Re: [MBZ] WAS Not 240 OT Blacks Whites etc
It has a glass face. You set it by taking off the face and lifting a lever under the rim. It is one with gold plating, worn off a bit around the bottom. I doubt if it is valuable, but as it was a gift my wife/father-in-law gave me when we got married I don't think it would ever be as valuable to anyone else as it is to me. My old pre-antimagnetic mainspring Rolex is another story... it is supposed to be worth a few thousand, but doubt if I'll get around to spending the $$ to get it fixed as it should be [about $350]. The watch guy who looked at it for me offered me $1800 for it 'as is'. Maybe next time my Benz needs something major... BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of archer Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 7:13 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] WAS Not 240 OT Blacks Whites etc That one might be worth a lot; old as it is. Does it have a glass face or do you open it? Gerry - - Original Message - From: Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've got an 1892 Waltham that was used on the RR. Someone left it with my father in law's father [a RR conductor] as a pledge for a loan around 1900, and I am told it kept time within 1 minute a year for 50 years. It runs now when I wind it, but that is not too often. BillR -Original Message- From: archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't remember since it was years ago. Point was that it would just go back in storage and the oil would dry out again, I suppose. The weight of the watch is remarkable. When my father worked on passenger runs and wore a uniform, he would car ry it in a watch pocket in the vest which was worn under the jacketsnip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Don't remember since it was years ago. Point was that it would just go back in storage and the oil would dry out again, I suppose. The weight of the watch is remarkable. When my father worked on passenger runs and wore a uniform, he would carry it in a watch pocket in the vest which was worn under the jacket. When he worked on freight runs and wore work clothes, he would carry it in the usual pants watch pocket. Riding the steam trains in those days was a lot of fun for a kid, and a railroaders family members could ride free all they wanted. Gerry - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] how much was this big sum? On Feb 15, 2008 9:11 PM, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have an old railroad watch? I have my fathers; an Elgin. I remember him having to take it in to a certified watchmaker periodically to get its accuracy checked. It was running in 1939 when he retired from the railroad but it doesn't run now. Watchmaker said it would have to be disassembled so the dried oil could be cleaned out of the jewel bearings and that it would then be good as new. He wanted a big price to do it, so I declined.snip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Did someone in your family work on the railroad? Gerry --- - Original Message - From: E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha ha ha! Oh, and I do have one too. Ed 300E On 16/02/2008, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just put some Mobil1 0W30 in it, and CHANGE THE FUSE! --R archer wrote: Does anyone have an old railroad watch? I have my fathers; an Elgin. I remember him having to take it in to a certified watchmaker periodically to get its accuracy checked. It was running in 1939 when he retired from the railroad but it doesn't run now. Watchmaker said it would have to be disassembled so the dried oil could be cleaned out of the jewel bearings and that it would then be good as new. He wanted a big price to do it, so I declined. Watchmaker said such watchs were common and not worth a great deal as antiques. The case was gold plated and the movement was 21 jewel IIRC. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yes Gerry, one of my Great Grandfathers was an engineer, (driving them), and my other Great Grandfather was a mechanical engineer, he (designed them). He was part of the team that designed the 6000 steam engines, used by Grand Trunk and Canadian National. I still have the original factory pics as they rolled off the line. Ed 300E On 16/02/2008, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did someone in your family work on the railroad? Gerry --- - Original Message - From: E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha ha ha! Oh, and I do have one too. Ed 300E On 16/02/2008, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just put some Mobil1 0W30 in it, and CHANGE THE FUSE! --R archer wrote: Does anyone have an old railroad watch? I have my fathers; an Elgin. I remember him having to take it in to a certified watchmaker periodically to get its accuracy checked. It was running in 1939 when he retired from the railroad but it doesn't run now. Watchmaker said it would have to be disassembled so the dried oil could be cleaned out of the jewel bearings and that it would then be good as new. He wanted a big price to do it, so I declined. Watchmaker said such watchs were common and not worth a great deal as antiques. The case was gold plated and the movement was 21 jewel IIRC. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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the oils now are synthetic On Feb 16, 2008 11:33 AM, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't remember since it was years ago. Point was that it would just go back in storage and the oil would dry out again, I suppose. The weight of the watch is remarkable. When my father worked on passenger runs and wore a uniform, he would carry it in a watch pocket in the vest which was worn under the jacket. When he worked on freight runs and wore work clothes, he would carry it in the usual pants watch pocket. Riding the steam trains in those days was a lot of fun for a kid, and a railroaders family members could ride free all they wanted. Gerry - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] how much was this big sum? On Feb 15, 2008 9:11 PM, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have an old railroad watch? I have my fathers; an Elgin. I remember him having to take it in to a certified watchmaker periodically to get its accuracy checked. It was running in 1939 when he retired from the railroad but it doesn't run now. Watchmaker said it would have to be disassembled so the dried oil could be cleaned out of the jewel bearings and that it would then be good as new. He wanted a big price to do it, so I declined.snip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I've got an 1892 Waltham that was used on the RR. Someone left it with my father in law's father [a RR conductor] as a pledge for a loan around 1900, and I am told it kept time within 1 minute a year for 50 years. It runs now when I wind it, but that is not too often. BillR -Original Message- From: archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 2/16/08 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] WAS Not 240 OT Blacks Whites etc Don't remember since it was years ago. Point was that it would just go back in storage and the oil would dry out again, I suppose. The weight of the watch is remarkable. When my father worked on passenger runs and wore a uniform, he would car ry it in a watch pocket in the vest which was worn under the jacket. When he worked on freight runs and wore work clothes, he would carry it in the usual pants watch pocket. Riding the steam trains in those days was a lot of fun for a kid, and a railroaders family members could ride free all they wanted. Gerry - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] how much was this big sum? On Feb 15, 2008 9:11 PM, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have an old railroad watch? I have my fathers; an Elgin. I remember him having to take it in to a certified watchmaker periodically to get its accuracy checked. It was running in 1939 when he retired from the railroad but it doesn't run now. Watchmaker said it would have to be disassembled so the dried oil could be cleaned out of the jewel bearings and that it would then be good as new. He wanted a big price to do it, so I declined.snip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That one might be worth a lot; old as it is. Does it have a glass face or do you open it? Gerry - - Original Message - From: Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've got an 1892 Waltham that was used on the RR. Someone left it with my father in law's father [a RR conductor] as a pledge for a loan around 1900, and I am told it kept time within 1 minute a year for 50 years. It runs now when I wind it, but that is not too often. BillR -Original Message- From: archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't remember since it was years ago. Point was that it would just go back in storage and the oil would dry out again, I suppose. The weight of the watch is remarkable. When my father worked on passenger runs and wore a uniform, he would car ry it in a watch pocket in the vest which was worn under the jacketsnip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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andrew strasfogel wrote: We are all immigrants except for the North American aboriginals. If I'm an immigrant because my ancestors came over from europe, why aren't the 'aboriginals' immigrants because their ancestors came over from asia? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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We are all immigrants except for the North American aboriginals. On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 7:14 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: R A Bennell wrote: Not sure if you folks get the same thing down south but here in Canada we get first nations to describe what we used to refer to as Indians. In the states, the politically correct expression is (or was, maybe I'm behind the times) Native American. My grandmother, a progressive northern schoolteacher in her youth (born 1904), always said colored people. By 1990, she was starting to catch on to 'black', but by then the hyphenated P.C. crap was in vogue, so she was still behind the times. I must admit the hyphens piss me off more than they should. What's the matter with you, isn't being American good enough for ya? I never knew an African-American, all the African born people I know are still citizens of some country over there. I do know a lot of Indian- Americans, Lebanese-Americans, and even a few Pakistani-Americans, but I figure most people would just call them Immigrants. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I thought about that too, and in that context they can be referred to as the first Americans. On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: andrew strasfogel wrote: We are all immigrants except for the North American aboriginals. If I'm an immigrant because my ancestors came over from europe, why aren't the 'aboriginals' immigrants because their ancestors came over from asia? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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one of the last straws with me and organized school was when the teacher told the class how columbus put smallpox in blankets and gave them to the indians. 1. the kids can't write or add, so i think there are better things to be doing than slandering 2. that story is about not about columbus, but someone else 3. it is complete slander. a made up story. On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: American is a name foisted on them by European Invaders and perpetuated by those who do not call them by their proper label, Pre-European Invader Indigenous Peoples! They were pre-first-Americans! I learned this on KPFT when they were having an anti-Columbus Day day. Y'all need to get right (or left, as it were)! --R andrew strasfogel wrote: I thought about that too, and in that context they can be referred to as the first Americans. On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: andrew strasfogel wrote: We are all immigrants except for the North American aboriginals. If I'm an immigrant because my ancestors came over from europe, why aren't the 'aboriginals' immigrants because their ancestors came over from asia? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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American is a name foisted on them by European Invaders and perpetuated by those who do not call them by their proper label, Pre-European Invader Indigenous Peoples! They were pre-first-Americans! I learned this on KPFT when they were having an anti-Columbus Day day. Y'all need to get right (or left, as it were)! --R andrew strasfogel wrote: I thought about that too, and in that context they can be referred to as the first Americans. On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: andrew strasfogel wrote: We are all immigrants except for the North American aboriginals. If I'm an immigrant because my ancestors came over from europe, why aren't the 'aboriginals' immigrants because their ancestors came over from asia? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Amerindian seems to be a good compromise in everyday conversation. People on European and other lists immediately know to whom one is referring. Gerry..Who probably has an untraceable smidgen of Amerindian blood. -- - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] American is a name foisted on them by European Invaders and perpetuated by those who do not call them by their proper label, Pre-European Invader Indigenous Peoples! They were pre-first-Americans! I learned this on KPFT when they were having an anti-Columbus Day day. Y'all need to get right (or left, as it were)! --R andrew strasfogel wrote: I thought about that too, and in that context they can be referred to as the first Americans. On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: andrew strasfogel wrote: We are all immigrants except for the North American aboriginals. If I'm an immigrant because my ancestors came over from europe, why aren't the 'aboriginals' immigrants because their ancestors came over from asia? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Gary Hurst wrote: one of the last straws with me and organized school was when the teacher told the class how columbus put smallpox in blankets and gave them to the indians. That would lead to a massive media attack if it happened near me. I'd tell everybody who would listen how ignorant the teaching staff was, and demand removal of the teacher, and if I didn't get it I'd be circulating recall petitions for the school board. Columbus didn't want to kill off the indians, he was the original proponent of using the islanders (cubans/haitians/etc) for slaves. Why didn't she tell the kiddies that? If the point was that europeans are evil creatures who destroyed the western hemisphere, it seems like the slavery and torture done under the Spanish flag would be far better than some phony disease story. IIRC, the smallpox story was from the post civil war era. What was that Jane Seymore show? Dr Dingbat? Oh, yes, Dr Quinn, Medicine Woman. They did an episode where the calvary distributed blankets from dead typhoid patients to the indians IIRC. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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yeah, seems the cavalry given out smallpox story is made up. like most stories like this, someone thought how horrible and decided to go out and thoroughly document the details of the case, only to discover there was no such case. a lot of research begins like this . the guinness book listed ed strangler lewis as the most successful wrestler of all time, having only lost 6 times in over 6,000 legitimate wrestling matches. everyone just accepts this as a fact. so some dude comes up with the idea that it would be cool to find those 6 matches. he finds hundreds. furthermore, he finds that almost none of the matches were legitimate. you have heard the expression on the ball? webb c ball had a jewelery shop on cleveland where the time was wired in from the US Naval Observatory and displayed in the window. webb ball and those who came by his shop in cleveland really were among the few in that age who could answer the question of whether anybody knows what time it is. webb really liked precision timekeepers. he'd buy very good movements from very solid makers and hot rod them in the shop. you could go into ball's shop and buy one of hte most accurate watches on the earth at the end of the 19th century. and then ball and his crew could keep it running like that for you indefinitely. ball's watches really, really good and priced accordingly. the average man in the street had neither the means to afford such a timepiece nor the need for one, as he could live happily with a 15 second a day watch and didn't need one that was tuned to 15 seconds a season. so what was ball to do? he went out telling eveyrone the story of how there was this terrible train crash caused by imprecise timekeeping and how a ball watch maintained at the ball shop was the way to solve this so it would never happen again. as it says in wikipedia: In 1891 there was a collision between Lake Shore and Michigan Southern Railways at Kipton, Ohio http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kipton%2C_Ohio which occurred because an engineer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineer's watch had stopped. The railroad officials commissioned Webb C. Ball as their Chief Time Inspector, in order to establish precision standards and a reliable timepiece inspection system for Railroad chronometershttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railroad_chronometers . He established strict guidelines for the manufacturing of sturdy, reliable precision timepieces, including resistance to magnetism, reliability of time keeping in 5 positions, isochronismhttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Isochronismaction=edit, power reserve http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_reserve and dial arrangement, accompanied with record keeping of the reliability of the watch on each regular inspection the legendary railroad watch is established and the ball watch is king of them all. only thing is, though, there never was such a crash. On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary Hurst wrote: one of the last straws with me and organized school was when the teacher told the class how columbus put smallpox in blankets and gave them to the indians. That would lead to a massive media attack if it happened near me. I'd tell everybody who would listen how ignorant the teaching staff was, and demand removal of the teacher, and if I didn't get it I'd be circulating recall petitions for the school board. Columbus didn't want to kill off the indians, he was the original proponent of using the islanders (cubans/haitians/etc) for slaves. Why didn't she tell the kiddies that? If the point was that europeans are evil creatures who destroyed the western hemisphere, it seems like the slavery and torture done under the Spanish flag would be far better than some phony disease story. IIRC, the smallpox story was from the post civil war era. What was that Jane Seymore show? Dr Dingbat? Oh, yes, Dr Quinn, Medicine Woman. They did an episode where the calvary distributed blankets from dead typhoid patients to the indians IIRC. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I'm just glad that we used the mapmaker's FIRST name! Imagine if they'd used his last? Somehow it just doesn't sound as nice to be called a North Vespucciansounds like we'd be extinct by now. Jeff Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Have you seen the T-shirt with the picture of four North American aboriginals and the caption: Homeland Security Fighting Terrorism Since 1492 http://www.westwindworld.com/store/ On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 9:09 AM, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are all immigrants except for the North American aboriginals. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Does anyone have an old railroad watch? I have my fathers; an Elgin. I remember him having to take it in to a certified watchmaker periodically to get its accuracy checked. It was running in 1939 when he retired from the railroad but it doesn't run now. Watchmaker said it would have to be disassembled so the dried oil could be cleaned out of the jewel bearings and that it would then be good as new. He wanted a big price to do it, so I declined. Watchmaker said such watchs were common and not worth a great deal as antiques. The case was gold plated and the movement was 21 jewel IIRC. Gerry - - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] you have heard the expression on the ball? webb c ball had a jewelery shop on cleveland where the time was wired in from the US Naval Observatory and displayed in the window. webb ball and those who came by his shop in cleveland really were among the few in that age who could answer the question of whether anybody knows what time it is. webb really liked precision timekeepers. he'd buy very good movements from very solid makers and hot rod them in the shop. you could go into ball's shop and buy one of hte most accurate watches on the earth at the end of the 19th century. and then ball and his crew could keep it running like that for you indefinitely. ball's watches really, really good and priced accordingly. the average man in the street had neither the means to afford such a timepiece nor the need for one, as he could live happily with a 15 second a day watch and didn't need one that was tuned to 15 seconds a season. so what was ball to do? he went out telling eveyrone the story of how there was this terrible train crash caused by imprecise timekeeping and how a ball watch maintained at the ball shop was the way to solve this so it would never happen again. as it says in wikipedia: In 1891 there was a collision between Lake Shore and Michigan Southern Railways at Kipton, Ohio http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kipton%2C_Ohio which occurred because an engineer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineer's watch had stopped. The railroad officials commissioned Webb C. Ball as their Chief Time Inspector, in order to establish precision standards and a reliable timepiece inspection system for Railroad chronometershttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railroad_chronometers . He established strict guidelines for the manufacturing of sturdy, reliable precision timepieces, including resistance to magnetism, reliability of time keeping in 5 positions, isochronismhttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Isochronismaction=edit, power reserve http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_reserve and dial arrangement, accompanied with record keeping of the reliability of the watch on each regular inspection the legendary railroad watch is established and the ball watch is king of them all. only thing is, though, there never was such a crash. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I'm just glad that we used the mapmaker's FIRST name! My old HS teacher used to sing a little ditty that went something like God Bless Vespucciland... That's usually about as far as he went. Was a Tom Lehrer fan, too. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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how much was this big sum? On Feb 15, 2008 9:11 PM, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have an old railroad watch? I have my fathers; an Elgin. I remember him having to take it in to a certified watchmaker periodically to get its accuracy checked. It was running in 1939 when he retired from the railroad but it doesn't run now. Watchmaker said it would have to be disassembled so the dried oil could be cleaned out of the jewel bearings and that it would then be good as new. He wanted a big price to do it, so I declined. Watchmaker said such watchs were common and not worth a great deal as antiques. The case was gold plated and the movement was 21 jewel IIRC. Gerry - - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] you have heard the expression on the ball? webb c ball had a jewelery shop on cleveland where the time was wired in from the US Naval Observatory and displayed in the window. webb ball and those who came by his shop in cleveland really were among the few in that age who could answer the question of whether anybody knows what time it is. webb really liked precision timekeepers. he'd buy very good movements from very solid makers and hot rod them in the shop. you could go into ball's shop and buy one of hte most accurate watches on the earth at the end of the 19th century. and then ball and his crew could keep it running like that for you indefinitely. ball's watches really, really good and priced accordingly. the average man in the street had neither the means to afford such a timepiece nor the need for one, as he could live happily with a 15 second a day watch and didn't need one that was tuned to 15 seconds a season. so what was ball to do? he went out telling eveyrone the story of how there was this terrible train crash caused by imprecise timekeeping and how a ball watch maintained at the ball shop was the way to solve this so it would never happen again. as it says in wikipedia: In 1891 there was a collision between Lake Shore and Michigan Southern Railways at Kipton, Ohio http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kipton%2C_Ohio which occurred because an engineer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineer's watch had stopped. The railroad officials commissioned Webb C. Ball as their Chief Time Inspector, in order to establish precision standards and a reliable timepiece inspection system for Railroad chronometershttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railroad_chronometers . He established strict guidelines for the manufacturing of sturdy, reliable precision timepieces, including resistance to magnetism, reliability of time keeping in 5 positions, isochronism http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Isochronismaction=edit, power reserve http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_reserve and dial arrangement, accompanied with record keeping of the reliability of the watch on each regular inspection the legendary railroad watch is established and the ball watch is king of them all. only thing is, though, there never was such a crash. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Tom Lehrer...haven't heard of him in awhile. Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 7:45 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] WAS Not 240 OT Blacks Whites etc I'm just glad that we used the mapmaker's FIRST name! My old HS teacher used to sing a little ditty that went something like God Bless Vespucciland... That's usually about as far as he went. Was a Tom Lehrer fan, too. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Did he poison pigeons in the park? --R Jim Cathey wrote: I'm just glad that we used the mapmaker's FIRST name! My old HS teacher used to sing a little ditty that went something like God Bless Vespucciland... That's usually about as far as he went. Was a Tom Lehrer fan, too. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Just put some Mobil1 0W30 in it, and CHANGE THE FUSE! --R archer wrote: Does anyone have an old railroad watch? I have my fathers; an Elgin. I remember him having to take it in to a certified watchmaker periodically to get its accuracy checked. It was running in 1939 when he retired from the railroad but it doesn't run now. Watchmaker said it would have to be disassembled so the dried oil could be cleaned out of the jewel bearings and that it would then be good as new. He wanted a big price to do it, so I declined. Watchmaker said such watchs were common and not worth a great deal as antiques. The case was gold plated and the movement was 21 jewel IIRC. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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ha ha ha! Oh, and I do have one too. Ed 300E On 16/02/2008, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just put some Mobil1 0W30 in it, and CHANGE THE FUSE! --R archer wrote: Does anyone have an old railroad watch? I have my fathers; an Elgin. I remember him having to take it in to a certified watchmaker periodically to get its accuracy checked. It was running in 1939 when he retired from the railroad but it doesn't run now. Watchmaker said it would have to be disassembled so the dried oil could be cleaned out of the jewel bearings and that it would then be good as new. He wanted a big price to do it, so I declined. Watchmaker said such watchs were common and not worth a great deal as antiques. The case was gold plated and the movement was 21 jewel IIRC. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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R A Bennell wrote: Not sure if you folks get the same thing down south but here in Canada we get first nations to describe what we used to refer to as Indians. In the states, the politically correct expression is (or was, maybe I'm behind the times) Native American. My grandmother, a progressive northern schoolteacher in her youth (born 1904), always said colored people. By 1990, she was starting to catch on to 'black', but by then the hyphenated P.C. crap was in vogue, so she was still behind the times. I must admit the hyphens piss me off more than they should. What's the matter with you, isn't being American good enough for ya? I never knew an African-American, all the African born people I know are still citizens of some country over there. I do know a lot of Indian- Americans, Lebanese-Americans, and even a few Pakistani-Americans, but I figure most people would just call them Immigrants. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Not sure if you folks get the same thing down south but here in Canada we get first nations to describe what we used to refer to as Indians. Somehow they make it seem like they consider themselves to be better than the rest of us since they are first. Of course, maybe they are better than us since the rest of us seem to support most of them since they won't work. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Zoltan Finks Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 2:48 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Not 240 I once saw a speech given by David Duke? the head of the klan? Anyway, one of his views was that Whites should be called European American. Now I certainly am not behind the klan, but I have to say, if we must call Blacks African American then why don't we deserve others to go to the same silly trouble? Brian ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WAS Not 240 OT Blacks Whites etc
we pretty much killed all of ours in eastern US. not sure how it goes out west. On Feb 13, 2008 3:58 PM, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not sure if you folks get the same thing down south but here in Canada we get first nations to describe what we used to refer to as Indians. Somehow they make it seem like they consider themselves to be better than the rest of us since they are first. Of course, maybe they are better than us since the rest of us seem to support most of them since they won't work. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Zoltan Finks Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 2:48 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Not 240 I once saw a speech given by David Duke? the head of the klan? Anyway, one of his views was that Whites should be called European American. Now I certainly am not behind the klan, but I have to say, if we must call Blacks African American then why don't we deserve others to go to the same silly trouble? Brian ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I don't really think this list is a good place for this particular discussion. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
