Re: [MBZ] PHX CL...Would this be a money pit?

2010-11-20 Thread Allan Streib
E M pokieba...@gmail.com writes: Leno uses the 1/3 of purchase price rule of thumb, for mint restored cars. Meaning, after buying a mint restored car, he puts another 1/3 of the purchase price into it? Or that it typically takes an additional 1/3 of the price to bring the car up to mint

Re: [MBZ] PHX CL...Would this be a money pit?

2010-11-20 Thread Dieselhead
1/3 of the new sticker price. E M pokieba...@gmail.com writes: Leno uses the 1/3 of purchase price rule of thumb, for mint restored cars. Meaning, after buying a mint restored car, he puts another 1/3 of the purchase price into it? Or that it typically takes an additional 1/3 of the

Re: [MBZ] PHX CL...Would this be a money pit?

2010-11-20 Thread E M
The point I think he was making; when you buy a so called mint older car, you will still have issues with it. Once you get into it, it's not uncommon at all to find shortcuts have been made along the way, either to save money, or out of lack of knowledge, and quite possibly because people often

Re: [MBZ] PHX CL...Would this be a money pit?

2010-11-19 Thread E M
These were, and are great cars. This example looks like an effort was made to keep it looking decent, but unfortunately, with the mileage, the thing is getting a bit tired. I think the only way to buy these cars, and the cheapest, is to find the very best example you can, and pay a bit more

Re: [MBZ] PHX CL...Would this be a money pit?

2010-11-19 Thread andrew strasfogel
On the plus side it has *ice cold air* but on the other hand the SR needs fixin'. I always like to ask this kind of seller what would it take to make the car 100 percent perfect? That usually generates a more candid assessment of the vehicle... On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 9:21 AM, E M

Re: [MBZ] PHX CL...Would this be a money pit?

2010-11-19 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Well it looks clean and maintained from the pics, if so it should be fine. On 11/18/2010 9:14 PM, Allan Streib wrote: For that many miles, yeah I'd think so. Unless it's been kept up, it likely will need a lot of rejuvenating. Allan On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 19:43 -0700, Bob

Re: [MBZ] PHX CL...Would this be a money pit?

2010-11-19 Thread E M
Nobody makes these cars 100%, that's why it's best to try and find one that's been kept as close to new as possible, and always properly maintained and serviced. Even then, it won't be perfect, but it will be an old, pretty reliable car. To make it 100% perfect, I don't know, I'd say $40-60,000.

Re: [MBZ] PHX CL...Would this be a money pit?

2010-11-19 Thread andrew strasfogel
That's not what I mean. There are a lot of little things that are important to me if they are broken or not working. I do not care for a list of what's right with a vehicle because that's always going to be skewed from the seller's viewpoint. I want to see a list of what's currently in need of

Re: [MBZ] PHX CL...Would this be a money pit?

2010-11-19 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/ctd/2068045165.html probably needs to be at least $1500 cheaper, right? Considering it's on a used-car lot rather than private party, there's haggling room. If you could get it for $2500,

Re: [MBZ] PHX CL...Would this be a money pit?

2010-11-19 Thread Michael Esh
Why is the antenna in the up position in all pictures? Mike On Nov 18, 2010, at 9:43 PM, Bob Rentfro wrote: http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/ctd/2068045165.html probably needs to be at least $1500 cheaper, right? Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For

Re: [MBZ] PHX CL...Would this be a money pit?

2010-11-19 Thread buymbparts
Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] PHX CL...Would this be a money pit? Why is the antenna in the up position in all pictures? Mike On Nov 18, 2010, at 9:43 PM, Bob Rentfro wrote: http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/ctd/2068045165.html probably needs to be at least $1500 cheaper

Re: [MBZ] PHX CL...Would this be a money pit?

2010-11-19 Thread E M
What I find to be a very good point of reference, was advise what was once given to me by the mechanic who used to service my Porsche. I think it equally applies to any higher end car. He said, once a car is 10 years or so old, even if in good overall condition, allot 10-15% of the cars original

Re: [MBZ] PHX CL...Would this be a money pit?

2010-11-19 Thread E M
It's often said, that 250,000 miles is nothing for these cars. But remember, EVERY component on the car has 250,000 miles. Every movies piece, every bit of rubber, every electrical connection, everything. It's like people saying, a diesel will go a millions miles. Show me one that has, that

Re: [MBZ] PHX CL...Would this be a money pit?

2010-11-19 Thread E M
The antenna is probably the cheapest thing you'll ever have to worry about with a SEC. hee hee Ed 300E On 19 November 2010 16:42, Michael Esh michael...@me.com wrote: Why is the antenna in the up position in all pictures? Mike On Nov 18, 2010, at 9:43 PM, Bob Rentfro wrote:

Re: [MBZ] PHX CL...Would this be a money pit?

2010-11-19 Thread andrew strasfogel
I prefer the maxim budget 25 percent of the *used Mercedes's purchase price * during the first year of ownership to cover unanticipated and existing problems. Andrew, speaking from experience... On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 5:05 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: What I find to be a very good point

Re: [MBZ] PHX CL...Would this be a money pit?

2010-11-19 Thread Allan Streib
It all depends on who does the work, too. If a shop is involved, then parts are 2x what you can get them for from Rusty, plus labor. Allan On Fri, 19 Nov 2010 17:13 -0500, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: I prefer the maxim budget 25 percent of the *used Mercedes's purchase

Re: [MBZ] PHX CL...Would this be a money pit?

2010-11-19 Thread buymbparts
I have a beautiful 1991 560SEC, black/bamboo. I am second owner. Car had all records, Mobil 1 since new. Bought it with 167000 on the clock. Now had 181000. HUGE knock from deep middle of engine. It is a bearing for sure. Already looked at upper and lower rails. These bottom ends are bullet

Re: [MBZ] PHX CL...Would this be a money pit?

2010-11-19 Thread andrew strasfogel
How would you diagnose something like that? On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 5:21 PM, buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote: I have a beautiful 1991 560SEC, black/bamboo. I am second owner. Car had all records, Mobil 1 since new. Bought it with 167000 on the clock. Now had 181000. HUGE knock from deep middle of

Re: [MBZ] PHX CL...Would this be a money pit?

2010-11-19 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 2:21 PM, buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote: I have a beautiful 1991 560SEC, black/bamboo. I am second owner. Car had all records, Mobil 1 since new. Bought it with 167000 on the clock. Now had 181000. HUGE knock from deep middle of engine. It is a bearing for sure. Already

Re: [MBZ] PHX CL...Would this be a money pit?

2010-11-19 Thread LWB250
Methinks the sound would be the giveaway. If you have a bottom end knock, trust me, you'll know it. Dan --- On Fri, 11/19/10, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] PHX CL...Would this be a money pit? To: Mercedes

Re: [MBZ] PHX CL...Would this be a money pit?

2010-11-19 Thread E M
Sounds like nothing that $10,000 wouldn't put right. ;-) Ed 300E On 19 November 2010 17:21, buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote: I have a beautiful 1991 560SEC, black/bamboo. I am second owner. Car had all records, Mobil 1 since new. Bought it with 167000 on the clock. Now had 181000. HUGE knock from

Re: [MBZ] PHX CL...Would this be a money pit?

2010-11-19 Thread E M
I think you have to use a sliding scale, with mileage and age. Also, if you're talking about a SEC, 25% would put that on average around $1000 bucks alloted for repairs. No way you're going to address all the things that most likely need attention on a SEC of that age and mileage, with that kind

Re: [MBZ] PHX CL...Would this be a money pit?

2010-11-19 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 2:59 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: anymore than than $1000 will sort out an old Rolls. At least with a Benz you have a fighting chance of doing some of the work yourself and saving a few bucks. Can an amateur even buy a shop manual for a Rolls? Are there discount

Re: [MBZ] PHX CL...Would this be a money pit?

2010-11-19 Thread Walt Zarnoch
Even after the allotment for parts and repairs, that's still cheaper than $18,000 for a base version 2K10 Subaru... Walt On Nov 19, 2010 6:05 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 2:59 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: anymore than than $1000 will sort

Re: [MBZ] PHX CL...Would this be a money pit?

2010-11-19 Thread E M
Bottom line, there really is no way to run either of these cars on the cheap. I think the best way to have a fighting chance, is to stay away from these cars that look like deals, and buy the very best one you can find, and pay for it. It will still cost you money to run, but nothing like trying

Re: [MBZ] PHX CL...Would this be a money pit?

2010-11-19 Thread WILTON
Or it may need a new actuator/retractor; 'could put it up and disconnected it. Wilton - Original Message - From: buymbpa...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] PHX CL...Would this be a money pit

Re: [MBZ] PHX CL...Would this be a money pit?

2010-11-19 Thread ernest breakfield
Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] PHX CL...Would this be a money pit? Cause he needs to buy a new mast from me? Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld -Original Message- From: Michael Esh michael...@me.com Sender: mercedes-boun

[MBZ] PHX CL...Would this be a money pit?

2010-11-18 Thread Bob Rentfro
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/ctd/2068045165.html probably needs to be at least $1500 cheaper, right? Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe

Re: [MBZ] PHX CL...Would this be a money pit?

2010-11-18 Thread Allan Streib
For that many miles, yeah I'd think so. Unless it's been kept up, it likely will need a lot of rejuvenating. Allan On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 19:43 -0700, Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/ctd/2068045165.html probably needs to be at least $1500 cheaper,

Re: [MBZ] PHX CL...Would this be a money pit?

2010-11-18 Thread Rich Thomas
Pretty color --R On 11/18/2010 10:14 PM, Allan Streib wrote: For that many miles, yeah I'd think so. Unless it's been kept up, it likely will need a lot of rejuvenating. Allan On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 19:43 -0700, Bob Rentfroazbob...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [MBZ] PHX CL...Would this be a money pit?

2010-11-18 Thread OK Don
Kelly Blue Book lists it at $3300 for EX from private person -- so they're asking list, as usual for a dealer. Retail value in EX is $4600. On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 9:46 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Pretty color --R On 11/18/2010 10:14 PM, Allan Streib wrote: