Re: [MBZ] ULTIMATE 123
Yes, one bad accumulator will cause the same symptom but to a lesser degree. I'd recommend replacing both this time, so you've got two new accumulators (old rule when replacing anything suspension/brake related is to do both sides of the axle at once to keep the car balanced). Replacing just one is like replacing just one bad shock absorber. I had just one bad accumulator, and it caused a very bouncy ride when towing my sail boat; I replaced both. I measured the distance from inlet to rubber diaphragm with a stick to compare new to old. One old was much 'deeper' than the other, and both old were 'deeper' than the new accumulators. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 2:36 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] ULTIMATE 123 Both were replaced a few thousand/ 2 years ago with one new and one supposedly good used one. If the used one went bad, would the symptoms be the same with TWO bad asccumulators? On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 11:25 AM, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote: If the car isn't sagging too much, this is very likely the rear accumulators/spheres. They don't last forever. Definitely a DIY job. andrew strasfogel wrote: Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 9:43 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] ULTIMATE 123 My 83 wagon (with the 85 transmission) is pure joy to drive, although it takes the bumps a bit harshly in the rear (can't figure out why) and the fuel economy is disappointing for stop and go driving. The 85 wagon is buried under 33 of snow. I should be able to extricate it by early March, if I am lucky. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ULTIMATE 123
WOW, that is awesomely useful advice. The only caveat is that the rear suspension is not so much bouncy as it is jarring when I go over bumps. Although the car rides nice and high, it feels like there is no give whatsoever in the rear, compared to the front which takes every bump smoothly with its new pair of Bilstein shocks. Andrew On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 7:53 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil wrote: Yes, one bad accumulator will cause the same symptom but to a lesser degree. I'd recommend replacing both this time, so you've got two new accumulators (old rule when replacing anything suspension/brake related is to do both sides of the axle at once to keep the car balanced). Replacing just one is like replacing just one bad shock absorber. I had just one bad accumulator, and it caused a very bouncy ride when towing my sail boat; I replaced both. I measured the distance from inlet to rubber diaphragm with a stick to compare new to old. One old was much 'deeper' than the other, and both old were 'deeper' than the new accumulators. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 2:36 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] ULTIMATE 123 Both were replaced a few thousand/ 2 years ago with one new and one supposedly good used one. If the used one went bad, would the symptoms be the same with TWO bad asccumulators? On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 11:25 AM, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote: If the car isn't sagging too much, this is very likely the rear accumulators/spheres. They don't last forever. Definitely a DIY job. andrew strasfogel wrote: Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 9:43 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] ULTIMATE 123 My 83 wagon (with the 85 transmission) is pure joy to drive, although it takes the bumps a bit harshly in the rear (can't figure out why) and the fuel economy is disappointing for stop and go driving. The 85 wagon is buried under 33 of snow. I should be able to extricate it by early March, if I am lucky. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ULTIMATE 123
andrew strasfogel wrote: WOW, that is awesomely useful advice. The only caveat is that the rear suspension is not so much bouncy as it is jarring when I go over bumps. Although the car rides nice and high, it feels like there is no give whatsoever in the rear, compared to the front which takes every bump smoothly with its new pair of Bilstein shocks. The compressible gas in the spheres is what provides the 'give'. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ULTIMATE 123
I've heard people describe it both ways, but the cause is the same: lack of nitrogen in the accumulators. The valves in the hydraulic struts and the accumulators provide the same function as shock absorbers (but the valves in the struts do not wear out, so prime suspect is the accumulators). The control valve provides load leveling capability. If you continue to drive it, you risk damaging the control valve, which is pricey to replace. There are rebuild kits available; I tried twice and failed to successfully rebuild one. David Bruckman maybe has had better success? -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 11:32 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] ULTIMATE 123 WOW, that is awesomely useful advice. The only caveat is that the rear suspension is not so much bouncy as it is jarring when I go over bumps. Although the car rides nice and high, it feels like there is no give whatsoever in the rear, compared to the front which takes every bump smoothly with its new pair of Bilstein shocks. Andrew On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 7:53 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil wrote: Yes, one bad accumulator will cause the same symptom but to a lesser degree. I'd recommend replacing both this time, so you've got two new accumulators (old rule when replacing anything suspension/brake related is to do both sides of the axle at once to keep the car balanced). Replacing just one is like replacing just one bad shock absorber. I had just one bad accumulator, and it caused a very bouncy ride when towing my sail boat; I replaced both. I measured the distance from inlet to rubber diaphragm with a stick to compare new to old. One old was much 'deeper' than the other, and both old were 'deeper' than the new accumulators. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 2:36 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] ULTIMATE 123 Both were replaced a few thousand/ 2 years ago with one new and one supposedly good used one. If the used one went bad, would the symptoms be the same with TWO bad asccumulators? On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 11:25 AM, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote: If the car isn't sagging too much, this is very likely the rear accumulators/spheres. They don't last forever. Definitely a DIY job. andrew strasfogel wrote: Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 9:43 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] ULTIMATE 123 My 83 wagon (with the 85 transmission) is pure joy to drive, although it takes the bumps a bit harshly in the rear (can't figure out why) and the fuel economy is disappointing for stop and go driving. The 85 wagon is buried under 33 of snow. I should be able to extricate it by early March, if I am lucky. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ULTIMATE 123
andrew strasfogel wrote: WOW, that is awesomely useful advice. The only caveat is that the rear suspension is not so much bouncy as it is jarring when I go over bumps. Accurate description of both of my wagons before replacing both accumulators. With new accumulators, both feel very much like the sedans - but with self-leveling! -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ULTIMATE 123
Ok Don wrote: I think an SEC would be nice -- need to drive one someday. Me too! I saw a 91 560 SEC for sale yesterday. Those are really beautiful cars. My Indy also has a 95 S500 coupe that I have been lusting after. But, I don't think I can afford to own one. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ULTIMATE 123
My 83 wagon (with the 85 transmission) is pure joy to drive, although it takes the bumps a bit harshly in the rear (can't figure out why) and the fuel economy is disappointing for stop and go driving. The 85 wagon is buried under 33 of snow. I should be able to extricate it by early March, if I am lucky. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote: Ok Don wrote: I think an SEC would be nice -- need to drive one someday. Me too! I saw a 91 560 SEC for sale yesterday. Those are really beautiful cars. My Indy also has a 95 S500 coupe that I have been lusting after. But, I don't think I can afford to own one. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ULTIMATE 123
Andrew, sounds like your SLS accumulators are shot - they only last about 100k / 10 years or so... -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 9:43 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] ULTIMATE 123 My 83 wagon (with the 85 transmission) is pure joy to drive, although it takes the bumps a bit harshly in the rear (can't figure out why) and the fuel economy is disappointing for stop and go driving. The 85 wagon is buried under 33 of snow. I should be able to extricate it by early March, if I am lucky. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote: Ok Don wrote: I think an SEC would be nice -- need to drive one someday. Me too! I saw a 91 560 SEC for sale yesterday. Those are really beautiful cars. My Indy also has a 95 S500 coupe that I have been lusting after. But, I don't think I can afford to own one. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ULTIMATE 123
If the car isn't sagging too much, this is very likely the rear accumulators/spheres. They don't last forever. Definitely a DIY job. andrew strasfogel wrote: Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 9:43 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] ULTIMATE 123 My 83 wagon (with the 85 transmission) is pure joy to drive, although it takes the bumps a bit harshly in the rear (can't figure out why) and the fuel economy is disappointing for stop and go driving. The 85 wagon is buried under 33 of snow. I should be able to extricate it by early March, if I am lucky. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ULTIMATE 123
Both were replaced a few thousand/ 2 years ago with one new and one supposedly good used one. If the used one went bad, would the symptoms be the same with TWO bad asccumulators? On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 11:25 AM, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote: If the car isn't sagging too much, this is very likely the rear accumulators/spheres. They don't last forever. Definitely a DIY job. andrew strasfogel wrote: Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 9:43 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] ULTIMATE 123 My 83 wagon (with the 85 transmission) is pure joy to drive, although it takes the bumps a bit harshly in the rear (can't figure out why) and the fuel economy is disappointing for stop and go driving. The 85 wagon is buried under 33 of snow. I should be able to extricate it by early March, if I am lucky. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] ULTIMATE 123
I think the ultimate 123 is a 126. I mean, why not? They're the same price as 123s now, and have more room, a better ride, bigger brakes, better passive safety, I would guess, and I think they handle about the same if not better, and don't give up much if anything in mileage or performance. I can appreciate wanting manual everything, but I won't give up a turboed 617 to get it. My second choice would be a turboed TD. Dan 82 300SD, 325k miles, and still racking up 700 miles/week at 28 mpg. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ULTIMATE 123
The OM 603 is a much better engine -- much more power, smoother, and less hassle (other than cracked heads, and OM 617's crack too, if less often). I wish I'd have bought my brother's SDL before he got it Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ULTIMATE 123
I had the ultimate Mercedes until a tree fell on it. 1980 300SD. Black with bamboo leather interior. Everything worked on it, cruise, sunroof, windows, climate control, etc. It was fantastic! Then we had a little thing called a tornado, oops. 150 year old oak came down from front bumper to rear. I cried. The 116 was such a beautiful car. I miss it today. --Original Message-- From: Dan Weeks Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com ReplyTo: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Feb 15, 2010 7:25 PM Subject: [MBZ] ULTIMATE 123 I think the ultimate 123 is a 126. I mean, why not? They're the same price as 123s now, and have more room, a better ride, bigger brakes, better passive safety, I would guess, and I think they handle about the same if not better, and don't give up much if anything in mileage or performance. I can appreciate wanting manual everything, but I won't give up a turboed 617 to get it. My second choice would be a turboed TD. Dan 82 300SD, 325k miles, and still racking up 700 miles/week at 28 mpg. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ULTIMATE 123
Too big... I've never driven a 126 (never had the opportunity) although I've sat in one. Oh wait I moved it 10 feet, I forgot. I do LOVE the wagons though. Those few times my '81 ran right it was as close to motoring nirvana as I've ever been. -Curt Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:25:33 -0600 From: Dan Weeks theprofil...@dwx.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] ULTIMATE 123 Message-ID: 03074c76-f0d9-4486-ac3d-ebbe39068...@dwx.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes I think the ultimate 123 is a 126. I mean, why not? They're the same price as 123s now, and have more room, a better ride, bigger brakes, better passive safety, I would guess, and I think they handle about the same if not better, and don't give up much if anything in mileage or performance. I can appreciate wanting manual everything, but I won't give up a turboed 617 to get it. My second choice would be a turboed TD. Dan 82 300SD, 325k miles, and still racking up 700 miles/week at 28 mpg. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ULTIMATE 123
I think an SEC would be nice -- need to drive one someday -- On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 8:18 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Too big... I've never driven a 126 (never had the opportunity) although I've sat in one. Oh wait I moved it 10 feet, I forgot. -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
