Re: [MBZ] radiator exploded
Both cars had dubious pedigrees, so it is possible that even if he used MB coolant the damage had already been done. This was 5+ years ago. On 7/7/07, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: andrew strasfogel wrote: My son had TWO 300SDs that experienced similar radiator failures, except that he continued to drive just a bit too long and toasted both engines I'll bet that both of them had green stuff in the cooling system! Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] radiator exploded
I saw a clown today, when I was exiting the gym, who had a really rough early 107 of some sort (couldn't tell exactly what it was...it was that rough). Said he just moved here from somewhere by San Diego. The car's been in his family since new and it has, he said, like 700 thousand or so...odo's broke. Top hasn't been on for at least ten years (and it looks it). I said 700K seems remarkable and he replied, My dad said we got the good one. It was at least four different colors, but when he started it and drove away it sounded perfect. Bob R It's Humid Now, AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] radiator exploded
My son had TWO 300SDs that experienced similar radiator failures, except that he continued to drive just a bit too long and toasted both engines On 7/7/07, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I saw a clown today, when I was exiting the gym, who had a really rough early 107 of some sort (couldn't tell exactly what it was...it was that rough). Said he just moved here from somewhere by San Diego. The car's been in his family since new and it has, he said, like 700 thousand or so...odo's broke. Top hasn't been on for at least ten years (and it looks it). I said 700K seems remarkable and he replied, My dad said we got the good one. It was at least four different colors, but when he started it and drove away it sounded perfect. Bob R It's Humid Now, AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] radiator exploded
andrew strasfogel wrote: My son had TWO 300SDs that experienced similar radiator failures, except that he continued to drive just a bit too long and toasted both engines I'll bet that both of them had green stuff in the cooling system! Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] radiator exploded
Something in the green coolant seems to make the original Benz plastic and aluminum rads brittle. Happens on other brands too -- I lost a rad on my Volvo TD the same way. You can get copper and brass rads for W123 chassis cars but not later ones, I think. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] radiator exploded
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So my 20 year old took the 300SD along with 3 friends up the Kingsbury grade to Lake Tahoe for the festivities yesterday in 106 degree heat - almost three thousand feet elevation change over the eight miles. He was about 400 feet from summit when he noticed temp gauge, pulled over and just as he turned key off he heard a pop and then it started spewing. He denies it being in the red zone, and he knew not to turn the A/C on at all as a bearing is going bad in the blower. Dad's mobile service arrived to find about five inches of the black plastic radiator top had indeed blown off. I thought the expansion tank cap should guard against such occurrence. Is that correct? Had my cap gone wrong? Anybody else experienced or heard of this happening? I'm gonna do new radiator, hoses, thermostat and cap, but I notice Rusty has a Behr and a Neissens (sp?). Are these interchangeable, and any advantage of one over the other? Pretty straightforward job? Anything else I should replace while into it? The use of non-Mercedes approved anti-freeze (especially the green stuff) causes then plastic to become much more brittle much faster! That and hard radiator hoses and collapsed motor/transmission mounts can put a lot of stress on the radiator plastic parts. A cap that isn't properly venting could increase pressure, but that a rare failure (usually they vent too soon). Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] radiator exploded
Yea, unlike the biodiesel list whos intent is to not bore everyone on the regular list; the SL list is so the SL people do not get bored with the regular list. For some reason they only like to see SL stuff. Not that that is a bad thing OK Don wrote: We have 107 traffic on this list - and Kaleb has a dedicated SL list that also includes the 107 - http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/sl_okiebenz.com I think that many of the 107 owners on the dedicated list are on this one as well - but there are some who only read the SL list. As long as I'm asking questions, anybody know of a good 107 list? Thanks for any thoughts on this. Steve 300SD 250SE 220 450SLC -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] radiator exploded
Blower replacement is a snap, remove the kick panel on the passenger footwell (the panel below the glovebox, locate the blower. I'm not sure of the locking mechanism, however, once it is released, the blower is held inby a bayonet mount, probably a 15 degree twist and it falls out. Have fun! Rory Morrison Oroville, WA 1985 300SD 1982 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] radiator exploded
So my 20 year old took the 300SD along with 3 friends up the Kingsbury grade to Lake Tahoe for the festivities yesterday in 106 degree heat - almost three thousand feet elevation change over the eight miles. He was about 400 feet from summit when he noticed temp gauge, pulled over and just as he turned key off he heard a pop and then it started spewing. He denies it being in the red zone, and he knew not to turn the A/C on at all as a bearing is going bad in the blower. Dad's mobile service arrived to find about five inches of the black plastic radiator top had indeed blown off. I thought the expansion tank cap should guard against such occurrence. Is that correct? Had my cap gone wrong? Anybody else experienced or heard of this happening? I'm gonna do new radiator, hoses, thermostat and cap, but I notice Rusty has a Behr and a Neissens (sp?). Are these interchangeable, and any advantage of one over the other? Pretty straightforward job? Anything else I should replace while into it? Is blower replacement a manageable job on the 126, or did they build the car around the blower like they did on my 108? As long as I'm asking questions, anybody know of a good 107 list? Thanks for any thoughts on this. Steve 300SD 250SE 220 450SLC ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] radiator exploded
I would choose the Behr as it's OE - unless the price is double or something silly like that. As far as the other things, it's been sop long I really can't recall - but I don;t remember how hard it was --- Can't help with the rest -- Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 5:07 PM Subject: [MBZ] radiator exploded So my 20 year old took the 300SD along with 3 friends up the Kingsbury grade to Lake Tahoe for the festivities yesterday in 106 degree heat - almost three thousand feet elevation change over the eight miles. He was about 400 feet from summit when he noticed temp gauge, pulled over and just as he turned key off he heard a pop and then it started spewing. He denies it being in the red zone, and he knew not to turn the A/C on at all as a bearing is going bad in the blower. Dad's mobile service arrived to find about five inches of the black plastic radiator top had indeed blown off. I thought the expansion tank cap should guard against such occurrence. Is that correct? Had my cap gone wrong? Anybody else experienced or heard of this happening? I'm gonna do new radiator, hoses, thermostat and cap, but I notice Rusty has a Behr and a Neissens (sp?). Are these interchangeable, and any advantage of one over the other? Pretty straightforward job? Anything else I should replace while into it? Is blower replacement a manageable job on the 126, or did they build the car around the blower like they did on my 108? As long as I'm asking questions, anybody know of a good 107 list? Thanks for any thoughts on this. Steve 300SD 250SE 220 450SLC ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.0/887 - Release Date: 7/5/2007 1:55 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] radiator exploded
Maybe. Besides failing due to erosion of the top neck, the seams where the top tank is crimped to the tubes can fail as well, although that's not as common. I had a Nissan that recently sprung a leak at the seams, and there's nothing you can do about it short of replacement. The Behr is the OE replacement, so if it makes sense fiscally, use that. Rusty will share his experiences with alternate brands if available, so ask him if there's a significant price difference. Radiator RR in a W126 is a piece of cake, and if you've done one before, can be done in well under an hour, start to finish. Make sure you've got some flare nut wrenches for the tranny cooler lines so you don't round them off. Other than that, drain it, pull the hoses and tranny lines (cap them off), pull the clips off the fan shroud and lay it back on the fan, take the top brackets off and lift it out. Replacement is the reverse of removal. While it's out, take some time to spray out all the crud from the back side of the AC condensor, too. I would get a new cap (proper pressure!) fresh MB antifreeze and possibly hoses if they're the originals. Cheap insurance while youve' got things apart. I also like to mix my antifreeze in advance (50/50) so I know I'm getting the correct throw (ratio) of water to AF. If I recall, the blower on the W126 is pretty easy. Nothing like the 108/114 blowers (I've done one, and have the scars to show for it.) Dan --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is that correct? Had my cap gone wrong? Anybody else experienced or heard of this happening? I'm gonna do new radiator, hoses, thermostat and cap, but I notice Rusty has a Behr and a Neissens (sp?). Are these interchangeable, and any advantage of one over the other? Pretty straightforward job? Anything else I should replace while into it? Is blower replacement a manageable job on the 126, or did they build the car around the blower like they did on my 108? As long as I'm asking questions, anybody know of a good 107 list? Thanks for any thoughts on this. Steve 300SD 250SE 220 450SLC ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] radiator exploded
I know a properly maintained 617 cooling system can handle a load and the desert heat with the A/C on. I recently made the trip through Death Valley and came out of the valley around 1pm in 3rd gear running about 3500-4000 RPM, with full A/C, and about 600lbs of bowling equipment. The temp never went above 110C, and mostly stayed around 105C. Luther On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 17:33:33 -0500, LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe. Besides failing due to erosion of the top neck, the seams where the top tank is crimped to the tubes can fail as well, although that's not as common. I had a Nissan that recently sprung a leak at the seams, and there's nothing you can do about it short of replacement. The Behr is the OE replacement, so if it makes sense fiscally, use that. Rusty will share his experiences with alternate brands if available, so ask him if there's a significant price difference. Radiator RR in a W126 is a piece of cake, and if you've done one before, can be done in well under an hour, start to finish. Make sure you've got some flare nut wrenches for the tranny cooler lines so you don't round them off. Other than that, drain it, pull the hoses and tranny lines (cap them off), pull the clips off the fan shroud and lay it back on the fan, take the top brackets off and lift it out. Replacement is the reverse of removal. While it's out, take some time to spray out all the crud from the back side of the AC condensor, too. I would get a new cap (proper pressure!) fresh MB antifreeze and possibly hoses if they're the originals. Cheap insurance while youve' got things apart. I also like to mix my antifreeze in advance (50/50) so I know I'm getting the correct throw (ratio) of water to AF. If I recall, the blower on the W126 is pretty easy. Nothing like the 108/114 blowers (I've done one, and have the scars to show for it.) Dan --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is that correct? Had my cap gone wrong? Anybody else experienced or heard of this happening? I'm gonna do new radiator, hoses, thermostat and cap, but I notice Rusty has a Behr and a Neissens (sp?). Are these interchangeable, and any advantage of one over the other? Pretty straightforward job? Anything else I should replace while into it? Is blower replacement a manageable job on the 126, or did they build the car around the blower like they did on my 108? As long as I'm asking questions, anybody know of a good 107 list? Thanks for any thoughts on this. Steve 300SD 250SE 220 450SLC -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] radiator exploded
Old age will do that to plastic parts, from memory the radiator cap is supposed to open at 120 celcius but an old brittle radiator may not handle that sort of pressure anymore. Far as Behr vs Nissens, if you have the money spare go for Behr but the Nissens should last half as long as the Behr for half the money. I just replaced the radiator in my 201 due to the neck snapping off the 22 year old Behr, installed a Nissens due to the cost factor (about 50% of the Behr price) and the only real fault is the lack of a drain plug but this can be overcome by removing the bottom radiator hose. Nissens is a big Danish outfit that makes a lot of replacemnet radiators http://www.nissens.dk/uk/index.htm However a quick search indicates that due to your more competitive market there is not that large price difference between Behr and Nissens http://catalog.drivewire.com/drivewire/baseline/wizard-newest.jsp?partner=drivewireyear=1985make=MBmodel=300-SD-002category=Allpart=Radiator or at this mob http://catalog.worldpac.com/buymb/022406/wizard.jsp?header=http://www.buymbparts.com/header.txtfooter=http://www.buymbparts.com/footer.txtpartner=buymbclientid=buymbpartsbaseurl=http://www.buymbparts.com/cookieid=24J17TL8F24J17TQTTyear=1985make=MBmodel=300-SD-002category=Allpart=Radiator So I guess for the extra 34 bucks do yourself a favour and go for the Behr - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 6:37 AM Subject: [MBZ] radiator exploded Dad's mobile service arrived to find about five inches of the black plastic radiator top had indeed blown off. I thought the expansion tank cap should guard against such occurrence. Is that correct? Had my cap gone wrong? Anybody else experienced or heard of this happening? I'm gonna do new radiator, hoses, thermostat and cap, but I notice Rusty has a Behr and a Neissens (sp?). Are these interchangeable, and any advantage of one over the other? Pretty straightforward job? Anything else I should replace while into it? Steve 300SD 250SE 220 450SLC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] radiator exploded
We have 107 traffic on this list - and Kaleb has a dedicated SL list that also includes the 107 - http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/sl_okiebenz.com I think that many of the 107 owners on the dedicated list are on this one as well - but there are some who only read the SL list. As long as I'm asking questions, anybody know of a good 107 list? Thanks for any thoughts on this. Steve 300SD 250SE 220 450SLC -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] radiator exploded
Any plastic tank radiator over 10 years old is on borrowed time. Chances are it was just its time. I'm rather fond of Nissens radiators. I've never had a problem with one ( although I've heard of a number of people having problems with them if they ran Dexcool ) and on most applications they have more tubes and fins than the stock radiator. -Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So my 20 year old took the 300SD along with 3 friends up the Kingsbury grade to Lake Tahoe for the festivities yesterday in 106 degree heat - almost three thousand feet elevation change over the eight miles. He was about 400 feet from summit when he noticed temp gauge, pulled over and just as he turned key off he heard a pop and then it started spewing. He denies it being in the red zone, and he knew not to turn the A/C on at all as a bearing is going bad in the blower. Dad's mobile service arrived to find about five inches of the black plastic radiator top had indeed blown off. I thought the expansion tank cap should guard against such occurrence. Is that correct? Had my cap gone wrong? Anybody else experienced or heard of this happening? I'm gonna do new radiator, hoses, thermostat and cap, but I notice Rusty has a Behr and a Neissens (sp?). Are these interchangeable, and any advantage of one over the other? Pretty straightforward job? Anything else I should replace while into it? Is blower replacement a manageable job on the 126, or did they build the car around the blower like they did on my 108? As long as I'm asking questions, anybody know of a good 107 list? Thanks for any thoughts on this. Steve 300SD 250SE 220 450SLC ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] radiator exploded
Let's face it, we are just not good enough for him. What with our four door family taxis and, heaven forbid, some of us even get around in oil burners. No I am sorry the 107 owners are a more refined bunch and we won't do at all. - Original Message - From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] radiator exploded We have 107 traffic on this list - and Kaleb has a dedicated SL list that also includes the 107 - http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/sl_okiebenz.com I think that many of the 107 owners on the dedicated list are on this one as well - but there are some who only read the SL list. As long as I'm asking questions, anybody know of a good 107 list? Thanks for any thoughts on this. Steve ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
