Re: [MBZ] trans fluid temps

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Curly wrote:
> 
> On the heap SDL, with the radiator fans not working, the
> trans fluid overheats when driving around town, then it
> won't shift over 2nd. The only cure so far is to let it
> cool down and try again.
> 
> It generally works ok out on the highway where the wind
> replaces that fan action.

Does the water temperature rise when it's misbehaving?  I'm
presuming there is a transmission oil heat exchanger in the
radiator.  A water bath exchange like that is usually very
effective.  

Crud buildup on the exchange coils?

Heat in a hydraulic system (like an automatic transmission)
is not a good sign.  Maybe it's slipping or other such
problems in the lower gears and its the lack of shifting and
high gear, not ram air that "fixes" the problem on the
highway...

Just speculating. 

> I sure like real transmissions you can shift!

Hah!  Me too!   I'm looking for a clutch system doner for my
'85 Chevy 3/4 ton 'cause I don't want to put another
automushtic transmission in it.

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Re: [MBZ] trans fluid temps

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

More likely the transmission is history, or soon will be...

On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 10:03 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I had an SDL once that would at random get into modes of not upshifting
> unless you revved the piss out of it. Never did figure it out. Maybe fluid
> was getting too hot.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Nov 17, 2015, at 9:01 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > On the heap SDL, with the radiator fans not working, the trans fluid
> overheats when driving around town, then it won't shift over 2nd. The only
> cure so far is to let it cool down and try again.
> >
> > It generally works ok out on the highway where the wind replaces that
> fan action.
> >
> > I sure like real transmissions you can shift!
> >
> > Has anyone else ever encountered this problem?
> >
> > I suppose I should call Sun Valley and see what suggestions they have.
> >
> > Hopefully, oil in the viscous clutch and fixing the wiring for the aux
> fan will solve the hot trans fluid problem.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] trans fluid temps

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I had an SDL once that would at random get into modes of not upshifting unless 
you revved the piss out of it. Never did figure it out. Maybe fluid was getting 
too hot.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 17, 2015, at 9:01 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On the heap SDL, with the radiator fans not working, the trans fluid 
> overheats when driving around town, then it won't shift over 2nd. The only 
> cure so far is to let it cool down and try again.
> 
> It generally works ok out on the highway where the wind replaces that fan 
> action.
> 
> I sure like real transmissions you can shift!
> 
> Has anyone else ever encountered this problem?
> 
> I suppose I should call Sun Valley and see what suggestions they have.
> 
> Hopefully, oil in the viscous clutch and fixing the wiring for the aux fan 
> will solve the hot trans fluid problem.
> 
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[MBZ] trans fluid temps

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

On the heap SDL, with the radiator fans not working, the trans fluid 
overheats when driving around town, then it won't shift over 2nd. 
The only cure so far is to let it cool down and try again.


It generally works ok out on the highway where the wind replaces that 
fan action.


I sure like real transmissions you can shift!

Has anyone else ever encountered this problem?

I suppose I should call Sun Valley and see what suggestions they have.

Hopefully, oil in the viscous clutch and fixing the wiring for the 
aux fan will solve the hot trans fluid problem.



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Re: [MBZ] trans fluid level

[Allan Streib]

I did not write that... 

On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 08:33 -0500, "Donald Snook"  wrote:
> Allan S. wrote: "I have been told by several good transmission mechanics
> that it does not hurt to over fill an auto transmission.  If it is too
> full, it will just overflow thru the dipstick tube and not damage the
> trans."
> 
> That is certainly not true on GM transmissions. When they are overfilled,
> the fluid gets churned up too much, it gets frothy (which increases its
> volume) and it starts exiting out the overflow vents.  Once it gets
> frothy, it will dump out TOO MUCH fluid and you end up with a
> transmission that ironically now is too low on fluid and they can fail.
> 
> 
> Donald H. Snook
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Re: [MBZ] trans fluid level

[Donald Snook]

Allan S. wrote: "I have been told by several good transmission mechanics that 
it does not hurt to over fill an auto transmission.  If it is too full, it will 
just overflow thru the dipstick tube and not damage the trans."

That is certainly not true on GM transmissions. When they are overfilled, the 
fluid gets churned up too much, it gets frothy (which increases its volume) and 
it starts exiting out the overflow vents.  Once it gets frothy, it will dump 
out TOO MUCH fluid and you end up with a transmission that ironically now is 
too low on fluid and they can fail.


Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] trans fluid level

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I think I would find some new "good" transmission mechanics.

Allen Sawyer wrote:
I have been told by several good transmission mechanics that it does not hurt to over fill an auto transmission.  If it is too full, it will just overflow thru the dipstick tube and not damage the trans. 
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[MBZ] trans fluid level

[Allen Sawyer]

I have been told by several good transmission mechanics that it does not hurt 
to over fill an auto transmission.  If it is too full, it will just overflow 
thru the dipstick tube and not damage the trans. 
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Re: [MBZ] Trans fluid

[ernest breakfield]

are you going to ASSuME that the shop always (including the last time) 
put in the right fluid?

   don't.

   it might behoove you to check around with a few sources and find out 
what the recommended fluid is for your trans. i've had to have shops 
flush the fluid out after they put in the wrong stuff before,... the 
symptoms didn't always show up immediately.
   to add to the confusion, Chrysler has a record of 'revising' their 
recommendations for ATF applications, seemingly generally for the sake 
of reducing the number of fluids they have to stock (not necessarily for 
the sake of making sure that each tranny gets the fluid that it best for 
its longevity and/or performance).



cheers!
e


Curt Raymond wrote:

Interesting and I might at least ask the dealer how much for their magic fluid 
but I would point out that the truck has been fine since Christmas (a little 
Christmas present to me) and that this same shop has changed the fluid 4 times 
since I've owned the truck (150,000+ miles) so it seems like if I were going to 
have problems because of it being the wrong fluid that it should have shown up 
by now yeah?

-Curt

Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 14:20:19 -0500
From: Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trans fluid
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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Ernest
wrote: "hi Curt! not sure which trans is in that rig, but if it's one
of the ChryCo trannys, they don't necessarily have the best reputation
for longevity, and you may be at the end of its natural life."

Well
CRAP, Curt. I remember you sending out the email about your Dakota and
the transmission problem and COMPLETLEY forgot about one of the reasons
you may be having problems.  This is probably one of the Chrysler
trannys that needs the special Dodge/Chrsyler fluid.  I did a
transmission service on my wife's old Lebaron and it started acting
strange. It wouldn't shift or it would shift too fast, or it had no
reverse.  So, I called a friend of mine at the Chrysler dealer and he
told me it was the fluid.  You might need to buy the fluid direct from
the dealer.  I think your transmission requires Chrysler specific
fluid.  I know it fixed ALL of the problems in the Lebaron. Good Luck.

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] Trans fluid

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I was in a walmart and they had that peak global stuff that is also 
approved for MB, but its was the 50/50 mix.  Now to me, I dont like to 
buy premixed coolant.


Mitch Haley wrote:

Donald Snook wrote:

 You might need to buy the fluid direct from the dealer.


You can buy ATF+3 and/or ATF+4 at Wal-Mart. Just don't go looking for 
G-05 antifreeze at any Wal-Mart near me.


Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] Trans fluid

[ernest breakfield]

isn't more life out of it what you were looking for when you posted?   ;-^
   since you already stated that you don't know if it's really got 220K 
or ~>160K on it; i'm not making any assumptions.


   how long should it last? (wait for it!); it depends.
   some American vehicles are lucky to get 60-80K miles on an auto 
trans; many of those are Chrysler products. however, J**ps that had the 
Aisan Warner AW4 trans routinely get 3-400K miles without surprises.


   how can you say that the Lucas goo "didn't hurt anything"? without 
opening it up and inspecting it, how do you know that didn't contribute 
to the problem you're having now?


   if you're going to do a drain, it would probably be wise to drop the 
pan to change the filter and check to see what kind of crud might be 
built up in the pan, especially if you're determined to put some 
detergent wonder-goop that might break loose any buildup and get it 
stuck someplace else more critical in the trans.


   doing a proper fluid (and filter) service or swapping out sensors 
are all cheaper than buying another vehicle, aren't they?
   of course you're really looking for an excuse to get another truck, 
i apologize,...   ;-)



cheers!
e


Curt Raymond wrote:

Gee whiz how much more life do you get out of an auto trans in an American 
vehicle? Cripes I'm tickled to have gotten 220k...

'Sides I've had Lucas in it before and it didn't hurt anything. I'm gonna try 
it again, maybe in a couple weeks I'll let the thing drain (pull a cooler line) 
and refill with M1. I'm sure thats not a full drain but the fluid in there is 
still pretty new.

-Curt

--- On Mon, 10/20/08, ernest breakfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: ernest breakfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trans fluid
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Date: Monday, October 20, 2008, 2:31 PM




  
hi Curt!




not sure which trans is in that rig, but if it's one of the ChryCo
trannys, they don't necessarily have the best reputation for longevity,
and you may be at the end of its natural life.



that said, i've had symptoms like what you describe in one of our
vehicles, and in 2 cases it's been found to be issues with sensors; one
was the Vehicle Speed Sensor in the trans itself, and the other was the
Throttle Position Sensor. changing those out may be cheap enough to try
that i'd try that before i'd commit to chancing using any additives in
it. (i'd also try putting some better ATF like M1 or RedLine in it
before i tried any additives,...)





cheers!

e





Curt Raymond wrote:

  Well back around Christmas Angie had to drive home (about 10 miles) in first 
gear as the trans wouldn't shift up at all.
I drained some out and put in the Lucas, I figured I had nothing to lose at 
that point. I ran it around the neighborhood some (still in first) and put it 
to bed. On Christmas eve (the following day) I ran it around some more and 
found that if I manually shifted into neutral it would then shift up although 
sometimes there was a delay. After more driving (my 190D was getting a new 
starter) it would shift up and down and hardly ever need the neutral trick. I 
had the fluid and filter changed with Mobil 1 and it got even better. Now its 
been oh maybe 15,000 miles and its back.
Remember this is a Dodge Dakota v8 with 220,000 miles on the original trans 
(well, probably original, I bought it with 58,000) and its been worked hard.

I *think* its a sticky valve, the Lucas appears to be ATF with extra detergents 
and some thickener. I only used about half the bottle (the bottle is a quart) 
last time. Figure I'll do the same now, again I've got nothing to lose. I am 
NOT planning on rebuilding the trans in this truck, that'd be dumb, its got 
220,000 miles, it needs a heatercore, radiator, exhaust, and has some pretty 
nasty rust plus some of the paint has failed so rust there is just a matter of 
time. The bumper for instance is just chrome plating foil at this point, theres 
very little metal left. Oh I forgot the transfer case which is also pretty much 
shot... Its been a great truck but its at the end of its useful life.

-Curt

--- On Sun, 10/19/08, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trans fluid
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Date: Sunday, October 19, 2008, 9:33 PM

DO NOT use the Lucas.  My '82 300CD's previous owner did that because 
they (and it was "confirmed" by the MB stealership) thought that the 
trans was in need of a rebuild.  The trans would slip out of first and 
second gears from a stop at anything more than light-moderate throttle.  
Once it was rolling about 10-15mph, it would take a full throttle run 
without any problems.
The first thing I did was cha

Re: [MBZ] Trans fluid

[Curt Raymond]

Interesting and I might at least ask the dealer how much for their magic fluid 
but I would point out that the truck has been fine since Christmas (a little 
Christmas present to me) and that this same shop has changed the fluid 4 times 
since I've owned the truck (150,000+ miles) so it seems like if I were going to 
have problems because of it being the wrong fluid that it should have shown up 
by now yeah?

-Curt

Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 14:20:19 -0500
From: Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trans fluid
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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Ernest
wrote: "hi Curt! not sure which trans is in that rig, but if it's one
of the ChryCo trannys, they don't necessarily have the best reputation
for longevity, and you may be at the end of its natural life."

Well
CRAP, Curt. I remember you sending out the email about your Dakota and
the transmission problem and COMPLETLEY forgot about one of the reasons
you may be having problems.  This is probably one of the Chrysler
trannys that needs the special Dodge/Chrsyler fluid.  I did a
transmission service on my wife's old Lebaron and it started acting
strange. It wouldn't shift or it would shift too fast, or it had no
reverse.  So, I called a friend of mine at the Chrysler dealer and he
told me it was the fluid.  You might need to buy the fluid direct from
the dealer.  I think your transmission requires Chrysler specific
fluid.  I know it fixed ALL of the problems in the Lebaron. Good Luck.

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] Trans fluid

[Curt Raymond]

Gee whiz how much more life do you get out of an auto trans in an American 
vehicle? Cripes I'm tickled to have gotten 220k...

'Sides I've had Lucas in it before and it didn't hurt anything. I'm gonna try 
it again, maybe in a couple weeks I'll let the thing drain (pull a cooler line) 
and refill with M1. I'm sure thats not a full drain but the fluid in there is 
still pretty new.

-Curt

--- On Mon, 10/20/08, ernest breakfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: ernest breakfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trans fluid
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Date: Monday, October 20, 2008, 2:31 PM




  
hi Curt!



    not sure which trans is in that rig, but if it's one of the ChryCo
trannys, they don't necessarily have the best reputation for longevity,
and you may be at the end of its natural life.



    that said, i've had symptoms like what you describe in one of our
vehicles, and in 2 cases it's been found to be issues with sensors; one
was the Vehicle Speed Sensor in the trans itself, and the other was the
Throttle Position Sensor. changing those out may be cheap enough to try
that i'd try that before i'd commit to chancing using any additives in
it. (i'd also try putting some better ATF like M1 or RedLine in it
before i tried any additives,...)





cheers!

e





Curt Raymond wrote:

  Well back around Christmas Angie had to drive home (about 10 miles) in first 
gear as the trans wouldn't shift up at all.
I drained some out and put in the Lucas, I figured I had nothing to lose at 
that point. I ran it around the neighborhood some (still in first) and put it 
to bed. On Christmas eve (the following day) I ran it around some more and 
found that if I manually shifted into neutral it would then shift up although 
sometimes there was a delay. After more driving (my 190D was getting a new 
starter) it would shift up and down and hardly ever need the neutral trick. I 
had the fluid and filter changed with Mobil 1 and it got even better. Now its 
been oh maybe 15,000 miles and its back.
Remember this is a Dodge Dakota v8 with 220,000 miles on the original trans 
(well, probably original, I bought it with 58,000) and its been worked hard.

I *think* its a sticky valve, the Lucas appears to be ATF with extra detergents 
and some thickener. I only used about half the bottle (the bottle is a quart) 
last time. Figure I'll do the same now, again I've got nothing to lose. I am 
NOT planning on rebuilding the trans in this truck, that'd be dumb, its got 
220,000 miles, it needs a heatercore, radiator, exhaust, and has some pretty 
nasty rust plus some of the paint has failed so rust there is just a matter of 
time. The bumper for instance is just chrome plating foil at this point, theres 
very little metal left. Oh I forgot the transfer case which is also pretty much 
shot... Its been a great truck but its at the end of its useful life.

-Curt

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From: Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trans fluid
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Date: Sunday, October 19, 2008, 9:33 PM

DO NOT use the Lucas.  My '82 300CD's previous owner did that because 
they (and it was "confirmed" by the MB stealership) thought that the 
trans was in need of a rebuild.  The trans would slip out of first and 
second gears from a stop at anything more than light-moderate throttle.  
Once it was rolling about 10-15mph, it would take a full throttle run 
without any problems.
The first thing I did was change the fluid and filter.  I used Mobil 1 
ATF and have NEVER regretted the choice.  Less than 1,000mi after the 
change I noticed that I could use heavy throttle, and soon thereafter I 
could hit full throttle from a stop.  This coupe will bark the tires on 
the 1-2 shift!  The trans still works like it should over 20,000 mi later. 

Luther

Curt Raymond wrote:
  
  
Just returned from our second yearly "week at camp". Dad and I

  
  own 85 acres in northern Maine with a little 1 room camp on it. Twice a year 
my
folks and my wife and I manage to not kill each other living in one room for a
week. This trip was the first with the new dog and he worked out just fine.
  
  
Gas in northern Maine is usually $.10-.20 more expensive than in the

  
  Portland area but interestingly over the course of the week prices fell so 
much
that by the time we left the price of gas was lower than when we left
Portland... At one stop on the way up gas fell $0.10 during lunch. Returning
home I see diesel fell $0.30 while we were away. I was going to refuel the 190D
before we left, now I'm glad I didn't...
  
  
Anyway my Dodge is definately on the way out, the trans is playing the

  
  sticky valve game again where it won't upshift. Did it a couple time

Re: [MBZ] Trans fluid

[Mitch Haley]

Donald Snook wrote:

 You might need to buy the fluid direct from the dealer.


You can buy ATF+3 and/or ATF+4 at Wal-Mart. Just don't go looking for G-05 
antifreeze at any Wal-Mart near me.


Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] Trans fluid

[Donald Snook]

Ernest wrote: "hi Curt! not sure which trans is in that rig, but if it's one of 
the ChryCo trannys, they don't necessarily have the best reputation for 
longevity, and you may be at the end of its natural life."

Well CRAP, Curt. I remember you sending out the email about your Dakota and the 
transmission problem and COMPLETLEY forgot about one of the reasons you may be 
having problems.  This is probably one of the Chrysler trannys that needs the 
special Dodge/Chrsyler fluid.  I did a transmission service on my wife's old 
Lebaron and it started acting strange. It wouldn't shift or it would shift too 
fast, or it had no reverse.  So, I called a friend of mine at the Chrysler 
dealer and he told me it was the fluid.  You might need to buy the fluid direct 
from the dealer.  I think your transmission requires Chrysler specific fluid.  
I know it fixed ALL of the problems in the Lebaron. Good Luck.

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] Trans fluid

[ernest breakfield]

hi Curt!

   not sure which trans is in that rig, but if it's one of the ChryCo 
trannys, they don't necessarily have the best reputation for longevity, 
and you may be at the end of its natural life.


   that said, i've had symptoms like what you describe in one of our 
vehicles, and in 2 cases it's been found to be issues with sensors; one 
was the Vehicle Speed Sensor in the trans itself, and the other was the 
Throttle Position Sensor. changing those out may be cheap enough to try 
that i'd try that before i'd commit to chancing using any additives in 
it. (i'd also try putting some better ATF like M1 or RedLine in it 
before i tried any additives,...)



cheers!
e


Curt Raymond wrote:

Well back around Christmas Angie had to drive home (about 10 miles) in first 
gear as the trans wouldn't shift up at all.
I drained some out and put in the Lucas, I figured I had nothing to lose at 
that point. I ran it around the neighborhood some (still in first) and put it 
to bed. On Christmas eve (the following day) I ran it around some more and 
found that if I manually shifted into neutral it would then shift up although 
sometimes there was a delay. After more driving (my 190D was getting a new 
starter) it would shift up and down and hardly ever need the neutral trick. I 
had the fluid and filter changed with Mobil 1 and it got even better. Now its 
been oh maybe 15,000 miles and its back.
Remember this is a Dodge Dakota v8 with 220,000 miles on the original trans 
(well, probably original, I bought it with 58,000) and its been worked hard.

I *think* its a sticky valve, the Lucas appears to be ATF with extra detergents 
and some thickener. I only used about half the bottle (the bottle is a quart) 
last time. Figure I'll do the same now, again I've got nothing to lose. I am 
NOT planning on rebuilding the trans in this truck, that'd be dumb, its got 
220,000 miles, it needs a heatercore, radiator, exhaust, and has some pretty 
nasty rust plus some of the paint has failed so rust there is just a matter of 
time. The bumper for instance is just chrome plating foil at this point, theres 
very little metal left. Oh I forgot the transfer case which is also pretty much 
shot... Its been a great truck but its at the end of its useful life.

-Curt

--- On Sun, 10/19/08, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trans fluid
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Date: Sunday, October 19, 2008, 9:33 PM

DO NOT use the Lucas.  My '82 300CD's previous owner did that because 
they (and it was "confirmed" by the MB stealership) thought that the 
trans was in need of a rebuild.  The trans would slip out of first and 
second gears from a stop at anything more than light-moderate throttle.  
Once it was rolling about 10-15mph, it would take a full throttle run 
without any problems.
The first thing I did was change the fluid and filter.  I used Mobil 1 
ATF and have NEVER regretted the choice.  Less than 1,000mi after the 
change I noticed that I could use heavy throttle, and soon thereafter I 
could hit full throttle from a stop.  This coupe will bark the tires on 
the 1-2 shift!  The trans still works like it should over 20,000 mi later. 


Luther

Curt Raymond wrote:
  

Just returned from our second yearly "week at camp". Dad and I


own 85 acres in northern Maine with a little 1 room camp on it. Twice a year my
folks and my wife and I manage to not kill each other living in one room for a
week. This trip was the first with the new dog and he worked out just fine.
  

Gas in northern Maine is usually $.10-.20 more expensive than in the


Portland area but interestingly over the course of the week prices fell so much
that by the time we left the price of gas was lower than when we left
Portland... At one stop on the way up gas fell $0.10 during lunch. Returning
home I see diesel fell $0.30 while we were away. I was going to refuel the 190D
before we left, now I'm glad I didn't...
  

Anyway my Dodge is definately on the way out, the trans is playing the


sticky valve game again where it won't upshift. Did it a couple times on the
way up, a couple times while we were there and now seems to have stopped. I
definately smelled trans fluid a couple times too. I'm going to put some of
the Lucas additive in again and start looking harder for a new truck. There
seems to be a large crop of full size pickups from 2002ish on sale in the $5000
range which should fit the bill fine. Angie will be driving a car from now on so
the pickup will be the trash/snowmobile (sometimes they're the same
thing)/firewood/scrap haulin mostly weekend mobile and definately doesn't
need to be new. Wish I could justify a diesel but no way...
  

-Curt




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Re: [MBZ] Trans fluid

[Wonko the Sane]

I am not sure when I last did donuts in any vehicle -- but I am sure the
time is counted in decades rather than years or months. Always seemed to me
to be a useless exercise in vehicle abuse, often fueled by excessive
testosterone and cheap beer. Full-throttle acceleration and breaking the
tires loose during an upshift are viewed as cleaning out the carbon.

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 8:44 PM, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Sure, but when is the last time you did a few donuts in a local dirt road
> intersection???  :)  It's a 240, NOT your 300E :)
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Trans fluid

[Curt Raymond]

Well back around Christmas Angie had to drive home (about 10 miles) in first 
gear as the trans wouldn't shift up at all.
I drained some out and put in the Lucas, I figured I had nothing to lose at 
that point. I ran it around the neighborhood some (still in first) and put it 
to bed. On Christmas eve (the following day) I ran it around some more and 
found that if I manually shifted into neutral it would then shift up although 
sometimes there was a delay. After more driving (my 190D was getting a new 
starter) it would shift up and down and hardly ever need the neutral trick. I 
had the fluid and filter changed with Mobil 1 and it got even better. Now its 
been oh maybe 15,000 miles and its back.
Remember this is a Dodge Dakota v8 with 220,000 miles on the original trans 
(well, probably original, I bought it with 58,000) and its been worked hard.

I *think* its a sticky valve, the Lucas appears to be ATF with extra detergents 
and some thickener. I only used about half the bottle (the bottle is a quart) 
last time. Figure I'll do the same now, again I've got nothing to lose. I am 
NOT planning on rebuilding the trans in this truck, that'd be dumb, its got 
220,000 miles, it needs a heatercore, radiator, exhaust, and has some pretty 
nasty rust plus some of the paint has failed so rust there is just a matter of 
time. The bumper for instance is just chrome plating foil at this point, theres 
very little metal left. Oh I forgot the transfer case which is also pretty much 
shot... Its been a great truck but its at the end of its useful life.

-Curt

--- On Sun, 10/19/08, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trans fluid
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Date: Sunday, October 19, 2008, 9:33 PM

DO NOT use the Lucas.  My '82 300CD's previous owner did that because 
they (and it was "confirmed" by the MB stealership) thought that the 
trans was in need of a rebuild.  The trans would slip out of first and 
second gears from a stop at anything more than light-moderate throttle.  
Once it was rolling about 10-15mph, it would take a full throttle run 
without any problems.
The first thing I did was change the fluid and filter.  I used Mobil 1 
ATF and have NEVER regretted the choice.  Less than 1,000mi after the 
change I noticed that I could use heavy throttle, and soon thereafter I 
could hit full throttle from a stop.  This coupe will bark the tires on 
the 1-2 shift!  The trans still works like it should over 20,000 mi later. 

Luther

Curt Raymond wrote:
> Just returned from our second yearly "week at camp". Dad and I
own 85 acres in northern Maine with a little 1 room camp on it. Twice a year my
folks and my wife and I manage to not kill each other living in one room for a
week. This trip was the first with the new dog and he worked out just fine.
>
> Gas in northern Maine is usually $.10-.20 more expensive than in the
Portland area but interestingly over the course of the week prices fell so much
that by the time we left the price of gas was lower than when we left
Portland... At one stop on the way up gas fell $0.10 during lunch. Returning
home I see diesel fell $0.30 while we were away. I was going to refuel the 190D
before we left, now I'm glad I didn't...
>
> Anyway my Dodge is definately on the way out, the trans is playing the
sticky valve game again where it won't upshift. Did it a couple times on the
way up, a couple times while we were there and now seems to have stopped. I
definately smelled trans fluid a couple times too. I'm going to put some of
the Lucas additive in again and start looking harder for a new truck. There
seems to be a large crop of full size pickups from 2002ish on sale in the $5000
range which should fit the bill fine. Angie will be driving a car from now on so
the pickup will be the trash/snowmobile (sometimes they're the same
thing)/firewood/scrap haulin mostly weekend mobile and definately doesn't
need to be new. Wish I could justify a diesel but no way...
>
> -Curt


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Re: [MBZ] Trans fluid

[Luther]

Sure, but when is the last time you did a few donuts in a local dirt 
road intersection???  :)  It's a 240, NOT your 300E :)


Luther

Wonko the Sane wrote:

So will my 240D if the engine is warmed up.

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 8:33 PM, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  

 This coupe will bark the tires on the 1-2 shift!






  


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Re: [MBZ] Trans fluid

[Wonko the Sane]

So will my 240D if the engine is warmed up.

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 8:33 PM, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  This coupe will bark the tires on the 1-2 shift!
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] Trans fluid

[Luther]

DO NOT use the Lucas.  My '82 300CD's previous owner did that because 
they (and it was "confirmed" by the MB stealership) thought that the 
trans was in need of a rebuild.  The trans would slip out of first and 
second gears from a stop at anything more than light-moderate throttle.  
Once it was rolling about 10-15mph, it would take a full throttle run 
without any problems.
The first thing I did was change the fluid and filter.  I used Mobil 1 
ATF and have NEVER regretted the choice.  Less than 1,000mi after the 
change I noticed that I could use heavy throttle, and soon thereafter I 
could hit full throttle from a stop.  This coupe will bark the tires on 
the 1-2 shift!  The trans still works like it should over 20,000 mi later. 


Luther

Curt Raymond wrote:

Just returned from our second yearly "week at camp". Dad and I own 85 acres in 
northern Maine with a little 1 room camp on it. Twice a year my folks and my wife and I 
manage to not kill each other living in one room for a week. This trip was the first with 
the new dog and he worked out just fine.

Gas in northern Maine is usually $.10-.20 more expensive than in the Portland 
area but interestingly over the course of the week prices fell so much that by 
the time we left the price of gas was lower than when we left Portland... At 
one stop on the way up gas fell $0.10 during lunch. Returning home I see diesel 
fell $0.30 while we were away. I was going to refuel the 190D before we left, 
now I'm glad I didn't...

Anyway my Dodge is definately on the way out, the trans is playing the sticky 
valve game again where it won't upshift. Did it a couple times on the way up, a 
couple times while we were there and now seems to have stopped. I definately 
smelled trans fluid a couple times too. I'm going to put some of the Lucas 
additive in again and start looking harder for a new truck. There seems to be a 
large crop of full size pickups from 2002ish on sale in the $5000 range which 
should fit the bill fine. Angie will be driving a car from now on so the pickup 
will be the trash/snowmobile (sometimes they're the same thing)/firewood/scrap 
haulin mostly weekend mobile and definately doesn't need to be new. Wish I 
could justify a diesel but no way...

-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] Trans Fluid

[Peter Frederick]

The factory ones in the radiator are not adequate for heavy duty use -- 
if you are going to pull a trailer of any size, carry full loads for 
long distances, etc, install an additional transmission cooler -- it 
will indeed keep the tranny working.

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] Trans Fluid

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

the 116 does as well.

Marshall Booth wrote:
> Dan Weeks wrote:
>> The single biggest factor in premature trans failure, besides overt  
>> abuse, is heat. WHen I used to tow, I installed a trans temp gauge in  
>> my tow cars. Ran fairly flimsey automatics (700R4) hundreds of  
>> thousands of miles without failures. Just made sure the trans was  
>> running cool. I'd like to plumb one into my 300SD sometime, just for  
>> kicks.
> 
> Your 300SD (if it's a 126) should already have a transmission fluid 
> cooler! Not sure about a 116 SD.
> 
> Marshall

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Re: [MBZ] Trans Fluid

[Marshall Booth]

Dan Weeks wrote:
> The single biggest factor in premature trans failure, besides overt  
> abuse, is heat. WHen I used to tow, I installed a trans temp gauge in  
> my tow cars. Ran fairly flimsey automatics (700R4) hundreds of  
> thousands of miles without failures. Just made sure the trans was  
> running cool. I'd like to plumb one into my 300SD sometime, just for  
> kicks.

Your 300SD (if it's a 126) should already have a transmission fluid 
cooler! Not sure about a 116 SD.

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[MBZ] Trans Fluid

[Dan Weeks]

The single biggest factor in premature trans failure, besides overt  
abuse, is heat. WHen I used to tow, I installed a trans temp gauge in  
my tow cars. Ran fairly flimsey automatics (700R4) hundreds of  
thousands of miles without failures. Just made sure the trans was  
running cool. I'd like to plumb one into my 300SD sometime, just for  
kicks.

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] Trans fluid

[RELNGSON]

<>

Hmmm. If you had been paying attention, you would have read the posts right 
here that the lifetime fluid's change interval is now officially 39K miles. 
Posted over a year ago. Without a torque converter drain, you can only drain 
about half of it but that's better than nothing. I did.

You talked to the wrong person at the dealer.

RLE


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Re: [MBZ] Trans fluid level on 300E

[LarryT]

The only level I would rust is the hot & running method.  The fluid must 
fill the valve body passages as well as the torque converter and any other 
areas where fluid is needed.  IMHO, as fluid drains back after the engine is 
turned off and begins to cool, the fluid would flow in a non-consistant 
manner making the checking of fluid level inaccurate.


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Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 12:56 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Trans fluid level on 300E



Hey everyone,

Checking the fluid on the trans.  Want to make sure I'm doing it right.
Hand books says running in P, hot.  In this state, it reads low, but once
the car is turned off, the level reads above the high line.  I thought the
book said when turned off of the fluid has slightly cooled, it should be a
half inch below the low line?  Need a little clarifications.and talk
slow, I'm dumb. :-)

Car is an '88 300E gaser.  3.0L engine.

Thanks everyone,
Ed
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Re: [MBZ] Trans fluid level on 300E

[John M McIntosh]

Oddly chasing a transmission shift problem on my sedan I had to go  
out and check the transmission fluid. Normally I don't do that because
of the risk of introducing contaminants. Ya lint free micro-fiber  
cloth etc...


In checking the w140 owners manual it says, run car til hot. I've  
heard 15-20 minutes. Park, leave in park , let idle 1-2 minutes, keep  
motor running, unlatch dipstick head, remove, clean,
put stick back in all the way down. Check fluid, it was hard to read,  
mine seemed to imply it was above the high line.


Further to this it says:

To check fluid when COLD, like when driven from the lot into the shop  
after being parked all night, it would be I think it said 10mm below  
low line.


On May 14, 2007, at 9:56 AM, E M wrote:


Hey everyone,

Checking the fluid on the trans.  Want to make sure I'm doing it  
right.
Hand books says running in P, hot.  In this state, it reads low,  
but once
the car is turned off, the level reads above the high line.  I  
thought the
book said when turned off of the fluid has slightly cooled, it  
should be a
half inch below the low line?  Need a little clarifications.and  
talk

slow, I'm dumb. :-)

Car is an '88 300E gaser.  3.0L engine.

Thanks everyone,
Ed
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[MBZ] Trans fluid level on 300E

[E M]

Hey everyone,

Checking the fluid on the trans.  Want to make sure I'm doing it right.
Hand books says running in P, hot.  In this state, it reads low, but once
the car is turned off, the level reads above the high line.  I thought the
book said when turned off of the fluid has slightly cooled, it should be a
half inch below the low line?  Need a little clarifications.and talk
slow, I'm dumb. :-)

Car is an '88 300E gaser.  3.0L engine.

Thanks everyone,
Ed

Re: [MBZ] trans fluid level.

[E M]

Thanks Sunil.  Needs just a little top up I think. :-)

Ed
300E

On 22/04/07, Sunil Hari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


with an engine at operating temp (85 degrees), fluid should be at the top
line.  Difference between the lines is ~ 0.3L IIRC

On 4/22/07, E M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> Mentioned a slight drip from the trans a while back.  First hot day here
> today, and drove the car for about half hour.  That trans dipstick gets
> hot.
> hee hee.  On the lower part of the stick, there are a couple of bends
and
> what not, and also two lines scrolled in the stick.  With the car warm,
in
> Park with just under 1000 rpm, where should the level be?  Also, what is
> the
> difference in litres between the two lines?  Car is a '88 E300 with a
gas
> engine by the way...3.0 litre.
>
> Now, back to working on the timing belt I broke the other day on the old
> Sunbird.
>
> Thanks everyone.
>
> Ed
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Re: [MBZ] trans fluid level.

[Sunil Hari]

with an engine at operating temp (85 degrees), fluid should be at the top
line.  Difference between the lines is ~ 0.3L IIRC

On 4/22/07, E M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi Everyone,

Mentioned a slight drip from the trans a while back.  First hot day here
today, and drove the car for about half hour.  That trans dipstick gets
hot.
hee hee.  On the lower part of the stick, there are a couple of bends and
what not, and also two lines scrolled in the stick.  With the car warm, in
Park with just under 1000 rpm, where should the level be?  Also, what is
the
difference in litres between the two lines?  Car is a '88 E300 with a gas
engine by the way...3.0 litre.

Now, back to working on the timing belt I broke the other day on the old
Sunbird.

Thanks everyone.

Ed
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[MBZ] trans fluid level.

[E M]

Hi Everyone,

Mentioned a slight drip from the trans a while back.  First hot day here
today, and drove the car for about half hour.  That trans dipstick gets hot.
hee hee.  On the lower part of the stick, there are a couple of bends and
what not, and also two lines scrolled in the stick.  With the car warm, in
Park with just under 1000 rpm, where should the level be?  Also, what is the
difference in litres between the two lines?  Car is a '88 E300 with a gas
engine by the way...3.0 litre.

Now, back to working on the timing belt I broke the other day on the old
Sunbird.

Thanks everyone.

Ed
300E

Re: [MBZ] Trans fluid leak when cold starting

[Lee Einer]

I am sure the transmission is not overfilled. Checked it roughly a week 
ago. Don't know where the vent on top is, or how to check it for 
obstruction.


Lee

Marshall Booth wrote:


Lee Einer wrote:
 

OK, the Benz now runs fairly nice with new glow plugs, new injector, new 
fuel filters. A block heater from DieselGiant is on its way for the 
colder winter days. But it seems another problem has developed.


The Benz (1980 300CD, auto trans) piddles transmission fluid onto the 
driveway when it is started cold. This did not begin to happen until we 
had the cold days here, and it does not seem to persist once the car is 
warmed up.


Is this common? How to fix?


   



Are you SURE the transmission isn't overfilled (can only be checked 
after driving for 15-20 minutes - will read low to VERY low if checked 
cold - if filled to even the low mark when cold, it will be WAY 
overfilled) and the vent (on top) isn't plugged? On some transmissions 
the connection between the dipstick tube and the pan leaks. This CAN be 
resealed (but I've never tried it).


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Re: [MBZ] Trans fluid leak when cold starting

[Marshall Booth]

Marshall Booth wrote:



Are you SURE the transmission isn't overfilled (can only be checked 
after driving for 15-20 minutes - will read low to VERY low if checked 
cold - if filled to even the low mark when cold, it will be WAY 
overfilled) and the vent (on top) isn't plugged? On some transmissions 
the connection between the dipstick tube and the pan leaks. This CAN be 
resealed (but I've never tried it).


Marshall


This site illustrates where the fluid level should be:

http://skinnerbox.steaky.org/Service/W123/w123CD2/Program/Maintenance/MY81/2710.pdf

Its 30 mm below the low mark for a 722.1 series transmission when it's 
cold (20-30 deg. C.) vs the high mark when it's at operating temp (80 
deg. C.).


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Re: [MBZ] Trans fluid leak when cold starting

[Marshall Booth]

Lee Einer wrote:
OK, the Benz now runs fairly nice with new glow plugs, new injector, new 
fuel filters. A block heater from DieselGiant is on its way for the 
colder winter days. But it seems another problem has developed.


The Benz (1980 300CD, auto trans) piddles transmission fluid onto the 
driveway when it is started cold. This did not begin to happen until we 
had the cold days here, and it does not seem to persist once the car is 
warmed up.


Is this common? How to fix?




Are you SURE the transmission isn't overfilled (can only be checked 
after driving for 15-20 minutes - will read low to VERY low if checked 
cold - if filled to even the low mark when cold, it will be WAY 
overfilled) and the vent (on top) isn't plugged? On some transmissions 
the connection between the dipstick tube and the pan leaks. This CAN be 
resealed (but I've never tried it).


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[MBZ] Trans fluid leak when cold starting

[Lee Einer]

OK, the Benz now runs fairly nice with new glow plugs, new injector, new 
fuel filters. A block heater from DieselGiant is on its way for the 
colder winter days. But it seems another problem has developed.


The Benz (1980 300CD, auto trans) piddles transmission fluid onto the 
driveway when it is started cold. This did not begin to happen until we 
had the cold days here, and it does not seem to persist once the car is 
warmed up.


Is this common? How to fix?


--


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Re: [MBZ] trans fluid level

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Well Im glad to see you made it back in one piece.

Luther Gulseth wrote:

Kaleb, up there was lots of free beer and hot women to dance with.  More  
commonly known as a wedding party for my cousin.


On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 18:37:20 -0600, Luther Gulseth  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:





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Re: [MBZ] trans fluid level

[Luther Gulseth]

Kaleb, up there was lots of free beer and hot women to dance with.  More  
commonly known as a wedding party for my cousin.


On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 18:37:20 -0600, Luther Gulseth  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Off to KS and IL with the SD and freshly topped off Trans fluid.  Turned
out I was about 2.25 qts low.  Shifts exacly like normal now.going to
STL for Fri/Sa/Sun.  Laters!
Luther

On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 22:44:23 -0600, Bob Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Luther typed:

"off to KS and IL "

IL? I'm sorry. Illinois is a good place to be FROM.

Bob Rentfro (1982 Illinois refugee)
'77 300D 142K
Litchfield Park, AZ


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'82 300CD (Slate grey, black MBTex, WVO/D mix)
'82 300D '90 300E (both parts or can run??)

Re: [MBZ] trans fluid level

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

whats going on up there?

Luther Gulseth wrote:

Off to KS and IL with the SD and freshly topped off Trans fluid.  Turned  
out I was about 2.25 qts low.  Shifts exacly like normal now.going to  
STL for Fri/Sa/Sun.  Laters!

Luther

On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 22:44:23 -0600, Bob Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Luther typed:

"off to KS and IL "

IL? I'm sorry. Illinois is a good place to be FROM.

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'77 300D 142K
Litchfield Park, AZ


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Re: [MBZ] trans fluid level

[Luther Gulseth]

Off to KS and IL with the SD and freshly topped off Trans fluid.  Turned  
out I was about 2.25 qts low.  Shifts exacly like normal now.going to  
STL for Fri/Sa/Sun.  Laters!

Luther

On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 22:44:23 -0600, Bob Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Luther typed:

"off to KS and IL "

IL? I'm sorry. Illinois is a good place to be FROM.

Bob Rentfro (1982 Illinois refugee)
'77 300D 142K
Litchfield Park, AZ


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'82 300CD (Slate grey, black MBTex, WVO/D mix)
'82 300D '90 300E (both parts or can run??)

Re: [MBZ] trans fluid level

[Bob Rentfro]

Luther typed:

"off to KS and IL "

IL? I'm sorry. Illinois is a good place to be FROM.

Bob Rentfro (1982 Illinois refugee)
'77 300D 142K
Litchfield Park, AZ

Re: [MBZ] trans fluid level

[Luther Gulseth]

it was.  The fluid was about 2qt low, I just couldn't tell easliy how low  
it really was and it took me a bit to get the fluid high enough to warm  
the trans up.  It's driving as normal now :D


Luther, off to KS and IL in Gold Dust.

On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 08:09:06 -0600, Hans Neureiter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:


Luther; FWIW, I am afraid that your slippage is not neccessarily ATF  
level

related.
My '82 300SD with a 722.303 tranny has bad leaks and it always is low on
ATF. The higher I fill it, the worse it leaks.
Low is not a problem, overfilling is B A A A D.
I don't even check it anymore. I just carry a quart of ATF and a funnel  
in

the trunk. When it gets too low I know because it stays in first gear. I
pour the quart in and I'm going again for months.





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Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (happily running WVO/diesel mix)
'82 300CD (Slate grey, black MBTex, WVO/D mix)
'82 300D '90 300E (both parts or can run??)

Re: [MBZ] trans fluid level

[Marshall Booth]

Christopher McCann wrote:

assuming levels are correct AND the tranny vent is  clogged - would there be 
any symptoms? Might this explain why I can  never consistently get a correct 
ATF level reading (too low cold, too  high hot)?


Not a clue. When I get incorrect readings I insure that I'm reading the 
stick correctly and if I am, then I correct the fluid level. The vent 
WILL usually eventually clog just like the fuel line vent commonly 
clogs. It needs to be checked whenever the car is up in the air and the 
flex discs or tranny mount is being checked! It's part of routine 
maintenance.


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] trans fluid level

[Hans Neureiter]

Luther; FWIW, I am afraid that your slippage is not neccessarily ATF level
related.
My '82 300SD with a 722.303 tranny has bad leaks and it always is low on
ATF. The higher I fill it, the worse it leaks.
Low is not a problem, overfilling is B A A A D.
I don't even check it anymore. I just carry a quart of ATF and a funnel in
the trunk. When it gets too low I know because it stays in first gear. I
pour the quart in and I'm going again for months.

 On 11/8/05, Luther Gulseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> when a problem occurs, like my hard trans cooler line having a BAD leak,
> car ('83 300SD) being towed home, no accurate idea of the amounts of fluid
> lost.how does one tell how much fluid to add back into the system?
> When the car was cold/off after the repair, I could see fluid on the very
> bottom of the dip stick, so I added about a quart in small increments with
> the engine running. I tried driving about 1-2 miles, and down hill it
> seemed ok, but did slip a bit. Coming back up the gentle hill, it was
> slipping constantly. I'm going to check the fluid level in the AM when
> it's cold and see where it lies. How do I tell by the dip stick how much
> fluid is needed? I've done several fluid changes, but that's easier on my
> brain...this is new territory.
>
> Also, what are the differences in a overfilled and underfilled trans? How
> will each one act? I've been through low once, so I kinda know how it
> acts, and I'm really curious about how an overfilled tranny acts. TIA
> all
>
> --
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> Alma, Ark
> '83 300SD (happily running WVO/diesel mix)
> '82 300CD (Slate grey, black MBTex, WVO/D mix)
> '82 300D '90 300E (both parts or can run??)
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Re: [MBZ] trans fluid level

[Christopher McCann]

assuming levels are correct AND the tranny vent is  clogged - would there be 
any symptoms? Might this explain why I can  never consistently get a correct 
ATF level reading (too low cold, too  high hot)?
  
  Chris

Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Christopher McCann wrote:
> mine was overfilled by one quart (85 300SD) and I
> noticed no difference except an ATF seep...dripping
> from seals onto floor. A little more overfilled and
> the idiot would have blown my gaskets. Recall a list
> member a while back who was overfilled 2 quarts and
> got a few miles b4 tranny blew the gaskets.
> 
> The manual explains how to check the tranny level -
> has to be hot if I recall...like drive 25 miles hot,
> then with engine running, after 1-2 minutes of idle,
> you check it. I could be remembering this all wrong,
> so check the manual or someone who knows better than I
> will pipe up. It's still, IMO, very inaccurate,
> inconsistent and VERY annoying.

If the vent on top of the transmission is open (it need to be checked 
and cleaned from time to time to be sure it is open), NOTHING will blow 
out. It MAY leak out and make a mess though! The big problem with 
overfilling is foaming and what that does when the transmission shifts - 
especially under full load!

I heard the story about the transmission blowing out - that's HOGWASH! 
The transmission MAY have failed, but it didn't blow out!

Marshall
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-1985 300SD, 209K miles, "Wulf" 
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WVO/WMO/LO/CO/WATF/WGL/WBF/DA/MS/lard/gas/kero/D2 mix (do not attempt this at 
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Re: [MBZ] trans fluid level

[Luther Gulseth]

Ok.  When checking fluid on a cold trans, how long should I idle the car  
to fill the torque converter?  Next question, what distance on the  
dipstick equates to 1/2 pint of fluid?


On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 23:36:40 -0600, Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:



Luther Gulseth wrote:
So, simply (I'm deathly afraid of an overfill) if the transmission  
slips,

add more fluid in small amounts until it comfortably stops slipping.  At
this point I will be able to drive the 15+ minutes to warm everything  
up,

and then properly check the fluid.  Is this a safe conclusion?


NO. That won't work because there are a LOT of things besides fluid
level that will cause slipping and adding more fluid may make a bigger
mess. Add fluid until the levels on the dipstick are correct - and then
if the transmission isn't working as it should, it's something OTHER
than the fluid level!

When cold, the level should be about 10 mm BELOW the lower mark. Hot the
level should be at the upper level.

Marshall




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'83 300SD (happily running WVO/diesel mix)
'82 300CD (Slate grey, black MBTex, WVO/D mix)
'82 300D '90 300E (both parts or can run??)

Re: [MBZ] trans fluid level

[Marshall Booth]

Luther Gulseth wrote:
So, simply (I'm deathly afraid of an overfill) if the transmission slips,  
add more fluid in small amounts until it comfortably stops slipping.  At  
this point I will be able to drive the 15+ minutes to warm everything up,  
and then properly check the fluid.  Is this a safe conclusion?


NO. That won't work because there are a LOT of things besides fluid 
level that will cause slipping and adding more fluid may make a bigger 
mess. Add fluid until the levels on the dipstick are correct - and then 
if the transmission isn't working as it should, it's something OTHER 
than the fluid level!


When cold, the level should be about 10 mm BELOW the lower mark. Hot the 
level should be at the upper level.


Marshall
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turbo 237kmi

Re: [MBZ] trans fluid level

[Marshall Booth]

Christopher McCann wrote:

mine was overfilled by one quart (85 300SD) and I
noticed no difference except an ATF seep...dripping
from seals onto floor. A little more overfilled and
the idiot would have blown my gaskets. Recall a list
member a while back who was overfilled 2 quarts and
got a few miles b4 tranny blew the gaskets.

The manual explains how to check the tranny level -
has to be hot if I recall...like drive 25 miles hot,
then with engine running, after 1-2 minutes of idle,
you check it. I could be remembering this all wrong,
so check the manual or someone who knows better than I
will pipe up. It's still, IMO, very inaccurate,
inconsistent and VERY annoying.


If the vent on top of the transmission is open (it need to be checked 
and cleaned from time to time to be sure it is open), NOTHING will blow 
out. It MAY leak out and make a mess though! The big problem with 
overfilling is foaming and what that does when the transmission shifts - 
especially under full load!


I heard the story about the transmission blowing out - that's HOGWASH! 
The transmission MAY have failed, but it didn't blow out!


Marshall
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  "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
'87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 
turbo 237kmi

Re: [MBZ] trans fluid level

[Luther Gulseth]

So, simply (I'm deathly afraid of an overfill) if the transmission slips,  
add more fluid in small amounts until it comfortably stops slipping.  At  
this point I will be able to drive the 15+ minutes to warm everything up,  
and then properly check the fluid.  Is this a safe conclusion?


On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 23:18:07 -0600, Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:



Luther Gulseth wrote:

when a problem occurs, like my hard trans cooler line having a BAD leak,
car ('83 300SD) being towed home, no accurate idea of the amounts of  
fluid

lost.how does one tell how much fluid to add back into the system?
When the car was cold/off after the repair, I could see fluid on the  
very
bottom of the dip stick, so I added about a quart in small increments  
with

the engine running.  I tried driving about 1-2 miles, and down hill it
seemed ok, but did slip a bit.  Coming back up the gentle hill, it was
slipping constantly.  I'm going to check the fluid level in the AM when
it's cold and see where it lies.  How do I tell by the dip stick how  
much
fluid is needed?  I've done several fluid changes, but that's easier on  
my

brain...this is new territory.

Also, what are the differences in a overfilled and underfilled trans?  
How

will each one act?  I've been through low once, so I kinda know how it
acts, and I'm really curious about how an overfilled tranny acts.  TIA
all



When you check fluid in the transmission when it's cold (engine started
and running so the torque converter is filled) the level of a 722.3
series transmission should roughly be 10-12 mm below the lower mark on
the dip stick. After you drive for 15+ minutes (to warm the fluid up to
normal operating temp) and check again and the level should be at or
topped up to the upper mark. The difference between the upper and lower
mark is 0.3 liters (~1/3rd qt). An under filled transmission will result
(or make worse) in slipping - especially when cold. Over filling will
result in foaming and jarring shifts when driven hard and this can do a
LOT of damage.

Marshall





--
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Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (happily running WVO/diesel mix)
'82 300CD (Slate grey, black MBTex, WVO/D mix)
'82 300D '90 300E (both parts or can run??)

Re: [MBZ] trans fluid level

[Marshall Booth]

Luther Gulseth wrote:
when a problem occurs, like my hard trans cooler line having a BAD leak,  
car ('83 300SD) being towed home, no accurate idea of the amounts of fluid  
lost.how does one tell how much fluid to add back into the system?   
When the car was cold/off after the repair, I could see fluid on the very  
bottom of the dip stick, so I added about a quart in small increments with  
the engine running.  I tried driving about 1-2 miles, and down hill it  
seemed ok, but did slip a bit.  Coming back up the gentle hill, it was  
slipping constantly.  I'm going to check the fluid level in the AM when  
it's cold and see where it lies.  How do I tell by the dip stick how much  
fluid is needed?  I've done several fluid changes, but that's easier on my  
brain...this is new territory.


Also, what are the differences in a overfilled and underfilled trans? How  
will each one act?  I've been through low once, so I kinda know how it  
acts, and I'm really curious about how an overfilled tranny acts.  TIA  
all




When you check fluid in the transmission when it's cold (engine started 
and running so the torque converter is filled) the level of a 722.3 
series transmission should roughly be 10-12 mm below the lower mark on 
the dip stick. After you drive for 15+ minutes (to warm the fluid up to 
normal operating temp) and check again and the level should be at or 
topped up to the upper mark. The difference between the upper and lower 
mark is 0.3 liters (~1/3rd qt). An under filled transmission will result 
(or make worse) in slipping - especially when cold. Over filling will 
result in foaming and jarring shifts when driven hard and this can do a 
LOT of damage.


Marshall

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  "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
'87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 
turbo 237kmi

Re: [MBZ] trans fluid level

[Christopher McCann]

mine was overfilled by one quart (85 300SD) and I
noticed no difference except an ATF seep...dripping
from seals onto floor. A little more overfilled and
the idiot would have blown my gaskets. Recall a list
member a while back who was overfilled 2 quarts and
got a few miles b4 tranny blew the gaskets.

The manual explains how to check the tranny level -
has to be hot if I recall...like drive 25 miles hot,
then with engine running, after 1-2 minutes of idle,
you check it. I could be remembering this all wrong,
so check the manual or someone who knows better than I
will pipe up. It's still, IMO, very inaccurate,
inconsistent and VERY annoying.

Chris 

--- Luther Gulseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> when a problem occurs, like my hard trans cooler
> line having a BAD leak,  
> car ('83 300SD) being towed home, no accurate idea
> of the amounts of fluid  
> lost.how does one tell how much fluid to add
> back into the system?   
> When the car was cold/off after the repair, I could
> see fluid on the very  
> bottom of the dip stick, so I added about a quart in
> small increments with  
> the engine running.  I tried driving about 1-2
> miles, and down hill it  
> seemed ok, but did slip a bit.  Coming back up the
> gentle hill, it was  
> slipping constantly.  I'm going to check the fluid
> level in the AM when  
> it's cold and see where it lies.  How do I tell by
> the dip stick how much  
> fluid is needed?  I've done several fluid changes,
> but that's easier on my  
> brain...this is new territory.
> 
> Also, what are the differences in a overfilled and
> underfilled trans? How  
> will each one act?  I've been through low once, so I
> kinda know how it  
> acts, and I'm really curious about how an overfilled
> tranny acts.  TIA  
> all
> 
> -- 
> Luther  KB5QHU
> Alma, Ark
> '83 300SD (happily running WVO/diesel mix)
> '82 300CD (Slate grey, black MBTex, WVO/D mix)
> '82 300D '90 300E (both parts or can run??)
> 
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-1987 300TD, 150K miles, "Rotkäppchen" (Little Red Riding Hood)
-1985 300SD, 209K miles, "Wulf" 
(http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
-1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen 
= Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) running 
WVO/WMO/LO/CO/WATF/WGL/WBF/DA/MS/lard/gas/kero/D2 mix (do not attempt this at 
home!)
-1972 Jacobsen 21" Turbo Vent
-1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38" deck, Snowcaster, "One Banger"



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[MBZ] trans fluid level

[Luther Gulseth]

when a problem occurs, like my hard trans cooler line having a BAD leak,  
car ('83 300SD) being towed home, no accurate idea of the amounts of fluid  
lost.how does one tell how much fluid to add back into the system?   
When the car was cold/off after the repair, I could see fluid on the very  
bottom of the dip stick, so I added about a quart in small increments with  
the engine running.  I tried driving about 1-2 miles, and down hill it  
seemed ok, but did slip a bit.  Coming back up the gentle hill, it was  
slipping constantly.  I'm going to check the fluid level in the AM when  
it's cold and see where it lies.  How do I tell by the dip stick how much  
fluid is needed?  I've done several fluid changes, but that's easier on my  
brain...this is new territory.


Also, what are the differences in a overfilled and underfilled trans? How  
will each one act?  I've been through low once, so I kinda know how it  
acts, and I'm really curious about how an overfilled tranny acts.  TIA  
all


--
Luther  KB5QHU
Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (happily running WVO/diesel mix)
'82 300CD (Slate grey, black MBTex, WVO/D mix)
'82 300D '90 300E (both parts or can run??)

Re: [MBZ] Trans fluid changes

[OK Don]

After changing broken/leaking fuel lines right out of the tank, with
nearly full tanks, on both a vergasser and a Diesel Mercedes, a pan
full of tranny fluid down my arms is nothing. I have a plentifull
supply of vender supplied T-shirts specially saved to get stained by
Diesel oil and other Mercedes related fluids.


On 10/12/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> < is a MESSY job even with a pit or lift!>>
>
> It's hard to match the joy of lying on your back under your MB (on four
> jackstands) with transmission fluid running down your arms, ruining your 
> clothes
> and staining the driveway surface.
>
> I change my trans fluid with my Visa card, now. Some tings just ain't wuth
> it.
>
> RLE/Seattle
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OK Don, KD5NRO
Norman, OK
'87 300SDL,  '81 240D,  '78 450SLC
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Re: [MBZ] Trans fluid changes

[Rich Thomas]

I did mine about a year ago, I think I might have used the $2 oil sucker 
to get a lot of the fluid out (I can't remember if it did or did not 
work on the Benz, it definitely worked on my truck and Caddie -- cleaned 
the pans nearly dry), still had to do the TC.  Don't recall it being 
that messy though, or maybe my tolerance level is fairly high.  I just 
put down some plastic sheet and newspapers and a big old dishpan and 
that works pretty well to catch most of the drainage.


--R

Marshall Booth wrote:


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 

It's hard to match the joy of lying on your back under your MB (on four 
jackstands) with transmission fluid running down your arms, ruining your clothes 
and staining the driveway surface. 

I change my trans fluid with my Visa card, now. Some tings just ain't wuth 
it.
   



I'm with you! Maybe it's an age thing ;-)

Marshall
 

Re: [MBZ] Trans fluid changes

[Marshall Booth]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

It's hard to match the joy of lying on your back under your MB (on four 
jackstands) with transmission fluid running down your arms, ruining your clothes 
and staining the driveway surface. 

I change my trans fluid with my Visa card, now. Some tings just ain't wuth 
it.


I'm with you! Maybe it's an age thing ;-)

Marshall
--
Marshall Booth Ph.D.
Ass't Prof. (ret.)
Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
Department of Pharmacology  1300 BST
Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

[MBZ] Trans fluid changes

[RELNGSON]

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It's hard to match the joy of lying on your back under your MB (on four 
jackstands) with transmission fluid running down your arms, ruining your 
clothes 
and staining the driveway surface. 

I change my trans fluid with my Visa card, now. Some tings just ain't wuth 
it.

RLE/Seattle