Re: [MBZ] Cruise control amp install

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On August 2, 2017 at 10:03 PM OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Yes, spring loaded syringe, melt with iron, then quickly put the syringe
> tip over it and push the button - pop, there goes the solder.

I squeeze the bulb, put the pc board joint in the hole in the tip of the iron, 
wait a couple of seconds, and let go of the bulb. Put the iron over an aluminum 
pot pie tin (too bad Banquet quit making those wonderful tools) and squirt out 
the old stuff. 
And as others have noted, reusing the solder in the iron does not work, have to 
resolder with new after removing the old. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Cruise control amp install

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Yes, spring loaded syringe, melt with iron, then quickly put the syringe
tip over it and push the button - pop, there goes the solder.

On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 4:34 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Radio Shack still carries the one I use:
> https://www.radioshack.com/products/radioshack-45-watt-desoldering-iron
>
> But they're probably talking about a syringe like thing that does the
> sucking after you melt it with something else.
>
> > On August 2, 2017 at 5:20 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > What is a solder sucker? Sounds like something I need.
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Re: [MBZ] Cruise control amp install

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Radio Shack still carries the one I use:
https://www.radioshack.com/products/radioshack-45-watt-desoldering-iron

But they're probably talking about a syringe like thing that does the sucking 
after you melt it with something else. 

> On August 2, 2017 at 5:20 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>  wrote:
> What is a solder sucker? Sounds like something I need.

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Re: [MBZ] Cruise control amp install

[OK Don via Mercedes]

https://www.amazon.com/WEmake-WM-SP4-Solder-Sucker-desoldering/dp/B0002KRAAG


On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 4:20 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
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> What is a solder sucker? Sounds like something I need.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 2, 2017, at 4:10 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 15:40:34 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> I use a "solder sucker" to remove most of the old solder, then apply
> >> new - I don't trust old mechanically broken/hardened and oxidized
> >> solder. Only had to do each board once . . .
> >
> > That would be my approach, too.
> >
> >
> > Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Cruise control amp install

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

I just use some copper braid made for that purpose. Melt solder, touch braid to 
it and it pulls the solder off the connection. The sucker creates a vacuum.

Greg

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cruise control amp install

What is a solder sucker? Sounds like something I need.

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> On Aug 2, 2017, at 4:10 PM, Craig via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 15:40:34 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I use a "solder sucker" to remove most of the old solder, then apply 
>> new - I don't trust old mechanically broken/hardened and oxidized 
>> solder. Only had to do each board once . . .
> 
> That would be my approach, too.
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Cruise control amp install

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On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 16:20:05 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> What is a solder sucker? Sounds like something I need.


https://www.amazon.com/Electronix-Express-060820-Solder-Desoldering/dp/B00L2HRW92/ref=sr_1_5?s=hi=UTF8=1501709179=1-5=solder+sucker


https://www.amazon.com/OMorc-Desoldering-Solder-Sucker-Length/dp/B01I14V4X8/ref=sr_1_1?s=hi=UTF8=1501709179=1-1-spons=solder+sucker=1


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Re: [MBZ] Cruise control amp install

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

What is a solder sucker? Sounds like something I need.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 2, 2017, at 4:10 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 15:40:34 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> I use a "solder sucker" to remove most of the old solder, then apply
>> new - I don't trust old mechanically broken/hardened and oxidized
>> solder. Only had to do each board once . . .
> 
> That would be my approach, too.
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Cruise control amp install

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 15:40:34 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I use a "solder sucker" to remove most of the old solder, then apply
> new - I don't trust old mechanically broken/hardened and oxidized
> solder. Only had to do each board once . . .

That would be my approach, too.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Cruise control amp install

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I use a "solder sucker" to remove most of the old solder, then apply new -
I don't trust old mechanically broken/hardened and oxidized solder. Only
had to do each board once . . .

On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 10:20 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Never occurred to me that somebody might add only heat!
> Yes, you MUST use some fresh flux, and the easiest way is
> to add a dab of extra solder.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Cruise control amp install

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Never occurred to me that somebody might add only heat!
Yes, you MUST use some fresh flux, and the easiest way is
to add a dab of extra solder.

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Re: [MBZ] Cruise control amp install

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 03:15:34 -0500 fmiser via Mercedes
 wrote:

> When you re-flow the joints, add a bit of that Multicore solder.
> I bit of fresh rosin can make an old joint flow nicely.  Just a
> bit - unless its a big joint, then load it up.  The extra solder
> can also improve the mechanical durability of the joint.

Indeed. Never reflow solder without flux.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Cruise control amp install

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> > Kaleb wrote:
> >
> > ... yesterday the  cruise did not want to work during the
> > first part of the day but started working again later on. This
> > was after installling it back on the bracket.

> Jim wrote:
>
> I have had several of these CC amps that I had to re-solder more
> than once before it would behave.  I've never had one that I
> could not get going, though.

When you re-flow the joints, add a bit of that Multicore solder.
I bit of fresh rosin can make an old joint flow nicely.  Just a
bit - unless its a big joint, then load it up.  The extra solder
can also improve the mechanical durability of the joint.

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Re: [MBZ] Cruise control amp install

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

I have had several of these CC amps that I had to re-solder more than once
before it would behave.  I've never had one that I could not get going,
though.
Not yet, anyway.

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Re: [MBZ] Cruise control amp install

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

That's what I'm going to do next time. In fact yesterday the cruise did not 
want to work during the first part of the day but started working again later 
on. This was after installling it back on the bracket. If I got to pull it it 
again this is what I will do. I drove the 95 e300 today and the cruise appears 
dead in it also.

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> On Aug 1, 2017, at 12:08 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote 
> 
> I found it's often easier to bend open the ears in situ and slip the PCB
> straight out.
> 
> Repair it on the bench, slip it back into place, and hammer the ears back
> over.
> (Not until after sufficient testing, of course.)
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Re: [MBZ] Cruise control amp install

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

I found it's often easier to bend open the ears in situ and slip the PCB
straight out.

Repair it on the bench, slip it back into place, and hammer the ears back
over.
(Not until after sufficient testing, of course.)

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Re: [MBZ] Cruise control amp install

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

The CC amp on my 123 wagon is similarly awkwardly placed under the steering
column, and required a bit of time on my back to do the R/R.  Since the
Programa rebuild it has worked flawlessly (6 years).

On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 9:11 PM, Michael Esh via Mercedes <
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> Yes, I've done that way as well.
>
> Michael E. Esh
>
>
> > On Jul 30, 2017, at 2:32 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Get a 1/4” ratchet and an extension and use it from over the top of the
> brake pedal stuff to run the bolt in.  If you’re under there and look
> around you’ll see what I’m talking about.
> >
> > It’s a total pig to get to but that was how I recall doing it on my
> 350SDL.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >
> >> On Jul 30, 2017, at 2:29 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> So after working on the cruise amp I had it just tucked up under the
> dash out of the way. Today I am trying to actually finish the install. It's
> held on to the brake pedal support my a single bolt but it's so awkward
> trying to work up under the dash of the 126 you have to be able to keep the
> bolt from pushing back in the mounting hole while at the same time placing
> the cruise amp/bracket back on the bolt then getting the nut back on. I
> have been at it a good while and still have not gotten it back on. Bolt
> keeps trying to push back and it's near impossible to hold it and put nut
> on at the same time. Maybe I should try pulling the cluster and doing it
> from the top
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Cruise control amp install

[Michael Esh via Mercedes]

Yes, I've done that way as well. 

Michael E. Esh


> On Jul 30, 2017, at 2:32 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Get a 1/4” ratchet and an extension and use it from over the top of the brake 
> pedal stuff to run the bolt in.  If you’re under there and look around you’ll 
> see what I’m talking about.
> 
> It’s a total pig to get to but that was how I recall doing it on my 350SDL.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Jul 30, 2017, at 2:29 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> So after working on the cruise amp I had it just tucked up under the dash 
>> out of the way. Today I am trying to actually finish the install. It's held 
>> on to the brake pedal support my a single bolt but it's so awkward trying to 
>> work up under the dash of the 126 you have to be able to keep the bolt from 
>> pushing back in the mounting hole while at the same time placing the cruise 
>> amp/bracket back on the bolt then getting the nut back on. I have been at it 
>> a good while and still have not gotten it back on. Bolt keeps trying to push 
>> back and it's near impossible to hold it and put nut on at the same time. 
>> Maybe I should try pulling the cluster and doing it from the top 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Cruise control amp install

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I find that a magnet from an old hard drive works very nicely to hold bots
in place while putting the bracket, etc. on it from below.
The magnet does need to come from an old hard drive, not a newer one - they
are too small/weak.

On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 2:09 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
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> I will add I had to remove the big black round air pipe at the front under
> the dash to give me more room. I also pulled the cluster and there is too
> much stuff in the way to get to it from above.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 30, 2017, at 1:55 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin 
> wrote:
> >
> > I ended up getting the bolt started. I was finally able to get into a
> position to where I could see it better, carefully got the bracket on and
> pulled down on it enough to put enough pressure on the bolt so it would not
> push back in while threading the nut. Got the nut on about a thread worth
> and was them able to tighten it down. What a pug of a job. Removing is
> easy, installing is not.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jul 30, 2017, at 1:32 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Get a 1/4” ratchet and an extension and use it from over the top of the
> brake pedal stuff to run the bolt in.  If you’re under there and look
> around you’ll see what I’m talking about.
> >>
> >> It’s a total pig to get to but that was how I recall doing it on my
> 350SDL.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Jul 30, 2017, at 2:29 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> So after working on the cruise amp I had it just tucked up under the
> dash out of the way. Today I am trying to actually finish the install. It's
> held on to the brake pedal support my a single bolt but it's so awkward
> trying to work up under the dash of the 126 you have to be able to keep the
> bolt from pushing back in the mounting hole while at the same time placing
> the cruise amp/bracket back on the bolt then getting the nut back on. I
> have been at it a good while and still have not gotten it back on. Bolt
> keeps trying to push back and it's near impossible to hold it and put nut
> on at the same time. Maybe I should try pulling the cluster and doing it
> from the top
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] Cruise control amp install

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I will add I had to remove the big black round air pipe at the front under the 
dash to give me more room. I also pulled the cluster and there is too much 
stuff in the way to get to it from above.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 30, 2017, at 1:55 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:
> 
> I ended up getting the bolt started. I was finally able to get into a 
> position to where I could see it better, carefully got the bracket on and 
> pulled down on it enough to put enough pressure on the bolt so it would not 
> push back in while threading the nut. Got the nut on about a thread worth and 
> was them able to tighten it down. What a pug of a job. Removing is easy, 
> installing is not.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 30, 2017, at 1:32 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Get a 1/4” ratchet and an extension and use it from over the top of the 
>> brake pedal stuff to run the bolt in.  If you’re under there and look around 
>> you’ll see what I’m talking about.
>> 
>> It’s a total pig to get to but that was how I recall doing it on my 350SDL.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 30, 2017, at 2:29 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> So after working on the cruise amp I had it just tucked up under the dash 
>>> out of the way. Today I am trying to actually finish the install. It's held 
>>> on to the brake pedal support my a single bolt but it's so awkward trying 
>>> to work up under the dash of the 126 you have to be able to keep the bolt 
>>> from pushing back in the mounting hole while at the same time placing the 
>>> cruise amp/bracket back on the bolt then getting the nut back on. I have 
>>> been at it a good while and still have not gotten it back on. Bolt keeps 
>>> trying to push back and it's near impossible to hold it and put nut on at 
>>> the same time. Maybe I should try pulling the cluster and doing it from the 
>>> top 
>>> 
>>> Sent from  my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Cruise control amp install

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I ended up getting the bolt started. I was finally able to get into a position 
to where I could see it better, carefully got the bracket on and pulled down on 
it enough to put enough pressure on the bolt so it would not push back in while 
threading the nut. Got the nut on about a thread worth and was them able to 
tighten it down. What a pug of a job. Removing is easy, installing is not.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 30, 2017, at 1:32 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Get a 1/4” ratchet and an extension and use it from over the top of the brake 
> pedal stuff to run the bolt in.  If you’re under there and look around you’ll 
> see what I’m talking about.
> 
> It’s a total pig to get to but that was how I recall doing it on my 350SDL.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Jul 30, 2017, at 2:29 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> So after working on the cruise amp I had it just tucked up under the dash 
>> out of the way. Today I am trying to actually finish the install. It's held 
>> on to the brake pedal support my a single bolt but it's so awkward trying to 
>> work up under the dash of the 126 you have to be able to keep the bolt from 
>> pushing back in the mounting hole while at the same time placing the cruise 
>> amp/bracket back on the bolt then getting the nut back on. I have been at it 
>> a good while and still have not gotten it back on. Bolt keeps trying to push 
>> back and it's near impossible to hold it and put nut on at the same time. 
>> Maybe I should try pulling the cluster and doing it from the top 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Cruise control amp install

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Get a 1/4” ratchet and an extension and use it from over the top of the brake 
pedal stuff to run the bolt in.  If you’re under there and look around you’ll 
see what I’m talking about.

It’s a total pig to get to but that was how I recall doing it on my 350SDL.

-D


> On Jul 30, 2017, at 2:29 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So after working on the cruise amp I had it just tucked up under the dash out 
> of the way. Today I am trying to actually finish the install. It's held on to 
> the brake pedal support my a single bolt but it's so awkward trying to work 
> up under the dash of the 126 you have to be able to keep the bolt from 
> pushing back in the mounting hole while at the same time placing the cruise 
> amp/bracket back on the bolt then getting the nut back on. I have been at it 
> a good while and still have not gotten it back on. Bolt keeps trying to push 
> back and it's near impossible to hold it and put nut on at the same time. 
> Maybe I should try pulling the cluster and doing it from the top 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Cruise control amp install

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I need to get one off the donor 126 but haven't yet so not sure how it 
works, but I have found that liberal use of blue tape for holding 
various things is a good technique to try for things like this, if you 
can get some in there to hold things


--FT


On 7/30/17 2:29 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

So after working on the cruise amp I had it just tucked up under the dash out 
of the way. Today I am trying to actually finish the install. It's held on to 
the brake pedal support my a single bolt but it's so awkward trying to work up 
under the dash of the 126 you have to be able to keep the bolt from pushing 
back in the mounting hole while at the same time placing the cruise amp/bracket 
back on the bolt then getting the nut back on. I have been at it a good while 
and still have not gotten it back on. Bolt keeps trying to push back and it's 
near impossible to hold it and put nut on at the same time. Maybe I should try 
pulling the cluster and doing it from the top

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[MBZ] Cruise control amp install

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

So after working on the cruise amp I had it just tucked up under the dash out 
of the way. Today I am trying to actually finish the install. It's held on to 
the brake pedal support my a single bolt but it's so awkward trying to work up 
under the dash of the 126 you have to be able to keep the bolt from pushing 
back in the mounting hole while at the same time placing the cruise amp/bracket 
back on the bolt then getting the nut back on. I have been at it a good while 
and still have not gotten it back on. Bolt keeps trying to push back and it's 
near impossible to hold it and put nut on at the same time. Maybe I should try 
pulling the cluster and doing it from the top 

Sent from  my iPhone

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Re: [MBZ] Cruise control amp recap

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

The GenRad calls the ESR rating "Q".  I look at that,
and the rated capacitance.  The Heathkit IT-28 is responsible
for the leakage test, and is the only one that puts significant
voltage on the cap.  I always start there, and if it passes that
test then I'll throw it on one of the good bridge testers.  Plus I
just like that green magic eye tube winking at me...

I like the GenRad 1657, but the HP 4277A is clearly a much
more expensive piece of equipment.  I haven't had it all that
long.  (It, like the others, was free to me.)

The Frako electrolytics turn in miserable performance numbers.
They can short out, they lose capacitance, they develop
high ESR...

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Re: [MBZ] Cruise control amp recap

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> > Jim wrote:
> > 
> > The Frakos fail, the (few) others I've tested don't.

> Dan wrote:

> That may be, but it’s false economy to not replace all the
> electrolytics while you’re there.

Maybe.  But I don't think so.  But by measuring the Effective
Series Resistance (which I am _presuming_ is how Jim is testing
them), it is not a binary test - that is, good/bad.  As the
capacitor deteriorates the ESR drifts.  IF it hasn't change in 20
years, there is no reason to think it will begin now.

> While the others might be fine, they’re close to 20 years old if
> not older, so why not swap them out anyway?  It’s pocket change
> cost-wise and takes all of a minute or two to do.

How good are your replacements?  Will they Frakos in 5 years?
The others on the board have demonstrated their stability.

Jim, am I right on your test gear?  Is there another factor I'm
not considering?

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Re: [MBZ] Cruise control amp recap

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That may be, but it’s false economy to not replace all the electrolytics while 
you’re there.  While the others might be fine, they’re close to 20 years old if 
not older, so why not swap them out anyway?  It’s pocket change cost-wise and 
takes all of a minute or two to do.

-D


> On Jul 22, 2017, at 12:45 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> For the record, I have capacitor testers.  (Heathkit, GenRad,
> Hewlett-Packard.)  The Frakos fail, the (few) others I've tested don't.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Cruise control amp recap

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For the record, I have capacitor testers.  (Heathkit, GenRad,
Hewlett-Packard.)  The Frakos fail, the (few) others I've tested don't.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Cruise control amp recap

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

On the dozen-plus CC amps I have repaired, I've _never_ replaced any
capacitor except a Frako.  The other repair is re-soldering everything.  I
had _one_ that killed some driver transistors, probably due to bad
soldering that allowed the H-drive to engage a short across the power.


IMHO, de-Frako and resolder everything, and you're good to go.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Cruise control amp recap

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Please share!  The CC amp in my wagon has gone wonky again, I'd love to fix
that (again).

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 9:02 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> There are 5 of them that I see, which are the same ones Craig circled in
> blue. Poos also sent me his version offlist with the same 5 circled, which
> is the exact same 5 I came up with.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Jul 22, 2017, at 7:57 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Why don't you circle what you consider to be capacitors and let Jim or
> > Craig grade your work?
> >
> > I agree with Jim, that is the only one that I can positively ID as a
> > capacitor, the other things I'm not sure of (square and upright).  I see
> a
> > lot of big can-shaped diodes that you may be mistaking for capacitors.
> >
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 8:53 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I see the Frako one. Are you saying I only need to replace it and not
> all
> >> of them?
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Jul 21, 2017, at 10:44 PM, Jim Cathey 
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> You have exactly one, and it's labeled "FRAKO".  That make, in that
> >> vintage, have a high incidence of failure.
> >>>
> >>> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Cruise control amp recap

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

There are 5 of them that I see, which are the same ones Craig circled in blue. 
Poos also sent me his version offlist with the same 5 circled, which is the 
exact same 5 I came up with. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 22, 2017, at 7:57 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Why don't you circle what you consider to be capacitors and let Jim or
> Craig grade your work?
> 
> I agree with Jim, that is the only one that I can positively ID as a
> capacitor, the other things I'm not sure of (square and upright).  I see a
> lot of big can-shaped diodes that you may be mistaking for capacitors.
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 8:53 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I see the Frako one. Are you saying I only need to replace it and not all
>> of them?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 21, 2017, at 10:44 PM, Jim Cathey 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> You have exactly one, and it's labeled "FRAKO".  That make, in that
>> vintage, have a high incidence of failure.
>>> 
>>> -- Jim
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Cruise control amp recap

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Why don't you circle what you consider to be capacitors and let Jim or
Craig grade your work?

I agree with Jim, that is the only one that I can positively ID as a
capacitor, the other things I'm not sure of (square and upright).  I see a
lot of big can-shaped diodes that you may be mistaking for capacitors.

-
Max
Charleston SC

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I see the Frako one. Are you saying I only need to replace it and not all
> of them?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 21, 2017, at 10:44 PM, Jim Cathey 
> wrote:
> >
> > You have exactly one, and it's labeled "FRAKO".  That make, in that
> vintage, have a high incidence of failure.
> >
> > -- Jim
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Cruise control amp recap

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I see the Frako one. Are you saying I only need to replace it and not all of 
them?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 21, 2017, at 10:44 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
> 
> You have exactly one, and it's labeled "FRAKO".  That make, in that vintage, 
> have a high incidence of failure.
> 
> -- Jim
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Cruise control amp recap

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

You have exactly one, and it's labeled "FRAKO".  That make, in that
vintage, have a high incidence of failure.

-- Jim
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[MBZ] cruise control amp

[hans hansel]

I took the advice from this group and pulled the cruise control amp from my 
84 300d.  Tried applying heat to all the solder connections on the back of 
the board, but I learned that I'm not as good with a soldering iron as I 
thought.  I wound up about halfway through before I melted my fingers.

I reinstalled the amp and it hold cruise for about a minute, then 
disengages.  The accelerate function works ok.

So now I'm looking for a replacement 13 pin amp, part #7932.

Anyone got any ideas where I can find one?

Hans Hansel
84 300d
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 So now I'm looking for a replacement 13 pin amp, part #7932.

 Anyone got any ideas where I can find one?

 Hans Hansel
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Re: [MBZ] cruise control amp

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On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 20:34:59 -0600 OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  So now I'm looking for a replacement 13 pin amp, part #7932.

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But not for an opamp.


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Re: [MBZ] Cruise Control Amp Replacements -

[LarryT]

Thx Andrew - I checked their website without finding any CC Amps - ?

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cruise Control Amp Replacements -


I had good experiences on rebuilt CC and other components with Beckmann
 Technologies (they advertise in the Star)

 On Dec 26, 2007 5:02 PM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Kaleb,
 We've obviously had different experiences with GM ;-)

 -- Rusty's Amps are $240+ (don't recall the exact amount)

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 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cruise Control Amp Replacements -


  Did you check with Rusty?  Im sorry, I just would not buy a stick of 
  gum
  off
  GM.
 
  ---
  Kaleb C. Striplin
  Cox Auto Trader
  730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor
 
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  Subject: [MBZ] Cruise Control Amp Replacements -
 
 
  FYI --
 Rec'd a rebuilt CC Amp Monday from Geo Murphy in Tenn - cost was
 $149
  +
  a $75 core charge - comes with a 1 year warranty -  write
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] for details -
 
 After checking a lot of companies offering the CC Amps, George's
 price
  seemed like the best price all around.
 
 I hope to install it during the next few days --  will be nice to
 have
  CC again -
 
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Re: [MBZ] Cruise Control Amp Replacements -

[andrew strasfogel]

That's weird.  They also tested the EFI computer on my 280 SE 3.5 about 12
years ago.

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 Thx Andrew - I checked their website without finding any CC Amps - ?

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 I had good experiences on rebuilt CC and other components with Beckmann
  Technologies (they advertise in the Star)
 
  On Dec 26, 2007 5:02 PM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Hi Kaleb,
  We've obviously had different experiences with GM ;-)
 
  -- Rusty's Amps are $240+ (don't recall the exact amount)
 
  Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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  From: Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 1:21 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cruise Control Amp Replacements -
 
 
   Did you check with Rusty?  Im sorry, I just would not buy a stick of
   gum
   off
   GM.
  
   ---
   Kaleb C. Striplin
   Cox Auto Trader
   730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor
  
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   From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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   Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 12:08 PM
   Subject: [MBZ] Cruise Control Amp Replacements -
  
  
   FYI --
  Rec'd a rebuilt CC Amp Monday from Geo Murphy in Tenn - cost was
  $149
   +
   a $75 core charge - comes with a 1 year warranty -  write
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] for details -
  
  After checking a lot of companies offering the CC Amps, George's
  price
   seemed like the best price all around.
  
  I hope to install it during the next few days --  will be nice to
  have
   CC again -
  
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Re: [MBZ] Cruise Control Amp Replacements -

[Kaleb C. Striplin, work]

Did you check with Rusty?  Im sorry, I just would not buy a stick of gum off 
GM.

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- Original Message - 
From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 12:08 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Cruise Control Amp Replacements -


 FYI --
Rec'd a rebuilt CC Amp Monday from Geo Murphy in Tenn - cost was $149 +
 a $75 core charge - comes with a 1 year warranty -  write
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] for details -

After checking a lot of companies offering the CC Amps, George's price
 seemed like the best price all around.

I hope to install it during the next few days --  will be nice to have
 CC again -

 Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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[MBZ] Cruise Control Amp Replacements -

[LarryT]

FYI --
Rec'd a rebuilt CC Amp Monday from Geo Murphy in Tenn - cost was $149 + 
a $75 core charge - comes with a 1 year warranty -  write 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] for details -

After checking a lot of companies offering the CC Amps, George's price 
seemed like the best price all around.

I hope to install it during the next few days --  will be nice to have 
CC again -

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Re: [MBZ] Cruise Control Amp Replacements -

[LarryT]

Hi Kaleb,
We've obviously had different experiences with GM ;-)

-- Rusty's Amps are $240+ (don't recall the exact amount)

Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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From: Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cruise Control Amp Replacements -


 Did you check with Rusty?  Im sorry, I just would not buy a stick of gum 
 off
 GM.

 ---
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 Cox Auto Trader
 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor

 - Original Message - 
 From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 12:08 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] Cruise Control Amp Replacements -


 FYI --
Rec'd a rebuilt CC Amp Monday from Geo Murphy in Tenn - cost was $149 
 +
 a $75 core charge - comes with a 1 year warranty -  write
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] for details -

After checking a lot of companies offering the CC Amps, George's price
 seemed like the best price all around.

I hope to install it during the next few days --  will be nice to have
 CC again -

 Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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Re: [MBZ] Cruise Control Amp Replacements -

[andrew strasfogel]

I had good experiences on rebuilt CC and other components with Beckmann
Technologies (they advertise in the Star)

On Dec 26, 2007 5:02 PM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Kaleb,
 We've obviously had different experiences with GM ;-)

 -- Rusty's Amps are $240+ (don't recall the exact amount)

 Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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 - Original Message -
 From: Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 1:21 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cruise Control Amp Replacements -


  Did you check with Rusty?  Im sorry, I just would not buy a stick of gum
  off
  GM.
 
  ---
  Kaleb C. Striplin
  Cox Auto Trader
  730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor
 
  - Original Message -
  From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 12:08 PM
  Subject: [MBZ] Cruise Control Amp Replacements -
 
 
  FYI --
 Rec'd a rebuilt CC Amp Monday from Geo Murphy in Tenn - cost was
 $149
  +
  a $75 core charge - comes with a 1 year warranty -  write
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] for details -
 
 After checking a lot of companies offering the CC Amps, George's
 price
  seemed like the best price all around.
 
 I hope to install it during the next few days --  will be nice to
 have
  CC again -
 
  Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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Re: [MBZ] Cruise Control Amp 1979 240D

[M.Afzaal.Khan]

Hi  the cruise control  works alright but has a little surging  effect  . 
what could be serviced for this?

mak
- Original Message - 
From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 5:41 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cruise Control Amp 1979 240D



Is thee a link to fix these?  MB Model number is 001-545 2132


You can resolder them yourself if you like, most of them seem to
respond to that in my experience.  But it's a tedious job, and
you'd better know how to solder if you want a good chance of success.
Or I can do it.  Or you can get a fixed one with a substantial
warrantee (and price tag) from GDI or Programma tools, though
a quick Google for these doesn't yield any particularly good hits.

http://cathey.dogear.com/JSLcruise.html for DIY,
http://cathey.dogear.com/mamerepairs.html if rubbing the lamp.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Cruise Control Amp 1979 240D

[Jim Cathey]

Jim your help and the help of the others has been of high value.  I 
went out
today an bought a soder gun.  I have three cores.  If I mess up I will 
send
one to you.  No I have never soldered before. So be checking your mail 
Jim


I hate to rain on your parade, but if you're soldering for the first
time on this, it probably won't work.  Especially with a gun rather than
a good iron with a fine tip.  There are a _lot_ of connections, and 
they're
rather small (though nothing when compared to modern surface-mount.)  
But

if that's OK with you, it's OK with me!

But if you do send me one, I'd prefer it to be one you haven't tried
yourself first, no offense intended.

If you take enough time, and are careful enough, you _can_ probably get
it to work.  But beware of cooking the components to death, or burning
or lifting the traces off the board with excess heat.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Cruise Control Amp 1979 240D

[Jim Cathey]

Hi  the cruise control  works alright but has a little surging  effect 
 .

what could be serviced for this?


More description required.  Is it a little jiggly surge like a spastic
foot might cause, especially if irregular, or is it more of a long-scale
hunting effect?  What is the time scale of the surge, in other words?

Jumpy speedo cable can cause it, as can poor vacuum supply.  Or a bad
solder joint in the PID amplifier circuit of the servo system.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Cruise Control Amp 1979 240D

[M.Afzaal.Khan]

Its a little surge 0f about 4 Km or so seems like stepped on the pedal 
gently for a few seconds. the speed is held overall and does not overshoot. 
seems  I don't have the Speedo cable on my 126 300Se/90. its electronic one

mak
- Original Message - 


Hi  the cruise control  works alright but has a little surging  effect
 .
what could be serviced for this?


More description required.  Is it a little jiggly surge like a spastic
foot might cause, especially if irregular, or is it more of a long-scale
hunting effect?  What is the time scale of the surge, in other words?

Jumpy speedo cable can cause it, as can poor vacuum supply.  Or a bad
solder joint in the PID amplifier circuit of the servo system.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Cruise Control Amp 1979 240D

[Barry Stark]

Mak -
I seem to remember folks saying that dry ball joints in the throttle linkage
could cause this. I pop them off and lube them with ATF using a Q-tip. I
have a plastic 35mm film container with some ATF and a Q-tip always at the
ready. I find it very handy for all kinds of lube jobs.

Barry


 Hi  the cruise control  works alright but has a little surging  effect  .
 what could be serviced for this?
 mak

[MBZ] Cruise Control Amp 1979 240D

[ts]

Jim  I bought a good iron tip not a gun.  I took one look at that gun and 
said no way.  I will send you the one from my 240D with a $ check.  I will 
try one on my own from my 1977 300D both cores have the same part number. 
The 240D is a virgin and has not been soldered by me. That I will send to 
you


Regards Tom
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Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 1:42 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cruise Control Amp 1979 240D



Jim your help and the help of the others has been of high value.  I
went out
today an bought a soder gun.  I have three cores.  If I mess up I will
send
one to you.  No I have never soldered before. So be checking your mail
Jim


I hate to rain on your parade, but if you're soldering for the first
time on this, it probably won't work.  Especially with a gun rather than
a good iron with a fine tip.  There are a _lot_ of connections, and
they're
rather small (though nothing when compared to modern surface-mount.)
But
if that's OK with you, it's OK with me!

But if you do send me one, I'd prefer it to be one you haven't tried
yourself first, no offense intended.

If you take enough time, and are careful enough, you _can_ probably get
it to work.  But beware of cooking the components to death, or burning
or lifting the traces off the board with excess heat.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Cruise Control Amp 1979 240D

[Jim Cathey]

Jim  I bought a good iron tip not a gun.  I took one look at that gun 
and

said no way.


You also need some good solder, and may find that some sort of solder
removal device (I use a Solda-pullit) to remove excess will come in 
handy.

And do not overlook the paint stripper step.  Really.

Go slowly, be careful, don't apply too much heat for too long, and be
sure to always grasp the iron by the not-so-hot end.  Use a damp cotton
rag to clean the tip occasionally.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Cruise Control Amp 1979 240D

[Jim Cathey]

Its a little surge 0f about 4 Km or so seems like stepped on the pedal
gently for a few seconds. the speed is held overall and does not 
overshoot.
seems  I don't have the Speedo cable on my 126 300Se/90. its 
electronic one


On a 126 you're talking about the servomotor unit.  If lubing the 
linkage
doesn't do it it's probably the amplifier needing resoldering.  
Sometimes
the feedback potentiometer track inside the servomotor wears out, but 
that

results in difficulties with one particular speed.  If setting a
significantly different speed results in different behavior that's a
good clue there.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Cruise Control Amp 1979 240D

[M.Afzaal.Khan]

Barry   I will do just that using ATF ,hopefully it will sort out the little 
surges,

regards
mak
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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cruise Control Amp 1979 240D



Mak -
I seem to remember folks saying that dry ball joints in the throttle 
linkage

could cause this. I pop them off and lube them with ATF using a Q-tip. I
have a plastic 35mm film container with some ATF and a Q-tip always at the
ready. I find it very handy for all kinds of lube jobs.

Barry



Hi  the cruise control  works alright but has a little surging  effect  .
what could be serviced for this?
mak





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Re: [MBZ] Cruise Control Amp 1979 240D

[M.Afzaal.Khan]

I will start with the lubrication and report back.I am sure it will do the 
rectification as all other parameters are correct. .

Thanks
mak

the feedback potentiometer track inside the servomotor wears out, but
that
results in difficulties with one particular speed.  If setting a
significantly different speed results in different behavior that's a
good clue there.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Cruise Control Amp 1979 240D

[Rich Thomas]

Yow, lubrication and rectification in adjoining sentences.  I am cringing.

--R

M.Afzaal.Khan wrote:
 I will start with the lubrication and report back.I am sure it will do the 
rectification as all other parameters are correct. .

Thanks
mak
  
  

Re: [MBZ] Cruise Control Amp 1979 240D

[M.Afzaal.Khan]

Sorry didn't get that bit. ??
-

Yow, lubrication and rectification in adjoining sentences.  I am cringing.

--R

M.Afzaal.Khan wrote:
 I will start with the lubrication and report back.I am sure it will do 
the

rectification as all other parameters are correct. .
Thanks
mak





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Re: [MBZ] Cruise Control Amp 1979 240D

[David Brodbeck]

Jim Cathey wrote:
 Jim  I bought a good iron tip not a gun.  I took one look at that gun 
 and
 said no way.
 

 You also need some good solder, and may find that some sort of solder
 removal device (I use a Solda-pullit) to remove excess will come in 
 handy.
 And do not overlook the paint stripper step.  Really.
   

I'd also highly recommend you practice on something you don't care
about, first.  Start by soldering wires together.  (This is a useful
skill in automotive work, anyway.)  Then disassemble an old clock radio
or something like that and try resoldering those joints, or buy a small
kit that includes a PC board and put it together. 
(www.ramseyelectronics.com has some.)  Soldering well is a skill you
learn with practice.  It's not hard, but like anything your early
results won't look so good.  It will open up a whole new world of
electronics repair and fabrication for you, though.  It's so nice to be
able to buy connectors and such without having to worry about whether
the terminals are solder-type or screw-type.

Re: [MBZ] Cruise Control Amp 1979 240D

[ts]

thanks David!
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Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cruise Control Amp 1979 240D



Jim Cathey wrote:
Jim  I bought a good iron tip not a gun.  I took one look at that gun 
and

said no way.



You also need some good solder, and may find that some sort of solder
removal device (I use a Solda-pullit) to remove excess will come in 
handy.

And do not overlook the paint stripper step.  Really.
  


I'd also highly recommend you practice on something you don't care
about, first.  Start by soldering wires together.  (This is a useful
skill in automotive work, anyway.)  Then disassemble an old clock radio
or something like that and try resoldering those joints, or buy a small
kit that includes a PC board and put it together. 
(www.ramseyelectronics.com has some.)  Soldering well is a skill you

learn with practice.  It's not hard, but like anything your early
results won't look so good.  It will open up a whole new world of
electronics repair and fabrication for you, though.  It's so nice to be
able to buy connectors and such without having to worry about whether
the terminals are solder-type or screw-type.

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Re: [MBZ] Cruise Control Amp 1979 240D

[LarryT]

David wrote:Soldering well is a skill you learn with practice.  It's not 
hard, but like anything your early

results won't look so good.

One of the early mistakes a beginner makes is to heat the solder.Heating 
the wire (for example) to be soldered and allowing the solder to melt 
against the wire is preferable to heating the solder.  Also, using too much 
solder is a early mistake.  And do not allow the pieces being soldered to 
move until the solder hardens.


Good luck -

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Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cruise Control Amp 1979 240D



Jim Cathey wrote:

Jim  I bought a good iron tip not a gun.  I took one look at that gun
and
said no way.



You also need some good solder, and may find that some sort of solder
removal device (I use a Solda-pullit) to remove excess will come in
handy.
And do not overlook the paint stripper step.  Really.



I'd also highly recommend you practice on something you don't care
about, first.  Start by soldering wires together.  (This is a useful
skill in automotive work, anyway.)  Then disassemble an old clock radio
or something like that and try resoldering those joints, or buy a small
kit that includes a PC board and put it together.
(www.ramseyelectronics.com has some.)  Soldering well is a skill you
learn with practice.  It's not hard, but like anything your early
results won't look so good.  It will open up a whole new world of
electronics repair and fabrication for you, though.  It's so nice to be
able to buy connectors and such without having to worry about whether
the terminals are solder-type or screw-type.

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Re: [MBZ] Cruise Control Amp 1979 240D

[Jim Cathey]

Is thee a link to fix these?  MB Model number is 001-545 2132


You can resolder them yourself if you like, most of them seem to
respond to that in my experience.  But it's a tedious job, and
you'd better know how to solder if you want a good chance of success.
Or I can do it.  Or you can get a fixed one with a substantial
warrantee (and price tag) from GDI or Programma tools, though
a quick Google for these doesn't yield any particularly good hits.

http://cathey.dogear.com/JSLcruise.html for DIY,
http://cathey.dogear.com/mamerepairs.html if rubbing the lamp.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Cruise Control Amp 1979 240D

[ts]

Jim your help and the help of the others has been of high value.  I went out 
today an bought a soder gun.  I have three cores.  If I mess up I will send 
one to you.  No I have never soldered before. So be checking your mail Jim


Regards Tom Scordato
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cruise Control Amp 1979 240D



Is thee a link to fix these?  MB Model number is 001-545 2132


You can resolder them yourself if you like, most of them seem to
respond to that in my experience.  But it's a tedious job, and
you'd better know how to solder if you want a good chance of success.
Or I can do it.  Or you can get a fixed one with a substantial
warrantee (and price tag) from GDI or Programma tools, though
a quick Google for these doesn't yield any particularly good hits.

http://cathey.dogear.com/JSLcruise.html for DIY,
http://cathey.dogear.com/mamerepairs.html if rubbing the lamp.

-- Jim


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[MBZ] Cruise Control Amp 1979 240D

[ts]

Anyone have a cruise control amp they want to sell which they know works.  I 
changed one out today for one I got in a grab bag ebay sale which had a 
bunch of other controlers.  The amp is bad.


Is thee a link to fix these?  MB Model number is 001-545 2132

Regards Tom Scordato
1979 240D 97K miles 

Re: [MBZ] Cruise Control Amp 1979 240D

[Jimmie Watkins]

Try Jim at http://cathey.dogear.com/mamerepairs.html

Harry


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Anyone have a cruise control amp they want to sell which they know
works.  I
changed one out today for one I got in a grab bag ebay sale which had a
bunch of other controlers.  The amp is bad.

Is thee a link to fix these?  MB Model number is 001-545 2132

Regards Tom Scordato
1979 240D 97K miles



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Re: [MBZ] cruise control amp

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Wrong bulb will cause it not to work.

Sunil Hari wrote:


did nothing but switch the rear fog light bulb and the brake light bulb.
Neither was burned out.  Cruise now works at all speeds.  WTF?

On 5/16/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


14 pins

Sunil Hari wrote:



Anyone know offhand if my CC amp in my 92 300D is of the 12-pin


variety?  If


not 12 pins, how many is it?  I haven't had time to extract the unit.



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Re: [MBZ] cruise control amp

[Jim Cathey]

transistors. Schematics are very scarce - Mercedes doesn't supply them
to anyone.


But they _are_ available, at least until the mid 80's.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] cruise control amp

[Sunil Hari]

did nothing but switch the rear fog light bulb and the brake light bulb.
Neither was burned out.  Cruise now works at all speeds.  WTF?

On 5/16/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


14 pins

Sunil Hari wrote:

 Anyone know offhand if my CC amp in my 92 300D is of the 12-pin
variety?  If
 not 12 pins, how many is it?  I haven't had time to extract the unit.


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Re: [MBZ] cruise control amp

[Jim Cathey]

did nothing but switch the rear fog light bulb and the brake light 
bulb.

Neither was burned out.  Cruise now works at all speeds.  WTF?


Corrosion in the socket causing intermittent contact.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] cruise control amp

[Marshall Booth]

Sunil Hari wrote:

did nothing but switch the rear fog light bulb and the brake light bulb.
Neither was burned out.  Cruise now works at all speeds.  WTF?


Old cruise controls do that. They can become intermittent. Sometimes 
using them daily improves reliably and sometimes not (but they USUALLY 
act up again following a period of disuse). They will often work for an 
hour or two and then quit or they may not work until the engine is 
REALLY warmed up. Resolding by someone with really good soldering skills 
corrects these ABOUT 50% of the time (if you don't have really well 
developed soldering skills DON'T practice on a cruise amp). Some units 
really require replacement of the electrolytic capacitors or even 
transistors. Schematics are very scarce - Mercedes doesn't supply them 
to anyone.


Marshall
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[MBZ] cruise control amp

[Sunil Hari]

Anyone know offhand if my CC amp in my 92 300D is of the 12-pin variety?  If
not 12 pins, how many is it?  I haven't had time to extract the unit.

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Re: [MBZ] cruise control amp

[Marshall Booth]

Sunil Hari wrote:

Anyone know offhand if my CC amp in my 92 300D is of the 12-pin variety?  If
not 12 pins, how many is it?  I haven't had time to extract the unit.



As I recall they are 14 pin, but have a plug-in that that earlier units 
don't have. It may be matched to the car/engine.


I HAVE NOT LOOKED THAT UP and don't have time to do it now.

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] cruise control amp

[Sunil Hari]

I tried removing the CC amp today - I removed the black plastic panel,
unplugged the CC amp, but I couldn't see/access the screws or bolts holding
the amp in.  Where are they?

Also, do I have to remove the tan dash panel just below the steering
column?  If so, how?  I thought I removed all the screws (incl. 3 behind the
e-brake release) but it wasn't coming off.

On 5/16/06, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Sunil Hari wrote:
 Anyone know offhand if my CC amp in my 92 300D is of the 12-pin
variety?  If
 not 12 pins, how many is it?  I haven't had time to extract the unit.


As I recall they are 14 pin, but have a plug-in that that earlier units
don't have. It may be matched to the car/engine.

I HAVE NOT LOOKED THAT UP and don't have time to do it now.

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] cruise control amp

[JFreezn]

 
In a message dated 5/16/2006 2:50:13 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I tried  removing the CC amp today - I removed the black plastic panel,
unplugged  the CC amp, but I couldn't see/access the screws or bolts holding
the amp  in.  Where are they?

Also, do I have to remove the tan dash panel  just below the steering
column?  If so, how?  I thought I removed  all the screws (incl. 3 behind the
e-brake release) but it wasn't coming  off.



Sunil,
 
Yes, remove the tan panel.  After you remove the screws, there are a  few 
poppers that must be released on the trim panel.  Just give a careful  tug at 
one 
end and work your way accross.
 
All the cruises I have done are held in place by a single 6mm bolt that  goes 
through the aluminum brake pedal framework.  ON yours, I believe you  will 
find the head of the bolt on the left side of the cruise control.   Start out 
by 
feeling for the head of the bolt and then you will know where to  position 
yourself to get at it
 
Use a 10mm deep socket with a 1/4 inch drive ratchet, if you have  one.  Do 
not worry about any device that is piggy backed onto the cruise  amp.  You can 
just unplug it and then separate them on the work  bench.
 
Earlier models went in from the right side and the brake pedal was  
definitely an obstacle.
 
Good luck,
 
 
Jim  Friesen
Phoenix AZ
79 300SD, 262 K miles 
98 ML 320, 142 K  miles