Re: [MBZ] Opinions? Block heater vs. in-line coolant circulating heaterfor an OM616 or 617?

2005-11-20 Thread mykd1
ok ok, lets not get in to the physics part of discussing molecules of oil and what they do at different temps cause this will end up being a really long post. my impression of oil thinning out is when its hot and breaks down. on the violating laws of physics, certainly not 69 280 SEL 120,000

Re: [MBZ] Opinions? Block heater vs. in-line coolant circulating heaterfor an OM616 or 617?

2005-11-19 Thread Mitch Haley
Steve MacSween wrote: Actually there is another option too: local VW shop sells VW accessory oil pan heaters that are paper thin and glued to the bottom of the pan But does that do any good other than thinning the oil? I'm thinking the head and cylinders would still be stone cold.

Re: [MBZ] Opinions? Block heater vs. in-line coolant circulating heaterfor an OM616 or 617?

2005-11-19 Thread mykd1
they don't really thin the oil, what they do is keep the oil warmed enough where it will flow, but not to much where it will thin out. I had a heating pad, what I call it on my older VW and the oil temp usually stayed around 75 F even when it was -10 outside 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL

Re: [MBZ] Opinions? Block heater vs. in-line coolant circulating heaterfor an OM616 or 617?

2005-11-19 Thread Tom Hargrave
Thick oil is one issue. It slows down cranking until you can't develop enough heat to start the engine. A cold engine is a second, and most often secondary issue. But a cold engine is usually a problem with a tired engine or low battery. The third issue that almost no one thinks about is a cold

Re: [MBZ] Opinions? Block heater vs. in-line coolant circulating heaterfor an OM616 or 617?

2005-11-19 Thread Tom Hargrave
Oil at 75F is a lot thinner than oil at -10F. In other words, the heater thins the oil to where it wuld be at 75F. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday,

Re: [MBZ] Opinions? Block heater vs. in-line coolant circulating heaterfor an OM616 or 617?

2005-11-19 Thread mykd1
it doesn't really thin it out, more like keeps it from getting cold and thick like molasses 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes mailing list' [EMAIL

Re: [MBZ] Opinions? Block heater vs. in-line coolant circulating heaterfor an OM616 or 617?

2005-11-19 Thread Tom Hargrave
OK, it's a matter of symantics. Oil at 75F is thinner than oil at -10F, but I guess you are referring to when oil gets very thin, lets say at 220F? But thinner is thinner... Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [MBZ] Opinions? Block heater vs. in-line coolant circulating heaterfor an OM616 or 617?

2005-11-19 Thread Marshall Booth
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it doesn't really thin it out, more like keeps it from getting cold and thick like molasses If engine oil doesn't thin out more at 70 deg F than at -10, then the laws of physics have been violated! Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to

Re: [MBZ] Opinions? Block heater vs. in-line coolant circulating heaterfor an OM616 or 617?

2005-11-19 Thread Tom Hargrave
Ditto. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marshall Booth Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 3:17 PM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] Opinions? Block heater vs. in-line