Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Problem -- '91 300D 2.5T
Thanks Guys or all the great comments and suggestions - my wife drove me to the doctor yesterday and while it was mostly cloudy the AC seemed to work pretty well. I need to put a thermometer in the vent and see what it says. I assume I need to get on the open road, set the AC so the fan is blowing at high speed, keep it at a steady RPM and see what temp I am getting? What should I hope for 30F below ambient? I may be able to wait until this fall or winter to fix it. (fingers crossed) Thanks again - LarryT On 7/1/2013 10:37 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 7:29 AM, Dave Cavner w123wa...@gmail.com wrote: If you do have a bad pod (Climate Control Actuator), you can replace the entire unit or just get the internal rubber diaphragms from Geo. Murphy. Some pods have one diaphragm and others have two - the number you need is obvious once disassembled. http://www.perfanalysis.com/climate-control/acc-version-ii/ Not correct, unfortunately. The pods on the 124 are different from the ones on the 123 and 126. No user-serviceable parts inside as it used to say on the back of TVs. Best just to replace them all when the dash is out. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Problem -- '91 300D 2.5T
What should I hope for 30F below ambient? Best I've ever seen is 39 degrees F. That's on test refrigerant, and probably no hotter than 90 out at the time. Modest humidity. Usually mid-40's. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Problem -- '91 300D 2.5T
One of the best tool investments I've ever made is a CPS Leak Seeker #LS790B. It is not cheap (around $250) but worth it's weight in gold when you have a very slow freon leak. It's sensitivity is remarkable on the highest setting. I've found leaks in cars that the Indys could not find. Gerry From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Please do a proper and complete leak leak before getting into it - make sure ya really hafta do it. ;) It is NO SMALL matter. Well, it is LOTSA small stuff/steps, but it's no small project. Wilton - Original Message - From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 5:39 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Problem -- '91 300D 2.5T Wilton, re the thread -- great idea to review those emails -- i'll go through them and save the ones of value to a newbie to evapectomy's. ;-) Larry On 6/30/2013 4:59 PM, WILTON wrote: Can also read running commentary from me and others daily (and many times daily) during my evapectomy in archives starting about 1 Jun '08. Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Problem -- '91 300D 2.5T Just sent you write-up of evapectomy on my '87 300D in Jun '08. I think stealer wanted $2600 (may have been $2300) or so to do it. I'll try to find it in archives. My local A/C guy wouldn't do it. Parts, including evaporator, expansion valve, dryer, hoses, vac actuators/modules, (probably some little stuff I don't remember), etc., from Rusty cost about $600. Wilton - Original Message - From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 2:11 PM Subject: [MBZ] W124 AC Problem -- '91 300D 2.5T Thanks to all for answers to my windshield condensation question. ___ Now for another, more serious situation - the A/C in my '91 300D is not holding a charge very long. I had it filled last year and it lasted all season but this year it needed another refill but it failed to last more than a month or so - it's still cool but not cold. As I understand it, the W124 has a history of leaking in the condenser (if that's what's under the dash) ;-) so it sounds like the dash must come out. I could do the dash RR but the condenser RR would probably be beyond my ability. It looks like there are lotsof things that can leak behind the dash - the evaporatoror the Heat Exchanger and their related tubing for instance. Looks like the whole dash might need to come out At least my windshield condensation problem will be solved! ;-) Has anyone tried the *Stop Leak* in a can? Was it successful? Has anyone had a shop do this work? Any idea what the cost was? I'm in the greater Richmond Va area and labor prices are not too bad so far. I'll call my favorite shop Monday and see what they estimate the cost will be... Thanks - LarryT '91 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Problem -- '91 300D 2.5T
dseretakis wrote: What should I hope for 30F below ambient? Jim wrote: Best I've ever seen is 39 degrees F. That's on test refrigerant, and probably no hotter than 90 out at the time. Modest humidity. Usually mid-40's. 39 F difference? But usually mid-40 F difference? That doesn't make sense! I'm guessing Jim is stating outlet temperature - not difference. As I understand, typically with plenty of air flow, moderate humidity, and lots of compressor RPM the limitation is condensation freezing on the evaporator and clogging it. So the target is not a temperature different but an absolute outlet temperature. -- Philip, not an A/C expert ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Problem -- '91 300D 2.5T
39 F difference? But usually mid-40 F difference? That doesn't make sense! No, because I'm talking about outlet temps. freezing on the evaporator and clogging it. So the target is not a temperature different but an absolute outlet temperature. Yes, the system caps the evaporator temperature just above freezing. Whether it can make it down to there is another issue. Maybe I don't know what I'm doing, OTOH I usually spend around $20 to resurrect AC on a beater. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Problem -- '91 300D 2.5T
Gerry Archer wrote: One of the best tool investments I've ever made is a CPS Leak Seeker #LS790B. It is not cheap (around $250) but worth it's weight in gold when you have a very slow freon leak. It's sensitivity is remarkable on the highest setting. I've found leaks in cars that the Indys could not find. Gerry $250 seems a bit steep for a DIYer, but... http://search.ebay.com/140989103679 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Problem -- '91 300D 2.5T
Gerry Archer wrote: One of the best tool investments I've ever made is a CPS Leak Seeker #LS790B. It is not cheap (around $250) but worth it's weight in gold when you have a very slow freon leak. It's sensitivity is remarkable on the highest setting. I've found leaks in cars that the Indys could not find. Gerry $250 seems a bit steep for a DIYer, but... http://search.ebay.com/140989103679 Mitch Good to know. When I bought mine several years ago, the only source was the company as far as I knew. Don't remember if I checked Ebay. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Problem -- '91 300D 2.5T
I'll buy your 2.5T :) Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (167,xxx mi) On 6/30/2013 4:37 PM, Larry T wrote: I rec'd it so you either figured out the problem or the error note you rec'd was incorrect (which happens) usually people use a numeric 1 for the 1st letter when it is actually a L. Wow! Over $2k! that means I do it myself or it won't get done. When did they find a fix? I could get a 95-98 300D and be better off with new (er) technology... Thanks! Larry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Problem -- '91 300D 2.5T
Gerry Archer wrote: One of the best tool investments I've ever made is a CPS Leak Seeker #LS790B. It is not cheap (around $250) but worth it's weight in gold when you have a very slow freon leak. Mitch wrote: $250 seems a bit steep for a DIYer, but... http://search.ebay.com/140989103679 Or $149 from Amazon http://www.amazon.com/CPS-Products-LS790B-Electronic-Refrigerant/dp/B0002NYBDM -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Problem -- '91 300D 2.5T
Thanks for the advice Guys! I plan to have a system leak test done when I can and go from there. So, are ACPods the vacuum things that operate the flaps, etc? It would sure make life easier if the problem is things like seals and o-rings ... ;-) Don't recall the term Pods before ... Thx agn, Larry On 6/30/2013 9:26 PM, Hendrik and Fay wrote: If you pull the car apart, make sure to replace the AC pods, they fail and some you have to pull the dash to replace. Hendrik who has a failed pod under the dash On 01/07/13 10:00, Larry T wrote: Thanks Wilton (and others) -- I will definitely do as suggested and have a full leak test done to be sure the problem is actually behind the dash. A couple of years ago my technician found a loose Schraeder valve was the cause of my loss of Freon. That was a easy problem to find and just as easy to fix! Maybe I'll get lucky again!? Thanks again to all who helped -- LarryT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Problem -- '91 300D 2.5T
Vac pods are the actuators, yes. I replaced all of mine when I had the heat exchanger box on my table/bench. Wilton - Original Message - From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Problem -- '91 300D 2.5T Thanks for the advice Guys! I plan to have a system leak test done when I can and go from there. So, are ACPods the vacuum things that operate the flaps, etc? It would sure make life easier if the problem is things like seals and o-rings ... ;-) Don't recall the term Pods before ... Thx agn, Larry On 6/30/2013 9:26 PM, Hendrik and Fay wrote: If you pull the car apart, make sure to replace the AC pods, they fail and some you have to pull the dash to replace. Hendrik who has a failed pod under the dash On 01/07/13 10:00, Larry T wrote: Thanks Wilton (and others) -- I will definitely do as suggested and have a full leak test done to be sure the problem is actually behind the dash. A couple of years ago my technician found a loose Schraeder valve was the cause of my loss of Freon. That was a easy problem to find and just as easy to fix! Maybe I'll get lucky again!? Thanks again to all who helped -- LarryT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Problem -- '91 300D 2.5T
Larry, If you do have a bad pod (Climate Control Actuator), you can replace the entire unit or just get the internal rubber diaphragms from Geo. Murphy. Some pods have one diaphragm and others have two - the number you need is obvious once disassembled. http://www.perfanalysis.com/climate-control/acc-version-ii/ Good luck, Dave On Jul 1, 2013, at 7:14 AM, Larry T wrote: Thanks for the advice Guys! I plan to have a system leak test done when I can and go from there. So, are ACPods the vacuum things that operate the flaps, etc? It would sure make life easier if the problem is things like seals and o-rings ... ;-) Don't recall the term Pods before ... Thx agn, Larry On 6/30/2013 9:26 PM, Hendrik and Fay wrote: If you pull the car apart, make sure to replace the AC pods, they fail and some you have to pull the dash to replace. Hendrik who has a failed pod under the dash On 01/07/13 10:00, Larry T wrote: Thanks Wilton (and others) -- I will definitely do as suggested and have a full leak test done to be sure the problem is actually behind the dash. A couple of years ago my technician found a loose Schraeder valve was the cause of my loss of Freon. That was a easy problem to find and just as easy to fix! Maybe I'll get lucky again!? Thanks again to all who helped -- LarryT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Problem -- '91 300D 2.5T
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 7:29 AM, Dave Cavner w123wa...@gmail.com wrote: If you do have a bad pod (Climate Control Actuator), you can replace the entire unit or just get the internal rubber diaphragms from Geo. Murphy. Some pods have one diaphragm and others have two - the number you need is obvious once disassembled. http://www.perfanalysis.com/climate-control/acc-version-ii/ Not correct, unfortunately. The pods on the 124 are different from the ones on the 123 and 126. No user-serviceable parts inside as it used to say on the back of TVs. Best just to replace them all when the dash is out. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Problem -- '91 300D 2.5T
On Jul 1, 2013, at 7:37 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: If you do have a bad pod (Climate Control Actuator), you can replace the entire unit or just get the internal rubber diaphragms from Geo. Murphy. Some pods have one diaphragm and others have two - the number you need is obvious once disassembled. http://www.perfanalysis.com/climate-control/acc-version-ii/ Not correct, unfortunately. The pods on the 124 are different from the ones on the 123 and 126. No user-serviceable parts inside as it used to say on the back of TVs. Best just to replace them all when the dash is out. Alex Clarification is good! George claims his kits work for all MBs from '81 - '91. There are also web forums with W124 owners saying they have successfully used his kits. He doesn't sell pods for the W124's oval legroom actuator or their small black pods but does supply those for the pods with the pink tops. If you pull the dash, you should probably check / replace them all. You aren't going to want to do it again any time soon. Dave ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Problem -- '91 300D 2.5T
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Dave Cavner w123wa...@gmail.com wrote: On Jul 1, 2013, at 7:37 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: The pods on the 124 are different from the ones on the 123 and 126. No user-serviceable parts inside as it used to say on the back of TVs. Best just to replace them all when the dash is out. Alex Clarification is good! George claims his kits work for all MBs from '81 - '91. There are also web forums with W124 owners saying they have successfully used his kits. You may be right. The last time I checked into this was about five years ago and at that time I remember postings from 124 owners saying the opposite (that Murphy said his repair kit would work on their pods and it didn't). I still think that it is better to not scrimp and just replace them wholesale--you don't want to have to pull the dash more than once! Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Problem -- '91 300D 2.5T
BTW, condensation down low above def vents on OUTSIDE of windshield of my 91 350SDL this morning; confirms that she's blowing ICE COLD; ambient temp = 79F; humidity 90%. Yep defrost vents are leaking; not worried 'bout it at all - just glad it's blowing ICE COLD. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Dave Cavner w123wa...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Problem -- '91 300D 2.5T On Jul 1, 2013, at 7:37 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: If you do have a bad pod (Climate Control Actuator), you can replace the entire unit or just get the internal rubber diaphragms from Geo. Murphy. Some pods have one diaphragm and others have two - the number you need is obvious once disassembled. http://www.perfanalysis.com/climate-control/acc-version-ii/ Not correct, unfortunately. The pods on the 124 are different from the ones on the 123 and 126. No user-serviceable parts inside as it used to say on the back of TVs. Best just to replace them all when the dash is out. Alex Clarification is good! George claims his kits work for all MBs from '81 - '91. There are also web forums with W124 owners saying they have successfully used his kits. He doesn't sell pods for the W124's oval legroom actuator or their small black pods but does supply those for the pods with the pink tops. If you pull the dash, you should probably check / replace them all. You aren't going to want to do it again any time soon. Dave ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Problem -- '91 300D 2.5T
Replace the pods/actuators while the box is on the table/bench. I have spoken. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Problem -- '91 300D 2.5T On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Dave Cavner w123wa...@gmail.com wrote: On Jul 1, 2013, at 7:37 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: The pods on the 124 are different from the ones on the 123 and 126. No user-serviceable parts inside as it used to say on the back of TVs. Best just to replace them all when the dash is out. Alex Clarification is good! George claims his kits work for all MBs from '81 - '91. There are also web forums with W124 owners saying they have successfully used his kits. You may be right. The last time I checked into this was about five years ago and at that time I remember postings from 124 owners saying the opposite (that Murphy said his repair kit would work on their pods and it didn't). I still think that it is better to not scrimp and just replace them wholesale--you don't want to have to pull the dash more than once! Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] W124 AC Problem -- '91 300D 2.5T
Thanks to all for answers to my windshield condensation question. ___ Now for another, more serious situation - the A/C in my '91 300D is not holding a charge very long. I had it filled last year and it lasted all season but this year it needed another refill but it failed to last more than a month or so - it's still cool but not cold. As I understand it, the W124 has a history of leaking in the condenser (if that's what's under the dash) ;-) so it sounds like the dash must come out. I could do the dash RR but the condenser RR would probably be beyond my ability. It looks like there are lotsof things that can leak behind the dash - the evaporatoror the Heat Exchanger and their related tubing for instance. Looks like the whole dash might need to come out At least my windshield condensation problem will be solved! ;-) Has anyone tried the *Stop Leak* in a can? Was it successful? Has anyone had a shop do this work? Any idea what the cost was? I'm in the greater Richmond Va area and labor prices are not too bad so far. I'll call my favorite shop Monday and see what they estimate the cost will be... Thanks - LarryT '91 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Problem -- '91 300D 2.5T
Larry, The W140 chassis cars were also plagued with the dreaded evaporator leaks as well. I believe that Tarek, the former owner of my S500, had leak sealer used by his mechanic to seal up the system on the S500. I know Tarek is around but not sure if he can shed any light on this. Suffice to say it can be done as long as the leak isn't substantial. I know people have posted things n the list in the past on various methods and products - you might want to search the archives. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jun 30, 2013, at 2:11 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Thanks to all for answers to my windshield condensation question. ___ Now for another, more serious situation - the A/C in my '91 300D is not holding a charge very long. I had it filled last year and it lasted all season but this year it needed another refill but it failed to last more than a month or so - it's still cool but not cold. As I understand it, the W124 has a history of leaking in the condenser (if that's what's under the dash) ;-) so it sounds like the dash must come out. I could do the dash RR but the condenser RR would probably be beyond my ability. It looks like there are lotsof things that can leak behind the dash - the evaporatoror the Heat Exchanger and their related tubing for instance. Looks like the whole dash might need to come out At least my windshield condensation problem will be solved! ;-) Has anyone tried the *Stop Leak* in a can? Was it successful? Has anyone had a shop do this work? Any idea what the cost was? I'm in the greater Richmond Va area and labor prices are not too bad so far. I'll call my favorite shop Monday and see what they estimate the cost will be... Thanks - LarryT '91 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Problem -- '91 300D 2.5T
Put in a small can of UV dye and get a UV light and the yellow glasses, and see if you can see any apparent leaks around all the fittings and stuff that is visible. --R On 6/30/13 2:27 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Larry, The W140 chassis cars were also plagued with the dreaded evaporator leaks as well. I believe that Tarek, the former owner of my S500, had leak sealer used by his mechanic to seal up the system on the S500. I know Tarek is around but not sure if he can shed any light on this. Suffice to say it can be done as long as the leak isn't substantial. I know people have posted things n the list in the past on various methods and products - you might want to search the archives. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jun 30, 2013, at 2:11 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Thanks to all for answers to my windshield condensation question. ___ Now for another, more serious situation - the A/C in my '91 300D is not holding a charge very long. I had it filled last year and it lasted all season but this year it needed another refill but it failed to last more than a month or so - it's still cool but not cold. As I understand it, the W124 has a history of leaking in the condenser (if that's what's under the dash) ;-) so it sounds like the dash must come out. I could do the dash RR but the condenser RR would probably be beyond my ability. It looks like there are lotsof things that can leak behind the dash - the evaporatoror the Heat Exchanger and their related tubing for instance. Looks like the whole dash might need to come out At least my windshield condensation problem will be solved! ;-) Has anyone tried the *Stop Leak* in a can? Was it successful? Has anyone had a shop do this work? Any idea what the cost was? I'm in the greater Richmond Va area and labor prices are not too bad so far. I'll call my favorite shop Monday and see what they estimate the cost will be... Thanks - LarryT '91 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Problem -- '91 300D 2.5T
There are lots of things that can leak on that system besides the evaporator (which is the part inside the dash). Have some do a proper leak check with dye and see what they find. Changing the evaporator is a 16 hour job by the service book, and it took me longer the first time. If you find dye in the condensate drain when checking for leaks, the evaporator is leaking. Everything else is in the engine compartment. While i have two bad evaporators, the other things I've replace over the years on these cars are: compressor manifold seal o-rings (twice). front compressor seal (twice) o-rings in the lines many times high pressure line between condenser and receiver/dryer (two so far, probably a third on soon) Condenser on the TE pipe manifold to compressor o-rings (twice). The later evaporators with aluminum tubing and aluminum coils are not a problem, but the original ones with copper piping fail with monotonous regularity, differential expansion does in the crimped connections between piping and coils every time. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Problem -- '91 300D 2.5T
Just sent you write-up of evapectomy on my '87 300D in Jun '08. I think stealer wanted $2600 (may have been $2300) or so to do it. I'll try to find it in archives. My local A/C guy wouldn't do it. Parts, including evaporator, expansion valve, dryer, hoses, vac actuators/modules, (probably some little stuff I don't remember), etc., from Rusty cost about $600. Wilton - Original Message - From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 2:11 PM Subject: [MBZ] W124 AC Problem -- '91 300D 2.5T Thanks to all for answers to my windshield condensation question. ___ Now for another, more serious situation - the A/C in my '91 300D is not holding a charge very long. I had it filled last year and it lasted all season but this year it needed another refill but it failed to last more than a month or so - it's still cool but not cold. As I understand it, the W124 has a history of leaking in the condenser (if that's what's under the dash) ;-) so it sounds like the dash must come out. I could do the dash RR but the condenser RR would probably be beyond my ability. It looks like there are lotsof things that can leak behind the dash - the evaporatoror the Heat Exchanger and their related tubing for instance. Looks like the whole dash might need to come out At least my windshield condensation problem will be solved! ;-) Has anyone tried the *Stop Leak* in a can? Was it successful? Has anyone had a shop do this work? Any idea what the cost was? I'm in the greater Richmond Va area and labor prices are not too bad so far. I'll call my favorite shop Monday and see what they estimate the cost will be... Thanks - LarryT '91 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Problem -- '91 300D 2.5T
Well, I tried to send it, anyway, to 102tur...@comcast.net Got undeliverable msg - Not our customer. WT etc? Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Problem -- '91 300D 2.5T Just sent you write-up of evapectomy on my '87 300D in Jun '08. I think stealer wanted $2600 (may have been $2300) or so to do it. I'll try to find it in archives. My local A/C guy wouldn't do it. Parts, including evaporator, expansion valve, dryer, hoses, vac actuators/modules, (probably some little stuff I don't remember), etc., from Rusty cost about $600. Wilton - Original Message - From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 2:11 PM Subject: [MBZ] W124 AC Problem -- '91 300D 2.5T Thanks to all for answers to my windshield condensation question. ___ Now for another, more serious situation - the A/C in my '91 300D is not holding a charge very long. I had it filled last year and it lasted all season but this year it needed another refill but it failed to last more than a month or so - it's still cool but not cold. As I understand it, the W124 has a history of leaking in the condenser (if that's what's under the dash) ;-) so it sounds like the dash must come out. I could do the dash RR but the condenser RR would probably be beyond my ability. It looks like there are lotsof things that can leak behind the dash - the evaporatoror the Heat Exchanger and their related tubing for instance. Looks like the whole dash might need to come out At least my windshield condensation problem will be solved! ;-) Has anyone tried the *Stop Leak* in a can? Was it successful? Has anyone had a shop do this work? Any idea what the cost was? I'm in the greater Richmond Va area and labor prices are not too bad so far. I'll call my favorite shop Monday and see what they estimate the cost will be... Thanks - LarryT '91 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Problem -- '91 300D 2.5T
WILTON wrote: Well, I tried to send it, anyway, to 102tur...@comcast.net Got undeliverable msg - Not our customer. WT etc? Wilton - Original Message - From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net You must have typed instead of cut and paste. That's el zero two turner, not one zero 2 turner. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Problem -- '91 300D 2.5T
Yep. Thnks. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 4:49 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Problem -- '91 300D 2.5T WILTON wrote: Well, I tried to send it, anyway, to 102tur...@comcast.net Got undeliverable msg - Not our customer. WT etc? Wilton - Original Message - From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net You must have typed instead of cut and paste. That's el zero two turner, not one zero 2 turner. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Problem -- '91 300D 2.5T
Yep; little el works better. Thnks. Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Problem -- '91 300D 2.5T Yep. Thnks. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 4:49 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Problem -- '91 300D 2.5T WILTON wrote: Well, I tried to send it, anyway, to 102tur...@comcast.net Got undeliverable msg - Not our customer. WT etc? Wilton - Original Message - From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net You must have typed instead of cut and paste. That's el zero two turner, not one zero 2 turner. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Problem -- '91 300D 2.5T
Can also read running commentary from me and others daily (and many times daily) during my evapectomy in archives starting about 1 Jun '08. Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Problem -- '91 300D 2.5T Just sent you write-up of evapectomy on my '87 300D in Jun '08. I think stealer wanted $2600 (may have been $2300) or so to do it. I'll try to find it in archives. My local A/C guy wouldn't do it. Parts, including evaporator, expansion valve, dryer, hoses, vac actuators/modules, (probably some little stuff I don't remember), etc., from Rusty cost about $600. Wilton - Original Message - From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 2:11 PM Subject: [MBZ] W124 AC Problem -- '91 300D 2.5T Thanks to all for answers to my windshield condensation question. ___ Now for another, more serious situation - the A/C in my '91 300D is not holding a charge very long. I had it filled last year and it lasted all season but this year it needed another refill but it failed to last more than a month or so - it's still cool but not cold. As I understand it, the W124 has a history of leaking in the condenser (if that's what's under the dash) ;-) so it sounds like the dash must come out. I could do the dash RR but the condenser RR would probably be beyond my ability. It looks like there are lotsof things that can leak behind the dash - the evaporatoror the Heat Exchanger and their related tubing for instance. Looks like the whole dash might need to come out At least my windshield condensation problem will be solved! ;-) Has anyone tried the *Stop Leak* in a can? Was it successful? Has anyone had a shop do this work? Any idea what the cost was? I'm in the greater Richmond Va area and labor prices are not too bad so far. I'll call my favorite shop Monday and see what they estimate the cost will be... Thanks - LarryT '91 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Problem -- '91 300D 2.5T
I rec'd it so you either figured out the problem or the error note you rec'd was incorrect (which happens) usually people use a numeric 1 for the 1st letter when it is actually a L. Wow! Over $2k! that means I do it myself or it won't get done. When did they find a fix? I could get a 95-98 300D and be better off with new (er) technology... Thanks! Larry On 6/30/2013 4:29 PM, WILTON wrote: Well, I tried to send it, anyway, to 102tur...@comcast.net Got undeliverable msg - Not our customer. WT etc? Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Problem -- '91 300D 2.5T Just sent you write-up of evapectomy on my '87 300D in Jun '08. I think stealer wanted $2600 (may have been $2300) or so to do it. I'll try to find it in archives. My local A/C guy wouldn't do it. Parts, including evaporator, expansion valve, dryer, hoses, vac actuators/modules, (probably some little stuff I don't remember), etc., from Rusty cost about $600. Wilton - Original Message - From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 2:11 PM Subject: [MBZ] W124 AC Problem -- '91 300D 2.5T Thanks to all for answers to my windshield condensation question. ___ Now for another, more serious situation - the A/C in my '91 300D is not holding a charge very long. I had it filled last year and it lasted all season but this year it needed another refill but it failed to last more than a month or so - it's still cool but not cold. As I understand it, the W124 has a history of leaking in the condenser (if that's what's under the dash) ;-) so it sounds like the dash must come out. I could do the dash RR but the condenser RR would probably be beyond my ability. It looks like there are lotsof things that can leak behind the dash - the evaporatoror the Heat Exchanger and their related tubing for instance. Looks like the whole dash might need to come out At least my windshield condensation problem will be solved! ;-) Has anyone tried the *Stop Leak* in a can? Was it successful? Has anyone had a shop do this work? Any idea what the cost was? I'm in the greater Richmond Va area and labor prices are not too bad so far. I'll call my favorite shop Monday and see what they estimate the cost will be... Thanks - LarryT '91 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Problem -- '91 300D 2.5T
Wilton, re the thread -- great idea to review those emails -- i'll go through them and save the ones of value to a newbie to evapectomy's. ;-) Larry On 6/30/2013 4:59 PM, WILTON wrote: Can also read running commentary from me and others daily (and many times daily) during my evapectomy in archives starting about 1 Jun '08. Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Problem -- '91 300D 2.5T Just sent you write-up of evapectomy on my '87 300D in Jun '08. I think stealer wanted $2600 (may have been $2300) or so to do it. I'll try to find it in archives. My local A/C guy wouldn't do it. Parts, including evaporator, expansion valve, dryer, hoses, vac actuators/modules, (probably some little stuff I don't remember), etc., from Rusty cost about $600. Wilton - Original Message - From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 2:11 PM Subject: [MBZ] W124 AC Problem -- '91 300D 2.5T Thanks to all for answers to my windshield condensation question. ___ Now for another, more serious situation - the A/C in my '91 300D is not holding a charge very long. I had it filled last year and it lasted all season but this year it needed another refill but it failed to last more than a month or so - it's still cool but not cold. As I understand it, the W124 has a history of leaking in the condenser (if that's what's under the dash) ;-) so it sounds like the dash must come out. I could do the dash RR but the condenser RR would probably be beyond my ability. It looks like there are lotsof things that can leak behind the dash - the evaporatoror the Heat Exchanger and their related tubing for instance. Looks like the whole dash might need to come out At least my windshield condensation problem will be solved! ;-) Has anyone tried the *Stop Leak* in a can? Was it successful? Has anyone had a shop do this work? Any idea what the cost was? I'm in the greater Richmond Va area and labor prices are not too bad so far. I'll call my favorite shop Monday and see what they estimate the cost will be... Thanks - LarryT '91 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Problem -- '91 300D 2.5T
Larry T wrote: Wow! Over $2k! that means I do it myself or it won't get done. When did they find a fix? I could get a 95-98 300D and be better off with new (er) technology... Yes, I think it's cheaper when the front springs fall off your W210 than when your freon leaks out of your W124. OTOH, you have the option of driving the W124 when the A/C isn't working... Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Problem -- '91 300D 2.5T
Please do a proper and complete leak leak before getting into it - make sure ya really hafta do it. ;) It is NO SMALL matter. Well, it is LOTSA small stuff/steps, but it's no small project. Wilton - Original Message - From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 5:39 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Problem -- '91 300D 2.5T Wilton, re the thread -- great idea to review those emails -- i'll go through them and save the ones of value to a newbie to evapectomy's. ;-) Larry On 6/30/2013 4:59 PM, WILTON wrote: Can also read running commentary from me and others daily (and many times daily) during my evapectomy in archives starting about 1 Jun '08. Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Problem -- '91 300D 2.5T Just sent you write-up of evapectomy on my '87 300D in Jun '08. I think stealer wanted $2600 (may have been $2300) or so to do it. I'll try to find it in archives. My local A/C guy wouldn't do it. Parts, including evaporator, expansion valve, dryer, hoses, vac actuators/modules, (probably some little stuff I don't remember), etc., from Rusty cost about $600. Wilton - Original Message - From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 2:11 PM Subject: [MBZ] W124 AC Problem -- '91 300D 2.5T Thanks to all for answers to my windshield condensation question. ___ Now for another, more serious situation - the A/C in my '91 300D is not holding a charge very long. I had it filled last year and it lasted all season but this year it needed another refill but it failed to last more than a month or so - it's still cool but not cold. As I understand it, the W124 has a history of leaking in the condenser (if that's what's under the dash) ;-) so it sounds like the dash must come out. I could do the dash RR but the condenser RR would probably be beyond my ability. It looks like there are lotsof things that can leak behind the dash - the evaporatoror the Heat Exchanger and their related tubing for instance. Looks like the whole dash might need to come out At least my windshield condensation problem will be solved! ;-) Has anyone tried the *Stop Leak* in a can? Was it successful? Has anyone had a shop do this work? Any idea what the cost was? I'm in the greater Richmond Va area and labor prices are not too bad so far. I'll call my favorite shop Monday and see what they estimate the cost will be... Thanks - LarryT '91 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Problem -- '91 300D 2.5T
Thanks Wilton (and others) -- I will definitely do as suggested and have a full leak test done to be sure the problem is actually behind the dash. A couple of years ago my technician found a loose Schraeder valve was the cause of my loss of Freon. That was a easy problem to find and just as easy to fix! Maybe I'll get lucky again!? Thanks again to all who helped -- LarryT On 6/30/2013 6:37 PM, WILTON wrote: Please do a proper and complete leak leak before getting into it - make sure ya really hafta do it. ;) It is NO SMALL matter. Well, it is LOTSA small stuff/steps, but it's no small project. Wilton - Original Message - From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 5:39 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Problem -- '91 300D 2.5T Wilton, re the thread -- great idea to review those emails -- i'll go through them and save the ones of value to a newbie to evapectomy's. ;-) Larry On 6/30/2013 4:59 PM, WILTON wrote: Can also read running commentary from me and others daily (and many times daily) during my evapectomy in archives starting about 1 Jun '08. Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Problem -- '91 300D 2.5T Just sent you write-up of evapectomy on my '87 300D in Jun '08. I think stealer wanted $2600 (may have been $2300) or so to do it. I'll try to find it in archives. My local A/C guy wouldn't do it. Parts, including evaporator, expansion valve, dryer, hoses, vac actuators/modules, (probably some little stuff I don't remember), etc., from Rusty cost about $600. Wilton - Original Message - From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 2:11 PM Subject: [MBZ] W124 AC Problem -- '91 300D 2.5T Thanks to all for answers to my windshield condensation question. ___ Now for another, more serious situation - the A/C in my '91 300D is not holding a charge very long. I had it filled last year and it lasted all season but this year it needed another refill but it failed to last more than a month or so - it's still cool but not cold. As I understand it, the W124 has a history of leaking in the condenser (if that's what's under the dash) ;-) so it sounds like the dash must come out. I could do the dash RR but the condenser RR would probably be beyond my ability. It looks like there are lotsof things that can leak behind the dash - the evaporatoror the Heat Exchanger and their related tubing for instance. Looks like the whole dash might need to come out At least my windshield condensation problem will be solved! ;-) Has anyone tried the *Stop Leak* in a can? Was it successful? Has anyone had a shop do this work? Any idea what the cost was? I'm in the greater Richmond Va area and labor prices are not too bad so far. I'll call my favorite shop Monday and see what they estimate the cost will be... Thanks - LarryT '91 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Problem -- '91 300D 2.5T
If you pull the car apart, make sure to replace the AC pods, they fail and some you have to pull the dash to replace. Hendrik who has a failed pod under the dash On 01/07/13 10:00, Larry T wrote: Thanks Wilton (and others) -- I will definitely do as suggested and have a full leak test done to be sure the problem is actually behind the dash. A couple of years ago my technician found a loose Schraeder valve was the cause of my loss of Freon. That was a easy problem to find and just as easy to fix! Maybe I'll get lucky again!? Thanks again to all who helped -- LarryT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Problem -- '91 300D 2.5T
On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 6:26 PM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: If you pull the car apart, make sure to replace the AC pods, they fail and some you have to pull the dash to replace. Yup. I bet there's no 124 out there that doesn't have at least one leaky pod, except Wilton's and some of Dave Meimann's cars. Larry's symptoms of excessive cold air through the windshield vents whenever the A/C is on indicate a bad defrost pod, which IIRC is one of the ones you can get at without removing the dash (it's behind the glove compartment). Small consolation if his evaporator turns out to be leaking, of course. Half the pods in my '87 are bad (and capped off at the manifold to keep from leaking vacuum); luckily it will still perform the essential functions of blowing cold through the middle vents in summer and warm out the floor vents in the winter, and the evap hasn't blown yet (knock on Zebrano). Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
