On 02/02/2012 3:40 PM, Luther's Benz wrote:
IT IS ALIVE!nbsp;The starter Ramp;R took 50min from negative battery cable off to
back on.nbsp;Thanks all for the testing help for this odd dead starter issue.nbsp;We
conquered!
Luther KB5QHU Forest Park, IL
So what happened? I am assuming by the
I would assume the solenoid opened up since there was no current drain at the
starter. nbsp;I could be wrong.
Luther KB5QHU Forest Park, IL
'87 300SDL (322,xxx mi)
'91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi)nbsp;
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On Feb 3, 2012 10:04 AM, Randy Bennell
IT IS ALIVE! nbsp;The starter Ramp;R took 50min from negative battery cable
off to back on. nbsp;Thanks all for the testing help for this odd dead starter
issue. nbsp;We conquered!
Luther KB5QHU Forest Park, IL
'87 300SDL (322,xxx mi)
'91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi)nbsp;
Luther's Benz wrote:
IT IS ALIVE! The starter RR took 50min from
negative battery cable off to back on. Thanks all for
the testing help for this odd dead starter issue. We
conquered!
Sweet!
As Wilton would say, Attaboy!
-- Philip, who lets emacs clean up the funky posts.
Luther's Benz wrote:
Did today's posted results give a clearer picture of shat the
issue might be?
Reviewing the data.
The key turns, the glow plugs glow, but the starter doesn't
turn, or even make noise like it's trying.
Battery has proper voltage at rest, visually seem to have good
Already banged on starter and solenoid from above and below. nbsp;Looks like
I'll call Rusty later this morning nbsp;Thanks for all the help.
Luther
On Jan 31, 2012 4:00 AM, Fmiser lt;fmi...@gmail.comgt; wrote:
gt; Luther's Benz wrote:
gt; Did today's posted results give a clearer
If I'm following this correctly (12.8v signal to solenoid does not cause
discernible current draw or movement of solenoid) then I vote for an open
circuit internal to the solenoid.
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There is voltage at the solenoid big terminal, and voltage at
the solenoid control terminal. This data seems to be pointing
to a solenoid that isn't engaging. Jim, do you agree?
Sure looks like it.
First try hitting it with a hammer. You can use a board or a
pipe as a very large punch so
One must hold their mouth right to place the meter where it holds
itself while turning the key to start.
One must invest in a set of alligator clips. Or a helper.
-- Jim
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Thanks, Phillip et. all for the suggestions. nbsp;I'm led to believe the
problem is solenoid related. nbsp;See below where I find 12.8v everywhere in
the system when resting and cranking.
Luther
*snip*
That is the best option. Measure the system. I would want to
know the
* battery
* voltage between the engine ground and battery - when cranking
12.8V
You sure about that? Meter pins between engine block
and battery - terminal, should be 0V.
* voltage between the small trigger terminal on the selonoid and the
battery + when cranking.
12.8Vnbsp;
Again, you _sure_?
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 07:36:36 -0600 Luther's Benz
benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote:
Thanks, Phillip et. all for the suggestions. nbsp;I'm led to believe
the problem is solenoid related. nbsp;See below where I find 12.8v
everywhere in the system when resting and cranking.
Something is wrong. It's
The car will not even attempt to turn the starter over and there is no
voltage drop other than the glow plugs.
Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'87 300SDL (322,xxx mi)
'91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi)
On 1/30/2012 8:05 AM, Craig wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 07:36:36 -0600 Luther's Benz
So the small lower terminal should NOT have voltage when the key is in
the start position and this tells the solenoid to trigger the starter?
Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'87 300SDL (322,xxx mi)
'91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi)
On 1/30/2012 8:07 AM, Jim Cathey wrote:
* voltage between the
Stupid question. Does the W126 have the remote starter terminals on the
passenger fender, like my W123's?
Rick
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On Jan 30, 2012, at 8:15 AM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote:
So the small lower terminal should NOT have voltage
So the small lower terminal should NOT have voltage when the key is in
the start position and this tells the solenoid to trigger the starter?
The key is from _where_ you measure the voltage! The instructions
were quite specific: between the battery + (plus, positive, etc.)
terminal and the
If that measurement isn't 0 you can't be getting full engagement
current
to the solenoid, and maybe it won't engage the gears.
And, I should add, you measure between the battery POST,
not the clamp, and the screw POST of the solenoid, not the
nut or the ring terminal. You are looking for
If the solenoid is bad, would the voltage stay 12.8?
Luther KB5QHUOak Park, IL
'87 300SDL (312,xxx mi)
'91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi)
On 1/30/2012 9:24 AM, Jim Cathey wrote:
If that measurement isn't 0 you can't be getting full engagement current
to the solenoid, and maybe it won't
Benz Hogs wrote:
If the solenoid is bad, would the voltage stay 12.8?
If the electromagnet coil in the solenoid were open, you could have 12.8 on one
side and zero on the other with no current draw.
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So the small lower terminal should NOT have voltage when the key is in
the start position and this tells the solenoid
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Stupid question. Does the W126 have the remote starter terminals on the
passenger fender, like my W123's?
Rick
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Stupid question. Does the W126 have the remote starter terminals on the
passenger fender, like my W123's?
Rick
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Stupid question. Does the W126 have the remote starter terminals on the
passenger fender, like my W123's?
Rick
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Well, I was thinking that if it had one, Luther may be able to use that to
assist in troubleshooting, instead of bothering his bride.
Rick
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Stupid question. Does the W126 have the remote starter terminals on the
passenger fender, like my W123's?
Rick
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your - and + in the questions. Either you're
interpreting or something really doesn't make sense.
-Curt
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Not sure if this is relevant, but I've had a similar problem on a W124 where
the there is a problem with the shifter linkage on the side
terminals in question. 'Can't find such on the '87 300D (124).
Wilton
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Stupid question. Does
Ok, I stand corrected, 0v it is. nbsp;
One must hold their mouth right to place the meter where it holds itself while
turning the key to start.
Also:
*snip*
You sure about that? Meter pins between engine block
and battery - terminal, should be 0V.nbsp;
*snip*
I'm not so sure anymore... This
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Stupid question. Does the W126 have the remote starter terminals on the
passenger fender, like my W123's?
Rick
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Luther's Benz wrote:
Thanks, Phillip et. all for the suggestions. I'm led to
believe the problem is solenoid related. See below where
I find 12.8v everywhere in the system when resting and
cranking.
Measure the system. I would want to
know the
* battery voltage at rest
12.8V
Benz Hogs wrote:
If the solenoid is bad, would the voltage stay 12.8?
Mitch Haley wrote:
If the electromagnet coil in the solenoid were open, you could
have 12.8 on one side and zero on the other with no current
draw.
12.8 V referenced to _ground_. I specifically said voltage
between
Did today's posted results give a clearer picture of shat the issue might be?
Luther
On Jan 30, 2012 6:57 PM, Fmiser lt;fmi...@gmail.comgt; wrote:
gt; gt; Benz Hogs wrote:
gt; gt; If the solenoid is bad, would the voltage stay 12.8?
gt; Mitch Haley wrote:
gt;
gt; If the electromagnet
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 12:47:28 -0600 Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net
wrote:
I'll check again and make SURE I'm on the small terminal only.
How about a simple test?
Take a BIG screwdriver and short the small terminal on the starter
solenoid to the top, big terminal with the cable running to the
If the starter is bad it may not pull the lights down when attempting to
start - it all depends on the nature of the problem. You should also
confirm all electrical connections are clean and tight - the starter
wiring, block ground straps, chassis grounds and any others you can get
to. It
I'm not looking forward to this without a garage, today's high of 22F,
and 4-8 of snow moving moving in. Ugh.
Luther KB5QHUOak Park, IL
'87 300SDL (312,xxx mi)
'91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi)
On 1/20/2012 9:07 AM, Larry T wrote:
If the starter is bad it may not pull the lights down
That's why it's a bad idea to live in chicago
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On Jan 20, 2012, at 9:28 AM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote:
I'm not looking forward to this without a garage, today's high of 22F, and
4-8 of snow moving moving in. Ugh.
Luther KB5QHUOak Park, IL
'87
I wasn't going to mention that it's already in the 70s here, but since Kaleb
brought it up
Sorry.
Dan
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On Jan 20, 2012, at 12:17 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote:
That's why it's a bad idea to live in chicago
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On Jan 20, 2012, at
You need a heated garage or a friendly auto service business. Mechanics
have to eat too.
My younger son is a mechanic. Yesterday, he was off so I had him change
the AT fluid in my truck and it turned out to be good timing as it also
started to miss and the ck engine light came on. A new COP on
It's in the 60's here
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On Jan 20, 2012, at 11:27 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote:
I wasn't going to mention that it's already in the 70s here, but since Kaleb
brought it up
Sorry.
Dan
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On Jan 20, 2012, at 12:17 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin
Only 55 here; s'posed to be 72 tomorrow.
Wilton
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It's in the 60's here
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-4 F here in Winnipeg but the sun is shining and the skies are blue.
Supposed to warm up on Sunday.
Randy
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A new COP on #3 and all is well.
Randy
Don't forget that you have to explain to woger what a COP is.
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On 20/01/2012 1:26 PM, Dieselhead wrote:
A new COP on #3 and all is well.
Randy
Don't forget that you have to explain to woger what a COP is.
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Benz Hogs wrote:
Over the last 6 weeks, the SDL has been hard to start when the
engine is hot, this was mostly noticed during our 2100mi
road-trip from Chi to MI to AR to Chi. The car always started
fine when cold. This week, Wed morning was about the coldest
it has been so far (temp of
That's why it's a bad idea to live in chicago
I'm not looking forward to this without a garage, today's high of
22F, and 4-8 of snow moving moving in. Ugh.
Maybe you'd feel better if you reported temperatures
in Kelvin. Or Rankine, if you prefer.
-- Jim
That is the best option. Measure the system. I would want to
know the
* battery voltage at rest
* battery voltage when cranking
* voltage drop between the starter and the battery +
when cranking
* voltage between the engine ground and battery -
when cranking
* voltage between the
Over the last 6 weeks, the SDL has been hard to start when the engine is
hot, this was mostly noticed during our 2100mi road-trip from Chi to MI
to AR to Chi. The car always started fine when cold. This week, Wed
morning was about the coldest it has been so far (temp of ~12F) and the
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