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That's what I like about Freakonomics, they spend a bunch of time trying to disprove their hypothesis which is as it should be... Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 7:13 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: Not when manipulated by a

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On Behalf Of Jon Agne > via Mercedes > Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 2:02 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Cc: Jon Agne > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Global Warming In MD, Yo > > I am sure that it’s a good book. I studied Statistics and Economics at > Northwestern. I full

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> On December 17, 2016 > Yeah. My bad. I should've made the subject Fire and Ice, or something else. > You like Pat Benatar too? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsKCU5ll3D0 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

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many "scientists" are unaware. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Jon Agne via Mercedes Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 2:02 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Jon Agne Subject: Re: [MBZ] Global Warming In MD, Yo

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Correct. Statistics can only predict a “probable” outcome. Only FACTS can prove something. > On Dec 17, 2016, at 7:13 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes > wrote: > > Not when manipulated by a virtuoso. > > Almost nothing that is presented with a statistical analysis is

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Not when manipulated by a virtuoso. Almost nothing that is presented with a statistical analysis is done correctly. Most statistics "prove" nothing. In fact, by definition, statistics can't be used to PROVE anything. Jon Agne via Mercedes December 17, 2016

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HE had READ Huff's little book! Dimitri via Mercedes December 17, 2016 at 5:59 PM Statistics can be manipulated to show anything. Prior to medical school, I did research at the Harvard School of Public Health under the tutelage of one of the most renowned

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Hence my earlier email. It really is easy to spot when they are manipulated to show a certain result. > On Dec 17, 2016, at 6:59 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes > wrote: > > Statistics can be manipulated to show anything. Prior to medical school, I > did research at the

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Statistics can be manipulated to show anything. Prior to medical school, I did research at the Harvard School of Public Health under the tutelage of one of the most renowned epidemiologists in the world. Statistics play a crucial role in the field of epidemiology. He showed me how one can

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And refreezing. it’s the rate of melt and refreeze that we need to be concerned with. > On Dec 17, 2016, at 6:51 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes > wrote: > > The ice caps have been melting since the last ice age. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 17, 2016, at 4:04 PM,

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The ice caps have been melting since the last ice age. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 17, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > wrote: > > The heat is melting the ice caps y'all. > > On Dec 17, 2016 3:17 PM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes"

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I will look it up. I’m always up for a good read, and I am just about finished with this year’s pile of books. > On Dec 17, 2016, at 6:31 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes > wrote: > > It aint what was in your stat text. It is hilarious, but dead serious. It > is one

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One of the good things about studying stats is that you know how they CAN be manipulated, and when to know if they are genuinely presented. > On Dec 17, 2016, at 6:31 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes > wrote: > > It aint what was in your stat text. It is hilarious, but

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It aint what was in your stat text. It is hilarious, but dead serious. It is one book I will never get rid of. Jon Agne via Mercedes December 17, 2016 at 4:01 PM I am sure that it’s a good book. I studied Statistics and Economics at Northwestern. I fully

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I did. Quite a spectacular crash. I heard about the pileup on the radio today, but nothing about how spectacular it was. That is but a drop in the bucket. Albore burns up that much fuel just getting his fat keester off the ground. Rick Knoble via Mercedes

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Craig sez: >Well, I did. It shows a mess on an icy I-95 with a fire and two people >dead. >But, your tying an icy I-95 to global warming brought that subject up for >discussion. Yeah. My bad. I should've made the subject Fire and Ice, or something else. Rick

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I am sure that it’s a good book. I studied Statistics and Economics at Northwestern. I fully understand them. Jon > On Dec 17, 2016, at 3:17 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes > wrote: > > Jon, I know you are a very intelligent guy. Read this book. It is a > classic

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On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 21:01:49 + Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: > ‎Obviously no one watched the video... Well, I did. It shows a mess on an icy I-95 with a fire and two people dead. But, your tying an icy I-95 to global warming brought that subject up for discussion.

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The heat is melting the ice caps y'all. On Dec 17, 2016 3:17 PM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" wrote: > Jon, I know you are a very intelligent guy. Read this book. It is a > classic and was out of print for decades, but within in lies universal > truth, presented in a

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‎Obviously no one watched the video... Rick   ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

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Jon, I know you are a very intelligent guy. Read this book. It is a classic and was out of print for decades, but within in lies universal truth, presented in a humorous way. Now it is back in print again. https://www.amazon.com/How-Lie-Statistics-Darrell-Huff/dp/0393310728 You can read

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On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 14:19:20 -0500 Jon Agne via Mercedes wrote: > https://www.climate-lab-book.ac.uk/2016/spiralling-global-temperatures/ >

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https://www.climate-lab-book.ac.uk/2016/spiralling-global-temperatures/ > On Dec 17, 2016, at 2:04 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes > wrote: > > Albore must be flyin all over. Record cold around

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Albore must be flyin all over. Record cold around here. Record cold all over the norther states. Ice in Maryland! Who'd thunk it? It is 20 years after albore told us we were all gonna melt. WHERE IS THAT HEAT? Rick Knoble via Mercedes December 17, 2016

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Accident in Maryland, yo! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lba_yQHzZCo=em Rick Sent from an outdated phone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

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The prairies also have a LOT more trees than they did before the invasion of the white man. This is mostly due to the control and attempted elimination of wild fires. On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 8:20 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: snip The state of Maine has more forest now than it

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We have planted over 6000 trees in the last 12 years foresting around 10 acres. More recently mother nature does a better job filling in my fields than we can so I just use the mower to thin out the 9' rows between trees. The state of Maine has more forest now than it did between the two world

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Nice trees or scraggly shrubby ones? On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 12:00 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: The prairies also have a LOT more trees than they did before the invasion of the white man. This is mostly due to the control and attempted elimination of wild fires. On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at

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Mostly Eastern Red Cedar (they almost explode in a fire) and Black Jack Oak around here. No, not pretty trees, but they do shelter the soil from the wind and provide shade, etc. On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Nice trees or scraggly shrubby ones?

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Like these guys? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3017373/Obama-loses-footing-getting-Air-Force-One-weekend-golf-getaway-Florida-played-donor-friends-sports-franchise-owners.html The president's Sunday also featured a golf game with Houston Astros owner Jim Crane, who is a major

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In the real world, big oil and coal hire scientists to promote views that serves the economic interests of the polluting industries. Nothing wrong with that, provided you see it for the BS that it is. On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 11:47 PM, Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Andrew sez: It's

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Andrew sez: In the real world, big goobermnt and big enviro hire scientists to promote views that serves the economic interests of the big goobermnt and enviro industries. If real data does not support these views, they make up the data and distort computer models to prove their position.

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The commoners in this case are the oil and coal companies. Does that make sense? On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 12:14 PM, Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com wrote: What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Oops! Sorry, the liberal hypocrisy is showing again. Liberals and liberal groups

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What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Oops! Sorry, the liberal hypocrisy is showing again. Liberals and liberal groups (goobermnt) are not subject to the laws that apply to the commoners. Wasn't there a war once that had something to do with kings and commoners? Not even

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Sorry, but it's not a liberal trait - it is shared by both ends of the political spectrum. Power corrupts . . . On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com wrote: What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Oops! Sorry, the liberal hypocrisy is showing again.

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Andrew asked: If Al Gore hitchhiked instead of flying in a jet would you then acknowledge that climate change was real and man-made? Of course not. There is no connection between Gore's behavior and the validity of a theory about a cause and effect relationship between use of fossil fuels and

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All of those geologic changes took eons; the current trends are historical. Connect the dots - they coincide with a huge boost in CO2 emissions. I speak as a geologist, btw. Yes, there are natural, transitory events that may overshadow man's contributions to the atmosphere, e.g. Krakatoa, but

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Not even close. On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Andrew sez: In the real world, big goobermnt and big enviro hire scientists to promote views that serves the economic interests of the big goobermnt and enviro industries. If real data does not support

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Peter wrote: The original Easter Deciduous Forest was more or less undamaged by fire -- trees averaged 90 foot to the canopy and it was closed in most places, so a fire in the duff didn't bother the trees much if at all. That is what I saw in Oregon driving home with Gay Larry's 240D on US20.

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If Al Gore hitchhiked instead of flying in a jet would you then acknowledge that climate change was real and man-made? It would only mean that albore is not so much a hypocrite. It does not change the facts of temperature, or manufactured data or flawed computer models.

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If Al Gore hitchhiked instead of flying in a jet would you then acknowledge that climate change was real and man-made? On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 9:55 PM, Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Scott Richey sez: Or, we can look at it from the other side. Exactly how low is the standard of

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It's much more comforting to rely on the best data money can buy. On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 11:14 PM, Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com wrote: If Al Gore hitchhiked instead of flying in a jet would you then acknowledge that climate change was real and man-made? It would only mean that albore

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Or, we can look at it from the other side. Exactly how low is the standard of living will we (specifically, you) accept? If we all gave up cars, heated buildings, electricity, etc. the coal and oil companies would quickly disappear. Of course out life expectancy would be cut in half and that

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Andrew sez: It's much more comforting to rely on the best data money can buy. IT is true, that those who surround themselves with the best data money can buy and yesmen and devoted followers are comforted in their cocoon. However that is not reality. In the real world, honest people tell

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Rick wrote: I would suspect they get a tax incentive for solar. Not so much for trees. Solar 1, Trees 0. I also like the article you put up a couple weeks ago from Michael Crichton: http://www.michaelcrichton.net/essay-stateoffear-whypoliticizedscienceisdangerous.html Who is Michael Crichton?

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In other words, do anything to keep the oil and coal companies in business On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 10:39 AM, Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com wrote: One of the subjects grossly overlooked in the global warming debate is deforestation. All that coal we are burning started out as forest,

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In the US I am in possession of knowledge that says there are more trees now than before the European invaders arrived. And apparently the pre-European-invader indigenous peoples were fairly indiscriminate about burning down huge forests for hunting or whatever reasons. Around my parts trees

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Mr. McC wrote:-Go out and plant trees. That reduces the co2.Bonus points if you plant and water in the desert. Best idea that I have heard in many a day.In the '60s the Israelis started a program to reclaim the deserts with a fairly simple system of keeping the soil where it was by coating

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Mr. McC wrote:-Go out and plant trees. That reduces the co2.Bonus points if you plant and water in the desert. Best idea that I have heard in many a day.In the '60s the Israelis started a program to reclaim the deserts with a fairly simple system of keeping the soil where it was by coating it

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One of the subjects grossly overlooked in the global warming debate is deforestation. All that coal we are burning started out as forest, after all -- you can find the trees in it when they get fossilized into coal balls of calcium carbonate instead of compressed into coal. Deforestation

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In the US I am in possession of knowledge that says there are more trees now than before the European invaders arrived. And apparently the pre-European-invader indigenous peoples were fairly indiscriminate about burning down huge forests for hunting or whatever reasons. Around my parts trees

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: Sunday, March 29, 2015 6:02 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Global warming? No, Global ice age. Rick wrote: I would suspect they get a tax incentive for solar. Not so much for trees. Solar 1, Trees 0. I also like the article you put up a couple weeks ago from Michael Crichton

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Scott Richey sez: Or, we can look at it from the other side. Exactly how low is the standard of living will we (specifically, you) accept? If we all gave up cars, heated buildings, electricity, etc. the coal and oil companies would quickly disappear. Of course out life expectancy would be

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‎Peter wrote: One of the subjects grossly overlooked in the global warming debate is   deforestation. http://www.nj.com/ocean/index.ssf/2015/03/great_adventure_going_solar_report_says.html I would suspect they get a tax incentive for solar. Not so much for trees. Solar 1, Trees 0.  Rick Sent

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You obviously have not flown over the eastern half of the country in a while. Initial reports were that a squirrel could travel from St. Louis to Boston without touching the ground, and I personally don't find that hard to believe. Approximately 80% of the initial forest has been

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Andrew sez: The concern is that warming of the polar regions is causing the ice caps to melt and sea level to relentlessly rise, all because of growing CO2 emissions from industrial sources world wide. The solution is simple. Plant more trees. Water the great deserts, grow trees and food,

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I have always enjoyed George Carlin's take on it.  http://youtu.be/BB0aFPXr4n4 Interesting little video. http://youtu.be/nq4Bc2WCsdE I think Gerry posted this the other day.  http://youtu.be/SyUDGfCNC-k A satirical look.  http://youtu.be/qldJRY5aGaA http://youtu.be/3IQIcNeKJL8 Rick Sent

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Rich.. I like how you think... seems you have true management potential for this study.. Please write your self in.. ;)) Grant... On Sat, Mar 7, 2015 at 6:41 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: We'll need a coupla G-5s at our disposal to fly to international conferences

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We'll need a coupla G-5s at our disposal to fly to international conferences in nice places too, and plenty of good food and drink to facilitate the discussions. The accommodations must be top-shelf as well, we need our rest. We can ask Bill Clinton to be on the board, he can provide

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It is too simple -- the greenhouse effect of carbon dioxide is that it absorbs some wavelengths of IR and not others, so that heat from the sun is trapped when IR radiation passes through the carbon dioxide and heats the earth while re-radiated heat, at a different wavelength, is absorbed

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Several years ago, I read articles about the magnetic poles flipping.  The article described how the Earth's magnetic fields will weaken in areas allowing the Sun's radiation to get through more strongly causing more skin cancer cases.  I'm not a scientist, but I wonder if any of this is

[MBZ] Global warming? No, Global ice age.

80-yr-old Weather Channel Founder Explains the History of the Global Warming Fraud John Coleman, 80-year-old award-winning meteorologist and founder of the Weather Channel explains the history of the global warming fraud. “Politics had gotten in the way of the science.” Coleman explains that

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Peter wrote: Methane has stronger absorbance at similar wavelengths than carbon dioxide and is a stronger greenhouse gas. Water vapor is even stronger - way stronger. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

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Grant wrote: $20.000.000.000 has a nice ring to it.. Yeah. The same amount from fedgov certainly changed the computer industry 35 years ago. Fedgov does not invent or discover anything. ...or do they... mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list

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Great video! Followed the link at the end to KUSI website for Coleman's Corner, which apparently no longer exists there. However I did find a letter from a physicist explaining how increasing CO2 cannot cause any warming. Very briefly and simplifying, CO2 absorbs radiation from the sun at

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And the warmists take the Alinski Rules for Radicals approach, so it sorta balances out. BTW RfR is actually quite interesting, and can work either way, depending on what root you are growing from. The whole idea is to deflect from the facts of the matter at hand, and take shots at the

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Craig, I'd like to hear your thoughts on the physics discussed in this letter, and also if you can find out if the author is who he says he is: http://www.kusi.com/story/19600263/why-man-made-global-warming-is-ridiculous This explanation seems too simple. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD

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I'm not taking sides here, but I thought I would share an interesting story on All Things Considered this afternoon. They interviewed a director who recently made a film about both sides of this issue, and how each one tried to promote their side. The most interesting part (I thought) was the

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However I did find a letter from a physicist explaining how increasing CO2 cannot cause any warming. Very briefly and simplifying, CO2 absorbs radiation from the sun at the 15 micron wavelength (infrared). All of that radiation is absorbed in the upper atmosphere. None reaches the surface.

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To: arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 3:27 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Global warming? No, Global ice age. I'm no climatologist, but in light of the past couple of winters, I simply cannot buy global warming

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. Snowmobilers tend to remember snow patterns... -Curt From: dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 3:27 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Global warming? No, Global

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John Coleman says no to human induced global warming! http://conservativepost.com/80-yr-old-weather-channel-founder-explains-the-history-of-the-global-warming-fraud/ Michael E. Esh me...@horizonenv.com michael...@mac.com http://www.yugster.com/invite/138123 (C) 231.286.2344 On Mar 06, 2015,

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... -Curt From: dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 3:27 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Global warming? No, Global ice age. I'm no climatologist

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Yeahbut, There is no land under the north pole so it's just ice floating on water. So even if it all melted it would not change sea level at all. Floating objects displace their own weight of water. The ice shelf at the south pole (which is land) is increasing, which would make sea level go

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And melting the Greenland icecap'll make it go up. Wilton - Original Message - From: Scott Ritchey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Global warming? No, Global ice age

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I'm no climatologist, but in light of the past couple of winters, I simply cannot buy global warming. Nobody is going to convince me that red is green or that cold is hot. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 5, 2015, at 7:04 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The “brutal”

[MBZ] Global warming? No, Global ice age.

The “brutal” winter is on the attack again, bringing sleet and heavy snow to the mid-Atlantic region. Previous storms targeted the deep south including Dallas, Texas, and several hammered New England. By March 4, Boston was just 2 inches away from hitting an all-time record for snow,

Re: [MBZ] Global warming? No, Global ice age.

Hey guess what - UT and ID are having a record warm winter with way too little snow. It all balances out. On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 7:04 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The “brutal” winter is on the attack again, bringing sleet and heavy snow to the mid-Atlantic

Re: [MBZ] Global warming? No, Global ice age.

The brutal winter is on the attack again, bringing sleet and heavy snow to the mid-Atlantic region. Previous storms targeted the deep south including Dallas, Texas, and several hammered New England. By March 4, Boston was just 2 inches away from hitting an all-time record for snow, Boston.com

Re: [MBZ] Global warming? No, Global ice age.

The brutal winter is on the attack again, bringing sleet and heavy snow to the mid-Atlantic region. Previous storms targeted the deep south including Dallas, Texas, and several hammered New England. By March 4, Boston was just 2 inches away from hitting an all-time record for snow, Boston.com

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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] global warming Message-ID: f11ffb6e-ca12-4c48-8c0f-ff86ed4b6...@me.com Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII And let's not forget about the waste vegetable oil users. A small percentage of the whole and if done correctly, a safe

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value 10-20%. -Curt Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 20:09:35 -0500 From: Mike Esh michael...@me.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] global warming Message-ID: f11ffb6e-ca12-4c48-8c0f-ff86ed4b6...@me.com Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII And let's

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I like the depolimerization [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_depolymerization] process for providing solutions to feedstock and recycling/reuse of our waste streams. Right now we have to sort and wash and jump through hoops to get our waste on the street corner for pick up. Long lists of

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] global warming There is plenty of vegetable oil in the world. Palm oil is one that's available in the billions of gallons in nature [think palm trees in third world countries]. The issue is how do you collect and process it to bring it to market in USA or Europe. Same issues

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...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of clay monroe Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 12:33 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] global warming I like the depolimerization [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_depolymerization] process for providing solutions to feedstock and recycling/reuse

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Dimitri wrote: I use biodiesel here and there in varying concentrations up to 100%. I've been using it for years. I never once had a problem with the stuff. I'd use it a lot more if I had a conveniently located filling station! Yep - the only fuel available here at the truck stop is 11 or

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Mountain Man wrote: Yep - the only fuel available here at the truck stop is 11 or 20 percent. Why is it that the diesel fuel conditioner anti-gel requires twice the recommended dose for bio-diesel? The anti-gel gets expensive at that dosing. Because Bio-D, especially Soy-D, has a much higher

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Mitch wrote: Because Bio-D, especially Soy-D, has a much higher pour point than D2. It seems the maker should reformulate since most diesel is bio today. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

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Huh? Most diesel is biodiesel today? I wish! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 7, 2011, at 7:57 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Mitch wrote: Because Bio-D, especially Soy-D, has a much higher pour point than D2. It seems the maker should reformulate since most diesel is bio today. mao

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This tread is going to make it. i.e longest and mainly: most useless. Never seen that much extensive and ignorant reading material. Go to Alaska, live in your igloo, live on baby seals and call me on your i-phone I still think that topping of your oil with recycled petroleum waste (Dino oil) and

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With bio-diesel you are stuck with whatever fatty acids are present in the parent oil. Bio-D is really methyl or ethyl esters of fatty acids (the ethyl or methyl group replaces the glycerol in the fat or oil), and they crystallize at much higher temps than diesel fuel. If you start

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Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com writes: It seems the maker should reformulate since most diesel is bio today. Not around here. I think there is one place in the county that sells it and it is B1 or B2 (1% or 2% bio, basically it's conventional diesel). Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD

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With bio-diesel you are stuck with whatever fatty acids are present in the parent oil. Bio-D is really methyl or ethyl esters of fatty acids (the ethyl or methyl group replaces the glycerol in the fat or oil), and they crystallize at much higher temps than diesel fuel. Peter As a rule of

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I remember a cold morning years ago when I poured a clouded up slurry of biodiesel into my 220D. The thing ran just fine! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 7, 2011, at 10:04 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: With bio-diesel you are stuck with whatever fatty acids are present in the parent

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Has anyone read an analysis of how bio-Diesel stacks up? Economically? Energy efficiency (BTU to produce vs BTU produced)? Comparison to other solar methods? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

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Very complex question. Bio-Diesel can be made from almost any vegetable oil, and all vegetables have oil. Each vegetable oil source has a different energy cost to cultivate, harvest, and rate of return [ie. pounds of oil v pounds of plant product]. Cost to produce feed stock oil for one vegetable

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G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com writes: Comparison with solar methods? Not an apples to apples comparison. Two different sides of the alternate energy basket. Solar to electric power vs Bio-Diesel to BTU doesn't translate. [or maybe I slept through that class in college] I think in a sense that

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As a pragmatist, when someone says we should eliminate man-made earth and air pollution because it causes global warming I ask them how.. How do we persuade the power companies that have built, or are building, something like 30 dirty coal-fired power plants in the U.S. over the past

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coffee-drink production and from algae. Neither is a perfect solution but the results sound hopeful. -Curt Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 12:05:29 -0500 From: Scott and Gwen Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] global warming Message-ID

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. Sugar beets grow well in northern Maine, theres lots of fallow farmland in northern Maine, it'd be nice to see ethanol made from sugar beets... -Curt Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 10:57:22 -0700 From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] global

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