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From: Hendrik & Fay
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil Pressure Question
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My 89 300TE does this as well but only when hot (around the 100 mar
My 89 300TE does this as well but only when hot (around the 100 mark)
and 1bar at operating temp (just above 80).
Seeing this is a high K motor (380K klicks) I am not surprised and I may
go to higher viscosity oil before next summer.
Hendrik
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
yea, thats pretty typical.
It should drop to at least half on the gauge at hot idle. Or, just keep
driving it, whatever. It will be gone in a couple of weeks anyway.
Donald Snook wrote:
Larry wrote: "Kaleb's right - there's something wrong with the gauge or
sender"
I don't think that is correct. At least from th
Allan wrote: "I don't know if the M104 is "new" enough to qualify, but newer
engines do call for lighter oil. If you're running 15W40 in an engine that's
designed for 5W20 it will show high pressure."
According to the dealer (not that they are always right by any means), they say
that the MB r
I don't know if the M104 is "new" enough to qualify, but newer engines
do call for lighter oil. If you're running 15W40 in an engine that's
designed for 5W20 it will show high pressure.
Allan
Donald Snook writes:
> Larry wrote: "Kaleb's right - there's something wrong with the gauge or
> send
Larry wrote: "Kaleb's right - there's something wrong with the gauge or
sender"
I don't think that is correct. At least from the experience of Peter (who has
the same car with the same kind of oil). So, I think it might just be the M104
holds better oil pressure with the 15-40 in it. Plu
so any present can be detected
> during the lab work. So the analysis would not be very helpful.
>
> **BTW - I have the 94 E320 Owners Manual in pdf form if you'd like a
> copy?**
>
> HTHs
>
> LarryT
> '91 300D
>
> OilAnalysis Time?
> Looking for Web
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From: "Donald Snook"
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 1:33 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil Pressure Question
Mitch wrote: "It's permissible for the needle to drop when the oil is hot,
but I don't think
it did when the cars were
.
Oh and he'll only buy new...
-Curt
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 10:21:42 -0500
From: Rich Thomas To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil
Pressure Question
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My wife got on that whenever gas was up close
y care about
gas mileage (because he doesn't really travel) and wants some comfort but
doesn't care about "luxury" amenities.
Oh and he'll only buy new...
-Curt
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 10:21:42 -0500
From: Rich Thomas
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil Press
My wife got on that whenever gas was up close to $4, about the
Suburban. It's 10 yr old, paid for, ins and whatever is minimal, in
good shape, provides a lot of utility and sport, and yeah, it cost $100
to fill up then (every few weeks), but it is so far down on the
depreciation scale that gas
Rich Thomas wrote:
You know, you buy cheap older cars that cost less to buy, insure, etc.
and the cost of fuel is sort of irrelevant.
I used to say that about new SUVs and the price of gasoline. If your lease
payment is $450, and maintenance and insurance are $150 a month, does it really
matt
You know, you buy cheap older cars that cost less to buy, insure, etc.
and the cost of fuel is sort of irrelevant.
--R
On 3/5/2010 9:05 AM, Donald Snook wrote:
Randy wrote: "So, any idea what the fuel mileage is on your new car? How much extra
are you having to pay for premium fuel? Are you a
Randy wrote: "So, any idea what the fuel mileage is on your new car? How much
extra are you having to pay for premium fuel? Are you ahead or behind on a cost
per mile basis, compared to the Ford?"
I don't know what kind of mileage I am getting on my car. The tank was nearly
full when I bought
Ok Don wrote: "Hmmm - I was thinking about getting a 4WD vehicle for some photo
safaris - want to trade for a '91 300E? Seems pretty even to me"
Ok, IF you also have a Cashier's check in the glove box made out to me for
$6000. On second thought, since this is My wife's car and she loves it, jus
I have a 95 E320 wagon with about 100k miles now... for as long as I've
owned it (4 years, 30k miles) the oil pressure has been high as you
describe. Only when the engine is fully warmed after driving does the idle
oil pressure drop to about 2.5 bar. I run 0w40 mobil 1 at 7500 changes.
Perhaps i
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On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Donald Snook wrote:
> Mitch wrote: "Do you make fun of her for driving an incredibly ugly wagon
> that gets 13mpg on
> the highway?"
>
> I have been married for 11 years, so I am smarter than that! Actually, it
> does get about 17 mpg o
Hmmm - I was thinking about getting a 4WD vehicle for some photo safaris -
want to trade for a '91 300E? Seems pretty even to me
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Donald Snook wrote:
> Mitch wrote: "Do you make fun of her for driving an incredibly ugly wagon
> that gets 13mpg on
> the highway
Donald Snook wrote:
I need to replace the tires soon and I am not looking forward to spending $800
on it.
265/70R17?
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=General&tireModel=Grabber+HTS&partnum=67SR7GRHTS
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Kumho&tireModel=Road+Venture+
I've been using cheap 15w40 in my 240D as well. The 190D gets M1 5w40 changed
at 12,000 miles but the 240D leaks way too much for Mobil 1 to make any kind of
sense...
-Curt
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 20:11:04 -0600
From: Peter Hertzing
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil Pre
Mitch wrote: "Do you make fun of her for driving an incredibly ugly wagon that
gets 13mpg on
the highway?"
I have been married for 11 years, so I am smarter than that! Actually, it does
get about 17 mpg on the highway and she loves that big old SUV. It really is
still pretty nice. Leather an
cheap 1540 - like I have in all my cars. I kno we all talk alot abotu all
the expensive oils - but I have never had an engine wear out due to
excessive heat or "oil Viscosity breakdown" I just use a 1540 synthtic blend
availble at my local rural king for about 20 bucks per 2 gallon jug.
On Wed, Ma
No, the warning light never comes on. Yes, it's running Mobil1. If it looks
like I'm going to keep tha car, I'll send you a sample to analyze.
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:29 AM, LarryT wrote:
> The important part is where you said it "hit 3 bar at 1800 rpm" The book
> calls for max / pegged by 300
Larry wrote: "Hi Donald - IMHO, It's time to change it - at 11 months it's been
in there long
enough. There's also a possibility it's dino juice which may allow the
acids formed by combustion to start attacking the bearings and other soft
parts. 10W30 sounds like a good choice (300E, right?) - al
Donald Snook wrote:
The wagons are cool, I have always liked them. But, my wife said she would make fun of me, if I drove a wagon.
Do you make fun of her for driving an incredibly ugly wagon that gets 13mpg on
the highway?
Mitch.
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John R. wrote: "Om606? 0w40 (m1, if you can find the stuff that's mb
approved... Else,
"formula M")"
No, it's a gasser, so it's a M104. I think it the OW X might be too "thin" for
my car. I know technically, oils aren't thin, but you all know what I mean.
Donald H. Snook
_
Peter wrote: "1995 E320 wagon. Love it. Wife has it"
Great! I am glad there is someone on here with experience with the 95 E320.
What oil do you use?
The wagons are cool, I have always liked them. But, my wife said she would
make fun of me, if I drove a wagon. Of course, she made fun of m
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From: "OK Don"
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 9:44 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil Pressure Question
My M103 in the '91 300E has the opposite symptom - it drops to nearly
yea, thats pretty typical. It does not take much to drop the guage to
zero or close to it at idle. The sending unit is a little flaky, but
not by much.
OK Don wrote:
My M103 in the '91 300E has the opposite symptom - it drops to nearly 0 when
hot at idle. I used 15W50 when I changed the oil,
yea, its working, but not properly.
Donald Snook wrote:
Allan wrote: "Sender could be shorted/grounded (not sure which would cause
this)."
I suppose it could be. But, the needle does climb to three when I start the
car, so I would guess that means it is working.
Donald H. Snook
your sender is bad, it should drop to about half.
Donald Snook wrote:
I have not had a gasser Mercedes for while now. But, I noticed something on
this 95 E320 which is interesting. I am used to starting the car and the oil
gauge pegs out at 3 for a while and when it warms up or sits at idle
My M103 in the '91 300E has the opposite symptom - it drops to nearly 0 when
hot at idle. I used 15W50 when I changed the oil, thinking it might change
the idling pressure, but it didn't. I remember hearing (here) that the M103
is known for this behavior, but I don't remember anything else. There
I don't know what to think.
I think you need more miles to loosen up the bearings
more. Then it'll drop some when hot. It's _permissible_
to drop to ~1 Bar at hot idle. It's not _required_ to
drop at all!
-- Jim
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Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 1:39 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil Pressure Question
Larry wrote: "Have you changed the oil? Know what weight you have?"
I have not changed the oil. I called the local dealer to find out when it
was done. It was changed in April of last year. It has only
)
On 3/2/2010 12:09 PM, LarryT wrote:
Have you changed the oil? Know what weight you have?
LarryT
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From: "Donald Snook"
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 11:18 AM
1995 E320 wagon. Love it. Wife has it
On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Donald Snook wrote:
> Peter wrote: "Getting close to an oil discussion here. My 104 holds hard a
> pegged untill the oil needs changed - at about 5500 miles - mostly high way,
> then at idle it drops to 2.5 bars. Then I ch
Peter wrote: "Getting close to an oil discussion here. My 104 holds hard a
pegged untill the oil needs changed - at about 5500 miles - mostly high way,
then at idle it drops to 2.5 bars. Then I change the oil I run sythetic 1540.
I know I know - but it has never failed me - and none of my ca
Rich wrote: "What's the best kind for him to use?"
Good Question, Rich. I wanted to know, too. But, didn't want to start an oil
thread.
If it makes a difference to anyone answering this question. I don't know yet
what kind of oil has been used in the past on this car. But, I have a call
int
Larry wrote: "Have you changed the oil? Know what weight you have?"
I have not changed the oil. I called the local dealer to find out when it was
done. It was changed in April of last year. It has only been about 900 miles
since the last change. I don't know what kind of oil (dino or synthe
Allan wrote: "Sender could be shorted/grounded (not sure which would cause
this)."
I suppose it could be. But, the needle does climb to three when I start the
car, so I would guess that means it is working.
Donald H. Snook
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Mitch wrote: "It's permissible for the needle to drop when the oil is hot, but
I don't think
it did when the cars were brand new and the bearings were tight."
That is sort of what I thinking. That all of my prior cars had MANY MANY more
miles on them, so maybe this one is like this because the
Donald Snook wrote:
Mitch wrote: "Does the gauge read zero with the engine stopped and the ignition
on?"
Yes. And when I start it, the needle climbs up to 3.
Sounds like a properly functioning system to me.
Somewhere close to 100psi, the relief valve will open to prevent overpressure.
The g
Mitch wrote: "Does the gauge read zero with the engine stopped and the ignition
on?"
Yes. And when I start it, the needle climbs up to 3.
Donald H. Snook
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On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 12:18 -0500, "LarryT" wrote:
> Don't know for sure but the recommended oil for your car may be a 0W40
> or similar - there may be a sticker somewhere telling what to use -
> engine compartment, door jamb, gas filler cover, trunk, ? which will
> tell you which to use.
>
> If th
: Re: [MBZ] Oil Pressure Question
LarryT wrote:
> What kind of engine does he have - a 103?
E320, so I think M104.
Mitch.
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Getting close to an oil discussion here. My 104 holds hard a pegged untill
the oil needs changed - at about 5500 miles - mostly high way, then at idle
it drops to 2.5 bars. Then I change the oil I run sythetic 1540. I know I
know - but it has never failed me - and none of my cars use or leak wi
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What's the best kind for him to use?
--R (ducking)
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What kind of engine does he have - a 103?
E320, so I think M104.
Mitch.
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From: "Donald Snook"
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 11:18 AM
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Subject: [MBZ] Oil Pressure Question
I have not had a gasser Mercedes for while now. But, I noticed
something on this 95 E320 which is interesting. I am used to
starting the car an
02, 2010 11:18 AM
To:
Subject: [MBZ] Oil Pressure Question
I have not had a gasser Mercedes for while now. But, I noticed something
on this 95 E320 which is interesting. I am used to starting the car and
the oil gauge pegs out at 3 for a while and when it warms up or sits at
idle, the needle drop
From: "Donald Snook"
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 11:18 AM
To:
Subject: [MBZ] Oil Pressure Question
I have not had a gasser Mercedes for while now. But, I noticed
something on this 95 E320 which is interesting. I am used to
starting the car and the oil gauge pegs out at 3 for a while and
Have you changed the oil? Know what weight you have?
LarryT
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From: "Donald Snook"
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 11:18 AM
To:
Subject: [MBZ] Oil Pressur
With the factory short block OM621 i got years ago, the oil pressure
still pegs out and is always at the peg, even warm idle. The old
engine went down to 2 or less when warm, but the bearings were shot.
I put a SW oil pressure gauge on it and found I had to keep the RPM
low when it was cold to
e requires more hp to run the pump, causes seals to leak.
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Peter Arnold
Windsor, CT
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From: "Donald Snook"
To: "Mercedes@okiebenz.com"
Sent: Tuesday, March 2, 2010 11:18:39 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [MBZ] Oil Pressure Ques
Perhaps you should not be going to the drive thru (bad for you) and
sitting for 10 minutes?
Hope that helps.
--R
On 3/2/2010 11:18 AM, Donald Snook wrote:
I have not had a gasser Mercedes for while now. But, I noticed something on
this 95 E320 which is interesting. I am used to starting th
Allan Streib wrote:
Sender could be shorted/grounded (not sure which would cause this).
Or you could have a real overpressure situation, perhaps the relief valve is
stuck.
Have your indy put an oil pressure test gauge on it to confirm the dash reading.
Does the gauge read zero with the engin
It's permissible for the needle to drop when the oil is hot, but I don't think
it did when the cars were brand new and the bearings were tight.
On my 1979 300SD (~300,000 miles) 2 bar at hot idle with 15W40 was a pretty
reliable indicator that it needed an oil change.
Mitch.
_
Sender could be shorted/grounded (not sure which would cause this).
Or you could have a real overpressure situation, perhaps the relief valve is
stuck.
Have your indy put an oil pressure test gauge on it to confirm the dash reading.
Allan
On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 10:18 -0600, "Donald Snook" wrote:
I have not had a gasser Mercedes for while now. But, I noticed something on
this 95 E320 which is interesting. I am used to starting the car and the oil
gauge pegs out at 3 for a while and when it warms up or sits at idle, the
needle drops a little. In fact, once its very warm, the need will
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