Re: [MBZ] modern automotive design (was W140)

2010-12-21 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 7:09 AM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: The problems with all modern automobiles is the replacement of analog mechanical controls with digital electronic controls, and subsequent gross cheapening of mechanical design.  Programmer's disease indeed. ... I

Re: [MBZ] modern automotive design (was W140)

2010-12-19 Thread Peter Frederick
The problems with all modern automobiles is the replacement of analog mechanical controls with digital electronic controls, and subsequent gross cheapening of mechanical design. Programmer's disease indeed. I suppose the supposition is that a digital computer will compensate for plastic

Re: [MBZ] modern automotive design (was W140)

2010-12-19 Thread John Freer
Not sure how you can equate the W140 chassis with the rod bender engine when it was introduced in the W126. People also equate the evaporator and wiring harness failures to the W140 but I suspect there are just a few W124 owners who have had some bad experiences in these areas as well. John On

Re: [MBZ] modern automotive design (was W140)

2010-12-19 Thread Mitch Haley
John Freer wrote: People also equate the evaporator and wiring harness failures to the W140 but I suspect there are just a few W124 owners who have had some bad experiences in these areas as well. John But weren't the W124 evaporators pretty much straightened out by 1992? Seems like that

Re: [MBZ] modern automotive design (was W140)

2010-12-19 Thread E M
All cars have their faults and weaknesses. I think the secret is to find a car that really gives you pleasure to drive, and look at. Then, servicing it, and replacing the funky bits as needed, even if you have to do it more than once, won't be quite so painful. It's good to be aware of a models

Re: [MBZ] modern automotive design (was W140)

2010-12-19 Thread Mountain Man
Ed wrote: All cars have their faults and weaknesses.  I think the secret is to find a car that really gives you pleasure to drive, and look at. Hmmm, that is the reason I owned a '76 Dasher wagon, a '75 Nova, an '84 diesel chevyvan - all of which rusted in the midwest, but were surviving well

Re: [MBZ] modern automotive design (was W140)

2010-12-19 Thread E M
I bought a GM minivan while waiting for a replacement hose for the old W124. As my English friends would say, it works exactly as it says on the side of the tin. Everything up here takes a beating with the salt too!! I keep meaning to take out some shares in RustcheckI use enough of the

Re: [MBZ] modern automotive design (was W140)

2010-12-19 Thread Max Dillon
...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 1:24 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] modern automotive design (was W140) John Freer wrote: People also equate the evaporator and wiring harness failures to the W140 but I

Re: [MBZ] modern automotive design (was W140)

2010-12-19 Thread Dieselhead
List Subject: Re: [MBZ] modern automotive design (was W140) John Freer wrote: People also equate the evaporator and wiring harness failures to the W140 but I suspect there are just a few W124 owners who have had some bad experiences in these areas as well. John But weren't the W124

Re: [MBZ] modern automotive design (was W140)

2010-12-19 Thread Peter Frederick
No, they were bad all the way along. Something about copper tubing swaged onto aluminum. Even a biologist like me knows that's going to fail, sooner or later the differential expansion will cause enough stress corrosion for them to leak. Peter ___