wise point several digests ago. Best Wishes from a

Re: [MBZ] OT Words to the wise, or not for the wise

2015-03-31 Thread clay
My boys went to parish school. Last years they attended, they held Holiday Concerts. This Sunday is the beginning of Spring Break. There are religion classes and the padre goes about anointing the kids. Not all the kids are catholic... clay On Mar 31, 2015, at 1:50 PM, Randy Bennell

Re: [MBZ] OT Words to the wise, or not for the wise

2015-03-31 Thread WILTON
parents/grandparents. Wilton - Original Message - From: clay redgh...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Words to the wise, or not for the wise My boys went to parish school. Last years

Re: [MBZ] OT Words to the wise, or not for the wise

2015-03-31 Thread Scott Ritchey
And the likes of Sharpton and Jackson have honed it to a fine art not to mention a living. -Original Message- From: Curly McLain Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 4:54 PM ... Extortion, along with a lot of other things, was legalized in the USA by Billy Bob. Da Justis Brothers

Re: [MBZ] OT Words to the wise, or not for the wise

2015-03-31 Thread clay
So, #1 boy was telling me Arkansas today passed the same sort of law as indiana. How was he to know if a customer were one of the groups he could discriminate against? Are we to go back to Nazi flavor marking of the offender? Maybe toss some pink triangles or yellow stars, maybe green

Re: [MBZ] OT Words to the wise, or not for the wise

2015-03-31 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Words to the wise, or not for the wise My boys went to parish school. Last years they attended, they held Holiday Concerts. This Sunday is the beginning of Spring Break. There are religion classes and the padre goes about

Re: [MBZ] OT Words to the wise, or not for the wise

2015-03-31 Thread Meade Dillon
There was a big kerfuffle when I was in college back in late 80's, Madison WI. Gay community was pushing hard for city legislation to protect them from discrimination in housing (private apartment rentals). Went on for over a year, then one of the college paper reporters visited the HQ of the

Re: [MBZ] OT Words to the wise, or not for the wise

2015-03-31 Thread Randy Bennell
On 28/03/2015 10:39 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: Its all good fun until you are the one discriminated against. If a gay bakery refused to make Christian wedding cakes there would, if you'll excuse the expression, be hell to pay. Curt But, it is likely ok if gay folks refuse to patronize your

Re: [MBZ] OT Words to the wise, or not for the wise

2015-03-31 Thread Curly McLain
On 28/03/2015 10:39 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: Its all good fun until you are the one discriminated against. If a gay bakery refused to make Christian wedding cakes there would, if you'll excuse the expression, be hell to pay. Curt But, it is likely ok if gay folks refuse to patronize your

Re: [MBZ] OT Words to the wise, or not for the wise

2015-03-31 Thread Randy Bennell
On 31/03/2015 2:33 PM, Meade Dillon wrote: There was a big kerfuffle when I was in college back in late 80's, Madison WI. Gay community was pushing hard for city legislation to protect them from discrimination in housing (private apartment rentals). Went on for over a year, then one of the

Re: [MBZ] OT Words to the wise, or not for the wise

2015-03-31 Thread Randy Bennell
On 31/03/2015 2:14 PM, Curly McLain wrote: On 28/03/2015 10:39 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: Its all good fun until you are the one discriminated against. If a gay bakery refused to make Christian wedding cakes there would, if you'll excuse the expression, be hell to pay. Curt But, it is likely

Re: [MBZ] OT Words to the wise, or not for the wise

2015-03-31 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
Perhaps because their choices were limited? On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 3:33 PM, Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote: There was a big kerfuffle when I was in college back in late 80's, Madison WI. Gay community was pushing hard for city legislation to protect them from discrimination in

Re: [MBZ] OT Words to the wise, or not for the wise

2015-03-31 Thread Curly McLain
Not sure why that should be necessary. If they don't wave red flags identifying themselves as gay, then most people would not know or likely care. Unfortunately there are too many who deliberately draw attention to the fact that they are gay and then look for opportunities to claim they are

Re: [MBZ] OT Words to the wise, or not for the wise

2015-03-31 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
Sort of like Christians who demand to lead prayers at graduatons and the like, imposing their views on non-Christians. On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Not sure why that should be necessary. If they don't wave red flags identifying themselves as gay,

Re: [MBZ] OT Words to the wise, or not for the wise

2015-03-31 Thread Randy Bennell
Not sure why that should be necessary. If they don't wave red flags identifying themselves as gay, then most people would not know or likely care. Unfortunately there are too many who deliberately draw attention to the fact that they are gay and then look for opportunities to claim they are

Re: [MBZ] OT Words to the wise, or not for the wise

2015-03-31 Thread Randy Bennell
The tables have turned here. Our schools no longer have Christmas Concerts with Christmas Carols by the kiddies because we might offend the Muslim kids and their parents. RB On 31/03/2015 3:44 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Sort of like Christians who demand to lead prayers at graduatons and

Re: [MBZ] OT Words to the wise, or not for the wise

2015-03-31 Thread G Mann
There is an old joke that the most deadly food known to man is wedding cake.. I know it pays a lot of bills for divorce lawyers after being eaten. Can't imagine what all the fuss is about.. Perhaps I really am an insensitive SOB like the 13 ex wives claimed.. ;)) On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 1:37

Re: [MBZ] OT Words to the wise, or not for the wise

2015-03-31 Thread Randy Bennell
On 31/03/2015 3:45 PM, G Mann wrote: There is an old joke that the most deadly food known to man is wedding cake.. I know it pays a lot of bills for divorce lawyers after being eaten. Can't imagine what all the fuss is about.. Perhaps I really am an insensitive SOB like the 13 ex wives

Re: [MBZ] OT Words to the wise, or not for the wise

2015-03-29 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
Factually correct. You got a problem with that? On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 8:41 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: But, But, But Our POTUS has spoken, and I quote, This is not a Christian nation... eeehhh.. how could he be wrong?? On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Andrew Strasfogel

Re: [MBZ] OT Words to the wise, or not for the wise

2015-03-28 Thread Mitch Haley
Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Also, Christians are hardly a minority... Yes, refusing service to a majority of your customers is not the way to stay in business. OTOH, I'm not sure that Christians represent a 50% majority these days. Mitch. ___

Re: [MBZ] OT Words to the wise, or not for the wise

2015-03-28 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
Thanks, Gerry. On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 6:55 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Also, Christians are hardly a minority... Yes, refusing service to a majority of your customers is not the way to stay in business. OTOH, I'm not sure

Re: [MBZ] OT Words to the wise, or not for the wise

2015-03-28 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
Interesting point. It depends on how you define the term... On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 6:38 PM, Mitch Haley mi...@mitchellhaley.com wrote: Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Also, Christians are hardly a minority... Yes, refusing service to a majority of your customers is not the way to stay in

Re: [MBZ] OT Words to the wise, or not for the wise

2015-03-28 Thread G Mann
But, But, But Our POTUS has spoken, and I quote, This is not a Christian nation... eeehhh.. how could he be wrong?? On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, Gerry. On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 6:55 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com

Re: [MBZ] OT Words to the wise, or not for the wise

2015-03-28 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
Also, Christians are hardly a minority... On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 4:11 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sat, 28 Mar 2015 08:39:54 -0700 Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Its all good fun until you are the one discriminated against. If a gay bakery refused to make

Re: [MBZ] OT Words to the wise, or not for the wise

2015-03-28 Thread arche...@embarqmail.com
Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Also, Christians are hardly a minority... Yes, refusing service to a majority of your customers is not the way to stay in business. OTOH, I'm not sure that Christians represent a 50% majority these days. Mitch. ___ As of

Re: [MBZ] OT Words to the wise, or not for the wise

2015-03-28 Thread Craig
On Sat, 28 Mar 2015 08:39:54 -0700 Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Its all good fun until you are the one discriminated against. If a gay bakery refused to make Christian wedding cakes there would, if you'll excuse the expression, be hell to pay. Not so. There are plenty of bakeries.

Re: [MBZ] OT Words to the wise, or not for the wise

2015-03-28 Thread Curt Raymond
Its all good fun until you are the one discriminated against. If a gay bakery refused to make Christian wedding cakes there would, if you'll excuse the expression, be hell to pay. Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search

Re: [MBZ] OT Words to the wise, or not for the wise

2015-03-27 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
Indiana - we're not just for everyone anymore. On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 3:29 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: But if you're a business owner in Indiana you're now welcome to refuse service to them. Dan sad to be a native Hoosier today Sent from my iPad On Mar 26, 2015, at 4:57 PM,

Re: [MBZ] OT Words to the wise, or not for the wise

2015-03-27 Thread Rich Thomas
Hoosier mamas? Hoosier daddies? --R (sent from my miniPad) On Mar 27, 2015, at 3:33 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Indiana - we're not just for everyone anymore. On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 3:29 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: But if you're a business owner in

Re: [MBZ] OT Words to the wise, or not for the wise

2015-03-27 Thread Dan Penoff
But if you're a business owner in Indiana you're now welcome to refuse service to them. Dan sad to be a native Hoosier today Sent from my iPad On Mar 26, 2015, at 4:57 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: By definition there can be no token sexist females or sexist

Re: [MBZ] OT Words to the wise, or not for the wise

2015-03-27 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
Hoosier Heteroes. On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Hoosier mamas? Hoosier daddies? --R (sent from my miniPad) On Mar 27, 2015, at 3:33 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Indiana - we're not just for everyone

Re: [MBZ] OT Words to the wise, or not for the wise

2015-03-27 Thread Rich Thomas
Well played. --R (sent from my miniPad) On Mar 27, 2015, at 4:05 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Hoosier Heteroes. On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Hoosier mamas? Hoosier daddies? --R (sent from my miniPad)

Re: [MBZ] OT Words to the wise, or not for the wise

2015-03-27 Thread Peter Frederick
In spite of rather testy protestations from Gov. Pence, the statute is completely non-specific except that one cannot place an undue burden on a business or religious organization in prohibiting full expression of their strongly held religious beliefs. Nothing at all about protecting

Re: [MBZ] OT Words to the wise, or not for the wise

2015-03-27 Thread WILTON
I'm assuming you mean bull as in BS. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 6:05 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Words to the wise, or not for the wise In spite of rather

Re: [MBZ] OT Words to the wise, or not for the wise

2015-03-27 Thread Rick Knoble
‎A lot of folks are up in arms over the new law that Governor Pence signed into law recently. The first such national law was signed by none other than Bill Clinton (D). Here is an article that separates the truth from the hype. Please read it before you get your panties in a twist.  BTW, there

Re: [MBZ] OT Words to the wise, or not for the wise

2015-03-27 Thread Peter Frederick
Absolutely Wilton. Or as in Bull in a China Shop There are always people looking for a way to avoid following the law, giving them a quasi-legitimate excuse sure isn't going to improve things. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] OT Words to the wise, or not for the wise

2015-03-27 Thread Dan Penoff
True, there are roughly 20 other states with similar laws on the books. In general, it's not so bad, but the real issue is that it allows a small subgroup of the population to use the law in a way that it was not intended. There is plenty about this abuse in the various articles you can

Re: [MBZ] OT Words to the wise, or not for the wise

2015-03-27 Thread Curly McLain
Right on, Curly. Rs NEVER sue anybody. Real people seldom sue anyone frivolously ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] OT Words to the wise, or not for the wise

2015-03-27 Thread Mitch Haley
Dan Penoff wrote: The wife and I were walking around at a local mall there and saw a bi-racial couple. We remarked to ourselves that when we had been living there previously this couple wouldn't have been out in public like this for fear of personal harm, or at least some verbal abuse and

Re: [MBZ] OT Words to the wise, or not for the wise

2015-03-27 Thread Rick Knoble
‎Food for thought.   My usual attire usually consists of jeans, t shirt, tennis shoes, and occasionally a leather jacket. That's me. If I attend a wake, or a wedding, or a church service, that's what I'll be wearing. I may even put on clean clothing. Maybe.  If I attempt to get service at

Re: [MBZ] OT Words to the wise, or not for the wise

2015-03-27 Thread Curly McLain
Food for thought. My usual attire usually consists of jeans, t shirt, tennis shoes, and occasionally a leather jacket. That's me. If I attend a wake, or a wedding, or a church service, that's what I'll be wearing. I may even put on clean clothing. Maybe. If I attempt to get service at one

Re: [MBZ] OT Words to the wise, or not for the wise

2015-03-27 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
Right on, Curly. Rs NEVER sue anybody. On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 11:09 PM, Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Food for thought. My usual attire usually consists of jeans, t shirt, tennis shoes, and occasionally a leather jacket. That's me. If I attend a wake, or a wedding, or a church

Re: [MBZ] OT Words to the wise, or not for the wise

2015-03-27 Thread rogerhga
Rick,   Careful now, you're trying to add some possibly common sense to a discussion that already has panties and shorts twisted severely.    Guys, I came out of the '60s where everyone wanted to be free to do whatever they wanted, even if it was at someone else's expense.  Now, try

Re: [MBZ] OT Words to the wise, or not for the wise

2015-03-27 Thread Curly McLain
On Sat, 28 Mar 2015 00:45:11 + (UTC) roger...@comcast.net wrote: It seems that some of you are inferring, loudly and humorously, that a business owner should have to put up with anything and everything to own a business. Personally, I don't think so, but that's just my opinion. If you

Re: [MBZ] OT Words to the wise, or not for the wise

2015-03-27 Thread Craig
On Sat, 28 Mar 2015 00:45:11 + (UTC) roger...@comcast.net wrote: It seems that some of you are inferring, loudly and humorously, that a business owner should have to put up with anything and everything to own a business.  Personally, I don't think so, but that's just my opinion.  If you

[MBZ] OT Words to the wise, or not for the wise

2015-03-26 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
Given it is a slow Benz day, and I think we are all in need of continuing education unrelated to plane crashes and Ted Cruz, I offer this for your consideration. I am providing a public service announcement to make you all aware of the pervasive problem of coded sexism. Yes, for those

Re: [MBZ] OT Words to the wise, or not for the wise

2015-03-26 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
What about preposterous and mandatory? On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:25 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Given it is a slow Benz day, and I think we are all in need of continuing education unrelated to plane crashes and Ted Cruz, I offer this for your consideration.

Re: [MBZ] OT Words to the wise, or not for the wise

2015-03-26 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
On 26/03/2015 3:48 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: Given it is a slow Benz day, and I think we are all in need of continuing education unrelated to plane crashes and Ted Cruz, I offer this for your consideration. I am providing a public service announcement to make

Re: [MBZ] OT Words to the wise, or not for the wise

2015-03-26 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes
Rich Thomas wrote: Given it is a slow Benz day, and I think we are all in need of continuing education unrelated to plane crashes and Ted Cruz, I offer this for your consideration. I am providing a public service announcement to make you all aware of the pervasive problem of

Re: [MBZ] OT Words to the wise, or not for the wise

2015-03-26 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
Clearly these are preliminary findings and more research is required to expand the language of coded sexism (or perhaps, more accurately, coded genderism). I'm sure we will learn more over the next few months. --R On 3/26/15 3:48 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: What about preposterous and

Re: [MBZ] OT Words to the wise, or not for the wise

2015-03-26 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
By definition there can be no token sexist females or sexist token females. Critical gender theory forbids it. --R On 3/26/15 4:48 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: Given it is a slow Benz day, and I think we are all in need of continuing education unrelated to plane