Re: [MBZ] OT another sort of metal working question
Ya'll probably know this but when working with lead - melting it, etc - be very careful of the fumes - they are toxic and can cause liver and other damage... LarryT 91 300D On 6/5/2015 11:32 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: JB Weld was my thought as well - but use it instead of the lead, not to seal the end before pouring lead. On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 5:43 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Jb weld? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT another sort of metal working question
These last few days I drove up to DC from SC, collected the boy and his impedimenta, and hauled it all up to Providence RI then drove back. It has been some time since I have been up that way, most everything from DC north, hell, Richmond (the capital of the Confederacy) north is pretty much intolerable, even VA has become a total nanny state (and my wife's liberal cousin is gubna now). Traffic is horrible, the roads are beat to hell, expensive tolls every 3 miles, people are rude and inconsiderate and discourteous, weather was not pleasant... I got my fill. I tell you what, when I crossed back into SC at SOTB, even though the roads here are beat to hell too, I was Very Happy. And a gallon of gas was $0.30 cheaper (which is why the roads here are beat to hell, but whatever...). Time to go throw some ribs on the smoke... --R On 6/6/15 11:19 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: Hahahahahha you think? Ok, OK.. so I have both OCD and ADD ... Everything has to be EXACTLY perfect... but only for a little while... I've actually come to accept that Andrew and I will never agree. It's OK, I can respect that. It is just environmental damage from having to live in the DC climate. On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 8:12 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Andrew would disagree --R On 6/6/15 11:04 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: I've been melting and recasting wheel weight lead for the last 35 years and making lead shot for skeet shooting reloads, and lead bullets. Likely have handled several tons over the years. No ill effects to date. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT another sort of metal working question
Hahahahahha you think? Ok, OK.. so I have both OCD and ADD ... Everything has to be EXACTLY perfect... but only for a little while... I've actually come to accept that Andrew and I will never agree. It's OK, I can respect that. It is just environmental damage from having to live in the DC climate. On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 8:12 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Andrew would disagree --R On 6/6/15 11:04 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: I've been melting and recasting wheel weight lead for the last 35 years and making lead shot for skeet shooting reloads, and lead bullets. Likely have handled several tons over the years. No ill effects to date. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT another sort of metal working question
Yes, however, it's a slow death and you go insane first. Since you drive and work on antique [by modern standards] Mercedes, no one will notice. ;)) Work in a ventilated area, use a clay dam to keep the lead from pouring through, and only heat the lead pot to the liquid lead pour point, preheat the joint to get better contact adheasion. You should be good to go. I've been melting and recasting wheel weight lead for the last 35 years and making lead shot for skeet shooting reloads, and lead bullets. Likely have handled several tons over the years. No ill effects to date. I do however resist the urge to ever lick lead bars or breath the fumes. To date, I can report I've been healthy. I doubt you can ingest enough lead in a single use event to cause a medical issue.. unless, of course, you live in California, where every substance touched by man has some ill effect. On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 4:49 AM, LarryT via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Ya'll probably know this but when working with lead - melting it, etc - be very careful of the fumes - they are toxic and can cause liver and other damage... LarryT 91 300D On 6/5/2015 11:32 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: JB Weld was my thought as well - but use it instead of the lead, not to seal the end before pouring lead. On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 5:43 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Jb weld? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT another sort of metal working question
Andrew would disagree --R On 6/6/15 11:04 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: I've been melting and recasting wheel weight lead for the last 35 years and making lead shot for skeet shooting reloads, and lead bullets. Likely have handled several tons over the years. No ill effects to date. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT another sort of metal working question
I got myself into a project that I should have walked away from but since I am into it, I am not giving it up. I did offer it up for sale or trade but no one came looking so maybe they were smarter than me. Time will tell. I bought, for little money, an antique woodworking multi-machine. It had a 12 table saw intending mostly for ripping, an 8 jointer and a 22 band saw in one machine. It is old enough to be flat belt so pretty old. I decided that the band saw was the only desirable part so I dismantled it to the point where I have only the band saw left on the frame. I then wanted to cut the frame down to a smaller size. If my memory is reasonably accurate, the frame will end up about 24 square. The frame has 2 cast end frames and pipes that join the two ends. The pipes go through holes in the end frames. They are held in place by set screws in the end frames and by lead melted in to the frame to fill any voids around the pipe. I melted the lead out of the holes on the one frame with a propane torch so that I could remove the one end frame. Then cut the pipes down by a foot or more to make a more compact frame unit. There are 4 pipes through the end frame sides and 2 angle iron pieces on the top. My issue now, is that I want to refill the voids with melted lead. I tipped the unit on end so that the parts I wanted to melt into were down. I clamped a piece of plywood on the end of the one spot and melted solder into the gap between the pipe and the frame. Not a large gap. Probably 1/8th at the widest. Unfortunately, it did not work out well. I need some means of plugging the end better. The plywood did not fit tight to the pipe end - only to the frame end. The solder went into the end of the pipe and when it had burned the plywood enough to make a hole, flowed out. I ended up with a bit of a lead plug that fell out of the end of the pipe when I removed the plywood. I can use a piece of steel in place of the plywood so that it will not burn through but I need some means of plugging the end of the pipe so that the solder will just fill the void around the pipe. Any great ideas? Muffler cement?? RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT another sort of metal working question
Clay will work. It's what the old plumbers used to use back in the day. You pack the joint from one end with clay, run lead with tin content to make it stick to the cast steel, then chip the clay out and run the back side with lead with tin. you then have a complete joint. Take care using to much heat, the old guys used a blow torch to do the work and temps were likely lower than modern propane torches. On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 12:44 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I got myself into a project that I should have walked away from but since I am into it, I am not giving it up. I did offer it up for sale or trade but no one came looking so maybe they were smarter than me. Time will tell. I bought, for little money, an antique woodworking multi-machine. It had a 12 table saw intending mostly for ripping, an 8 jointer and a 22 band saw in one machine. It is old enough to be flat belt so pretty old. I decided that the band saw was the only desirable part so I dismantled it to the point where I have only the band saw left on the frame. I then wanted to cut the frame down to a smaller size. If my memory is reasonably accurate, the frame will end up about 24 square. The frame has 2 cast end frames and pipes that join the two ends. The pipes go through holes in the end frames. They are held in place by set screws in the end frames and by lead melted in to the frame to fill any voids around the pipe. I melted the lead out of the holes on the one frame with a propane torch so that I could remove the one end frame. Then cut the pipes down by a foot or more to make a more compact frame unit. There are 4 pipes through the end frame sides and 2 angle iron pieces on the top. My issue now, is that I want to refill the voids with melted lead. I tipped the unit on end so that the parts I wanted to melt into were down. I clamped a piece of plywood on the end of the one spot and melted solder into the gap between the pipe and the frame. Not a large gap. Probably 1/8th at the widest. Unfortunately, it did not work out well. I need some means of plugging the end better. The plywood did not fit tight to the pipe end - only to the frame end. The solder went into the end of the pipe and when it had burned the plywood enough to make a hole, flowed out. I ended up with a bit of a lead plug that fell out of the end of the pipe when I removed the plywood. I can use a piece of steel in place of the plywood so that it will not burn through but I need some means of plugging the end of the pipe so that the solder will just fill the void around the pipe. Any great ideas? Muffler cement?? RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT another sort of metal working question
Jb weld? Sent from my iPhone On Jun 5, 2015, at 3:44 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I got myself into a project that I should have walked away from but since I am into it, I am not giving it up. I did offer it up for sale or trade but no one came looking so maybe they were smarter than me. Time will tell. I bought, for little money, an antique woodworking multi-machine. It had a 12 table saw intending mostly for ripping, an 8 jointer and a 22 band saw in one machine. It is old enough to be flat belt so pretty old. I decided that the band saw was the only desirable part so I dismantled it to the point where I have only the band saw left on the frame. I then wanted to cut the frame down to a smaller size. If my memory is reasonably accurate, the frame will end up about 24 square. The frame has 2 cast end frames and pipes that join the two ends. The pipes go through holes in the end frames. They are held in place by set screws in the end frames and by lead melted in to the frame to fill any voids around the pipe. I melted the lead out of the holes on the one frame with a propane torch so that I could remove the one end frame. Then cut the pipes down by a foot or more to make a more compact frame unit. There are 4 pipes through the end frame sides and 2 angle iron pieces on the top. My issue now, is that I want to refill the voids with melted lead. I tipped the unit on end so that the parts I wanted to melt into were down. I clamped a piece of plywood on the end of the one spot and melted solder into the gap between the pipe and the frame. Not a large gap. Probably 1/8th at the widest. Unfortunately, it did not work out well. I need some means of plugging the end better. The plywood did not fit tight to the pipe end - only to the frame end. The solder went into the end of the pipe and when it had burned the plywood enough to make a hole, flowed out. I ended up with a bit of a lead plug that fell out of the end of the pipe when I removed the plywood. I can use a piece of steel in place of the plywood so that it will not burn through but I need some means of plugging the end of the pipe so that the solder will just fill the void around the pipe. Any great ideas? Muffler cement?? RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT another sort of metal working question
JB Weld was my thought as well - but use it instead of the lead, not to seal the end before pouring lead. On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 5:43 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Jb weld? -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
