Re: [MBZ] R12 Replacement
Use the Industrial ES-12….it’s a lot colder. You’ll havce to spring for hazmat shipping, but it’s worth it. I’ve used both. AND, order it directly from the factory. On Oct 30, 2013, at 2:31 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: > What is the R12 replacement based on propane that people here on the list > have been using? > > I can't recall the name. > > I have a coworker who is into old Toyotas, and he has one that needs some > major AC work and he doesn't want to convert it to R134a due to the crappy > performance he's seen in similar vintage cars with the conversion. > > Thanks, > > Dan > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] R12 Replacement
That's the other one I could not think of Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 30, 2013, at 2:02 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: > > ES-12 aka Envirosafe > www.autorefrigerants.com > > Alex Chamberlain > apchamberl...@gmail.com > Sent from my Android phone. Please excuse brevity and typos. > >> On Oct 30, 2013 11:31 AM, "Dan Penoff" wrote: >> >> What is the R12 replacement based on propane that people here on the list >> have been using? >> >> I can't recall the name. >> >> I have a coworker who is into old Toyotas, and he has one that needs some >> major AC work and he doesn't want to convert it to R134a due to the crappy >> performance he's seen in similar vintage cars with the conversion. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Dan >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] R12 Replacement
Enviro-Safe. http://www.es-refrigerants.com/ http://autorefrigerants.com/co00033.htm Rick Sent from my iPhone On Oct 30, 2013, at 1:31 PM, "Dan Penoff" wrote: > What is the R12 replacement based on propane that people here on the list > have been using? > > I can't recall the name. > > I have a coworker who is into old Toyotas, and he has one that needs some > major AC work and he doesn't want to convert it to R134a due to the crappy > performance he's seen in similar vintage cars with the conversion. > > Thanks, > > Dan > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] R12 Replacement
ES-12 aka Envirosafe www.autorefrigerants.com Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com Sent from my Android phone. Please excuse brevity and typos. On Oct 30, 2013 11:31 AM, "Dan Penoff" wrote: > What is the R12 replacement based on propane that people here on the list > have been using? > > I can't recall the name. > > I have a coworker who is into old Toyotas, and he has one that needs some > major AC work and he doesn't want to convert it to R134a due to the crappy > performance he's seen in similar vintage cars with the conversion. > > Thanks, > > Dan > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] R12 Replacement
Dura cool, auto frost, there are several Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 30, 2013, at 1:31 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: > > What is the R12 replacement based on propane that people here on the list > have been using? > > I can't recall the name. > > I have a coworker who is into old Toyotas, and he has one that needs some > major AC work and he doesn't want to convert it to R134a due to the crappy > performance he's seen in similar vintage cars with the conversion. > > Thanks, > > Dan > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] R12 Replacement
What is the R12 replacement based on propane that people here on the list have been using? I can't recall the name. I have a coworker who is into old Toyotas, and he has one that needs some major AC work and he doesn't want to convert it to R134a due to the crappy performance he's seen in similar vintage cars with the conversion. Thanks, Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] R12 replacement
rumor has it that Trampas wrote: > My understanding is that a lot of the R12 replacement is a mixture of > propane and butane, thus flammable. I use duracool in my cars which is this > propane/butane stuff, it works great and does not require any changes of > hoses or oil. There is some debate on the safety, but I figure it is no > worse than gasoline under 60psi of pressure. I have heard that because there is oil, even R-12 acts flammable. And that the oil is more likely to ignite than the butane or propane. But I haven't tried it myself, so I don't really know... Philip, thinking it's about time to check the AC systems
Re: [MBZ] R12 replacement
My understanding is that a lot of the R12 replacement is a mixture of propane and butane, thus flammable. I use duracool in my cars which is this propane/butane stuff, it works great and does not require any changes of hoses or oil. There is some debate on the safety, but I figure it is no worse than gasoline under 60psi of pressure. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 9:26 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] R12 replacement Will probably buy a case of that stuff and give it a try Fmiser wrote: > rumor has it that Kaleb wrote: > >> Do you have to use different hoses? Was reading up on it and some >> people are saying that you need different hoses because it has R22 in >> it. Freeze12 is R134 mixed with I think 142 or something like that. >> >> Fmiser wrote: >>> At some time fairly close to Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:23:13 -0500, >>> rumor has it that Kaleb wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Ok, so whats the best alternative to R12 rather than converting to 134? > >>> R-406A, Autofrost. >>> >>> Engineered to be a R-12 topoff, but EPA won't allow that. >>> >>> I've been using it in my rear-A/C equiped Suburban for about 6 years now. > > Nope. Same hoses, orifice, condenser, and evaporator. No high-pressure > cutout switch needed 'cause the temp/pressure curve is quite close to > R-12. Use the same service hoses and gauges as R-12. The only thing I > changed on the car was the dryer. > > It does weigh a bit less, so my 25lb cylinder of 406A is equivalent to > a 30lb cylinder of R-12. > > -- > Philip, not a true expert, just been there. > > ___ > http://www.striplin.net > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > > > ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] R12 replacement
Will probably buy a case of that stuff and give it a try Fmiser wrote: rumor has it that Kaleb wrote: Do you have to use different hoses? Was reading up on it and some people are saying that you need different hoses because it has R22 in it. Freeze12 is R134 mixed with I think 142 or something like that. Fmiser wrote: At some time fairly close to Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:23:13 -0500, rumor has it that Kaleb wrote: Ok, so whats the best alternative to R12 rather than converting to 134? R-406A, Autofrost. Engineered to be a R-12 topoff, but EPA won't allow that. I've been using it in my rear-A/C equiped Suburban for about 6 years now. Nope. Same hoses, orifice, condenser, and evaporator. No high-pressure cutout switch needed 'cause the temp/pressure curve is quite close to R-12. Use the same service hoses and gauges as R-12. The only thing I changed on the car was the dryer. It does weigh a bit less, so my 25lb cylinder of 406A is equivalent to a 30lb cylinder of R-12. -- Philip, not a true expert, just been there. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] R12 replacement
rumor has it that Kaleb wrote: > Do you have to use different hoses? Was reading up on it and some > people are saying that you need different hoses because it has R22 in > it. Freeze12 is R134 mixed with I think 142 or something like that. > > Fmiser wrote: > > At some time fairly close to Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:23:13 -0500, > > rumor has it that Kaleb wrote: > > > > > >>Ok, so whats the best alternative to R12 rather than converting to 134? > > R-406A, Autofrost. > > > > Engineered to be a R-12 topoff, but EPA won't allow that. > > > > I've been using it in my rear-A/C equiped Suburban for about 6 years now. Nope. Same hoses, orifice, condenser, and evaporator. No high-pressure cutout switch needed 'cause the temp/pressure curve is quite close to R-12. Use the same service hoses and gauges as R-12. The only thing I changed on the car was the dryer. It does weigh a bit less, so my 25lb cylinder of 406A is equivalent to a 30lb cylinder of R-12. -- Philip, not a true expert, just been there.
Re: [MBZ] R12 replacement
Is there a good way to tell if its been converted to 134? It's supposed to have different fittings screwed into it. Another way is if the system fails grotesquely in a year or two. If so, it was converted! (Yes, I have an opinion. I un-converted the latest 560 SL we bought.) -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] R12 replacement
Could someone confirm for me which hose is which? I.e. I don't suppose that nice easy to reach hose on top of my 83' 300D happens to be the low side? It is, in fact. The high-side fitting is underneath the alternator. (Stupid place!) When in doubt, follow the hoses from the compressor. The one that goes to the receiver-drier is the high side. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] R12 replacement
Do you have to use different hoses? Was reading up on it and some people are saying that you need different hoses because it has R22 in it. Freeze12 is R134 mixed with I think 142 or something like that. Fmiser wrote: At some time fairly close to Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:23:13 -0500, rumor has it that Kaleb wrote: Ok, so whats the best alternative to R12 rather than converting to 134? Tried duracool and last time I ordered it stuff didnt seem to work hardly at all. Have a couple of virgin r12 systems that need to be recharged and want to try something else? Freeze12? Dont think I like the envirosafe from what I remember. What else has people used? Want something that can work with either the mineral oil or the stuff for 134 R-406A, Autofrost. Engineered to be a R-12 topoff, but EPA won't allow that. I've been using it in my rear-A/C equiped Suburban for about 6 years now. -- Philip, dreaming of a diesel MB replacement for the Suburban... ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] R12 replacement
No, I intalled it by weight. Joe Knight wrote: I'm wondering if you maybe didn't just overcharge with duracool, Kaleb. IIRC, quantities & charge pressure are supposed to be considerably lower with HC replacements. joe ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] R12 replacement
Low side is larger diameter... Bob Rentfro - Original Message - From: "Levi Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] R12 replacement Speaking of AC... Could someone confirm for me which hose is which? I.e. I don't suppose that nice easy to reach hose on top of my 83' 300D happens to be the low side? Mine had R134 when I got it and I just bought a can and a hose with a gauge on it for $17 that says to be sure I avoid the high side so as to avoid blowing up the can... Thanks, Levi On 4/13/06, Joe Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm wondering if you maybe didn't just overcharge with duracool, Kaleb. IIRC, quantities & charge pressure are supposed to be considerably lower with HC replacements. joe ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] R12 replacement
At some time fairly close to Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:23:13 -0500, rumor has it that Kaleb wrote: > Ok, so whats the best alternative to R12 rather than converting to 134? > Tried duracool and last time I ordered it stuff didnt seem to work > hardly at all. Have a couple of virgin r12 systems that need to be > recharged and want to try something else? Freeze12? Dont think I like > the envirosafe from what I remember. What else has people used? Want > something that can work with either the mineral oil or the stuff for 134 R-406A, Autofrost. Engineered to be a R-12 topoff, but EPA won't allow that. I've been using it in my rear-A/C equiped Suburban for about 6 years now. -- Philip, dreaming of a diesel MB replacement for the Suburban...
Re: [MBZ] R12 replacement
Speaking of AC... Could someone confirm for me which hose is which? I.e. I don't suppose that nice easy to reach hose on top of my 83' 300D happens to be the low side? Mine had R134 when I got it and I just bought a can and a hose with a gauge on it for $17 that says to be sure I avoid the high side so as to avoid blowing up the can... Thanks, Levi On 4/13/06, Joe Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm wondering if you maybe didn't just overcharge with duracool, > Kaleb. IIRC, quantities & charge pressure are supposed to be > considerably lower with HC replacements. > > joe > > ___ > http://www.striplin.net > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net >
Re: [MBZ] R12 replacement
I'm wondering if you maybe didn't just overcharge with duracool, Kaleb. IIRC, quantities & charge pressure are supposed to be considerably lower with HC replacements. joe
Re: [MBZ] R12 replacement
Hey Kaleb, Try this stuff: http://www.autocool-refrigerants.com/envirosafe_tech.htm :) -dm > -- > Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:23:13 -0500 > From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [MBZ] R12 replacement > > > Ok, so whats the best alternative to R12 rather than converting to 134? > Tried duracool and last time I ordered it stuff didnt seem to work > hardly at all. Have a couple of virgin r12 systems that need to be > recharged and want to try something else? Freeze12? Dont think I like > the envirosafe from what I remember. What else has people used? Want > something that can work with either the mineral oil or the stuff for > 134
Re: [MBZ] R12 replacement
I'm in pretty much the same boat, my 190D's AC gets sort of cool but thats it, I expect its low. Is there a good way to tell if its been converted to 134? -Curt Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:23:13 -0500 From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [MBZ] R12 replacement To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Ok, so whats the best alternative to R12 rather than converting to 134? Tried duracool and last time I ordered it stuff didnt seem to work hardly at all. Have a couple of virgin r12 systems that need to be recharged and want to try something else? Freeze12? Dont think I like the envirosafe from what I remember. What else has people used? Want something that can work with either the mineral oil or the stuff for 134 - Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Apr 13 15:03:49 2006 Received: from [70.184.22.60] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FU3MA-0006MT-OL for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:03:49 + Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:03:20 -0500 From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] R12 replacement X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: <http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: <http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net> List-Post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:03:49 - its supposed to have different fittings and a new label. Curt Raymond wrote: > I'm in pretty much the same boat, my 190D's AC gets sort of cool but thats > it, I expect its low. > Is there a good way to tell if its been converted to 134? > > -Curt > > Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:23:13 -0500 > From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [MBZ] R12 replacement > To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Ok, so whats the best alternative to R12 rather than converting to 134? > Tried duracool and last time I ordered it stuff didnt seem to work > hardly at all. Have a couple of virgin r12 systems that need to be > recharged and want to try something else? Freeze12? Dont think I like > the envirosafe from what I remember. What else has people used? Want > something that can work with either the mineral oil or the stuff for > 134 > > > > - > Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! > Messenger with Voice. > ___ > http://www.striplin.net > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > > > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] R12 replacement
I think a 30lb equivalent of R406a is about $200 delivered. The two can kit is way high, something like $50 for two cans, tapper, and fittings. Homebrew is about $8 per fillup. Right around what you used to be able to do R12 for. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] R12 replacement
"Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote: > > Ok, so whats the best alternative to R12 rather than converting to 134? Autofrost R406A? I think Duracool and Envirosafe are among the propane/isobutane blends. Jim Cathey seems to like him homeblended iso/propane nix, maybe it's just too hot where you are? As demand drops, the price of R12 actually seems to have gone down in the last couple of years. With the R134a and substitutes going up in price, R12 doesn't seeem so bad if you can get 30lb for $4-500. I think a 30lb equivalent of R406a is about $200 delivered. The two can kit is way high, something like $50 for two cans, tapper, and fittings. I've been tempted to get a cylinder or two of R406, I think I can get two for $370. 22lb of it fills as many cars as 30lb of R12. Mitch.
[MBZ] R12 replacement
Ok, so whats the best alternative to R12 rather than converting to 134? Tried duracool and last time I ordered it stuff didnt seem to work hardly at all. Have a couple of virgin r12 systems that need to be recharged and want to try something else? Freeze12? Dont think I like the envirosafe from what I remember. What else has people used? Want something that can work with either the mineral oil or the stuff for 134
