Re: [MBZ] WAY OT: fertilizer [was Re: killing weeds and Bombay cats]
For that 'soil' you need to do what we do in many parts of the FL Keys. You dig out a hole about the size of a pot and fill it with dirt. Drainage is less a problem with coral than it is with heavy clay, though. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LWB250 Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 9:40 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] WAY OT: fertilizer [was Re: killing weeds and Bombay cats] Most of the plantings at the home we built in Wisconsin died within the first year. Because we were on a bluff at the shoreline, the ground was heavy (and I mean HEAVY) clay. You could dig a hole, pour a bucket of water in it, and it would take literally weeks to drain (if the water didn't evaporate first.) I kid you not, I bent a shovel blade when trying to dig a hole in the stuff. I even used a hydraulic power auger to drill the holes for my deck footers, and I had to hang on the top of the auger arm to force it into the soil. Dan --- Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Probably too much water then, and poor drainage. > > Check the soil -- if soaked, you will have to find a way to get the > water to drain. It should be damp, not full of water. Do not water > unless the soil is quite dry and the leaves droop. > > Peter > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: > http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WAY OT: fertilizer [was Re: killing weeds and Bombay cats]
On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 23:45:25 -0500 Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, you can overdo it, especially chicken poop -- too much nitrogen > burns the roots off the tomato plant. > > Water it really well, should help revive it, but you may only get > leaves, no tomatoes -- I make that mistake once too. Yup, you get prize winning tomato PLANTS. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WAY OT: fertilizer [was Re: killing weeds and Bombay cats]
Most of the plantings at the home we built in Wisconsin died within the first year. Because we were on a bluff at the shoreline, the ground was heavy (and I mean HEAVY) clay. You could dig a hole, pour a bucket of water in it, and it would take literally weeks to drain (if the water didn't evaporate first.) I kid you not, I bent a shovel blade when trying to dig a hole in the stuff. I even used a hydraulic power auger to drill the holes for my deck footers, and I had to hang on the top of the auger arm to force it into the soil. Dan --- Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Probably too much water then, and poor drainage. > > Check the soil -- if soaked, you will have to find a > way to get the > water to drain. It should be damp, not full of > water. Do not water > unless the soil is quite dry and the leaves droop. > > Peter > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: > http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WAY OT: fertilizer [was Re: killing weeds and Bombay cats]
Probably too much water then, and poor drainage. Check the soil -- if soaked, you will have to find a way to get the water to drain. It should be damp, not full of water. Do not water unless the soil is quite dry and the leaves droop. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WAY OT: fertilizer [was Re: killing weeds and Bombay cats]
It is seattle. IT RAINS -- LOTS so maybe they are being drowned. This is a new bed for them to be in and other stuff grew great there in the past. When the water from the sky went away for a few days, I would hose it down before dinner so it had a chance to evap off the foliage. No growing. Must need miracle grow clay On Jul 18, 2007, at 5:52 AM, OK Don wrote: > You also have to water them > > On 7/17/07, Redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Which poop is best for my tomato? I had amended the soil with some >> nice composted chicken poop. When I planted I enriched around the >> tomato start with composted steer poop. >> >> The stupid plant has been there with a bean plant for two months and >> not getting much taller than the second tier of the tomato cage. >> >> >> clay > > -- > OK Don, KD5NRO > Norman, OK > "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics." > -Benjamin Disraeli > '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WAY OT: fertilizer [was Re: killing weeds and Bombay cats]
Around here tomatoes thrive pretty much no matter what you do to them. The sultry DC weather and long growing season make for an ideal combination. Only problem this year has been the ongoing drought which has forced me to water a couple times On 7/18/07, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You also have to water them > > On 7/17/07, Redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Which poop is best for my tomato? I had amended the soil with some > > nice composted chicken poop. When I planted I enriched around the > > tomato start with composted steer poop. > > > > The stupid plant has been there with a bean plant for two months and > > not getting much taller than the second tier of the tomato cage. > > > > > > clay > > -- > OK Don, KD5NRO > Norman, OK > "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics." > -Benjamin Disraeli > '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WAY OT: fertilizer [was Re: killing weeds and Bombay cats]
You also have to water them On 7/17/07, Redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Which poop is best for my tomato? I had amended the soil with some > nice composted chicken poop. When I planted I enriched around the > tomato start with composted steer poop. > > The stupid plant has been there with a bean plant for two months and > not getting much taller than the second tier of the tomato cage. > > > clay -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics." -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WAY OT: fertilizer [was Re: killing weeds and Bombay cats]
Well, you can overdo it, especially chicken poop -- too much nitrogen burns the roots off the tomato plant. Water it really well, should help revive it, but you may only get leaves, no tomatoes -- I make that mistake once too. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WAY OT: fertilizer [was Re: killing weeds and Bombay cats]
- Original Message - From: "Redghost" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Which poop is best for my tomato? I had amended the soil with some > nice composted chicken poop. When I planted I enriched around the > tomato start with composted steer poop. > The stupid plant has been there with a bean plant for two months and > not getting much taller than the second tier of the tomato cage. --- Maybe the secret is giving tomatos a good start in life. Years ago my widower uncle started his tomato plants in a tray. He kept them in his bedroom at night and watered them with his night urine. They produced about the best tomatos anyone has ever eaten. One day at dinner my mother was going on about how good Uncle Henrys tomatos were until my father told her how he had started them. She never ate another one after that. You could try Uncle Henrys method, Clay, just don't tell anyone how you started them. Gerry (-:] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WAY OT: fertilizer [was Re: killing weeds and Bombay cats]
Which poop is best for my tomato? I had amended the soil with some nice composted chicken poop. When I planted I enriched around the tomato start with composted steer poop. The stupid plant has been there with a bean plant for two months and not getting much taller than the second tier of the tomato cage. clay On Jul 17, 2007, at 3:38 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: > I have a doctorate in Botany and have been gardening for about 40 > years > > Peter > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WAY OT: fertilizer [was Re: killing weeds and Bombay cats]
I have a doctorate in Botany and have been gardening for about 40 years Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WAY OT: fertilizer [was Re: killing weeds and Bombay cats]
Good comeback Andrew! Randy in Winnipeg -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 9:14 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] WAY OT: fertilizer [was Re: killing weeds and Bombay cats] Yeah, this list is a veritable cauldron of renaissance men. On 7/17/07, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Wow, you know your feces! > > Luther > > On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:56:30 -0500, Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > In order of preference: > > > > Horse (hot composted, else it's full of seeds) > > > > Sheep/goat > > > > Cow. > > > > Cow manure is sloppy and low in humus forming material, sheep/goat is > > better, being drier and a bit higher in humic materials. Horse is > > lower in plant nutrients, but vastly better for soil building (horses > > don't digest cellulose, the others do). > > > > Chicken manure is very high in nitrogen (usually as free ammonia) and > > stinks to high heaven, but is great for high nitorgen feeding crops. > > > > Mammalian manure is much too likely to contain pathogens that will > > survive composting, and usually stinks too much. Nutrient wise, it's > > great. > > > > I like to add six inches or so of rotted horse manure to my garden > > every couple years. Since I met my "new" neighbors, I now have access > > to the output of a pair any time I want to haul it! > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > -- > Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark > '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case > '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) > '82 300CD (166 kmi) > '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold > '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WAY OT: fertilizer [was Re: killing weeds and Bombay cats]
Yeah, this list is a veritable cauldron of renaissance men. On 7/17/07, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Wow, you know your feces! > > Luther > > On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:56:30 -0500, Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > In order of preference: > > > > Horse (hot composted, else it's full of seeds) > > > > Sheep/goat > > > > Cow. > > > > Cow manure is sloppy and low in humus forming material, sheep/goat is > > better, being drier and a bit higher in humic materials. Horse is > > lower in plant nutrients, but vastly better for soil building (horses > > don't digest cellulose, the others do). > > > > Chicken manure is very high in nitrogen (usually as free ammonia) and > > stinks to high heaven, but is great for high nitorgen feeding crops. > > > > Mammalian manure is much too likely to contain pathogens that will > > survive composting, and usually stinks too much. Nutrient wise, it's > > great. > > > > I like to add six inches or so of rotted horse manure to my garden > > every couple years. Since I met my "new" neighbors, I now have access > > to the output of a pair any time I want to haul it! > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > -- > Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark > '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case > '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) > '82 300CD (166 kmi) > '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold > '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WAY OT: fertilizer [was Re: killing weeds and Bombay cats]
Wow, you know your feces! Luther On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:56:30 -0500, Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In order of preference: > > Horse (hot composted, else it's full of seeds) > > Sheep/goat > > Cow. > > Cow manure is sloppy and low in humus forming material, sheep/goat is > better, being drier and a bit higher in humic materials. Horse is > lower in plant nutrients, but vastly better for soil building (horses > don't digest cellulose, the others do). > > Chicken manure is very high in nitrogen (usually as free ammonia) and > stinks to high heaven, but is great for high nitorgen feeding crops. > > Mammalian manure is much too likely to contain pathogens that will > survive composting, and usually stinks too much. Nutrient wise, it's > great. > > I like to add six inches or so of rotted horse manure to my garden > every couple years. Since I met my "new" neighbors, I now have access > to the output of a pair any time I want to haul it! > > Peter > > -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WAY OT: fertilizer [was Re: killing weeds and Bombay cats]
Correct me, too -- only the chicken manure isn't mammalian (being avian, if you want to split that hair). Pig poop is too much like human poop, likely to carry pathogens. Works fine if properly handled (the usual digestion process will clean it up nicely, but who the stink!) Ditto for cat and dog -- too many common parasites by now, especially cats and histoplasmosis. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WAY OT: fertilizer [was Re: killing weeds and Bombay cats]
In order of preference: Horse (hot composted, else it's full of seeds) Sheep/goat Cow. Cow manure is sloppy and low in humus forming material, sheep/goat is better, being drier and a bit higher in humic materials. Horse is lower in plant nutrients, but vastly better for soil building (horses don't digest cellulose, the others do). Chicken manure is very high in nitrogen (usually as free ammonia) and stinks to high heaven, but is great for high nitorgen feeding crops. Mammalian manure is much too likely to contain pathogens that will survive composting, and usually stinks too much. Nutrient wise, it's great. I like to add six inches or so of rotted horse manure to my garden every couple years. Since I met my "new" neighbors, I now have access to the output of a pair any time I want to haul it! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WAY OT: fertilizer [was Re: killing weeds and Bombay cats]
Good point - maybe it's carnivore waste? On 7/16/07, Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:20:45 -0500 "OK Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I think it is generally considered in poor taste (pun intended) to use > > any mammalian waste product in compost that you are going to use on a > > vegetable garden. > > How about horse or cow manure? > > > Craig -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics." -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] WAY OT: fertilizer [was Re: killing weeds and Bombay cats]
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:20:45 -0500 "OK Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think it is generally considered in poor taste (pun intended) to use > any mammalian waste product in compost that you are going to use on a > vegetable garden. How about horse or cow manure? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
