Re: [MBZ] clock?

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 06/07/2017 11:01 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:

And that name is painted on the face of the clock.

The later, identical-looking clock that is _not_ mechanical has "VDO
Quarz-Zeit"
painted on it.  I'll let you guess who made it.  (Though electronic, it is
not the
now-ubiquitous stepper-motor design.  It uses a quartz oscillator to drive a
bog-standard synchronous motor plug-in-the-wall clock mechanism.  It hums,
not ticks.)

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] clock?

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

And that name is painted on the face of the clock.

The later, identical-looking clock that is _not_ mechanical has "VDO
Quarz-Zeit"
painted on it.  I'll let you guess who made it.  (Though electronic, it is
not the
now-ubiquitous stepper-motor design.  It uses a quartz oscillator to drive a
bog-standard synchronous motor plug-in-the-wall clock mechanism.  It hums,
not ticks.)

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Re: [MBZ] clock?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

It's the company that made them. 

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> On Jul 5, 2017, at 7:05 PM, tyee165 via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> But why is it called by that name?
> 
> 
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> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Date: 2017-07-05  8:10 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: Mercedes 
> Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
> <ka...@striplin.net> Subject: Re: [MBZ] clock? 
> That's the clock that is mechanical that is in the older cars
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 5, 2017, at 7:59 AM, tyee165 via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> What is a kienzle clock?
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A
>>  Original message From: Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Date: 2017-07-04  11:25 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: Mercedes 
>> Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Cc: Jim Cathey 
>> <jim.cathey...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [MBZ] clock? 
>> The Kienzle (sp?) clock is electric, not electronic.  Nothing uses
>> electrons in it but a solenoid and a switch.  The rest is all mechanical,
>> and, unlike the later electronic clocks in the same form factor, they're
>> easy to open.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] clock?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

It’s the clock manufacturer’s name.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kienzle_Uhren 


-D



> On Jul 5, 2017, at 8:05 PM, tyee165 via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> But why is it called by that name?
> 

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Re: [MBZ] clock?

[tyee165 via Mercedes]

But why is it called by that name?


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<mercedes@okiebenz.com> Date: 2017-07-05  8:10 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: Mercedes 
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<ka...@striplin.net> Subject: Re: [MBZ] clock? 
That's the clock that is mechanical that is in the older cars

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> On Jul 5, 2017, at 7:59 AM, tyee165 via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> What is a kienzle clock?
> 
> 
> Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A
>  Original message From: Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Date: 2017-07-04  11:25 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: Mercedes 
> Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Cc: Jim Cathey 
> <jim.cathey...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [MBZ] clock? 
> The Kienzle (sp?) clock is electric, not electronic.  Nothing uses
> electrons in it but a solenoid and a switch.  The rest is all mechanical,
> and, unlike the later electronic clocks in the same form factor, they're
> easy to open.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] clock?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Jim repaired several of my Kienzle clocks in W111 coupes.  Can be quite
challenging, depending on what was wrong.

On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 9:13 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:

> The older MB models (pre W116/W123) had mechanical clocks made by this
> company. They had a mechanical movement that was wound through a sort of
> escapement arrangement.  There was a lever that had an electrical contact
> on it, that when closed, would energize a solenoid that would move the
> lever to the end of its travel, which wound a spring that ran the clock. As
> the spring unwound, the lever would move back to the closed position,
> closing the circuit to energize the solenoid again.
>
> I don't recall the interval of time this took, but it was a pretty novel
> setup. As long as you had battery voltage available the clock would
> continue to keep itself wound.
>
> -D
>
> > On Jul 5, 2017, at 8:59 AM, tyee165 via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > What is a kienzle clock?
> >
> >
> > Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A
> >  Original message From: Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> Date: 2017-07-04  11:25 PM  (GMT-06:00) To:
> Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Cc: Jim Cathey <
> jim.cathey...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [MBZ] clock?
> > The Kienzle (sp?) clock is electric, not electronic.  Nothing uses
> > electrons in it but a solenoid and a switch.  The rest is all mechanical,
> > and, unlike the later electronic clocks in the same form factor, they're
> > easy to open.
> >
> > -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] clock?

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

The older MB models (pre W116/W123) had mechanical clocks made by this company. 
They had a mechanical movement that was wound through a sort of escapement 
arrangement.  There was a lever that had an electrical contact on it, that when 
closed, would energize a solenoid that would move the lever to the end of its 
travel, which wound a spring that ran the clock. As the spring unwound, the 
lever would move back to the closed position, closing the circuit to energize 
the solenoid again.

I don't recall the interval of time this took, but it was a pretty novel setup. 
As long as you had battery voltage available the clock would continue to keep 
itself wound.

-D

> On Jul 5, 2017, at 8:59 AM, tyee165 via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> What is a kienzle clock?
> 
> 
> Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A
>  Original message From: Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Date: 2017-07-04  11:25 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: Mercedes 
> Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Cc: Jim Cathey 
> <jim.cathey...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [MBZ] clock? 
> The Kienzle (sp?) clock is electric, not electronic.  Nothing uses
> electrons in it but a solenoid and a switch.  The rest is all mechanical,
> and, unlike the later electronic clocks in the same form factor, they're
> easy to open.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] clock?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

That's the clock that is mechanical that is in the older cars

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> On Jul 5, 2017, at 7:59 AM, tyee165 via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> What is a kienzle clock?
> 
> 
> Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A
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> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Date: 2017-07-04  11:25 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: Mercedes 
> Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Cc: Jim Cathey 
> <jim.cathey...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [MBZ] clock? 
> The Kienzle (sp?) clock is electric, not electronic.  Nothing uses
> electrons in it but a solenoid and a switch.  The rest is all mechanical,
> and, unlike the later electronic clocks in the same form factor, they're
> easy to open.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] clock?

[tyee165 via Mercedes]

What is a kienzle clock?


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<jim.cathey...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [MBZ] clock? 
The Kienzle (sp?) clock is electric, not electronic.  Nothing uses
electrons in it but a solenoid and a switch.  The rest is all mechanical,
and, unlike the later electronic clocks in the same form factor, they're
easy to open.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] clock?

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

The Kienzle (sp?) clock is electric, not electronic.  Nothing uses
electrons in it but a solenoid and a switch.  The rest is all mechanical,
and, unlike the later electronic clocks in the same form factor, they're
easy to open.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] clock?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Not even an appearance as a "guest speaker?" to promote the book/neke expert


Mountain Man via Mercedes 
July 4, 2017 at 6:49 PM

That is correct. But his latest book was just released. He talked a
little about that. You don't think he would do okiebenz, correct?
tin.manOkiebenz has a lower reader age than mercedeslist. Many threads at
mercedeslist involve joint replacement, hearing aids, pain meds,
cataracts, and other more typically retired folk issues. No problem
with those topics. They have a depth of knowledge about the marque
that might rival okiebenz.
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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Yes, he did.  But otherwise I don’t see him posting very often.

And no, I don’t see him participating here for a number of reasons.

-D



> On Jul 4, 2017, at 7:49 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> -D wrote:
>> I don’t see Jim posting there often.
> 
> That is correct.  But his latest book was just released.  He talked a
> little about that.  You don't think he would do okiebenz, correct?
> tin.man
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Re: [MBZ] clock?

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Max wrote:
> They need to mix in politics and guns, with some cooking and beer brewing.

Politics is verboten.  Guns is okay.
Cooking and beer brewing is fine.  In fact Chuck is the brewmaster at
North Coast Brewing.  Nice hefty craft beer.
tin.man

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[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

-D wrote:
> I don’t see Jim posting there often.

That is correct.  But his latest book was just released.  He talked a
little about that.  You don't think he would do okiebenz, correct?
tin.man

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Re: [MBZ] clock?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Trust me, you’re not missing anything.  Today’s topics:

“Being retired”
“Question on mobile phones”
“Driving on treacherous roads”

I did see one MB related topic:

"Dirty drained engine oil” (Mobil 1 or dino juice?)

zz

-D




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> I have several fake accounts subscribed but I have not bother to ready any of 
> their messages in years.
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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Not to mention homebuilts, smokin food, huntin, B52s and other military 
aircraft, a few war stories, etc.



Max Dillon via Mercedes 
July 4, 2017 at 6:25 PM
They need to mix in politics and guns, with some cooking and beer brewing.


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They need to mix in politics and guns, with some cooking and beer brewing.
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On July 4, 2017 6:32:37 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
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>Yes, their subject matter is quite mundane.  Lots of threads about the
>weather.  I don’t see Jim posting there often.
>
>-D
>
>
>> On Jul 4, 2017, at 6:30 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes
> wrote:
>> 
>> Curley wrote:
>>> So we should invite him to the list.
>> 
>> Not gonna happen.
>> Jim is more straitlaced than Poos.
>> Okiebenz is offlimits, i.e. mercedeslist does not acknowledge its
>existence.
>> Okiebenz has a lower reader age than mercedeslist.  Many threads at
>> mercedeslist involve joint replacement, hearing aids, pain meds,
>> cataracts, and other more typically retired folk issues.  No problem
>> with those topics.  They have a depth of knowledge about the marque
>> that might rival okiebenz.
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I have several fake accounts subscribed but I have not bother to ready any of 
their messages in years.

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> On Jul 4, 2017, at 5:32 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Yes, their subject matter is quite mundane.  Lots of threads about the 
> weather.  I don’t see Jim posting there often.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Jul 4, 2017, at 6:30 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Curley wrote:
>>> So we should invite him to the list.
>> 
>> Not gonna happen.
>> Jim is more straitlaced than Poos.
>> Okiebenz is offlimits, i.e. mercedeslist does not acknowledge its existence.
>> Okiebenz has a lower reader age than mercedeslist.  Many threads at
>> mercedeslist involve joint replacement, hearing aids, pain meds,
>> cataracts, and other more typically retired folk issues.  No problem
>> with those topics.  They have a depth of knowledge about the marque
>> that might rival okiebenz.
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Okiebenz is more the real world, working man sort of deal. The Hitler list is 
more cheese and caviar ala MBCA sort of deal. 

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> Curley wrote:
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> 
> Not gonna happen.
> Jim is more straitlaced than Poos.
> Okiebenz is offlimits, i.e. mercedeslist does not acknowledge its existence.
> Okiebenz has a lower reader age than mercedeslist.  Many threads at
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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Yes, their subject matter is quite mundane.  Lots of threads about the weather. 
 I don’t see Jim posting there often.

-D


> On Jul 4, 2017, at 6:30 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes  
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> 
> Curley wrote:
>> So we should invite him to the list.
> 
> Not gonna happen.
> Jim is more straitlaced than Poos.
> Okiebenz is offlimits, i.e. mercedeslist does not acknowledge its existence.
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Curley wrote:
> So we should invite him to the list.

Not gonna happen.
Jim is more straitlaced than Poos.
Okiebenz is offlimits, i.e. mercedeslist does not acknowledge its existence.
Okiebenz has a lower reader age than mercedeslist.  Many threads at
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cataracts, and other more typically retired folk issues.  No problem
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Re: [MBZ] clock?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

So we should invite him to the list.  He could tell us how to move the 
small nukie plants forward.  Free Lektric for all!



Mountain Man via Mercedes 
July 4, 2017 at 3:46 PM

Totally - big time author about Atomic things.
Atomic Adventures, Atomic Awakening, Atomic Accidents, Nuclear Power,
Nuclear Power, Nuclear Power, Nuclear Power.
tin.man

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Re: [MBZ] clock?

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Kaleb wrote:
> Is he still around?

Totally - big time author about Atomic things.
Atomic Adventures, Atomic Awakening, Atomic Accidents, Nuclear Power,
Nuclear Power, Nuclear Power, Nuclear Power.
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Re: [MBZ] clock?

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

I do not change it back and forth because I never drive the car in the 
winter.



On 04/07/2017 1:11 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
The self winding clocks are self adjusting.  Keep setting it back to 
the right time, and it should regulate itself after a few resets.


They are very elegant and wonderful clocks in parts of the world that 
did not succumb to the lunacy of "Daylight Savings Time"  I often just 
leave them on one time or the other to preserve the accuracy


If the battery was out of the car and it completely ran down, it may 
reset itself to as fast as it will go.  I am not sure if I ever 
heard.  I don't  know how the self correcting feature works. It is 
still possible the self correcting part is broken.  But, I'd reset it 
a few times and see if the error lessens.



Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
July 4, 2017 at 11:58 AM
76 300D


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Re: [MBZ] clock?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

The self winding clocks are self adjusting.  Keep setting it back to the 
right time, and it should regulate itself after a few resets.


They are very elegant and wonderful clocks in parts of the world that 
did not succumb to the lunacy of "Daylight Savings Time"  I often just 
leave them on one time or the other to preserve the accuracy


If the battery was out of the car and it completely ran down, it may 
reset itself to as fast as it will go.  I am not sure if I ever heard.  
I don't  know how the self correcting feature works.  It is still 
possible the self correcting part is broken.  But, I'd reset it a few 
times and see if the error lessens.



Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
July 4, 2017 at 11:58 AM
76 300D


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Re: [MBZ] clock?

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

There's a repair technique I hadn't considered, irradiation

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 1:21 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yup.  Little solenoid inside that “kicks” the spring to wind it.  Near
> impossible to disassemble without damage.
>
> Send to Jim Mahaffey in Atlanta for rebuilding or irradiation.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] clock?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Sure is.  Just ordered a copy of his latest book:

https://smile.amazon.com/dp/1681774216/_encoding=UTF8?coliid=I1P1KIQDTJZR31=3581QJB5T4CDE
 


Don’t know if he still fixes clocks, though.

-D


> On Jul 4, 2017, at 1:44 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Is he still around?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 4, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yup.  Little solenoid inside that “kicks” the spring to wind it.  Near 
>> impossible to disassemble without damage.
>> 
>> Send to Jim Mahaffey in Atlanta for rebuilding or irradiation.
>> 
>> That’s why I asked.
>> 
>> 

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Re: [MBZ] clock?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Is he still around?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 4, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Yup.  Little solenoid inside that “kicks” the spring to wind it.  Near 
> impossible to disassemble without damage.
> 
> Send to Jim Mahaffey in Atlanta for rebuilding or irradiation.
> 
> That’s why I asked.
> 
> 
>> On Jul 4, 2017, at 1:15 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 115  Self winding
>> 
>>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>> July 4, 2017 at 12:08 PM
>>> W123 or W116?
>>> 
>>> I believe it’s an electrical clock - if so, there are capacitors to 
>>> replace. Pretty straightforward repair.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] clock?

[tyee165 via Mercedes]

115


Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A
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<mercedes@okiebenz.com> Date: 2017-07-04  12:08 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: Mercedes 
List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Cc: Dan Penoff <d...@penoff.com> Subject: Re: 
[MBZ] clock? 
W123 or W116?

I believe it’s an electrical clock - if so, there are capacitors to replace. 
Pretty straightforward repair.

-D


> On Jul 4, 2017, at 12:58 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> 76 300D
> 
> On 04/07/2017 11:56 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> What car?
>> 
>>> On Jul 4, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The clock in my car has always kept perfect time - until just recently. It 
>>> now gains time.
>>> 
>>> I think I recall something about issues with capacitors. Am I correct? Is 
>>> there a relatively easy fix?
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] clock?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Yup.  Little solenoid inside that “kicks” the spring to wind it.  Near 
impossible to disassemble without damage.

Send to Jim Mahaffey in Atlanta for rebuilding or irradiation.

That’s why I asked.


> On Jul 4, 2017, at 1:15 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 115  Self winding
> 
>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> July 4, 2017 at 12:08 PM
>> W123 or W116?
>> 
>> I believe it’s an electrical clock - if so, there are capacitors to replace. 
>> Pretty straightforward repair.
>> 
>> -D
>> 


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Re: [MBZ] clock?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

115  Self winding


Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
July 4, 2017 at 12:08 PM
W123 or W116?

I believe it’s an electrical clock - if so, there are capacitors to 
replace. Pretty straightforward repair.


-D




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76 300D




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Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
July 4, 2017 at 11:56 AM
What car?



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Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
July 4, 2017 at 11:55 AM
The clock in my car has always kept perfect time - until just 
recently. It now gains time.


I think I recall something about issues with capacitors. Am I correct? 
Is there a relatively easy fix?




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Re: [MBZ] clock?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

W123 or W116?

I believe it’s an electrical clock - if so, there are capacitors to replace. 
Pretty straightforward repair.

-D


> On Jul 4, 2017, at 12:58 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 76 300D
> 
> On 04/07/2017 11:56 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> What car?
>> 
>>> On Jul 4, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The clock in my car has always kept perfect time - until just recently. It 
>>> now gains time.
>>> 
>>> I think I recall something about issues with capacitors. Am I correct? Is 
>>> there a relatively easy fix?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] clock?

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

76 300D

On 04/07/2017 11:56 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

What car?


On Jul 4, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes  
wrote:

The clock in my car has always kept perfect time - until just recently. It now 
gains time.

I think I recall something about issues with capacitors. Am I correct? Is there 
a relatively easy fix?



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Re: [MBZ] clock?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

What car?

> On Jul 4, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The clock in my car has always kept perfect time - until just recently. It 
> now gains time.
> 
> I think I recall something about issues with capacitors. Am I correct? Is 
> there a relatively easy fix?
> 
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[MBZ] clock?

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

The clock in my car has always kept perfect time - until just recently. 
It now gains time.


I think I recall something about issues with capacitors. Am I correct? 
Is there a relatively easy fix?




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[MBZ] Clock Repair W123

[Jon Agne]

I followed this link:

http://web.archive.org/web/20071013023637/http://diymbrepair.com/easley/clock.htm

It worked perfectly.

Also did cabin temp sensor replacement (along with tube replacement), fixed 
glove box door, replaced right sun visor, reinstalled passenger kick panel, 
diesel purge, new fuel filters, oil change with filter, air filter...

Going to Atlanta for a month of training.I think the 300D is ready!

Jon



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Re: [MBZ] Clock Repair W123

[dseretakis]

Do you have a little book where you document all you do with date and mileage? 
It's always fun to look back or use for reference!

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 16, 2013, at 6:53 PM, Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote:

 I followed this link:
 
 http://web.archive.org/web/20071013023637/http://diymbrepair.com/easley/clock.htm
 
 It worked perfectly.
 
 Also did cabin temp sensor replacement (along with tube replacement), fixed 
 glove box door, replaced right sun visor, reinstalled passenger kick panel, 
 diesel purge, new fuel filters, oil change with filter, air filter...
 
 Going to Atlanta for a month of training.I think the 300D is ready!
 
 Jon
 
 
 
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[MBZ] Clock Help

[Vernon Ritchey]

The clock in my 82 300SD finally quit.  From initial inspection, it appears 
that the resistor just abobe the crystal is cooked.  Can anyone advise how to 
proceed?  Id the cooked resistor the problem or just a symptom of some other 
problem?  Does anyone have a schematic?  Are these things DYI fixable or do I 
need to send it somewhere?  Any help appreciated.


Scott Ritchey, Kittrell, NC
1982 300 SD 225K miles
1979 300 TD 355K miles
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hi all
yesterday i went i started my car and heard that skipping/starter  sound(
the starter is engaged, the teeth on the bendix (drive  ARE fully engaged and
not skipping /stripping on the flywheel )
 the reason why i am writing ,is this has been happening for the  last three
years  i replaced the starter originally ? replaced it last year  ( bosch
rebuilt) and am having the same problem now 1 year later
oh this happens only when its cold out side... 20 deg or less  the starter
engages , skips engaged and starts the engine  and  when the car warms up all is
fine.
 naturally i have checked the flywheel teeth  2 times now and its  fine
 has any body had a starter with a armature that skips in side the  bendix
...???

collins
1985 500 sec

Re: [MBZ] Clock Help

[Jim Cathey]

The clock in my 82 300SD finally quit.  From initial inspection, it 
appears that the resistor just above the crystal is cooked.  Can 
anyone advise how to proceed?  Id the cooked resistor the problem or 
just a symptom of some other problem?  Does anyone have a schematic?  
Are these things DYI fixable or do I need to send it somewhere?  Any 
help appreciated.


That happened to the clock in our most recent SL.  What you will 
probably

find is that _both_ electrolytic capacitors in the clock are shorted.
(All three discussed circuit elements are effectively in series across
the power supply, so when both caps short the resistor takes one up the
exhaust pipe.)  Replace them.  The resistor may in fact still be OK,
IIRC it's about 120 ohms.  Ours was OK, after two new caps the clock
started working flawlessly.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Clock Help

[Tom Scordato]

Overseas Speedometer fixes them or used units are often up on eBay.

Regards Tom Scordato
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Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 12:54 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Clock Help


The clock in my 82 300SD finally quit.  From initial inspection, it 
appears that the resistor just abobe the crystal is cooked.  Can anyone 
advise how to proceed?  Id the cooked resistor the problem or just a 
symptom of some other problem?  Does anyone have a schematic?  Are these 
things DYI fixable or do I need to send it somewhere?  Any help 
appreciated.



Scott Ritchey, Kittrell, NC
1982 300 SD 225K miles
1979 300 TD 355K miles
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Re: [MBZ] Clock Help

[Tom Scordato]

Sorry forgot the web site for Overseas Speedo
Talk to Rick or James
1-800-444-0292

http://www.speedometer.com/index.html
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Overseas Speedometer fixes them or used units are often up on eBay.

Regards Tom Scordato
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Subject: [MBZ] Clock Help



The clock in my 82 300SD finally quit.  From initial inspection, it
appears that the resistor just abobe the crystal is cooked.  Can anyone
advise how to proceed?  Id the cooked resistor the problem or just a
symptom of some other problem?  Does anyone have a schematic?  Are these
things DYI fixable or do I need to send it somewhere?  Any help
appreciated.


Scott Ritchey, Kittrell, NC
1982 300 SD 225K miles
1979 300 TD 355K miles
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Re: [MBZ] clock stopped

[Marshall Booth]

redghost wrote:

Marshall is biting his tongue, or he has me on ignore

Fuse

Doh


Loose screws holding the instrument cluster together OR a poor gound 
connection can cause the clock to stop. So can a marginal pair of 
electrolytic capacitors in the clock mechanism.


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Re: [MBZ] clock stopped

[redghost]

I have a few of the marginal capacitor clocks.  I guess I should find a 
source for fresh ones and replace them.


I rebuilt the cluster with working speedo and oil gauge to go along 
with the clock.  Did a dot of paint on the screws, still there.  The 
multimeter found continuity where it needed.


Just the standard poor quality fuses, which are fresh again.

On Monday, August 8, 2005, at 04:31 PM, Marshall Booth wrote:


redghost wrote:

Marshall is biting his tongue, or he has me on ignore

Fuse

Doh


Loose screws holding the instrument cluster together OR a poor gound
connection can cause the clock to stop. So can a marginal pair of
electrolytic capacitors in the clock mechanism.

Marshall
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1987 300SDL - POS - DOA

Re: [MBZ] clock stopped

[Curt Raymond]

I'm a senior tech for a company that makes video editing software, recently 
I've been supervising some kids working for us at an outsource company in 
Canada. The hardest thing has been teaching them to look at the simple stuff 
first. Just yesterday one of them was trying to help a guy figure out why his 
fonts didn't work. After working on it for 15 minutes he finally asked me, I 
had him check the fonts folder... Gee the fonts he wants aren't there, shocker.

-Curt

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Fuse

Doh


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[MBZ] clock stopped

[redghost]

I looked at the dash and the clock stopped

I pulled it and ran 12v, and it works  just not in Gump

what now?


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Re: [MBZ] clock stopped

[OK Don]

Ground connection???

On 8/8/05, redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I looked at the dash and the clock stopped
 
 I pulled it and ran 12v, and it works just not in Gump
 
 what now?
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] clock stopped

[redghost]

Could be.  It was working fine last week.  Battery is fine, I emery 
cleaned the contacts on the cluster, still nothing


On Monday, August 8, 2005, at 02:58 PM, OK Don wrote:


Ground connection???

On 8/8/05, redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I looked at the dash and the clock stopped

I pulled it and ran 12v, and it works  just not in Gump

what now?


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1995 E300D - Cleo
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Re: [MBZ] clock stopped

[OK Don]

Is there 12v. to the clock in the cluster? Continuity to ground (a known 
good ground point)?

On 8/8/05, redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Could be. It was working fine last week. Battery is fine, I emery
 cleaned the contacts on the cluster, still nothing
 
 On Monday, August 8, 2005, at 02:58 PM, OK Don wrote:
 
  Ground connection???
 
  On 8/8/05, redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I looked at the dash and the clock stopped
 
  I pulled it and ran 12v, and it worksjust not in Gump
 
  what now?
 
 
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  1995 E300D - Cleo
  1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
 
 
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 1995 E300D - Cleo
 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
 
 
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'78 450SLC

Re: [MBZ] clock stopped

[redghost]

Marshall is biting his tongue, or he has me on ignore

Fuse

Doh

On Monday, August 8, 2005, at 03:13 PM, OK Don wrote:

Is there 12v. to the clock in the cluster? Continuity to ground (a 
known good ground point)?


On 8/8/05, redghost  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Could be.  It was working fine last week.  Battery is fine, I emery
cleaned the contacts on the cluster, still nothing

On Monday, August 8, 2005, at 02:58 PM, OK Don wrote:

 Ground connection???

 On 8/8/05, redghost  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I looked at the dash and the clock stopped

 I pulled it and ran 12v, and it worksjust not in Gump

 what now?


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Seattle Bioburner

1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA